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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Judge Roughneck on September 09, 2013, 10:46:38 AM
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:shh :shh
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reckon there will always be arguments about best 22.
id prefer to just name certainties.
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Chris Knights would have been handy!!!
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reckon there will always be arguments about best 22.
id prefer to just name certainties.
Well name the certainties then
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reckon there will always be arguments about best 22.
id prefer to just name certainties.
Well name the certainties then
na but i will say there is or should be competition for 11 places in the 22.
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reckon there will always be arguments about best 22.
id prefer to just name certainties.
Well name the certainties then
na
idiot
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Certainties - players which deliver a good standard most of the time and our team would be absolutely rubbish without
Cotchin
Martin
Deledio
Riewoldt
Rance
Houli
Maric
Vlastuin
Chaplin
More or less guaranteed a spot because we can't replace them
Newman
Jackson
Grigg
Conca
King
Foley
White
Grimes
Shedwards
Players which are on the fringe of becoming a permanent fixture in our starting 22
Knights
Petterd
Who I would like to force their way into the side and make players accountable for their performances
Arnot
McBean
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Ellis?
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Surely just an oversight :thumbsup
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reckon there will always be arguments about best 22.
id prefer to just name certainties.
Well name the certainties then
na
idiot
who are you calling an idiot poo for brains. see its easy to act like a 12 yr old. as i said theres always arguments over best 22 and im over it.
ive argued for a long time now we dont have a best 22 we fall away pretty quickly after a certain point.
if i was to do a best 22 it would be a combination of about our top 11 wishful thinking and potential.
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to state "id prefer to just name certainties" and then when asked to state said certainties reply "na", is indeed idiotic.
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to state "id prefer to just name certainties" and then when asked to state said certainties reply "na", is indeed idiotic.
to ignore what is said in the whole of a post is being a tad selective. i did say naming best 22s causes too many arguments. i would have thought most thinking people would take that to mean one was not going to name names.
but hey continue being childish.not only childish abuse but childish type of comprehension as well.
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to state "id prefer to just name certainties" and then when asked to state said certainties reply "na", is indeed idiotic.
to ignore what is said in the whole of a post is being a tad selective. i did say naming best 22s causes too many arguments. i would have thought most thinking people would take that to mean one was not going to name names.
but hey continue being childish.not only childish abuse but childish type of comprehension as well.
are you forgetting saying this?
id prefer to just name certainties.
Which he then asked you to say?
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Ellis?
indeed an oversight. I'm not sure where I'd put him. On one hand he's the future and has had some great moments. i don't want to put too much pressure on him but feel he's somewhat replaceable. Maybe it's just the loss against the blues but unlike Vlastuin, Ellis didn't really do a great deal to try and get us back in the game. but then again not many players did.
I suppose I am close to locking him in as an 'absolute certainty' but not just yet.
I'm more excited about the biscuit and hopefully the battering ram will make a full recovery and tear it up for us.
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Ellis?
indeed an oversight. I'm not sure where I'd put him. On one hand he's the future and has had some great moments. i don't want to put too much pressure on him but feel he's somewhat replaceable. Maybe it's just the loss against the blues but unlike Vlastuin, Ellis didn't really do a great deal to try and get us back in the game. but then again not many players did.
I suppose I am close to locking him in as an 'absolute certainty' but not just yet.
I'm more excited about the biscuit and hopefully the battering ram will make a full recovery and tear it up for us.
Yep, you'd like to think that by this time next year Ellis (after 3 seasons) has become a certainty. :thumbsup
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Maybe it's just the loss against the blues but unlike Vlastuin, Ellis didn't really do a great deal to try and get us back in the game. but then again not many players did.
Maybe that's simply because Cartoon rated Ellis higher than Vlastuin and was willing to let Nick of the leash a little but sat on Brandon.
Throughout the season I believe Ellis has bee a more important and damaging player than Vlastuin. Nothing against Nick , you'd expect a first year player to be less influential.
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Maybe it's just the loss against the blues but unlike Vlastuin, Ellis didn't really do a great deal to try and get us back in the game. but then again not many players did.
