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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 21, 2013, 08:39:50 PM
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Francis Jackson on SEN just now:
Lennon - We are very pleased. Very nervous waiting for the picks before to pan out. Rate Lennon highly and spent a week with us. Lids texted FJ to draft Lennon.
Gordon - played senior footy for North Adelaide. Very good work ethic. Connection with Gordon via Shane Edwards' dad so we tracked him.
Lloyd - kicked 100 goals for Deniliquin three years ago. Then played for Mt Eliza where FJ watched him. Then moved to Frankston and impressed there. Smart footballer.
We'll meet tomorrow about the rookie draft and there's still capable players available. We'll have 3 rookie picks.
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WTF! What are we doing? Drafting recycled and aged recruit in the main draft?
Rookie draft maybe, pre season draft much better but national draft, that's where you draft kids. At first look its looks like the clubs gone nuts!
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Topping up
Locked and loaded
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FJ has gone completely mad this year. IMHO. Effectively we have recruited 1 kid this year in lennon. 1 recycled in gordon, 1 older player in Lloyd and 1 structural player in Hampson.
This years recruiting is dooming our future years to having an age gap in the list, such as Wallace inherited and also left behind. Madness!. We will be St Kilda esque in a few years if they keep doing this, age heavy and destined to bring up the bottom of the ladder.
This is so like the Frawley years recruiting.
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Yep let's take 18yo players we don't rate over players we rate. Lmao draft time. Always a laugh.
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In a few years these guys will all be early to late 20's IE in their prime simultaneously. Good drafting IMO.
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In a few years these guys will all be early to late 20's IE in their prime simultaneously. Good drafting IMO.
Bro, they're just forward pockets ffs
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FJ has gone completely mad this year. IMHO. Effectively we have recruited 1 kid this year in lennon. 1 recycled in gordon, 1 older player in Lloyd and 1 structural player in Hampson.
This years recruiting is dooming our future years to having an age gap in the list, such as Wallace inherited and also left behind. Madness!. We will be St Kilda esque in a few years if they keep doing this, age heavy and destined to bring up the bottom of the ladder.
This is so like the Frawley years recruiting.
12-15 years from now we are screwed. Screwed I tell thee!
(Lennon vlastuin Ellis conca martin etc.)
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Yep let's take 18yo players we don't rate over players we rate. Lmao draft time. Always a laugh.
you know as well as anyone how hard ive pushed the mature recruit state league barrow 2011. but people have a pretty valid point imo. there was some pretty decent picks to be had at pick 50 at least.
1st 2nd and 3rd rounds are for kids. having traded out of the second rnd id have thought our 3rd rounder pick 50 had to go to a kid.
mature recruits are great imo but its always been about where you take em. some would argue pick 50 onwards is late enough but this yr i disagree.
i really believe the two players we took at 50 and 66 would have been available to us in the rookie draft.
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Jackson clearly just gets out the dartboard after round one of the draft.
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In a few years these guys will all be early to late 20's IE in their prime simultaneously. Good drafting IMO.
Bro, they're just forward pockets ffs
Well Lennon will possibly end up being a mid-sized forward/mid. And they've grabbed some small forwards. And Hampson for ruck/KPF.
IMO that's addressing our current needs.
What did you want, another KPD?
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Yep let's take 18yo players we don't rate over players we rate. Lmao draft time. Always a laugh.
you know as well as anyone how hard ive pushed the mature recruit state league barrow 2011. but people have a pretty valid point imo. there was some pretty decent picks to be had at pick 50 at least.
1st 2nd and 3rd rounds are for kids. having traded out of the second rnd id have thought our 3rd rounder pick 50 had to go to a kid.
mature recruits are great imo but its always been about where you take em. some would argue pick 50 onwards is late enough but this yr i disagree.
i really believe the two players we took at 50 and 66 would have been available to us in the rookie draft.
What you believe and what would actually happen are 2 completely different things.
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FJ has gone completely mad this year. IMHO. Effectively we have recruited 1 kid this year in lennon. 1 recycled in gordon, 1 older player in Lloyd and 1 structural player in Hampson.
