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Riewoldt stalls on new deal
Caroline Wilson
The Age
June 17, 2013
Stalled contract talks between Richmond and its gun forward Jack Riewoldt have become a growing concern at the club, with Greater Western Sydney confirming again that Riewoldt remains firmly in its sights.
The unsigned 24-year-old, like teammate Dustin Martin, remains at odds with the club over money.
Riewoldt and Martin head a list of nine big Tiger names coming out of contract at the end of the season.
It was that situation, coupled with a number of financial demands deemed unrealistic by the Tigers' list management team, which recently prompted the club to urge its senior group to consider the collective sacrifice required for September success.
Of the nine, only Brandon Ellis is understood to have come to terms with Richmond. The club is expected to announce in the coming days that it has re-signed the teenaged star for a further two years.
A bid to extend Nick Vlastuin's contract until the end of 2016 is also on the cards.
Tigers football boss Daniel Richardson called a meeting of the senior group before the round-10 game against West Coast in which he and his recruiting boss Blair Hartley addressed the players.
They reportedly reminded the group that successful teams were required to make sacrifices in order to remain together.
Richardson and his team appear determined to end a period of almost two decades in which Richmond, unsuccessful for three decades, has overpaid a small group of stars in order to retain them.
The view from board level down is that Richmond can now offer its players good facilities, big games, quality coaching and player development along with - most significantly - a genuine prospect of playing in finals.
Riewoldt and his new manager Liam Pickering are working to achieve a three-year deal for the dual Coleman medallist, who was praised on Saturday by coach Damien Hardwick as having his most successful season.
With Riewoldt and Richmond significantly apart over the financial size of the contract, GWS chief David Matthews told Fairfax Media that his club was ''super keen'' to look at luring Riewoldt to the Giants.
He said Riewoldt, along with Lance Franklin and the Brisbane Lions' Matthew Leuenberger, remained their most sought-after potential recruits.
Riewoldt already earns more than $500,000 a year and Martin well over $400,000 in deals reached by former manager Ricky Nixon when GWS was in its formation stages.
Martin, now managed by Ralph Carr, is understood to be significantly further apart than Riewoldt in his contractual talks with the club, although both have indicated they want to stay at Richmond.
Reece Conca, Dylan Grimes, Alex Rance, Jake King, Daniel Jackson and Chris Newman are also out of contract at the end of the season.
Former skipper Newman and the club remain mutually keen for the 31-year-old to play on next year. Early last year, Brett Deledio signed a five-year agreement worth close to $3 million.
Richardson, who managed captain Trent Cotchin before replacing Craig Cameron as Richmond's head of football in February, has previously denied the club faced a salary cap squeeze.
The first sign of the harder line on player payments came with Cotchin's new deal, an agreement that was announced late last month with little fanfare given that both parties had hoped for a four-year agreement.
The deal was halved because club and captain could not come to terms over a longer financial deal.
Cotchin told 3AW on Sunday that he was ''backing himself in'' to fulfil his expectations over the next two seasons in a bid to sign a longer deal next time.
It is not known whether the Hartley-Richardson address to the players mentioned the lessons of other clubs but the example of Geelong - where star players have been prepared to sacrifice some individual reward for team success - was not lost on the Tigers, with the team poised to play finals for the first time since 2001 and only the third time since 1982, when it lost the grand final to Carlton.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/riewoldt-stalls-on-new-deal-20130616-2ocic.html
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Must resign Martin priority number 1
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I doubt CC had the balls to force the issue - this will be a true test of "player development" and JRs commitment to the Tiggy cause....
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Interesting read, especially the bit about Cotchin
Good test of how committed this group is to the ethos of sticking to together for success, as per the Geelong model
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we need to let 2 or 3 of these players go so we can overpay for someone like franklin
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https://twitter.com/brendanterry/status/345826802469580800/photo/1
Tiger passion :thumbsup
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this shouldnt even be happening, the club has to stand its ground but in the end, I feel that the club will do the deals, looking at the list - Luke McGuane (300k), Robbie Nahas (250k), Shane Tuck (250k), Lonergan, Stephenson and Derricks (probably 200k) combined could all be either traded or delisted. Thats 1 million dollars that should be taken out of the salary cap at the end of the year. I dont think we will target a free agent this year but we will probably bring in 5 or 6 players via the draft which would cost about 400k in total. Thats 600k freed up and that should be enough to keep all the players. If they dont Accept then thats fine they can pee off.
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this shouldnt even be happening, the club has to stand its ground but in the end, I feel that the club will do the deals, looking at the list - Luke McGuane (300k), Robbie Nahas (250k), Shane Tuck (250k), Lonergan, Stephenson and Derricks (probably 200k) combined could all be either traded or delisted. Thats 1 million dollars that should be taken out of the salary cap at the end of the year. I dont think we will target a free agent this year but we will probably bring in 5 or 6 players via the draft which would cost about 400k in total. Thats 600k freed up and that should be enough to keep all the players. If they dont except then thats fine they can pee off.
Spot on.
If we lose anyone of value due to these spuds its an utter joke.
