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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 14, 2013, 12:51:57 PM
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The obligatory end of season poll ;D.
How did you rate our season all up?
What went right?
What went wrong?
Who surprised/stepped up this year?
Who disappointed?
etc...
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Disappointing end but darn good season with a relative young side still
Disappointd in all the Dr's on the forum that didn't hang around for the good times this year
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gave it a 9.
Finishing 5th was more than I expected. To lose in our 1st final was very disappointing especially to the cheats, but in hindsight that will probably be a good kick up the backside and will hurt more over preseason than if we had of won a final.
Most impressive was ALL of our top liners played below their best this season and we still improved significantly.
Massive off season coming up, hope we draft in a few more young mids, get an Adams or Longer type and keep improving as our young players get multiple preseasons under their belts
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8. -1 for the way we lost the final, wish we could of at least gone down swinging.
-1 for a couple of pathetic losses throughout the year
Other than that, we finished 5th with some great wins, a healthy percentage (best in years) and made the finals for the 1st time in 12 years, deserve a good rating.
Who's the nob that said 5 :lol (Looking at Tiga)
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How did you rate our season all up?
5
What went right?
West Coast, Adelaide, Fremantle were underdone when we played them. Played St Kilda and Western Bulldogs twice for easy wins.
Essendon offically a disgrace of a Football club.
What went wrong?
Game plan. Can not play four quarters against "good" teams. Hardwick has no Plan B. We have been exposed to our lack of run and carry from our midfield and have a disfunctional forward line thanks to the hopeless Mark Williams (not Choco). Our midfield provides no support for our defence.
Who surprised/stepped up this year?
Daniel Jackson
Brandon Ellis
Nick Vlastuin
Recee Conca
Matthew White
Steven Morris
Who disappointed?
Brett Deledio
Shaun Grigg
Jake King
Shane Edwards
Which coaching staff needs to go?
Mark Williams (Forward Coach: Danny Daly to go back into that role ASAP!)
Who needs GAME TIME to prove he belongs in the AFL?
Ben Griffiths
Liam McBean
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gave it an 8.
couldnt give it any less considering i thought finals only a slim chance and a big bonus if we did get there. so basically an 8 for the win loss column.
clearly there is plenty wrong and lots of work improvement needed.
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One word, amazing :shh
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I rated it 6 out of 10. Had a few blow out losses that we should not have had....
Right - When we took sides on it went right!!
Wrong - When we tried to play tempo footy it went wrong!!
Surprise - Jacko
Stepped Up - Bachar
Disappointed - Grimesy's injury, would have liked Titch in the forward line, only goals this year.
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It's an 8.
3 big positives for me.
Development of younger players - while not complete - is now tangible and materially helping the total team playing better football. The recruiting of our young talent is now having impact - each 1st round draft pick since 2006 is playing an important role in our starting 18, we've never had that since drafting began.
Players putting their role in the team ahead of individual contribution. It is still a work in progress but this is an aspect of our game which has improved.
IMV, the fact that we do not have any AA players is a positive because we are getting a good spread of contributors.
Defence conceding 3rd least points is significant. We keep this up and we play finals again. A great team effort overall and like them or not - Rance and Chaplain are the lynchpins with Stevie M and Bacher also making great contributions.
In terms of improvement for next year, I'd like to see our on field leaders get the team to lock down the game more effectively when the opposition kicks multiple goals. We are too susceptible to leaking 5 or more goals in quick succession.
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7/10
Right:
Showed our best football is very good. Some comprehensive wins against better-favoured teams, defence was fantastic, better spread of workload in the midfield and finishing 5th overall was great.
Wrong:
Forward line not looking potent enough. Jack whinging and an otherwise seriously bad lack of a power forward and a genuinely talented small forward. Must address this ASAP. Fortunately the midfield chipped in regularly to cover this deficit.