This years recruiting is dooming our future years to having an age gap in the list, such as Wallace inherited and also left behind. Madness!. We will be St Kilda esque in a few years if they keep doing this, age heavy and destined to bring up the bottom of the ladder.
This is so like the Frawley years recruiting.
I see what you are saying but I also agree with tigs2011. Draft best available at those late picks regardless of age.
Next years draft is supposedly very good so not taking heaps of 18 year olds this draft can be fixed pretty easily next year with more decent kids available. And best of all we have only given a few 'border line' players 1 year contracts so if they don't work out next year we will have plenty of room to draft 3, 4, 5, 6 kids.
Well played Tigers!
My biggest concern is we haven't drafted any decent GENUINE mids in the last 4 years with our first picks. Kids that just rack up kicks week in week out at there level. IMO Cotch is our only decent genuine mid on our list. All the rest are half forwards, wingman or half backs first and midfielders second.
Our second tire midfield is coming together nicely with the likes of Dusty, Conca and Vlastuin but to be top four our starting midfield needs some adding too.
Pick 12 IMO would have been a great place to start.
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Richmond
"We scanned the pool and ranked the players and felt perhaps this draft wasn't all that deep, so we did look at a few experienced players consequently. It wasn't specific we'd go for mature-aged but we felt the draft dropped off a fair bit and obviously we didn't have a second round pick in trading for Shaun Hampson so with those back-end picks, we were looking for players who could compete and are perhaps ready to go." – Francis Jackson, recruiting manager
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-21/2013-draft-what-the-clubs-said#tigers
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FJ has gone completely mad this year. IMHO. Effectively we have recruited 1 kid this year in lennon. 1 recycled in gordon, 1 older player in Lloyd and 1 structural player in Hampson.
This years recruiting is dooming our future years to having an age gap in the list, such as Wallace inherited and also left behind. Madness!. We will be St Kilda esque in a few years if they keep doing this, age heavy and destined to bring up the bottom of the ladder.
This is so like the Frawley years recruiting.
How dare you challenge the merit of fj s selections. This pool only ran 12 deep after that it was anyone's. How on earth we managed to snaffle a couple of rare talents is a credit to our team and my feet still haven't touched the ground with our warehouse chokkas with some of the best talent in the land, :shh
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Basing your draft strategy & picks on what might happen in the next year's draft is idiotic IMO.
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Not completely
You need a long term view
For example if there is a apparently strong group of tall prospects in the following years draft pool, the club shouldn't simply ignore this information
this would be rather short sited and poor list management
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Mr magic looks 15 years ahead - hence we need to trade Lids and Cotch now as they will be too old when we challenge
foresight :bow
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Basing your draft strategy & picks on what might happen in the next year's draft is idiotic IMO.
Not having a strategy about future drafts and list management is idiotic.
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VIDEO: Francis Jackson's review of the 2013 National Draft ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-11-21/2013-draft-jacksons-review
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Basing your draft strategy & picks on what might happen in the next year's draft is idiotic IMO.
Not having a strategy about future drafts and list management is idiotic.
It's not a rebuild anymore - and anyway why would would you say f.e. "well we won't get the pace we badly need this year because there'll be better quick players next year - and we're sure that X number of blokes we only gave one year contracts to for next year won't make it so we'll have the space''
How do we even know where we'll finish and what picks we'll have? Can we foresee things like form & injuries or which players might want to leave? The same goes for the kids that will be there next year - how do you know what happen with them this year? Some might go backwards, some might get injured, some could quit the sport altogether. Don't be surprised if next year's supposedly "super draft" is only rated as average by the time it rolls around. Happens nearly every year.
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Marsh would need to increase his beep test almost 60% to even be fit enough to be a midfielder. Then magically grow some balls and a heart.
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Marsh would need to increase his beep test almost 60% to even be fit enough to be a midfielder. Then magically grow some balls and a heart.
Lack of balls & heart is often the trade off with genuine speedsters - better a flashy linebreaker to have that issue than a mediocre plodding footsoldier like Shaun Grigg.
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Marsh would need to increase his beep test almost 60% to even be fit enough to be a midfielder. Then magically grow some balls and a heart.