Delist the spases
Pay them out
Give the guns the extra $
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Ramps,
Lonergan & Stephenson are rookies and even though they are both elevated rookies their coin wouldn't be close to $200-$250k combined.
reckon if Tucky is on $250k then that's a bargain and I don't think any supporter would begrudge him that
It will come back to who they chop seasons end and how much that saving is remembering they will bring someone in via FA
But understand your point though.
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How does Caro even know all of this is true?
I doubt the part about Cotchin the most especially since he said he signed a 2 year deal to keep him on his best game and not get too comfortable. I trust the captain of RFC over her.
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Pick 1 for Boyd and Adams and/or Cameron plskthx
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How does Caro even know all of this is true?
I doubt the part about Cotchin the most especially since he said he signed a 2 year deal to keep him on his best game and not get too comfortable. I trust the captain of RFC over her.
I wouldn't doubt Caro and her RFC sources, usually pretty accurate.
Did you believe the tripe about Cotch only taking 2 yrs to keep him on his toes?
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Riewoldt for Cameron and Tyson . . . :whistle
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FWIW I think they'll all sign on and this is just another article to fill in a quiet news week. ;)
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How does Caro even know all of this is true?
I doubt the part about Cotchin the most especially since he said he signed a 2 year deal to keep him on his best game and not get too comfortable. I trust the captain of RFC over her.
I wouldn't doubt Caro and her RFC sources, usually pretty accurate.
Did you believe the tripe about Cotch only taking 2 yrs to keep him on his toes?
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Ramps,
Lonergan & Stephenson are rookies and even though they are both elevated rookies their coin wouldn't be close to $200-$250k combined.
But understand your point though.
I also included Derrickx in that group so thats how I got to about 250k. Derrickx would get the minimum at least and that would have been atleast 80-100k. completely wasted money IMHO.
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How does Caro even know all of this is true?
I doubt the part about Cotchin the most especially since he said he signed a 2 year deal to keep him on his best game and not get too comfortable. I trust the captain of RFC over her.
I wouldn't doubt Caro and her RFC sources, usually pretty accurate.
Did you believe the tripe about Cotch only taking 2 yrs to keep him on his toes?
I do believe it, I think sometimes people try and dig too deep when really the truth is right there.
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How does Caro even know all of this is true?
I doubt the part about Cotchin the most especially since he said he signed a 2 year deal to keep him on his best game and not get too comfortable. I trust the captain of RFC over her.
I wouldn't doubt Caro and her RFC sources, usually pretty accurate.
Did you believe the tripe about Cotch only taking 2 yrs to keep him on his toes?
I do believe it, I think sometimes people try and dig too deep when really the truth is right there.
Unless of course it isn't ;D ;D
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Ramps,
Lonergan & Stephenson are rookies and even though they are both elevated rookies their coin wouldn't be close to $200-$250k combined.
But understand your point though.
I also included Derrickx in that group so thats how I got to about 250k. Derrickx would get the minimum at least and that would have been atleast 80-100k. completely wasted money IMHO.
yeah I know you did but I don't think there's much point including rookie wages. Stephenson is a cheap short term cover for big Ivan
Agree Derickx will be gone seasons end but he doesn't offer you much of a saving
Would think to free up some real coin on our list we need to look at trading someone (B grader) out
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Ramps,
Lonergan & Stephenson are rookies and even though they are both elevated rookies their coin wouldn't be close to $200-$250k combined.
But understand your point though.
I also included Derrickx in that group so thats how I got to about 250k. Derrickx would get the minimum at least and that would have been atleast 80-100k. completely wasted money IMHO.
yeah I know you did but I don't think there's much point including rookie wages. Stephenson is a cheap short term cover for big Ivan
Agree Derickx will be gone seasons end but he doesn't offer you much of a saving
Would think to free up some real coin on our list we need to look at trading someone (B grader) out
the accountant is knit picking over a palty 100-200k lol :lol
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I don't think Riewoldt will leave but this is exactly why we need Vickery to step up. Even if Riewoldt gets injuried our forward line will be in trouble. Do we need to look at picking up a cheap 2nd tall via FA Edwards has been average.
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the accountant is knit picking over a palty 100-200k lol :lol
No the accountant is knit picking over the need to find another $400k minimum
Removing list cloggers isn't going to free that much coin
need to move 1 or 2 and free up $350-600K IMHO
;D
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Ramps,
Lonergan & Stephenson are rookies and even though they are both elevated rookies their coin wouldn't be close to $200-$250k combined.
But understand your point though.
I also included Derrickx in that group so thats how I got to about 250k. Derrickx would get the minimum at least and that would have been atleast 80-100k. completely wasted money IMHO.
yeah I know you did but I don't think there's much point including rookie wages. Stephenson is a cheap short term cover for big Ivan
Agree Derickx will be gone seasons end but he doesn't offer you much of a saving
Would think to free up some real coin on our list we need to look at trading someone (B grader) out
Yep, no point including rookies/ minimum wage players because they need to be replaced by exactly the same wage anyway.
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the accountant is knit picking over a palty 100-200k lol :lol
No the accountant is knit picking over the need to find another $400k minimum
Removing list cloggers isn't going to free that much coin
need to move 1 or 2 and free up $350-600K IMHO
;D
If mcgaune and Edwards were delisted today how much extra cap room would we have?
