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Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2013, 10:01:02 PM »
too much emphasis on getting in recycleds for my liking. Give me another young player like Vlastuin thanks infact if we can get 2 out of the draft then thats a great result. As for the free agency types and trade types Id only be looking at some of the quality youngsters at GWS and GCS who arent getting big opportunities.

Agree, how many teams get big name players then go on to be ultra successful?
I guess Sydney did get Morton  :shh

Sydney are very good at it, very very good at it.  Half their team is recycled and they win premierships.  I really admire their recruiting dept, AAA+

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Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2013, 10:20:31 PM »
Morton is not a bad player. A good team can afford that type if you got guns elsewhere.

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Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2013, 11:18:08 PM »
As previously discussed we need at least two to three more KPP'S to take the next step, the next big step IMO and I am talking the GF....

Matthew Leuenberger (Brisbane), Dale Thomas (Collingwood), Jack Watts (Melbourne) are three that would fit in for mine. We need to stop stuffing around and go for gun players and players the we can use and turnaround......we must get serious during free agency!!

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Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2013, 12:20:06 AM »
too much emphasis on getting in recycleds for my liking. Give me another young player like Vlastuin thanks infact if we can get 2 out of the draft then thats a great result. As for the free agency types and trade types Id only be looking at some of the quality youngsters at GWS and GCS who arent getting big opportunities.

Agree, how many teams get big name players then go on to be ultra successful?
I guess Sydney did get Morton  :shh

Sydney topped up with Hall in '02 and Jolly in '05 and won a flag in '05.
West Coast topped up with Chick in '03 and Stenglein in '05 and won a flag in '06.
Geelong topped up with Ottens in '05 and won a flag in '07.
Hawthorn topped up with Guerra in '06 and Dew in '08 and won a flag in '08.
Collingwood topped up with Brown in '09 and Jolly and Ball in '10 and won a flag in '10.
Sydney topped up with Mumford and Kennedy in '10 and won a flag '12.

That's 6 in recent times and to me that would suggest it's actually a smart way to top your side off.  Get Leuenberger and Frawley and plug our 2 biggest remaining deficiencies.

Agree, all the good sides do it yet Richmond are not and as always are behind the eight ball :banghead :banghead

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Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2013, 12:20:30 AM »
I still believe Jesse White would be a handy trade.

He's a ruck/forward.
He's been in the swans system (great culture) for a while now.
He's 25.
He's not getting senior games due to Mumford, Pike & Goodes.
He's ready to burst.

.... Maybe???
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Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #50 on: May 24, 2013, 12:24:13 AM »
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Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #51 on: May 24, 2013, 12:34:02 AM »
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Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #52 on: May 24, 2013, 12:35:17 AM »
Isn't Frawley signed onto the demons until end of 2014.

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« Reply #53 on: May 24, 2013, 12:50:59 AM »
Isn't Frawley signed onto the demons until end of 2014.
Yer but becomes a FA then. He apparently wants out and Dees may try to get something good now rather than the poo dished out by the AFL.

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Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2013, 08:08:40 AM »
Wouldn't risk taking Thomas, that ankle injury is a nasty one. No guarantees he will come back from it and be the player he was

Wouldn't consider Watts either, he's a floater, shows no desire, agrression, endeavour let alone a killer instinct. Not even sure he has the talent that people keep saying he has. For his size his should be starting to monster pip squeaks but all he does is run around picking up cheap uncontested possessions and avoiding contest. Just seems to be happy to float about not worrying about improving.

Leuenberger I believe will stay in Brissie and if he doesn't he will cost plenty you'd need to pay overs and I am not sure we want to be paying overs for him. I'd rather back McBean in to be as good if not better TBBH

So thinking about it here's a thought, why don't we look a drafting some more kids this year and develop them. And while we are developing them in our own VFL team in 2014, we'll start playing some more of the kids we've picked over the last couple of years ...you know McBean (a Leuneberger type), McIntosh (a Thomas type), Darrou (a better option than Watts cos he has aggression) etc.....

Just a thought  ;D

Wow develop our own, there's a new concept .......not, sorry WP, don't agree. Development should be ongoing after the nucleus of a good side has been put together with experienced players as the Cats have done and the Pies have done year after year. Add the Swans to that to, they have perfected it.