Impressed:
Ellis for running so hard, taking marks, making space and good kicking
Vlastuin for being a tough nut and his rebounding
Jackson for vindicating me because I like him as a player lol
Chaplin for being awesome usually
Morris for being awesome usually
Rance for being awesome usually except final VS Carlton and round 4
Houli had a great year IMO
Whitey also for vindicating me for my belief he can take it up a level
Disappointed:
Martin for allowing this contract poo to go all stuffing season basically.
Petterd for being weak/panicking/selfish/Dimma's fave
Deledio for still not shaking tags
Riewoldt for still sooking and not getting on with the job
Vickery for having a weak first half to the season. Redeemed himself somewhat
S Edwards for being a hack. Have never rated his 'elite skills'
Foley at times for butchering the ball but at least he's tough/brave
Grigg as usual for being soft and shirking the issue
Must fix:
Players must get fitter
Players must get stronger
No more skinny kids/pussies - tough people only
POWER FORWARD - been saying it all year. Somebody 190+ and 105kg or more
Another ruck - been saying all year we should chase Robbie Warnock.
A champion midfielder - the like of Judd/Goddard/Selwood who just refuse to accept defeat.
Contracts - stay firm. No paying overs
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All our players need to watch a tape of the Swans game last night. Their gut running with two players down was simply outstanding. Unless our guys are willing to put that sort of effort in week in week out then they are a waste of space. Show ponies (most will know who fall into this category) are not going to win premierships and the faster they are made aware of this (or traded/delisted) the better.
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One word, amazing :shh
reckon this is aimed at me.
amazing not really. if iwas to say we overachieved id be accused of being bitter or some such.
its simple i rate the list and still do despite 15 wins this yr as a list that is around 10th. yet we finished 5th how the hell do you criticise that.
i tell ya what bo i will bet we dont make the 8 next yr you bet we do. ive got another 50 bucks to go to the club if i lose.
just ask north wins in this competition dont mean a lot the next yr. yes we won 15 games next yr being honest we could win only 10 and play just as well.
theres so many areas of the list that we have to work on and if we fail well you have gone thru the last 30 yrs you know what happens.
the 9th placed side yes lets be honest carlton were the 9th placed side and they showed up the usual weaknesses in a big game.
reality says as well as they played at times this yr the likes of jackson king white grigg etc etc etc will not get us where we want to get.
personally i want to see a tun over of 10 all up it really isnt asking much.
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On one hand you tell us that the deeper you go into the draft, the harder it becomes to get quality, which is pretty obvious really, and that ii trading you have to give up quality to get quality, which again is correct.
Then, you turn around and say you want to get rid of 10 of the list ( aprox 1/4).
so how do you envisage replacing 10 blokes with upgrades in one hit?, considering these two points of yours?
surely you cant be expecting us to get 5 or 6 free agents?
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On one hand you tell us that the deeper you go into the draft, the harder it becomes to get quality, which is pretty obvious really, and that ii trading you have to give up quality to get quality, which again is correct.
Then, you turn around and say you want to get rid of 10 of the list ( aprox 1/4).
so how do you envisage replacing 10 blokes with upgrades in one hit?, considering these two points of yours?
surely you cant be expecting us to get 5 or 6 free agents?
I cracked up when he said to trade Vickers for pick 1 after he has put the boots into him all year
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On one hand you tell us that the deeper you go into the draft, the harder it becomes to get quality, which is pretty obvious really, and that ii trading you have to give up quality to get quality, which again is correct.
Then, you turn around and say you want to get rid of 10 of the list ( aprox 1/4).
so how do you envisage replacing 10 blokes with upgrades in one hit?, considering these two points of yours?
surely you cant be expecting us to get 5 or 6 free agents?
oh dear wasnt i arguing that we need to use 3rd round picks. amazing how you can take one comment and place it out of context.yes the very obvious comment was made that it gets harder to find good players the later the draft but the 3rd round was worth staying in. i think i said it was fraught with danger to forgo 3rd rnd picks as some wee espousing.
geez it seems im going to have to keep things real simple when commening around here.