Jackson too.
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Jackson wont be delisted, so I dont know why you would continue to belt your head against a wall over that.
Edwards would be on a minimal wage. Mcguane would have taken a pay cut last year too. When you take into account you have to replace players with someone else on the list, the savings are not that great.
Im not real sure how it works now, i think that putting players onto the veterns list is one of the better ways to free up salary space.
Otherwise you start looking at losing your higher paid 2nd tier players, which I believe is what Hardwick has said happens when you bring in marquee players under free agency in other sports.
Imagine if we had payed some extraordinary amount for cloke like some people wanted. The discussion now wouldn't be about how satisfy all these players, but how many and who we will lose.
With so many young players on thge list, if we are to continue improving, these players, by way of performance, will start to demand bigger wages, so this problem should only get worse. Im actually a little bit flabbergasted and concerned that a middle of the road side who hasnt played finals in eons is having this issue.
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If Jackson is delisted to have suffice money for deledio / cot chin / martin / jack is it not worth thinking about?
As u say we have a young list with salary cap issues that will only increase. Is the solution not to remove list blockers?
Caro should stick to jameshird / peptides
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How many years does someone need to have been on a list before you can stick half their salary onto a veterans list. Lids would almost have 10 years service.
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If Jackson is delisted to have suffice money for deledio / cot chin / martin / jack is it not worth thinking about?
As u say we have a young list with salary cap issues that will only increase. Is the solution not to remove list blockers?
Caro should stick to jameshird / peptides
what im saying is that Jackson being delisted is an "IF" that aint gunna happen anytime soon, so its better for your sanity to accept it rather than get worked up about it.
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What would Nahas be on? He should be shown the door come seasons end! Trade him to GWS.
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McGuane & Nahas combined would be getting 500k
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Is not surprising good players posturing over contract renewal,happens everywhere from geelong and hawthorn , all the way down. I expect we will sign who we want, more likely to shorter rather than longer contracts , so players keep the whip hand in future contract renewals. Also may cost us a player like Batch as rival clubs do a reverse wedgie to RFC in the manner we snaffled grigg and houli.
Good management will get it done :clapping
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Good post Bo...its pretty much how I see it too
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The way I hear it Dustin has already reached an agreement and it will be announced shortly.
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The way I hear it Dustin has already reached an agreement and it will be announced shortly.
just because you read something on a blackboard out the back of the bridge doesn't make it true, although in this case it probably is
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I know it's a forum so we have to talk about it but surely we have enough salary cap space to meet the needs of our best 4 players and vice versa in the same way that Carlton, Collingwood, Hawthorn, cats, Sydney (need I go on?) have done in the past 10 years?
I just get the feeling that it is player managers talking to Caro - not the club - because they know that the Tiger faithful will pin some sort of credibility to it being from Caro as opposed to John Ralph or Robbo.
Dan Richardson is the best credentialed footy manager in the AFL with his background to deliver a dose of reality to our players and their managers.
Who would she know thats left at the club anyway?
There is absolutely no reason why those players with the right attitudes about success will leave.
Frankly, if they do - it might require a sacrificial lamb to send the message to the rest of the players.
Port Power let Nick Stevens go but did it cost them a flag?
Kangas did the same with Colby.
Cats Ablett
Club heaps bigger than individual if it came down to it.
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Hmm, may well be a beat up but I'm shocked that these guys (particularly JR) would be squibling over contracts. I was pretty disappointed they couldn't sign Cotch for longer than 2 years. All things go to plan and we'll be pushing for a flag and Cotch will be at the top of his game in two years, necessitating top dollar.
Also heard from a friend that West Coast are keen on signing Reece Conca, don't know what his source was but apparently they're offering him more than we can. Plus the come home factor, could end up over there in 2014. Eep!
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Hmm, may well be a beat up but I'm shocked that these guys (particularly JR) would be squibling over contracts. I was pretty disappointed they couldn't sign Cotch for longer than 2 years. All things go to plan and we'll be pushing for a flag and Cotch will be at the top of his game in two years, necessitating top dollar.
Also heard from a friend that West Coast are keen on signing Reece Conca, don't know what his source was but apparently they're offering him more than we can. Plus the come home factor, could end up over there in 2014. Eep!
They'll have to give up someone for him or a top 10 draft pick or both. They will not finish last to pick him up in the PSD and he is not a free agent for a long time.
So they can want him all they want but he aint going nowhere!
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I don't like it when Caro knows something at the club.
I can't understand why there would be anyone at the club that would want to talk with her.
Like Y&B suggested its she's probably getting the info from player managers to work the system I would be flabbergasted if anyone at the club would even entertain the idea of talking to her about anything at the club especially player contracts.
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Another thing.
If we played Griffiths at CHF and kept him there for a good go at it we would know by now if he was worth persisting with, at the minute we are none the wiser although it looks like he may be a bust.
But if he was good we could at least get rid of Vickery because at the minute he has currency and still the potential tag, secondly he (vickery) is the most frustrating player on our list at the minute it's excruciatingly painful to watch him play.