Lack of balls & heart is often the trade off with genuine speedsters - better a flashy linebreaker to have that issue than a mediocre plodding footsoldier like Shaun Grigg.
and a guy with one of the worst beep tests going around and doesn't actually play midfield is going to do this? Gordon and Lloyd are both quick and can actually kick a footy and aren't soft as butter. But yeah we picked the wrong guys lol
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kicking not the best either
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kicking not the best either
that would have been pointed out if richmond picked him I'm sure.
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Marsh would need to increase his beep test almost 60% to even be fit enough to be a midfielder. Then magically grow some balls and a heart.
Lack of balls & heart is often the trade off with genuine speedsters - better a flashy linebreaker to have that issue than a mediocre plodding footsoldier like Shaun Grigg.
and a guy with one of the worst beep tests going around and doesn't actually play midfield is going to do this? Gordon and Lloyd are both quick and can actually kick a footy and aren't soft as butter. But yeah we picked the wrong guys lol
Funny stuff. Sure they both would've been snapped up if we hadn't taken them. FJ panicking again and paying overs for blokes we probably could've rookied.
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kicking not the best either
that would have been pointed out if richmond picked him I'm sure.
no doubt :laugh:
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Kicking need that great for a late pick that would've effectively replaced White....a player hardly known for his awesome disposal....
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took white 8 years to work out how to play his role... cbf waiting that long
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Marsh would need to increase his beep test almost 60% to even be fit enough to be a midfielder. Then magically grow some balls and a heart.
Lack of balls & heart is often the trade off with genuine speedsters - better a flashy linebreaker to have that issue than a mediocre plodding footsoldier like Shaun Grigg.
and a guy with one of the worst beep tests going around and doesn't actually play midfield is going to do this? Gordon and Lloyd are both quick and can actually kick a footy and aren't soft as butter. But yeah we picked the wrong guys lol
Going by the vision Lloyd and Gordon dont look quick at all.
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Marsh would need to increase his beep test almost 60% to even be fit enough to be a midfielder. Then magically grow some balls and a heart.
lol when all else fails attack the kids.
okay if not marsh why not james sicily. oh i know why hes a total hack as well.not according to others.
i think the point is being missed anyway. we took just one kid in the entire trade nd period. we saw fit to use picks on mature players who would almost certainly have been there later rather than use it or them on a kid.
they are amateurs down there thats for sure.
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Gotta attack the kids 1500 people nominated
Most of them will fail. Only so many picks
Hence to discuss the weakness of them is only natural.
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Marsh would need to increase his beep test almost 60% to even be fit enough to be a midfielder. Then magically grow some balls and a heart.
Lack of balls & heart is often the trade off with genuine speedsters - better a flashy linebreaker to have that issue than a mediocre plodding footsoldier like Shaun Grigg.
and a guy with one of the worst beep tests going around and doesn't actually play midfield is going to do this? Gordon and Lloyd are both quick and can actually kick a footy and aren't soft as butter. But yeah we picked the wrong guys lol
Going by the vision Lloyd and Gordon dont look quick at all.
Neither possess anything like the genuine linebreaking pace we require, that's for sure.
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Going by the vision Lloyd and Gordon dont look quick at all.
Should watch more than a few clips.
lol when all else fails attack the kids.
okay if not marsh why not james sicily. oh i know why hes a total hack as well.not according to others.
i think the point is being missed anyway. we took just one kid in the entire trade nd period. we saw fit to use picks on mature players who would almost certainly have been there later rather than use it or them on a kid.
they are amateurs down there thats for sure.
I've said all along I don't rate Marsh. I had him down in the 70's in my rankings below Gordon/Lloyd. Sicily I don't mind. But he's also scared to win a hard ball and has shaky kicking. Good mark for a skinny little fella though.
Templeton is the one I don't understand people overlooking. Has me baffled.
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I actually dont really care if they quick or not. I dont see them as being quick from the limited vision I seen. I only wanted us to make sure we got a good pick 12. I wasnt expecting anything else and if gordon or lloyd come good I would consider that a huge unexpected bonus. My view on Marsh is that he had enough of a base to try and develop him. Collingwood will make him a player IMHO.