We need at least 2-3 very good experienced players to add to what we have so we can build a continuous recruitment process around them based on what you are saying. If we continue with the "develop our own" at this point in time as we have in the past then Deledio, Cothchin, Riewoldt and Martin will be 30 and its all over! Premiership windows are not that long anymore.
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Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2013, 09:21:18 AM »
Wouldn't risk taking Thomas, that ankle injury is a nasty one. No guarantees he will come back from it and be the player he was

Wouldn't consider Watts either, he's a floater, shows no desire, agrression, endeavour let alone a killer instinct. Not even sure he has the talent that people keep saying he has. For his size his should be starting to monster pip squeaks but all he does is run around picking up cheap uncontested possessions and avoiding contest. Just seems to be happy to float about not worrying about improving.

Leuenberger I believe will stay in Brissie and if he doesn't he will cost plenty you'd need to pay overs and I am not sure we want to be paying overs for him. I'd rather back McBean in to be as good if not better TBBH

So thinking about it here's a thought, why don't we look a drafting some more kids this year and develop them. And while we are developing them in our own VFL team in 2014, we'll start playing some more of the kids we've picked over the last couple of years ...you know McBean (a Leuneberger type), McIntosh (a Thomas type), Darrou (a better option than Watts cos he has aggression) etc.....

Just a thought  ;D

Wow develop our own, there's a new concept .......not, sorry WP, don't agree. Development should be ongoing after the nucleus of a good side has been put together with experienced players as the Cats have done and the Pies have done year after year. Add the Swans to that to, they have perfected it.

We need at least 2-3 very good experienced players to add to what we have so we can build a continuous recruitment process around them based on what you are saying. If we continue with the "develop our own" at this point in time as we have in the past then Deledio, Cothchin, Riewoldt and Martin will be 30 and its all over! Premiership windows are not that long anymore.

So you would rather bring in someone else instead of giving opportunities to a McBean, Elton, McIntosh etc?

Because that is what you are suggesting we do because you can't play all off them. Bring in say Leunenberger and you tell me where and when do you play McBean? And if you do play McBean who goes out? Vickery? Maric?

You say by continuing  to develop the kids and bringing them through then our premiership window wont be around and our A Graders will be over 30. Really? Let's look at some of the kids we are currently developing Conca, Vlaustuin, Ellis, I think that shows we can kids coming through and being part of the senior sides is worth doing. They are part of the the present and our future.

You use the Cats as an example and they are the perfect example. They didn't go chasing after multiple free agents last year they took one Rivers and traded for a kid in Caddy. And then they drafteed kids. They take their time to develop them and bring them in when they are ready and they are surrounded by a core of group made up of stars and top line B graders and those kids prosper. And is that core group made up of cast offs and players bought in from other clubs? No - that core group is made of talent that they drafted.  Great example, great model, clearly great footy program

I just don't want to see our club stagnate in development by going after players via F/A. The Geelong model is what I want to see us use as a blueprint and I am prepared to back our kids coming through in getting us to where we want to get to. I am not agaisnt taking a FA to fill a specific need but long term I will back McBean in rather than going after Leunenberger, I'll back McIntosh to develop into Thomas type and I'll even back Ben Griffiths or Ben Elton in over Jack Watts any day of the week
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Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #56 on: May 24, 2013, 11:22:33 AM »
Wouldn't risk taking Thomas, that ankle injury is a nasty one. No guarantees he will come back from it and be the player he was

Wouldn't consider Watts either, he's a floater, shows no desire, agrression, endeavour let alone a killer instinct. Not even sure he has the talent that people keep saying he has. For his size his should be starting to monster pip squeaks but all he does is run around picking up cheap uncontested possessions and avoiding contest. Just seems to be happy to float about not worrying about improving.

Leuenberger I believe will stay in Brissie and if he doesn't he will cost plenty you'd need to pay overs and I am not sure we want to be paying overs for him. I'd rather back McBean in to be as good if not better TBBH

So thinking about it here's a thought, why don't we look a drafting some more kids this year and develop them. And while we are developing them in our own VFL team in 2014, we'll start playing some more of the kids we've picked over the last couple of years ...you know McBean (a Leuneberger type), McIntosh (a Thomas type), Darrou (a better option than Watts cos he has aggression) etc.....