I think the club erred when they played Miller ahead of youngsters and its even more of an error playing Lockup as the third tall when its prime development position for an up and comer like Griffiths, Elton or McBean. Sometimes you just need to throw em in the deep end and see if they can swim and the third tall position is ideal where they could concetrate on defensive side of the game as well as forward positioning and Griffiths would be ideal for this IMO.
By Playing Griff we would've known more one way or the other.
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I know it's a forum so we have to talk about it but surely we have enough salary cap space to meet the needs of our best 4 players and vice versa in the same way that Carlton, Collingwood, Hawthorn, cats, Sydney (need I go on?) have done in the past 10 years?
I just get the feeling that it is player managers talking to Caro - not the club - because they know that the Tiger faithful will pin some sort of credibility to it being from Caro as opposed to John Ralph or Robbo.
Dan Richardson is the best credentialed footy manager in the AFL with his background to deliver a dose of reality to our players and their managers.
Who would she know thats left at the club anyway?
There is absolutely no reason why those players with the right attitudes about success will leave.
Frankly, if they do - it might require a sacrificial lamb to send the message to the rest of the players.
Port Power let Nick Stevens go but did it cost them a flag?
Kangas did the same with Colby.
Cats Ablett
Club heaps bigger than individual if it came down to it.
As Yellow&Black says Dan Richardson is the man!!!' :clapping
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Another thing.
If we played Griffiths at CHF and kept him there for a good go at it we would know by now if he was worth persisting with, at the minute we are none the wiser although it looks like he may be a bust.
But if he was good we could at least get rid of Vickery because at the minute he has currency and still the potential tag, secondly he (vickery) is the most frustrating player on our list at the minute it's excruciatingly painful to watch him play.
I think the club erred when they played Miller ahead of youngsters and its even more of an error playing Lockup as the third tall when its prime development position for an up and comer like Griffiths, Elton or McBean. Sometimes you just need to throw em in the deep end and see if they can swim and the third tall position is ideal where they could concetrate on defensive side of the game as well as forward positioning and Griffiths would be ideal for this IMO.
By Playing Griff we would've known more one way or the other.
I've been on the Griff bandwagon for a while. Compared to Brisbane's Lisle, he is a much better player. Brisbane has persisted with Lisle even though Hawthorn discarded him and now he is flourishing because the coach has shown faith in him. I know everyone is demanding that he tear the house down in the reserves, but he is the type of player that will flourish if our coaching staff showed the same faith in him as Brisbane has in Lisle. Would rather him ATM than Edwards. McBean has to develop his body a little bit more but he may be the best option of the four in the end (Griff, Edwards, McGuane and McBean).
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Another thing.
If we played Griffiths at CHF and kept him there for a good go at it we would know by now if he was worth persisting with, at the minute we are none the wiser although it looks like he may be a bust.
But if he was good we could at least get rid of Vickery because at the minute he has currency and still the potential tag, secondly he (vickery) is the most frustrating player on our list at the minute it's excruciatingly painful to watch him play.
I think the club erred when they played Miller ahead of youngsters and its even more of an error playing Lockup as the third tall when its prime development position for an up and comer like Griffiths, Elton or McBean. Sometimes you just need to throw em in the deep end and see if they can swim and the third tall position is ideal where they could concetrate on defensive side of the game as well as forward positioning and Griffiths would be ideal for this IMO.
By Playing Griff we would've known more one way or the other.
I've been on the Griff bandwagon for a while. Compared to Brisbane's Lisle, he is a much better player. Brisbane has persisted with Lisle even though Hawthorn discarded him and now he is flourishing because the coach has shown faith in him. I know everyone is demanding that he tear the house down in the reserves, but he is the type of player that will flourish if our coaching staff showed the same faith in him as Brisbane has in Lisle. Would rather him ATM than Edwards. McBean has to develop his body a little bit more but he may be the best option of the four in the end (Griff, Edwards, McGuane and McBean).
Agreed. :thumbsup
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x 2.
Must be played in the 2nd half of the season and given a decent run at it for at least 3 to 6 weeks.
Who knows could turn a critical game for the club when it needs a win, or even better a in a finals match.
Lock-up aint the future, and although Griif has immediate deficiencies, surely he has got greater upside for the mid term than a 2 possession 2 sacrificial act 29 y-o HFF at his 3rd club.
End of rant..... again
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x 2.
Must be played in the 2nd half of the season and given a decent run at it for at least 3 to 6 weeks.
Who knows could turn a critical game for the club when it needs a win, or even better a in a finals match.
Lock-up aint the future, and although Griif has immediate deficiencies, surely he has got greater upside for the mid term than a 2 possession 2 sacrificial act 29 y-o HFF at his 3rd club.