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I actually dont really care if they quick or not. I dont see them as being quick from the limited vision I seen. I only wanted us to make sure we got a good pick 12. I wasnt expecting anything else and if gordon or lloyd come good I would consider that a huge unexpected bonus. My view on Marsh is that he had enough of a base to try and develop him. Collingwood will make him a player IMHO.
He couldn't have landed in a better situation to make it. I don't rate him but Collingwood will get the best out of him. I don't think Freeman could have landed in a better situation either. He needs a lot of development and he will get that.
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VIDEO: Francis Jackson's review of the 2013 National Draft ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-11-21/2013-draft-jacksons-review
Summary
* Did the National Draft go to plan?
Just about! You hope it all goes to plan. There were some very nervous moments before our first pick because we weren’t sure if West Coast were going to pick Ben. So I was sweating on the number that they actually read out. It never goes 100% to plan but not far from it.
* Ben Lennon?
It’s very exciting having Ben at the footy club. He spent his AIS week with us early in the year which gives us just a little bit more information about him. We saw how he reacted in a few situations. A number of [our] players rated him highly. They were texting me to make sure we got Ben so that was very interesting. Ben provides a lot of class and he’s a very smart player. He sees the footy really well, is strong overhead and a terrific kick. He played a little bit more of a midfield role towards the back end of the year so we think he has a lot of versatility. His footy smarts are really exciting.
* Nathan Gordon?
We had been tracking Nathan all year at North Adelaide. He's a mature player from the SANFL. He had a fabulous finals series for North Adelaide, who played off in the grand final. He’s a very strong competitive player with a wonderful work ethic, got terrific endurance, and he competes well and is a strong mark as well. We think he may be able to play a midfield role. He played a little mid role early on in the year but predominantly played as a forward.
* Sam Lloyd?
Sam is an old-fashioned, very intelligent, very smart footballer. He’d be very difficult to play on because he can hurt you in so many different ways. He’s an outstanding mark. We tracked Sam for two years. We went and watched him last year playing for Mt Eliza in the Morning Peninsula league and then he made the commitment to Frankston. He had a full pre-season there and kicked a lot of goals in the VFL. He actually represented Victoria against WA where he kicked 4 goals. He’s really worked hard on his fitness and he’s got some real talent.
* Rookie Draft?
We’ll meet early in the morning and have a look at our rookie options. Quite a few players, who we anticipated might have been chosen tonight, missed out. We’ve still got a fair bit of work to go with three rookie picks but we’re excited to look forward to what other talent we can bring to the Club.
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Go birdman u good thing
Change your name son :clapping
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VIDEO: Francis Jackson's review of the 2013 National Draft ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-11-21/2013-draft-jacksons-review
Summary
* Did the National Draft go to plan?
Just about! You hope it all goes to plan. There were some very nervous moments before our first pick because we weren’t sure if West Coast were going to pick Ben. So I was sweating on the number that they actually read out. It never goes 100% to plan but not far from it.
* Ben Lennon?
It’s very exciting having Ben at the footy club. He spent his AIS week with us early in the year which gives us just a little bit more information about him. We saw how he reacted in a few situations. A number of [our] players rated him highly. They were texting me to make sure we got Ben so that was very interesting. Ben provides a lot of class and he’s a very smart player. He sees the footy really well, is strong overhead and a terrific kick. He played a little bit more of a midfield role towards the back end of the year so we think he has a lot of versatility. His footy smarts are really exciting.
* Nathan Gordon?
We had been tracking Nathan all year at North Adelaide. He's a mature player from the SANFL. He had a fabulous finals series for North Adelaide, who played off in the grand final. He’s a very strong competitive player with a wonderful work ethic, got terrific endurance, and he competes well and is a strong mark as well. We think he may be able to play a midfield role. He played a little mid role early on in the year but predominantly played as a forward.
* Sam Lloyd?
Sam is an old-fashioned, very intelligent, very smart footballer. He’d be very difficult to play on because he can hurt you in so many different ways. He’s an outstanding mark. We tracked Sam for two years. We went and watched him last year playing for Mt Eliza in the Morning Peninsula league and then he made the commitment to Frankston. He had a full pre-season there and kicked a lot of goals in the VFL. He actually represented Victoria against WA where he kicked 4 goals. He’s really worked hard on his fitness and he’s got some real talent.