Maybe that's simply because Cartoon rated Ellis higher than Vlastuin and was willing to let Nick of the leash a little but sat on Brandon.
Throughout the season I believe Ellis has bee a more important and damaging player than Vlastuin. Nothing against Nick , you'd expect a first year player to be less influential.
True. They placed the hard tag on him in Rnd 21. Don't know how Vlastuin would cope with the hard tag so I do concur that Ellis does get a bit more attention. Which isn't a bad thing, maybe Ellis will learn how to break a hard tag and become a real weapon for us.
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Maybe it's just the loss against the blues but unlike Vlastuin, Ellis didn't really do a great deal to try and get us back in the game. but then again not many players did.
Maybe that's simply because Cartoon rated Ellis higher than Vlastuin and was willing to let Nick of the leash a little but sat on Brandon.
Throughout the season I believe Ellis has bee a more important and damaging player than Vlastuin. Nothing against Nick , you'd expect a first year player to be less influential.
True. They placed the hard tag on him in Rnd 21. Don't know how Vlastuin would cope with the hard tag so I do concur that Ellis does get a bit more attention. Which isn't a bad thing, maybe Ellis will learn how to break a hard tag and become a real weapon for us.
Maybe Deledio can give him a few of those techniques he was talking about
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morris - chaplin - grimes
mcintosh - rance - helbig
deledio - adams - ellis
martin - riewoldt - knights
mcdonough - mcbean - longer
maric - vlastuin - cotchin
pick 25 quick skillful mid, arnot, conca, foley.
geez no grigg, houli, white, king,mcguane, edwards, petterd, newman who is past it, jackson vickery . thats a lot of regulars we need to upgrade on.
lots of work to be done at tiger land.
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morris - chaplin - grimes
mcintosh - rance - helbig
deledio - adams - ellis
martin - riewoldt - knights
mcdonough - mcbean - longer
maric - vlastuin - cotchin
pick 25 quick skillful mid, arnot, conca, foley.
geez no grigg, houli, white, king,mcguane, edwards, petterd, newman who is past it, jackson vickery . thats a lot of regulars we need to upgrade on.
lots of work to be done at tiger land.
I can't argue with that Claw.
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Woah look out juggernaut playmakers off the back half :shh
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Woah look out juggernaut playmakers off the back half :shh
Both claw hbf options unknowns due to hardwick selection preference
Helbig can play
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Morris - Chaplin - Grimes
Vlastuin - Rance - Houli
Ellis - Conca - Pick 11
Deledio - Griffiths - Knights
Pick 28 - Riewoldt - McBean
Vickery - Cotchin - Martin
Maric - Jackson - Foley - White (Sub)
No: Shaun Grigg - Shane Edwards - Jake King - Luke McGuane - Chris Newman - Ricky Petterd
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Woah look out juggernaut playmakers off the back half :shh
Both claw hbf options unknowns due to hardwick selection preference
Helbig can play
they can both run and kick they can also both defend if the need arises.
mcintosh a bit like birchell but with a more defensive set to his game.
ive been saying for a while now the place for helbig to grow is off hb. tough quick hard at it does defend well and does use the ball well.
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morris - chaplin - grimes
mcintosh - rance - helbig
deledio - adams - ellis
martin - riewoldt - knights
mcdonough - mcbean - longer
maric - vlastuin - cotchin
pick 25 quick skillful mid, arnot, conca, foley.
geez no grigg, houli, white, king,mcguane, edwards, petterd, newman who is past it, jackson vickery . thats a lot of regulars we need to upgrade on.
lots of work to be done at tiger land.
thats a very small backline and mid, in terms of height.
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McIntosh Is 192cm
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morris - chaplin - grimes
mcintosh - rance - helbig
deledio - adams - ellis
martin - riewoldt - knights
mcdonough - mcbean - longer
maric - vlastuin - cotchin
pick 25 quick skillful mid, arnot, conca, foley.
geez no grigg, houli, white, king,mcguane, edwards, petterd, newman who is past it, jackson vickery . thats a lot of regulars we need to upgrade on.
lots of work to be done at tiger land.
thats a very small backline and mid, in terms of height.
sml what are you on about.