End of rant..... again
Needed to be said again..again. :clapping
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Agree, not once, nor twice, but thrice. :thumbsup
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geezid be suurprised if we are anywhere near 100% tpp and no where to manouvre.
lets see a list of who we have to keep building around
cotchin, deledio, martin, riewoldt have to be the top 4 paid.
solid mature players chaplin, s edwards, foley, houli, maric, morris, knights, tuck. thats 7 of the older blokes who are decent or new to the club.
younger blokes who we need to develop
dea, batchelor, arnot, conca, ellis, elton, griffiths, grimes, helbig, astbury, mcbean, mcdonough, mcintosh, ohanlon, vlastuin, williams. thats 16 players aged 22 and under in various stages of development. im not sure we are in a position to make a call on any of them. all of em will obviuosly not make it. i would hope most developing players are immune from being culled to make hypothetical salary cap room.
it leaves in the gun and of course people will disagree
darrou, derickx, a edwards, grigg, jackson, king, lonergan, mcguane, nahas, newman, petterd, rance, stephenson, verrier, vickery, white. thats 16 potential delists trades.
of these and being conservative newman at 31 yrs would free up at least 350k, jackson 27yo 300k, king 29 yrs 200 k, mcguane 200k, nahas 150k, white 200k they are 6 players we should be looking seriously at cutting anyway. of course with others in the gun it would be ideal to hang onto a few but if salary cap is under pressure these blokes would free up plenty.newman aside what do we really lose if we had to cut these blokes.
vickery and rance are there because i dont rate em i think we need to do better. they would have real value atm id be prepared to trade em if need be while they still have value. of course atm id rather keep em and bring in and develop kids to replace em that way.
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of the 9 mentioned make sure we keep martin,ellis, conca, riewoldt and grimes.
retire newman if we have to,
get what we can for jackson rance and king which wont be a real lot me thinbks.rance may fetch something decent.
i hope this is not true anyway i was hoping we had enough cap room to go after someone like james frawley.
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Hey Claw,
My understanding of it isn't that we are close to 100% now and can't afford to pay Dusty and Jack what they want now but when others come out of contract in the future we won't be able to pay them. Vlastuin, Conca, Ellis by time they reach their 3rd contracts etc.
All the talk is Lids is on 600k and I think that should be the max ANY of our players get. So Cotch should probably be on 600k. Jack SHOULD get 600k over 3-4 years. Could give him an extra year (5) if that helps him sign for 600k. Dusty is probably a level below them and 500k for 2 years and if he performs over those 2 years as expected he can expect 600k there after.
Ellis and Vlastuin should be signed cheaply in only their 2nd contract. SO they shouldn't be an issue.
Conca and Grimes due to their injuries probably 2 year deals. Grimes about 200-250k. Conca about 300k.
Newy I would think has been paid well over the years. He's a fringe type player now. I think we could sell him the prospect of finals to sign for cheaper. He gets an extra 112k outside the salary cap for being a veteran anyway.
Rance I know you don't rate but he is comfortably best 22 and if we get rid of him we will struggle. Started the year slow but would be in our top 10 players for importance. If we could keep him for 350k we'd be doing well. He'd likely get 400k minimum.
As for Jackson and King you'd like to think they wouldn't ask for much. They're the types that we could clear out to make some space in the cap.
From memory, someone like Grigg came over on about $1mill over 3 years. I think we could get him for under 300 otherwise he is dispensible IMO.
We have been keen on a few FA players as well so I don't think we are battling at all. I think it's all about getting them to sign for unders so we can create a dynasty.
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sure hope ypour right tigs. we just have to keep on building on what decent players we have we cant afford to lose em to salary cap mis management.
i agree on rance being best 22 and therin lies the problem for me. vickery is as well. the concern is we dont have any players on our list atm who look remotely capable of ousting them and that speaks volumes about our depth in key positions. we cant rely on what we have we have to go back to the well and make sure.
take jack out of the forward line what tall forward is left.vickery give me a break. i have serious doubts about him making it and surely there are now concerns over griffiths and astbury.
stephenson remains the only viable back up to ivan omg we have to fix that. we have serious problems with the list.
people lauged at me last couple of yrs because i suggested we have a go at kpps like tom lee cheaply i also suggested we take beau wilkes got laughed at again even said with tarrant petrie and hansen doing so well at north go hard at aaron black no one wanted to listen. jack hannath at freo is showing enough to suggest he will become a decent ruckman.
addressing some of our list needs is not a hard thing to do we jst have to be prepared to cut some of the duds we have and try someone different.
im really keen on jeremy mcgovern a key forward on wce list and scotty lycett a ruckman on their list. they like black are not getting a go and imo they can both play. id seriously consider trading rance for both, it would be a risk but hey like you said i dont rate rance. to replace alex go hard in f/a for james frawley we all know hes peeed off at melbourne.
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Another thing.
If we played Griffiths at CHF and kept him there for a good go at it we would know by now if he was worth persisting with, at the minute we are none the wiser although it looks like he may be a bust.
But if he was good we could at least get rid of Vickery because at the minute he has currency and still the potential tag, secondly he (vickery) is the most frustrating player on our list at the minute it's excruciatingly painful to watch him play.
I think the club erred when they played Miller ahead of youngsters and its even more of an error playing Lockup as the third tall when its prime development position for an up and comer like Griffiths, Elton or McBean. Sometimes you just need to throw em in the deep end and see if they can swim and the third tall position is ideal where they could concetrate on defensive side of the game as well as forward positioning and Griffiths would be ideal for this IMO.
By Playing Griff we would've known more one way or the other.
My understanding is Griff played back for Coburg for the majority of the gam :P :P
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Claw I cant see Hardwick trading or delisting any of Jackson, King, Newman, Rance, Vickery or White who has found a place as the 22nd player ie. the emergency.