* Rookie Draft?
We’ll meet early in the morning and have a look at our rookie options. Quite a few players, who we anticipated might have been chosen tonight, missed out. We’ve still got a fair bit of work to go with three rookie picks but we’re excited to look forward to what other talent we can bring to the Club.
lol if the plan was to take just one kid in the draft im against it.
Ben Lennon - as if wce were going to take lennon in front of sheed. going by this they had tunnel vision and were taking lennon no matter what. id have dom sheed every time.if wce had taken acres does that mean we would have passed on sheed . woud we have even looked.
Nathan Gordon - again it seems they had tunnell vision. watched him all yr and just had to take him reaching for a mature player who we could have taken later.we have done this a fair bit over the yrs. dea, conca, batchelor, jon, are just a few that spring to mind where they have watched em and just had to have em.
Sam Lloyd - a sml forward at 66 probably a fair enough selection to take mature player at this point.
Ricky Petterd - did we really need to promote this below standard player. it cost us any chance of tweaking things if we wished.
Rookie draft - so from the horses mouth there were quite a few players who they anticipated might have been chosen still there. so in fact according to our club there was talent available perhaps this will put paid to the no decent kids horse poo comments that the defenders of all things richmond put out there.
i have a question for the club.
why were we the only club in the nd period to only take one kid. every other club saw fit to take as a minimum 2 kids and that included clubs with sanctions,
there was just 5 live picks used on mature players one of em was a 21yo in lobb at pick 29. another was dayle garlett a 20yo at pick 38.
no club apart from richmond took mature players after pick 42 with a live pick where wb took matt fuller a 23 yr old with sublime footskills. they also took honeychurch at 66 a 18yo.
all other clubs after pick 42 who had live picks were still targeting kids. it seems none were interested in mature types. except to elevate the ones they already had.
if we knew we were going to take mature players at 50 and 66 did we make an attempt to gain another pick in the 40 55 range. i dont think so.
again to finish im not against the lads we picked but i do question useing just one nd pick on kids. im happy we could give some state league boys a go rather than the other clubs reject players with chronic weakness and poor performance route that we usually take.
my criticism is not just about the nd but the whole trade and nd period. with just a little tweaking over the entire period we really should have had 2 or 3 18 yr olds plus the mature players we have taken.
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My guess is they've seen an imbalance in the age breakdown of the list and attempted to fill it. For the last 4 years they have focused on getting the list breakdown correct so with losing mcguane, white, derickx etc they have sewn that side of things up. I don't believe for a second the club would go back to the bad old days and jeopardise its future by just loading up and forgetting about kids. Not saying I disagree with your arguments claw, think you make a valid point but while the club continues to improve under the current watch I am going to trust their judgement on this one
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Claw, who said Gordon was the only player we were tracking, could have been tracking 10 and the other 9 were taken , a fairly simple minded assumption he was the only player in Australia we were following ::)
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Claw, who said Gordon was the only player we were tracking, could have been tracking 10 and the other 9 were taken , a fairly simple minded assumption he was the only player in Australia we were following ::)
Spot on. It's exactly what happened to. More than 10 as well. :whistle
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Claw, who said Gordon was the only player we were tracking, could have been tracking 10 and the other 9 were taken , a fairly simple minded assumption he was the only player in Australia we were following ::)
Spot on. It's exactly what happened to. More than 10 as well. :whistle
My ever reliable sources mentioned a number of 20
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Claw, who said Gordon was the only player we were tracking, could have been tracking 10 and the other 9 were taken , a fairly simple minded assumption he was the only player in Australia we were following ::)
Spot on. It's exactly what happened to. More than 10 as well. :whistle
My ever reliable sources mentioned a number of 20
Roughly. Knowing a lot would obviously be gone.
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Claw, who said Gordon was the only player we were tracking, could have been tracking 10 and the other 9 were taken , a fairly simple minded assumption he was the only player in Australia we were following ::)
Spot on. It's exactly what happened to. More than 10 as well. :whistle
My ever reliable sources mentioned a number of 20
Incorrect. They were tracking 80 players and have stated this previously. Obviously not all would have been picked as we only had 3 live picks. Nonetheless they ranked 80 players and so that's the number they were tracking.