Just a thought  ;D

Wow develop our own, there's a new concept .......not, sorry WP, don't agree. Development should be ongoing after the nucleus of a good side has been put together with experienced players as the Cats have done and the Pies have done year after year. Add the Swans to that to, they have perfected it.

We need at least 2-3 very good experienced players to add to what we have so we can build a continuous recruitment process around them based on what you are saying. If we continue with the "develop our own" at this point in time as we have in the past then Deledio, Cothchin, Riewoldt and Martin will be 30 and its all over! Premiership windows are not that long anymore.

So you would rather bring in someone else instead of giving opportunities to a McBean, Elton, McIntosh etc?

Because that is what you are suggesting we do because you can't play all off them. Bring in say Leunenberger and you tell me where and when do you play McBean? And if you do play McBean who goes out? Vickery? Maric?

You say by continuing  to develop the kids and bringing them through then our premiership window wont be around and our A Graders will be over 30. Really? Let's look at some of the kids we are currently developing Conca, Vlaustuin, Ellis, I think that shows we can kids coming through and being part of the senior sides is worth doing. They are part of the the present and our future.

You use the Cats as an example and they are the perfect example. They didn't go chasing after multiple free agents last year they took one Rivers and traded for a kid in Caddy. And then they drafteed kids. They take their time to develop them and bring them in when they are ready and they are surrounded by a core of group made up of stars and top line B graders and those kids prosper. And is that core group made up of cast offs and players bought in from other clubs? No - that core group is made of talent that they drafted.  Great example, great model, clearly great footy program

I just don't want to see our club stagnate in development by going after players via F/A. The Geelong model is what I want to see us use as a blueprint and I am prepared to back our kids coming through in getting us to where we want to get to. I am not agaisnt taking a FA to fill a specific need but long term I will back McBean in rather than going after Leunenberger, I'll back McIntosh to develop into Thomas type and I'll even back Ben Griffiths or Ben Elton in over Jack Watts any day of the week

How far off are the players you mentioned, McBean, Elton, McIntosh etc, will try make it?? With ready players you know what you have got until the mentioned players make it.........or not.
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Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #57 on: May 24, 2013, 11:30:30 AM »
Mcintosh is nowhere near a similar type to thomas. Mcintosh will be a kpp that can run.

by the time mcbean is ready Maric will be old and ready to be phased out. We dont even know if Vickery will make it. Got to try and bring in one or two high quality players to round us off imo - we can still keep developing our own in the process

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Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #58 on: May 24, 2013, 11:36:58 AM »

How far off are the players you mentioned, McBean, Elton, McIntosh etc, will try make it?? With ready players you know what you have got until the mentioned players make it.........or not.

Well seeing alot of folks who have been watching Coburg are already saying McBean should get a game I reckon he's close. Elton is in 2nd season and McIntosh his first both are chances for AFL games this year. We also have Arnot who should have got a game this week ahead of Lonergan this week IMHO so he is close as well. Darrou has been solid, ditto McDonough. Helbig is also running around for Coburg and he really hasn't a chance to show us what he really offers more because of injury.

We have kids who are ready whether they make it we won't know unless we play them. But as I said would rather stick with them and continue to build around our current core and these kids than go after multiple free agents

And BTW the 3 players you mentioned how exactly do you plan on fitting them in under the salary cap? When we have Cotchin, Lids, Martin, Reiwoldt, and a few others take a fair whack of our cap. Not one of them will come cheap except of Watts who should pay his club for being on a list  ;D. Thomas will demand massive $$ and so will Leunenberger. Thomas is not going to leave the Pies for less than what he is on now so are we supposed to bring him in as our highest paid player?

The RFC is building something and we need to be very careful not ruin that by bringing in blokes on huge money at the expense of those who have committed to us at less than they could have got on the open market eg Lids
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Re: Must Recruit Two of These
« Reply #59 on: May 24, 2013, 11:39:34 AM »
Mcintosh is nowhere near a similar type to thomas. Mcintosh will be a kpp that can run.

by the time mcbean is ready Maric will be old and ready to be phased out. We dont even know if Vickery will make it. Got to try and bring in one or two high quality players to round us off imo - we can still keep developing our own in the process

McIntosh is quick TM, he can play as KPP but also as a sweeper off HB, winger or in the centre like Thomas. He has already played those types of roles, he will be versatile hence why I reckon he can play a Thomas like role if needed
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