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x 2.
Must be played in the 2nd half of the season and given a decent run at it for at least 3 to 6 weeks.
Who knows could turn a critical game for the club when it needs a win, or even better a in a finals match.
Lock-up aint the future, and although Griif has immediate deficiencies, surely he has got greater upside for the mid term than a 2 possession 2 sacrificial act 29 y-o HFF at his 3rd club.
End of rant..... againp
:bow
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Also heard from a friend that West Coast are keen on signing Reece Conca, don't know what his source was but apparently they're offering him more than we can. Plus the come home factor, could end up over there in 2014. Eep!
They'll have to give up someone for him or a top 10 draft pick or both. They will not finish last to pick him up in the PSD and he is not a free agent for a long time.
So they can want him all they want but he aint going nowhere!
Conca for Gaff?
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Concs for Gaff? Why would you trade away a good player for a worse one? You missing Fiora?
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Concs for Gaff? Why would you trade away a good player for a worse one? You missing Fiora?
Can we trade Fiora for Gaff??
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Gaffs gone backwards at a rate of knots. Would be worth a late 1st round pick at best at the moment, probably worth a early 2nd rounder in reality.
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Have it on good authority that he's signed with GWS
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if your mum was such a good authority she'd have banned you from the internet by now
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if your mum was such a good authority she'd have banned you from the internet by now
:lol :lol :lol
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if your mum was such a good authority she'd have banned you from the internet by now
stuffing LOL :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :bow :bow :bow :bow
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Gaffs gone backwards at a rate of knots. Would be worth a late 1st round pick at best at the moment, probably worth a early 2nd rounder in reality.
Struggling this season but is a class act. Love Conca, but if he did want to leave then we could do worse than taking Gaff for him. I don't think Conca is going anywhere though.
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if your mum was such a good authority she'd have banned you from the internet by now
Not funny
Not all of us have mothers
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Enough off topic thread talk please, word is Jack is looking for a club whose fans appreciate him
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Enough off topic thread talk please, word is Jack is looking for a club whose fans appreciate him
All the best at your new club, Jack.
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the question is, will his one man band fanboi club go with him?
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Hey Claw,
My understanding of it isn't that we are close to 100% now and can't afford to pay Dusty and Jack what they want now but when others come out of contract in the future we won't be able to pay them. Vlastuin, Conca, Ellis by time they reach their 3rd contracts etc.
All the talk is Lids is on 600k and I think that should be the max ANY of our players get. So Cotch should probably be on 600k. Jack SHOULD get 600k over 3-4 years. Could give him an extra year (5) if that helps him sign for 600k. Dusty is probably a level below them and 500k for 2 years and if he performs over those 2 years as expected he can expect 600k there after.
Ellis and Vlastuin should be signed cheaply in only their 2nd contract. SO they shouldn't be an issue.
Conca and Grimes due to their injuries probably 2 year deals. Grimes about 200-250k. Conca about 300k.
Newy I would think has been paid well over the years. He's a fringe type player now. I think we could sell him the prospect of finals to sign for cheaper. He gets an extra 112k outside the salary cap for being a veteran anyway.
Rance I know you don't rate but he is comfortably best 22 and if we get rid of him we will struggle. Started the year slow but would be in our top 10 players for importance. If we could keep him for 350k we'd be doing well. He'd likely get 400k minimum.
As for Jackson and King you'd like to think they wouldn't ask for much. They're the types that we could clear out to make some space in the cap.
From memory, someone like Grigg came over on about $1mill over 3 years. I think we could get him for under 300 otherwise he is dispensible IMO.
We have been keen on a few FA players as well so I don't think we are battling at all. I think it's all about getting them to sign for unders so we can create a dynasty.
My mail is that we are not at 100% of TPP, haven't been for years :shh
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BJ is Australia Post because he delivers :shh
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Hey Claw,
My understanding of it isn't that we are close to 100% now and can't afford to pay Dusty and Jack what they want now but when others come out of contract in the future we won't be able to pay them. Vlastuin, Conca, Ellis by time they reach their 3rd contracts etc.
All the talk is Lids is on 600k and I think that should be the max ANY of our players get. So Cotch should probably be on 600k. Jack SHOULD get 600k over 3-4 years. Could give him an extra year (5) if that helps him sign for 600k. Dusty is probably a level below them and 500k for 2 years and if he performs over those 2 years as expected he can expect 600k there after.
Ellis and Vlastuin should be signed cheaply in only their 2nd contract. SO they shouldn't be an issue.
Conca and Grimes due to their injuries probably 2 year deals. Grimes about 200-250k. Conca about 300k.
Newy I would think has been paid well over the years. He's a fringe type player now. I think we could sell him the prospect of finals to sign for cheaper. He gets an extra 112k outside the salary cap for being a veteran anyway.
Rance I know you don't rate but he is comfortably best 22 and if we get rid of him we will struggle. Started the year slow but would be in our top 10 players for importance. If we could keep him for 350k we'd be doing well. He'd likely get 400k minimum.
As for Jackson and King you'd like to think they wouldn't ask for much. They're the types that we could clear out to make some space in the cap.