4 players above 190cm.. the shortest player at 185cm. size wise it competes with most the lightest player being morris who is expected to go with quick smalls.
yet in one way i agree i reckon our other kpd could have some extra size or specifically weight strenth.
when grimes finally gets there he will play at about 92 kg when mcintosh gets there he will play at 92kg. yes atm they both have some work to do. but they arent far off.
putting on size weight and strength is not about flicking some magical switch. it takes yrs and a lot of hard work.
personally unlike most i still think the weak link in the backline especially down the track will be rance. he is not a good one on one defender i repeat he is not a good one on one defender.
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morris - chaplin - grimes
mcintosh - rance - helbig
deledio - adams - ellis
martin - riewoldt - knights
mcdonough - mcbean - longer
maric - vlastuin - cotchin
pick 25 quick skillful mid, arnot, conca, foley.
geez no grigg, houli, white, king,mcguane, edwards, petterd, newman who is past it, jackson vickery . thats a lot of regulars we need to upgrade on.
lots of work to be done at tiger land.
Few VERY wishfull entries there. The entire forward line have played 1 game between them up to this point. I think that's a 2016/18 lineup to be honest. Not that I dislike the look of it
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Morris - Grimes - Chaplin
Houli - ARance - Ellis
Vlastuin - Deledio - #11
McBean - Riewoldt - Cotchin.
Martin - Vickery - Knights
Maric -Conca - Jackson
Hampson - Foley - SEdwards - arnot
Emg: mcdonough. McIntosh helbig/idea
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The two rucks and subbing one seems to in Vogue
No doubt hard wick will be trying to squeeze in pettard grigg lonergan somewhere. The coach likrs king and Newman too. So it'll be interesting to see what is the believd strongest line up. First up and over the course of the season
Will top up and neglect youth again?
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Morris - Chaplin - Grimes
Vlastuin - Rance - Houli
Ellis - Conca - Pick 11
Deledio - Griffiths - Knights
Pick 28 - Riewoldt - McBean
Vickery - Cotchin - Martin
Maric - Jackson - Foley - White (Sub)
No: Shaun Grigg - Shane Edwards - Jake King - Luke McGuane - Chris Newman - Ricky Petterd
I like the concept of riewoldt-vickery-griffiths-mcbean in the same team. You would expect one of those latter two would drop out if hamoson is selected.
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morris - chaplin - grimes
mcintosh - rance - helbig
deledio - adams - ellis
martin - riewoldt - knights
mcdonough - mcbean - longer
maric - vlastuin - cotchin
pick 25 quick skillful mid, arnot, conca, foley.
geez no grigg, houli, white, king,mcguane, edwards, petterd, newman who is past it, jackson vickery . thats a lot of regulars we need to upgrade on.
lots of work to be done at tiger land.
Few VERY wishfull entries there. The entire forward line have played 1 game between them up to this point. I think that's a 2016/18 lineup to be honest. Not that I dislike the look of it
there's players in there that aren't even on our list FFS
expect that crap from a 12yr old big footy poster
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Certainties - players which deliver a good standard most of the time and our team would be absolutely rubbish without
Cotchin
Martin
Deledio
Riewoldt
Rance
Houli
Maric
Vlastuin
Chaplin
More or less guaranteed a spot because we can't replace them
Newman
Jackson
Grigg
Conca
King
Foley
White
Grimes
Shedwards
Players which are on the fringe of becoming a permanent fixture in our starting 22
Knights
Petterd
Who I would like to force their way into the side and make players accountable for their performances
Arnot
McBean
Morris would be a certainity
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Certainties - players which deliver a good standard most of the time and our team would be absolutely rubbish without
Cotchin
Martin
Deledio
Riewoldt
Rance
Houli
Maric
Vlastuin
Chaplin
More or less guaranteed a spot because we can't replace them
Newman
Jackson
Grigg
Conca
King
Foley
White
Grimes
Shedwards
Players which are on the fringe of becoming a permanent fixture in our starting 22
Knights
Petterd
Who I would like to force their way into the side and make players accountable for their performances
Arnot
McBean
Morris would be a certainity
And in hindsight you would think our 2013 Jack Dyer Medallist might have a case to be considered a certainty! ;D
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FB - Grimes Rance Chaplin
HB - Morris Houli Vlastuin
C - Deledio Martin Ellis
HF - Knights Reiwoldt King
FF - Hampson Vickery S. Edwards
Foll - Maric Cotchin Conca
Int - Foley, Jackson, Newman Sub - Arnot
Love to see McBean break into the team around midyear barring injures and either our McDonough or McIntosh too if they earn it. Like Flossy, our Pick 12 will need to really prove themselves at VFL level to earn a call up as our depth gets stronger.