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Claw, who said Gordon was the only player we were tracking, could have been tracking 10 and the other 9 were taken , a fairly simple minded assumption he was the only player in Australia we were following ::)
Spot on. It's exactly what happened to. More than 10 as well. :whistle
My ever reliable sources mentioned a number of 20
Incorrect. They were tracking 80 players and have stated this previously. Obviously not all would have been picked as we only had 3 live picks. Nonetheless they ranked 80 players and so that's the number they were tracking.
On the telecast, FJ had a reasonably lengthy list that he was marking off with a pink highlighter. By the time we got to our last pick the page was more pink than white.
We had performed a substantial amount of analysis by the time we got to the draft and had a clear understanding of where each draft hopeful stood in our rankings.
The reason our picks did not take long to call out is because most of the discussion had been done earlier and everyone on our table was basically on the same page.
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should have been using a yellow highlighter not a pink one :banghead
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should have been using a yellow highlighter not a pink one :banghead
The pink Highlighter was appropriately identifying 'squibs'
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what makes it worse was the yellow one was available but they had already decided on the pink one :banghead
FFS the pink one would have still been sitting on the table at the rookie draft, no-one likes pink :banghead
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My daughter liked it. :-[
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what makes it worse was the yellow one was available but they had already decided on the pink one :banghead
FFS the pink one would have still been sitting on the table at the rookie draft, no-one likes pink :banghead
Yes big man :clapping
Heard he has a few off-field issues though and probably needed a year in the WAFL. :banghead :banghead
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what makes it worse was the yellow one was available but they had already decided on the pink one :banghead
FFS the pink one would have still been sitting on the table at the rookie draft, no-one likes pink :banghead
Yes big man :clapping
Heard he has a few off-field issues though and probably needed a year in the WAFL. :banghead :banghead
:lol Someone told him to go home and dry up! This is good for an aspiring young footballer with a drinking problem but not so good for a highlighter.
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i'd just like to highlight that i'm not against using pink highlighters, but only using a pink highlighter when it was pretty obvious it would still be there for the rookie draft and there were so many other colours still available that the other clubs didn't rate is unacceptable
could have even used blue instead we pass it up and leave it for carlton :banghead
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what makes it worse was the yellow one was available but they had already decided on the pink one :banghead
FFS the pink one would have still been sitting on the table at the rookie draft, no-one likes pink :banghead
Yes big man :clapping
Heard he has a few off-field issues though and probably needed a year in the WAFL. :banghead :banghead
:lol Someone told him to go home and dry up! This is good for and aspiring young footballer with a drinking problem but not so good for a highlighter.
:lol :lol :lol
I heard it was Dodoro the Dildo. Geez that bloke has no idea. Strong highlighter draft and he takes 2 of those little Sharpie ones. ::)
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i'd just like to highlight that i'm not against using pink highlighters, but only using a pink highlighter when it was pretty obvious it would still be there for the rookie draft and there were so many other colours still available that the other clubs didn't rate is unacceptable
could have even used blue instead we pass it up and leave it for carlton :banghead
Thank god it went to Carlton. Mick will throw it out the window when the Ferals belt them again.
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Black Highlighters are pretty effective also. CIA use them all the time so they can't be that bad.....
Selection #50....player number..... WTF????? Oh just give us Taylor Petrenko!
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Black Highlighters are pretty effective also. CIA use them all the time so they can't be that bad.....
Selection #50....player number..... WTF????? Oh just give us Taylor Petrenko!
Did Taylor get picked up on Thrsday or is he waiting for Wednesday. Geez I hope gets picked up. More talent than a retirement village woah. :shh
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Black Highlighters are pretty effective also. CIA use them all the time so they can't be that bad.....
Selection #50....player number..... WTF????? Oh just give us Taylor Petrenko!
