Must Recruit Two of These

[WilliamPowell]

Just another thing WAT, you seem to think we are somehow close to winning a flag within the next 1-2 seasons?

Is that why you want to top up with established players?

Last time the RFC did that after they thought they were close to a flag and we were nowhere near it, topping up set us back another decade to where we are now   

[tony_montana]

Yep he has but hes grown a fair bit by all reports so as he gets older and fills out, more than likely hell be a KPP that can offer plenty of run. Wont be a midfielder like it was proposed when first drafted imo

[WilliamPowell]

Fair call

I just think McIntosh at 19 offers us more long term than taking on Thomas with his dodgy ankle at mega $$$, would think Thomas would be looking at $700-$800k as season to leave the Pies

And it is a McIntosh, Helbig, Arnot or even a Conca missing out if we bring in someone like Thomas. That's why I am against it

[tony_montana]

Agree I wouldnt go for thomas either was just being pedantic  but I would have a serious crack at spud and leuey as they will still be at their peak when chaps and Maric are winding down and mcbean mcintosh are starting to be physically ready. Fits in well from a list management perspective imo

[Rampstar]

there are people on forums suggesting that we dont rate this draft and will be trading out our picks. dont like it if its true. we should always keep our top 2 picks in any draft.

[Coach]

It would be irresponsible not to look at free agents because we hope Darrou, Mcintosh, McBean etc become good players. I would rather recruit good players that walk into our 22, delist duds and keep our good kids. If they're good enough they will get a game. If they're not, they won't. The worst thing is when you have poor players playing senior football while a good kid is at Coburg. If it's a good player keeping a kid out then that's good for the kid and good for the club.

[1965]

It would be irresponsible not to look at free agents because we hope Darrou, Mcintosh, McBean etc become good players. I would rather recruit good players that walk into our 22, delist duds and keep our good kids. If they're good enough they will get a game. If they're not, they won't. The worst thing is when you have poor players playing senior football while a good kid is at Coburg. If it's a good player keeping a kid out then that's good for the kid and good for the club.

Coach making sense.

 

[big tone]

How far off are the players you mentioned, McBean, Elton, McIntosh etc, will try make it?? With ready players you know what you have got until the mentioned players make it.........or not.

Well seeing alot of folks who have been watching Coburg are already saying McBean should get a game I reckon he's close. Elton is in 2nd season and McIntosh his first both are chances for AFL games this year. We also have Arnot who should have got a game this week ahead of Lonergan this week IMHO so he is close as well. Darrou has been solid, ditto McDonough. Helbig is also running around for Coburg and he really hasn't a chance to show us what he really offers more because of injury.

We have kids who are ready whether they make it we won't know unless we play them. But as I said would rather stick with them and continue to build around our current core and these kids than go after multiple free agents

And BTW the 3 players you mentioned how exactly do you plan on fitting them in under the salary cap? When we have Cotchin, Lids, Martin, Reiwoldt, and a few others take a fair whack of our cap. Not one of them will come cheap except of Watts who should pay his club for being on a list  . Thomas will demand massive $$ and so will Leunenberger. Thomas is not going to leave the Pies for less than what he is on now so are we supposed to bring him in as our highest paid player?

The RFC is building something and we need to be very careful not ruin that by bringing in blokes on huge money at the expense of those who have committed to us at less than they could have got on the open market eg Lids

You are a good tiger man WP but you seriously live in fairy land.
The thing about FA is it is a free whack! They dont cost you a draft pick, so you can still draft and develop young talent and all you have to do is find the money for them. (EG get rid of Jackson and McGaune and you can have a Frawley, get rid of Nahas, White and Astbury and you have a Leunenberger) Leaving more spots on the list for young kids.
Saying you will back in our young kids is honorable but the facts are it hasn't worked for 30 years. Are you happy to just cross your fingers and hope for the best? Now I'm not taking about bringing  in the Grigg, Houli types, I'm taking about A grade talent.
If you think Astbury, Dea, Batchelor, Griffiths, Helbig, O'Hanlon, Darrou, Verrier or Gideon are taking us to premiership glory then you are confussed.
Does it really matter where we get players that are actually going to take us somewhere.
The way we have drafted over the last 30 years we bring in one player a year that might make a difference. And the key word there was MIGHT.
Tigers, go get quality players to give the good players we have a chance to become premiership players.
This club has been pathetic for to long.
Grow some balls and stop leaving it to chance!!