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My team is similar to Stripes with a couple of changes
FB - Griffith Rance Houli
HB - Morris Chaplin Grimes
C - Deledio Jackson Ellis
HF - Knights Reiwoldt Martin
FF - Hampson Vickery S. Edwards
Foll - Maric Cotchin Conca
Int - Foley, Vlastuin, Grigg Sub - Arnot
The holes are still there at Back Pocket, CHF, HFF and possibly Ruck.
The Back Pocket is interesting since I see it as an ultra-tall third back in reality minding the resting ruck (Hale, Vardy, Pike, Witt, Kreuzer, Ryder etc).
In that case we should be looking at someone of Griffith's size to compete, while he also has agility and a booming kick.
Grimes is not tall enough and I prefer him as the tall HBF who can play on smalls effectively. This releases Vlastuin to play in the on-ball rotations.
If Griffith is not capable there is an obvious alternative that everyone is overlooking and that is McBean.
While everyone is salivating over him as the only young tall we have who can regularly kick goals, he was drafted from juniors as a KPD/ruck.
He actually played a very good game against WA as CHB as noted by Jackson when we drafted him
At CHF we have no obvious choices since Jack is a dual Coleman winning FF and should play there IMO.
The only real reason to play Jack at CHF and Vickery at FF is really only a lack of alternatives and presumes that Maric and Hampson will both play ruck.
If Maric is as badly injured as I suspect then Hampson will be first ruck and Vickery will play the same stuff as usual.
This means that probably Elton or Griffith must play CHF and this is still a BIG stretch.
Jackson as the reigning Dyer medallist should be given due credit and played in the guts with Martin as the change off HFF.
If Knights comes back and plays as well as we expect then this removes King who IMO is past it as a starting small forward anyway.
Grigg will be in the on-ball rotations unless Hardwick has a major change of heart and this forces out Newman who I can't see as a member of the midfield rotations off the bench.
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Certainties - players which deliver a good standard most of the time and our team would be absolutely rubbish without
Cotchin
Martin
Deledio
Riewoldt
Rance
Houli
Maric
Vlastuin
Chaplin
More or less guaranteed a spot because we can't replace them
Newman
Jackson
Grigg
Conca
King
Foley
White
Grimes
Shedwards
Players which are on the fringe of becoming a permanent fixture in our starting 22
Knights
Petterd
Who I would like to force their way into the side and make players accountable for their performances
Arnot
McBean
Morris would be a certainity
And in hindsight you would think our 2013 Jack Dyer Medallist might have a case to be considered a certainty! ;D
Not necessarily.
The case could still be made his is in the bottom 6 on gameday.
Deledio - Cotchin - Martin - Vlastuin - Ellis - Conca - Reiwoldt - Maric - Rance - Vickery - Grimes - Chaplin - houli - #11
= 14
Arnot? Knights? Edwardsx2? - Foley? - Grigg? Pettard?
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his what is in the bottom six on gameday?