Did Taylor get picked up on Thrsday or is he waiting for Wednesday. Geez I hope gets picked up. More talent than a retirement village woah. :shh
tigs The waters are very muddy over whether he is still contracted to Norf or not. Apparently his legal team is debating that a signature in crayon is not legally binding and that he is free to take his place in the rookie draft but Norf have declared that they sign all their contracts in Crayon! So this is a watershed moment for them for if it is found that Crayon signatures are not legal then All Norf contracts are null and void.
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Black Highlighters are pretty effective also. CIA use them all the time so they can't be that bad.....
Selection #50....player number..... WTF????? Oh just give us Taylor Petrenko!
Did Taylor get picked up on Thrsday or is he waiting for Wednesday. Geez I hope gets picked up. More talent than a retirement village woah. :shh
tigs The waters are very muddy over whether he is still contracted to Norf or not. Apparently his legal team is debating that a signature in crayon is not legally binding and that he is free to take his place in the rookie draft but Norf have declared that they sign all their contracts in Crayon! So this is a watershed moment for them for if it is found that Crayon signatures are not legal then All Norf contracts are null and void.
If Norf want to do contracts in Crayon they should bloody well highlight that clause in the contract. :banghead Preferably in Pink. :shh
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Black Highlighters are pretty effective also. CIA use them all the time so they can't be that bad.....
Selection #50....player number..... WTF????? Oh just give us Taylor Petrenko!
Did Taylor get picked up on Thrsday or is he waiting for Wednesday. Geez I hope gets picked up. More talent than a retirement village woah. :shh
tigs The waters are very muddy over whether he is still contracted to Norf or not. Apparently his legal team is debating that a signature in crayon is not legally binding and that he is free to take his place in the rookie draft but Norf have declared that they sign all their contracts in Crayon! So this is a watershed moment for them for if it is found that Crayon signatures are not legal then All Norf contracts are null and void.
If Norf want to do contracts in Crayon they should bloody well highlight that clause in the contract. :banghead Preferably in Pink. :shh
:lol I've got this strange urge to head to a newsagents and colour my world for some reason...
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Black Highlighters are pretty effective also. CIA use them all the time so they can't be that bad.....
Selection #50....player number..... WTF????? Oh just give us Taylor Petrenko!
Did Taylor get picked up on Thrsday or is he waiting for Wednesday. Geez I hope gets picked up. More talent than a retirement village woah. :shh
I heard he went to Manly for ~$450k? :whistle
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Claw, who said Gordon was the only player we were tracking, could have been tracking 10 and the other 9 were taken , a fairly simple minded assumption he was the only player in Australia we were following ::)
no one not even me. they took gordon at 50 because they thought someone else might take him when clearly this was not likely. i always thought you take kids with your better picks and mature types with with basically nothing picks unless they are are outstanding.it does look like every other club has followed this rule. no matter how well state league players have performed the vast majority have been taken way past pick 50 usually in the rookie draft.
in essence what are we arguing about here.
i wanted us to actually take at the minimum 2 kids ideally 3 with picks 12 and 50 possibly 66 after trading for a 26 yo with pick 32.
im certain it would have been possible to achieve
12 lennon, 50 sicily/templeton/marsh. 66 templeton marsh darcy. id be happy with anyone of them. then at 78 gordon. 88 lloyd.
or another way
12 lennon, 50 gordon, 66 marsh, 78 templeton, 88 lloyd. people dont get it its the overall process.
i had a mate ring me up today a wce supporter and he asked. were you happy with who you took??. i said yes and no. he asked what do you mean. and i explained we took just one kid in the trade nd period and he was totally gobsmacked.
i dont know about others but i remember 1995 clearly and 2001. we made finals both yrs had high finishes but a blind man could see the lists on both occasions was ordinary, yet we proceeded to trade for players and assume the list was good enough on both occasions harsh reality hit us hard.
come 2013 and the similarities are scary.
its not the taking of mature players that has seen improvement though that has helped but the process of going thru enough top 50 picks on kids that has seen us grow. we have been good at keeping a balance between mature players and kids and where we have taken each group, that has changed. it is as if we are locked and loaded thats to me is unbelievable.
why change something that has worked and taken us from a laughing stock to pretty competetive most of the time.
rebuilding our list is only 50 60% done if we want to win a premiership we had damn well better improve significantly each yr over the next 3 or 4 seasons. you can bet your bottom dollar our competitors will.