[Owl]

..serious question here Big Tone, is confussed a fusion of confused and concussed ?  I think it is important to the gist of the post.

[dwaino]

..serious question here Big Tone, is confussed a fusion of confused and concussed ?  I think it is important to the gist of the post.

I think I like this word. But will it count in Scrabble?

[tigs2011]

..serious question here Big Tone, is confussed a fusion of confused and concussed ?  I think it is important to the gist of the post.

I think I like this word. But will it count in Scrabble?

I hope so. Gunna try it at my weekly scrabble night tomorrow night. And yes scrabble night takes priority over Saturday night RFC games. 

[WA Tiger]

It would be irresponsible not to look at free agents because we hope Darrou, Mcintosh, McBean etc become good players. I would rather recruit good players that walk into our 22, delist duds and keep our good kids. If they're good enough they will get a game. If they're not, they won't. The worst thing is when you have poor players playing senior football while a good kid is at Coburg. If it's a good player keeping a kid out then that's good for the kid and good for the club.

I have what Coach is having!! , exactly!

[WA Tiger]

Just another thing WAT, you seem to think we are somehow close to winning a flag within the next 1-2 seasons?

Is that why you want to top up with established players?

Last time the RFC did that after they thought they were close to a flag and we were nowhere near it, topping up set us back another decade to where we are now   

If we are not up in the GF contention talks in two year WP will we ever be mate?

[tigs2011]

It would be irresponsible not to look at free agents because we hope Darrou, Mcintosh, McBean etc become good players. I would rather recruit good players that walk into our 22, delist duds and keep our good kids. If they're good enough they will get a game. If they're not, they won't. The worst thing is when you have poor players playing senior football while a good kid is at Coburg. If it's a good player keeping a kid out then that's good for the kid and good for the club.

The Coach has spoken. 

[WilliamPowell]

It would be irresponsible not to look at free agents because we hope Darrou, Mcintosh, McBean etc become good players. I would rather recruit good players that walk into our 22, delist duds and keep our good kids. If they're good enough they will get a game. If they're not, they won't. The worst thing is when you have poor players playing senior football while a good kid is at Coburg. If it's a good player keeping a kid out then that's good for the kid and good for the club.

Actually agree with you Coach

But the problem is as we all know the duds don't get de-listed we keep them and we cast off kids who haven't been given an opportunity. Kids ripping it up at Coubrg are getting an opportunity now when they should be so what hope do they have if bring in multiple Free Agents on massive money

BTW I am not saying don't go after Free Agents, we've done well with it so far.

What I don't want to see us going into bidding wars and playing overs for blokes who are not or may not be wothh it.

You are a good tiger man WP but you seriously live in fairy land.
The thing about FA is it is a free whack! They dont cost you a draft pick, so you can still draft and develop young talent and all you have to do is find the money for them. (EG get rid of Jackson and McGaune and you can have a Frawley, get rid of Nahas, White and Astbury and you have a Leunenberger) Leaving more spots on the list for young kids.

But big tone you like Coach have hightlighted part of the issue we as a club have. Your simple solutuion is to get rid of the "duds, list cloggers" or whatever you want to call them. Our problem is we don't git rid of them, just look at who's still there that shouldn't be, we flick kids rather than those who have had more chances than I've had meat pies

You also said all we have to do is find the money to lure this "big fish", where do we find it? How do we find it outside trading away a gun player? Which me ask how is FA a free "whack" if you have trade away an A grader to make room for them?

Sorry but I don't think Thomas is not worth $700k a year and neither is Leunenberger IMO and to get him that's the sort of $$$ it will take = big $$$.

If we are not up in the GF contention talks in two year WP will we ever be mate?

WAT our first goal must be to get to finals and stay there for an extended period of time. I don't want one finals series and disappear for another decade because the Club thinks we are closer than what we are. Reality is the longer you are in the finals race the more chance you have of winning the big one.

I would think by the end of 2014 our window will be wide open for the next 5 if we recruit, develop and continue with a program that has players wanting to be part of our success rather than having blokes lobbing on the doorstep only because Punt Road is the place where they can earn the highest quid