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My Round One team based on everyone to choose from and what they have said regarding Hampson starting 22. Newman will start in our best 22 as his still heart and soul of the club in the coaches eyes and wont get pushed out of the team that early. This may change later in season. I am hoping Mcbean comes in for a couple of games but he most likely won't be best 22 all season, just to develop and grow as a player and 2015 is his year to be best 22 with the likes of Edwards gone.
FB - Grimes Rance Morris
HB - Vlastuin Chaplin Houli
C - Jackson Martin Ellis
HF - Knights Reiwoldt Deledio
FF - Hampson Vickery S. Edwards
Foll - Maric Cotchin Conca
Int - Foley, King, Newman, Grigg
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his what is in the bottom six on gameday?
IMO Jackson is not the first name on the sheet
Do a ranking of our best/most important players. What number you have Jackson?
Forgot cannot ball morris, too
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Hmmmm.....
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Yeah got a pretty strong feeling that the B&F winner might just get a gig in the 22
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Yeah got a pretty strong feeling that the B&F winner might just get a gig in the 22
;D
He can feel it. That's good enough for me.
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morris - chaplin - grimes
mcintosh - rance - helbig
deledio - adams - ellis
martin - riewoldt - knights
mcdonough - mcbean - longer
maric - vlastuin - cotchin
pick 25 quick skillful mid, arnot, conca, foley.
geez no grigg, houli, white, king,mcguane, edwards, petterd, newman who is past it, jackson vickery . thats a lot of regulars we need to upgrade on.
lots of work to be done at tiger land.
Few VERY wishfull entries there. The entire forward line have played 1 game between them up to this point. I think that's a 2016/18 lineup to be honest. Not that I dislike the look of it
there's players in there that aren't even on our list FFS
expect that crap from a 12yr old big footy poster
you after a nibble bud. you better do better than that.
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Try one with hampson instead of longer
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Try one with hampson instead of longer
na im trying to keep the duds out of my best 22.
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Longer is superior to hampson, currently?
And yet u are willing to submit a 22 with longer as a starting 18 player
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My best 22 for next year-
Morris Chaplin Grimmes
Vlastuin Rance Houli
Conca Foley Jackson
Lids Vickory Knights
Hampson Jack S.Edwards
Maric Cotch Martin
Newman Ellis King/Arnot, McBean
Question marks -Houli, Knights, Hampson, King, S.Edwards
Possible replacements- Dea, McIntosh, McDonough, Pick 11
The small forward roll is a real concern, King, Knights, and S.Edwards are not the answer IMO, Chappy would be ideal for a couple of seasons.
Or do we take a risk and draft young Dayle Garlett? Or both?
King is just about done, Knights deserves a chance to show something, so for me I'd try to trade Shane. Maybe bundle him with our pick 11/12 for an upgrade in pick or Adams from GWS or for a second rounder that would get Garlett.
Also would like to replace Houli at some stage, we get good run from him and his spoiling effects were better this year but would love someone with more size and desperation.
I still think he is way to soft. Dea could be it but we loose a bit of rebound. Or do we bite the bullet and just sit Lids there? With Lids there, that a pretty solid back six.
What about McIntosh? Has anyone seen enough of him to call if he will be any good? And if so, what type of player is he? Could he take that HBF roll from Houli?
On paper, it not a bad side, but not a top four side IMO. If only we could get a few of our kids to stand up and maybe be a bit more daring in the next couple of weeks with trades we could maybe take the next step.
Offer up players like Edwards, Foley, Houli, Grigg, Batchelor, Astbury, Griffiths, Nahas, Helbig, you never know what might come back.
Be bold Tigers
So instead of the side above, how does this look with a few improvements-
Morris Chaplin Grimmes
Vlastuin Rance Lids
Conca Foley Jackson
Chappy Vickory Martin
Hampson Jack Garlett (second rounder draft pick from a trade for Houli)
Maric Cotch Adams (pick 11 and Edwards)
Newman Ellis Arnot McBean
So we loose S.Edwards and Houli and use pick 11 and a second round pick.
And gain Adams, Garlett and Chappy (free agent)
Thoughts??
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So -
What is best 22
Not for round one but finals or mid year
Why ?