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Not much wrong with the list in 1996 Claw....just the club got rid of the one coach the players were actually " playing for" and replaced him with a knob from Carlton .
2002....well that's a different story.
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no one not even me. they took gordon at 50 because they thought someone else might take him when clearly this was not likely.
Rubbish. They took him because he was best available on our list.
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Claw, I personally think you just like to complain. It wouldn't matter what we did, you would find something.
The truth be known, FJ hasn't picked a decent player outside of our first pick for a while. The kids he has picked outside of the first pick are not the reason we have improved. It's been the mature players that have help us plus a good kid in the first round.
Picking up mature kids with picks 50 and 60 odd is not the same as 1995 and 2001, so comparing that to this year is dumb, even for you.
I'm really happy with both those picks and I'm not just one to applaud everything the RFC does just for the sake of it, at the very least they will put pressure on better players to preform week in week out to keep their spots.
We are better than you give us credit for and it's becoming really boring listening to you whine about every decision the RFC makes. It's ok to have an opinion but you are the most negative poster on here. If you don't enjoy what the RFC offers, stick to talking about mature age kids from the WAFL.
The funny thing is you probably see one game the Tigers play a year live and you only see what the TV wants you to see. You talk about footy like you read about it in a book. You don't seem to have a very good feel for the game and you are unrealistic about our players ability. Your list on our best 22 and their ability the other day just showed how off the mark you are. You don't win 15 games in a season with a list with your summation of our side.
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Claw, who said Gordon was the only player we were tracking, could have been tracking 10 and the other 9 were taken , a fairly simple minded assumption he was the only player in Australia we were following ::)
12 lennon, 50 sicily/templeton/marsh. 66 templeton marsh darcy. id be happy with anyone of them. then at 78 gordon. 88 lloyd.
Yeah, screw list management. Let's have 40 on our main list in a relatively weak draft. ::)
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they took gordon at 50 because they thought someone else might take him
LMFAO
Do you just make this up to justify your constant negative crap or what?
Just because they didn't take the exact players you wanted at each pick, then that means they went different to their own ranking because they were afraid someone else would pick up the player they desperately wanted with a pick 50+ in the draft?
LMFAO.
Thats just truly mental.
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:lol It's the truth though al :shh
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We could win a premiership and claw would say yeah but we didn't win the Grand final sprint. :banghead
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Black Highlighters are pretty effective also. CIA use them all the time so they can't be that bad.....
Selection #50....player number..... WTF????? Oh just give us Taylor Petrenko!
Did Taylor get picked up on Thrsday or is he waiting for Wednesday. Geez I hope gets picked up. More talent than a retirement village woah. :shh
I heard he went to Manly for ~$450k? :whistle
:lol it was actually the Canberra Raiders that got his prized signature, even though his signature was already on a Norf contract which meant that he couldn't get to the Tiges :'(
It will be interesting to see whether Taylor will follow in his brother Tysons footsteps and pull on the boxing gloves one day.
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We could win a premiership and claw would say yeah but we didn't win the Grand final sprint. :banghead
I understand that though. That'd be a stuffing disgrace. :lol
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Black Highlighters are pretty effective also. CIA use them all the time so they can't be that bad.....
Selection #50....player number..... WTF????? Oh just give us Taylor Petrenko!
Did Taylor get picked up on Thrsday or is he waiting for Wednesday. Geez I hope gets picked up. More talent than a retirement village woah. :shh
I heard he went to Manly for ~$450k? :whistle
:lol it was actually the Canberra Raiders that got his prized signature, even though his signature was already on a Norf contract which meant that he couldn't get to the Tiges :'(
It will be interesting to see whether Taylor will follow in his brother Tysons footsteps and pull on the boxing gloves one day.
Goddammit! I'm changing my avatar! :banghead Canberra Raiders....Pfft They can have the turncoat!
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Avatar changed!! Hope you get smashed in your first hit up for the Raiders Taylor! :banghead
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Avatar changed!! Hope you get smashed in your first hit up for the Raiders Taylor! :banghead
:lol