From memory, someone like Grigg came over on about $1mill over 3 years. I think we could get him for under 300 otherwise he is dispensible IMO.
We have been keen on a few FA players as well so I don't think we are battling at all. I think it's all about getting them to sign for unders so we can create a dynasty.
My mail is that we are not at 100% of TPP, haven't been for years :shh
We were playing the min not that long ago
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My mail is that we are not at 100% of TPP, haven't been for years :shh
We were playing the min not that long ago
As I posted in the other thread about Ellis, Vlaustin & others re-signing
And BTW for people's info the total salary cap this seaosn is $9.14mil and clubs must pay 95% of it = $8.863mil.
To hit at that number we'd have a few blokes on bigger money than they probably should be
Minimum was 92.5% was increased to 95% this season and last years cap was only $8.79mil
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My mail is that we are not at 100% of TPP, haven't been for years :shh
We were playing the min not that long ago
As I posted in the other thread about Ellis, Vlaustin & others re-signing
And BTW for people's info the total salary cap this seaosn is $9.14mil and clubs must pay 95% of it = $8.863mil.
To hit at that number we'd have a few blokes on bigger money than they probably should be
Minimum was 92.5% was increased to 95% this season and last years cap was only $8.79mil
and thats why these minimum caps are wrong. how can clubs like Melbourne and Footscray be paying that type of money to their players. The minimum should be down at about 82% of the maximum, 1 percent for every team in the comp.
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Welcome to the players collective bargaining agreement
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Bloody unions. Socialists ruining everything even the footy ;D
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hippies the lot of them
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the question is, will his one man band fanboi club go with him?
No you are not that lucky
Go Jack :gotigers
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the question is, will his one man band fanboi club go with him?
No you are not that lucky
Go Jack :gotigers
:facepalm
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Just watching 360 encore since I missed it earlier, Robbo saying Martin and Jack won't be going anywhere. Said that the club has helped out Martin in more ways than many know of and Jack will never walk, it's all just purely negotiating for best deal possible.
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Robbo stating the absolute bleeding obvious
Only Caro, flogs and trolls think otherwise
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Just watching 360 encore since I missed it earlier, Robbo saying Martin and Jack won't be going anywhere. Said that the club has helped out Martin in more ways than many know of and Jack will never walk, it's all just purely negotiating for best deal possible.
Yesssss big blobbo with the good news. :clapping Our team is going to be amazing in a couple of years. :shh
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Lance Franklin delays deal for Richmond star Jack Riewoldt
Al Paton
From: Herald Sun
June 21, 2013 11:33AM
THE Lance Franklin contract saga is delaying a new deal for Richmond star Jack Riewoldt.
Franklin and Riewoldt are both out of contract at the end of the season and share the same manager, Liam Pickering.
Franklin is in the sights of GWS, which is prepared to offer the Hawthorn spearhead as much as $12 million over six years.
Complicating negotiations is the fact the Giants are also interested in Riewoldt, who would be a strong Plan B if Franklin decides to stick with Hawthorn.
"My management same as Lance Franklin so they've got bigger fish to fry at the moment," Riewoldt told Gold FM today.
The dual Coleman Medalist said he hadn't received any offers from other clubs, but was not in a hurry to sign a new contract with the Tigers.
"If the deal gets done, it gets done, if it takes a couple of extra weeks then I'll hang around.
"If the deal can get done I'll be there, signing on the dotted line."
Riewoldt said he was one of several high-profile Tigers coming out of contract, including Dustin Martin and Alex Rance. He also listed Trent Cotchin and when it was pointed out that the skipper had signed a contract extension to the end of 2015 a month ago, Riewoldt said "I think Trent has (signed), but Alex and Dustin haven't, it's just a lengthy process."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/lance-stuff-riewoldt/story-fndv8t7m-1226667436823
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"My management same as Lance Franklin so they've got bigger fish to fry at the moment," Riewoldt told Gold FM today.
What absolute tripe, what the hell does Buddy have to do with it :huh
Does Jack seriously expect us to believe that Liam Pickering is unable to undetake any other negotiations besides Buddy and cannot do more than one deal at a time therefore leaving all his other paying clients in limbo
And besides Buddy has said he's not interested in talking contracts until season end, so wouldn't Liam actually have some spare time right about now ;D
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Lance is gooooooneeeeeee. Suck that Hoffon
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"My management same as Lance Franklin so they've got bigger fish to fry at the moment," Riewoldt told Gold FM today.
What absolute tripe, what the hell does Buddy have to do with it :huh
Does Jack seriously expect us to believe that Liam Pickering is unable to undetake any other negotiations besides Buddy and cannot do more than one deal at a time therefore leaving all his other paying clients in limbo
And besides Buddy has said he's not interested in talking contracts until season end, so wouldn't Liam actually have some spare time right about now ;D
exactly
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Liam Pickering -> space monkey.
Worried about his women and smokes reckons hes a rock star.
I wouldn't trust him managing a load of bread.
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yeah to be fair, Liam Pickering is fairly stuffing useless
i think when GAJ went to the Coast all his other clients got the work experience kid to finish their contracts
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Damian Barrett's latest 'sliding doors' article on the AFL website ...