we use 4 nd picks 11, 28, 46, 64,id like us to trade into an earlier one if possible a pick from 20 to 30 would be ideal. we will use three nd picks no matter what.
the nd is obviously all about developing players and looking to the long term.
every club will use possibly 4 nd picks or take a minimum 4 juniors one way or another. it aint hard to see or figure.
to use those 4 nd picks we will do what is obvious delist/trade/retire the following
tuck - retired
nahas - hack
derickx - has to be gone.
mcguane - another long term hack. what do we lose if we are honest absolutely nothing.
then once again do what we have done in the past target a f/a plus try to do a trade. and ffs this time around look at some of the very good state league players running around. easy enough to find two decent players this way.
so thats two more from the list proper take your pick theres an awful lot who to date have done nothing or are very limited
king,white griffiths, dea helbig batchelor edwards ohanlon must all be very much under pressure to keep their spots.
thats 6 how hard would it be to cut rookies like
petterd - bloody hell what a hack.
verrier - cant kick,
sam lonergan - is clearly not up to afl standard with pace skills and decion making hes another hack.
stephenson - if we get a decent back up onto the list.
mate dont kid yourself all up we could easily cut 8 or 10 players and not blink.
ask yourself apart from the odd game what real contribution did any of the players mentioned above make to our season. simply put we have to be better than them
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The question isn't who do we cut, it was how do we upgrade on all of them in one go. Unless we trade these hacks for decent players or picks, which won't happen because they're hacks ::)
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On one hand you tell us that the deeper you go into the draft, the harder it becomes to get quality, which is pretty obvious really, and that ii trading you have to give up quality to get quality, which again is correct.
Then, you turn around and say you want to get rid of 10 of the list ( aprox 1/4).
so how do you envisage replacing 10 blokes with upgrades in one hit?, considering these two points of yours?
surely you cant be expecting us to get 5 or 6 free agents?
I cracked up when he said to trade Vickers for pick 1 after he has put the boots into him all year
geez so now if you dont rate a player that player musnt have any sort of currency or ability. thats a very limited and blinkered point of view.if clubs had that view there would never ever be a trade completed. i wonder which one of us is being a tad silly and who should be having a giggle.
with that way of thinking im wondering how the tambling deal got done. pick 27 for a bloke who had done nothing was achieved. i suppose with your logic we may as well have not asked at all and just delisted him.
i may criticise vickery and rightly so. he lives off the potential tag still.
im not silly enough to say he has no talent or no possible upside. ive never ever called for him to be cut from the list. ive done nothing but point out flaws in areas of his game and people like you get up in arms about it. but hey why would i expect you to acknowledge that your only here to point score if you can. its like dont you dare criticise our players if you do im going to try and cut you down.
my reckoning has never been more than, vickery wont become the player you and most others expect him to become. as such to me hes tradeable. we should trade him if possible before clubs discover what his true worth is. and some how you translate that to he has no value and no possible upside.unbelievable.
gws have said they want good experienced players with upside. they need ruckmen im sure vickery at 23, with 80 games would be closely looked at by them.
he may not get pick 1 but hey why not ask. rather than being so literal heres one for ya how about vickery for adams straight swap. that would be a win win imo. id still start by asking for pick 1 though.
another option would be a straight swap with brisbane for longer. we get a player who will definately be able to play 1st ruck and bring mcbean into our team and they get a player capable of complimenting leuenberger as a stuff. that is if they rate vickery at all.
just one question but i dont think you will answer regardless. my opinion on where vickery is at aside what do you think vickery will fetch on the open market. if we put him up for trade.