Richmond
IF .......... Jack and Dusty don’t re-sign soon …
THEN ..... this club's ability to allow itself to be affected by things that shouldn't matter may kick back in.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-21/sliding-doors-round-13
::) :sleep
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Hardwick tips star duo to re-sign
richmondfc.com.au
1:54pm AEST Friday, June 21, 2013
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick is confident Tiger top guns Jack Riewoldt and Dustin Martin will agree to contract extensions with the Club.
Read more at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-06-21/hardwick-tips-star-duo-to-resign
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Liam Pickering. The bleedin prima Donna needs to be hauled into punt rd and read the riot act. If he continues to stuff us around , we ll run him out of town :shh
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Everyone is waiting to see how much is left in the overall pie after Buddy goes or stays. If Buddy stays at Hawthorn then others will have greater leverage to play with in their own contract negotiations.
In any case. it's hard to see either Jack or Dusty heading north. Why, after doing all the hard yards and years to finally be apart of a young up and coming side heading towards finals and success, would you join GWS to repeat the whole painful experience and spend the next 4-5 years playing in losing teams. Add to that you'll be playing in front of tumbleweeds as opposed to playing in regular big games at a packed MCG.
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Who said they'll head north :shh
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"My management same as Lance Franklin so they've got bigger fish to fry at the moment," Riewoldt told Gold FM today.
What absolute tripe, what the hell does Buddy have to do with it :huh
Does Jack seriously expect us to believe that Liam Pickering is unable to undetake any other negotiations besides Buddy and cannot do more than one deal at a time therefore leaving all his other paying clients in limbo
And besides Buddy has said he's not interested in talking contracts until season end, so wouldn't Liam actually have some spare time right about now ;D
I think what he means is that if Franklin were to knock back GWS they would come at Riewoldt with most of that 12 million over 6 so he won't sign until that gets sorted.
Must say I wouldn't have expected anything different from a me merchant like Jack.
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Nice post TBR, coming from a poster who username was the biggest me man at Tigerland since they introduced the salary cap ::)
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Nice post TBR, coming from a poster who username was the biggest me man at Tigerland since they introduced the salary cap ::)
Whoa! :gobdrop :police:
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Nice post TBR, coming from a poster who username was the biggest me man at Tigerland since they introduced the salary cap ::)
Least Richo didn't wear red boots.
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We can't afford to sabotage list management for any player. It has been our ruin too many times in the past. In this contractual climate if he wants Jack to go, let him and gouge the receiving club for all their worth.
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We can't afford to sabotage list management for any player. It has been our ruin too many times in the past. In this contractual climate if he wants Jack to go, let him and gouge the receiving club for all their worth.
Perfectly said
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Nice post TBR, coming from a poster who username was the biggest me man at Tigerland since they introduced the salary cap ::)
Least Richo didn't wear red boots.
That's fair :clapping
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Tigers confident on re-signing Riewoldt, Martin
By Mitch Cleary
afl.com.au
Wednesday, June 26, 2013
RICHMOND chief executive Brendon Gale says he is very confident Jack Riewoldt and Dustin Martin will re-sign with the club beyond this season.
The two are the highest-profile Tigers out of contract at the end of the season, and Gale said he was pleased with the progress that had been made in retaining their services.
The club re-signed four players last week, but Riewoldt and Martin were not among the names, sparking discussion on their futures.
“We’re confident where we’re placed with both Jack and Dustin,” Gale told Crocmedia’s Sportsday.
“Those discussions have been worked through in a professional manner with their representatives and we’re very confident they’ll be resolved.
“We’re confident in the offering. We’ve got to make sure we guide it by the market and pay the players the market value. We’ve got the integrity of our own salary cap to be mindful of as well.”
The 24-year-old Riewoldt and 21-year-old Martin are among a group of uncontracted players for 2014 that includes key defender Alex Rance and first-round draftee Reece Conca.
The Tigers announced on Tuesday they had passed the 60,000 membership mark, but Gale said it had to be backed up with on-field success.
“We really haven’t done anything yet,” he said.
“It’s not until we get in the finals on a consistent basis that we can start to say we’ve achieved things in a football space.”
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-26/tigers-confident-on-jack-dusty
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good to read those last two lines. we have some work to do still and its good to hear them almost say it.
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Jack told SEN today that he's not far away from getting a new deal done as is Dusty and Reece. His excuse for the delay was the changeover in footy manager from Craig Cameron leaving to Dan Richardson coming in, plus there being a number of out of contract Tigers needing to signed up. He said Rance, Ellis, Vlastuin, etc .. have signed up which is great for the Club and he shouldn't be too far away as there's only a few things to tidy up. Good to see the group sticking together.
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KB almost had heart attack!
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good to read those last two lines. we have some work to do still and its good to hear them almost say it.
I reckon I've heard 'we still have long way to go' or similar in every interview and press conference from every player and every official out of RFC, every week for the last 3 years
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good to read those last two lines. we have some work to do still and its good to hear them almost say it.
I reckon I've heard 'we still have long way to go' or similar in every interview and press conference from every player and every official out of RFC, every week for the last 3 years
:lol me too.