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How we handle the offseason and the draft may be more critical to us making the 8. I'll reserve my judgement till after free agency, trade week and the November ND. :thumbsup
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The question isn't who do we cut, it was how do we upgrade on all of them in one go. Unless we trade these hacks for decent players or picks, which won't happen because they're hacks ::)
are you serious. its not about upgrading immediately. besides you said it we cut hacks and try someone else can we do worse.your in the wrong caper mate if you want guaranntees.
so you want to turn a debate about the nd into a debate about upgrades. is any kid we draft ever really an upgrade no they are taken on potential. no draft trade period is totally about upgrades its mostly about kids, long term development potential and addressing holes in the list.. are you asking me to use all our nd picks on mature players because you want guaranteed upgrades. you do realise how silly and unrealistic that is.
sheesh to upgrade on any player you first have to cut em. :o of course its about who we cut and who how we replace em.
so if i dont name whos to be cut who do you want me to upgrade on exactly. ::)
a question?? was vlastuin mcintosh mcdonough and mcbean expected to be immediate upgrades when we drafted them or were they to be long term development prospects who may or may not make it. are you suggesting we dont participate in the nd at all because any pick we take may not make it and may not become an upgrade. lol.
any nd pick we use is based on potential so lets not use em.are you really saying/asking me not look to the long term at all with some picks, because they are based on potential and may not become upgrades. bloody hell that is some ask..
if you think the nd is about now your crazy. what you are asking is i replace 8 10 players with mature players only. you know as well as i thats not how it works.
do you want to be realistic and reasonable here or just plain stupid.
i also ask are you saying we cant draft a kid in the nd with more potential than nahas mcguane, derickx, tuckys retired he frees up a spot anyway.
pick 11 = tuck is that an upgrade. potentially yes
pick 28 mcguane is that an upgrade potentially it should be
pick 46 nahas is that an upgrade can we pick a worse skilled player
pick 64 derickx. is that an upgrade 2 games in 3 yrs bloody hell. id use those 4 nd picks every day of the week.they should be used but will they amount to anything are they definate upgrades.
jolly would be an upgrade over any of the players ive mentioned theres a psd pick rookie pick or very late nd pick.
surely if we go into free agency we are targeting an upgrade.
if we trade surely we trade to fix a problem. would lycett for conca address a need and be an upgrade on stephenson and derickx?
again i ask what did all of nahas, mcguane, derickx, petterd lonergan, stephenson, dea batchelor, griffiths ohanlon s edwards verrier darrou contribute to our season. whats that stuff all and you are saying we should not try to replace em. if we cant do better we will be mired mid table for ever and a day.
with so many ordinary underperformers on the list im gobsmacked we won 15 games.
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Can you please quote me when I said immediate? Fact is you'd be lucky to get upgrade all of 6 players let alone 10
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Can you please quote me when I said immediate? Fact is you'd be lucky to get upgrade all of 6 players let alone 10
oh dear its like pulling teeth and not worth the hassle.
lets just agree to disagree.
my stance is we can do no worse and have every chance with picks 11 28 46 and 64 of upgrading on 11 tuck retired, 28 mcguane, 46 nahas, and 64 derickx. we surely couldnt draft less skilled players.
my stance is i reckon we could easily cover 2 others like dea batchelor king lonergan stephenson s edwards ohanlon petterd darrou etc etc in free agency and thru trades.
my stance is we lose nothing by cutting unskilled rookies like lonergan petterd verrier and replacing them with mature players from state leagues, or kids who actually meet the required skill standards to play at the level.
for me its simple
use 4 nd picks.
take a need in f/a if possible,
trade for a need if possible
that means cutting up to 6 from the list proper. we can cut 6 and and not lose a thing with every chance of gaining.
cut 3 or rookies who have shocking skills and replace em with blokes who have the minimum skill requirements to play at the level
we obviously disagree and like i said we will just have to agree to disagree. thats fine im happy with my opinion on the matter and will continue at every opportunity to voice it.
i at least have an opinion on what should be done and voice it. unlike most on here who only criticise or try to belittle others for having an opinion.
it would be interesting to find out just how many nd picks you think we should use. how many rookies we cut and if we should try for a free agent and trade for a need.
at the end of the day duds are duds making an attempt to get better players and failing is better than doing nothing. just my opinion.
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it is like pulling teeth isnt it claw?
lets keep it concise
you cut 10 players in one hit, how do we upgrade them in one go?
simple question, how about a simple answer?