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From the backline: Scott Gullan takes a look at Richmond's best 22 before the 2014 season
Scott Gullan
Herald Sun
January 06, 2014 7:00PM
HERALD Sun football experts go deep inside each AFL club to predict how each team's best line up could look next year.
RICHMOND
IN:
Shaun Hampson (Carlton), 25, ruckman
Ben Lennon (Northern Knights), 18, midfield/forward
Sam Lloyd (Frankston), 23, forward
Nathan Gordon (Sydney), 23, forward
OUT:
Tom Derickx (Sydney)
Luke McGuane (Brisbane Lions)
Robin Nahas (North Melbourne)
Shane Tuck (retired)
Matthew White (Port Adelaide)
COACHES
Damien Hardwick (senior coach)
Brendon Lade (forward coach)
Ross Smith (defence coach)
Danny Daly and Mark P Williams (midfield coaches)
Mark M Williams (senior development coach)
BEST 22:
B: Steven Morris, 25, 43 games, Alex Rance, 24, 89 games, Dylan Grimes, 22, 26 games
HB: Chris Newman, 31, 233 games, Troy Chaplin, 27, 162 games, Bachar Houli, 25, 91 games
C: Brett Delideo, 26, 195 games, Dustin Martin, 22, 86 games, Brandon Ellis, 20, 42 games
HF: Shane Edwards, 25, 129 games, Tyrone Vickery, 23, 75 games, Reece Conca, 21, 52 games
F: Ben Lennon, 18, 0 games, Jack Riewoldt, 25, 134 games, Jake King, 29, 105 games
R: Ivan Maric. 27, 118 games, Trent Cotchin, 23, 108 games, Nick Vlastuin, 19, 18 games
INT: Daniel Jackson, 27, 146 games, Nathan Foley, 28, 136 games, Shaun Hampson, 25, 63 games, Shaun Grigg, 25, 109 games
HOW THEY'LL PLAY:
Recruiting Carlton big man Shaun Hampson will ensure the Tigers can throw several different forward line looks at the opposition. Instead of resting on the bench Hampson and fellow ruckman Ivan Maric will spend more time close to goal. That will allow Jack Riewoldt to play further up the ground. It will also put more pressure on Tyrone Vickery, whose inconsistency at centre half-forward has been a problem. If he doesn't fire then at least Hampson and Maric can be used as tall targets.
READY TO FLY:
He made big strides last season but Brandon Ellis is again the player everyone is talking about at Punt Rd. Ellis has been leading the way in running drills and wants to become a permanent fixture in the midfield. After starting his career coming off half-back, the 20-year-old progressed to the wing in his second year but with his pace and prodigious kicking the Tigers want him in the thick of the action alongside captain Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin and Brett Delideo.
Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/from-the-backline-scott-gullan-takes-a-look-at-richmonds-best-22-before-the-2014-season/story-fni5f9jb-1226796062904#ixzz2pcP82DHT
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BEST 22:
B: Steven Morris, 25, 43 games, Alex Rance, 24, 89 games, Dylan Grimes, 22, 26 games
HB: Chris Newman, 31, 233 games, Troy Chaplin, 27, 162 games, Bachar Houli, 25, 91 games
C: Brett Delideo, 26, 195 games, Dustin Martin, 22, 86 games, Brandon Ellis, 20, 42 games
HF: Shane Edwards, 25, 129 games, Tyrone Vickery, 23, 75 games, Reece Conca, 21, 52 games
F: Ben Lennon, 18, 0 games, Jack Riewoldt, 25, 134 games, Jake King, 29, 105 games
R: Ivan Maric. 27, 118 games, Trent Cotchin, 23, 108 games, Nick Vlastuin, 19, 18 games
INT: Daniel Jackson, 27, 146 games, Nathan Foley, 28, 136 games, Shaun Hampson, 25, 63 games, Shaun Grigg, 25, 109 games
:pray
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Looks a bloody good team from first glance. I don't think Lennon should or will get a game straight up. Seems they have omitted A.Edwards and Astbury. Any others from our Best 22 from the final few rounds of 2013 that I've missed?
Gordan and Lloyd would be a shoe in to make the team early imo but who would miss out? Lennon I guess? Would they play horses for courses this year between an extra tall option with McBean or Griffiths and then alternating this with smaller options in A.Edwards, Gordan and Lloyd? If McBean can develop his contested marking he has the crumbing game to be able to play both roles :-\
Hope they play Hampson more at center bounces and around the ground. He has the athleticism to trouble most opposition rucks and the marking capabilities to be a good link up player. As a forward though his goal kicking was deplorable at Carlton where they attempted to mold him into a CHF. I would rather Maric play deep. He is a good set shot. I'm very interested how they will manage these big men and what ruck percentage each will get. We may actually lose a few games early from being too tall across the ground imo :P
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BEST 22:
B: Steven Morris, 25, 43 games, Alex Rance, 24, 89 games, Dylan Grimes, 22, 26 games
HB: Chris Newman, 31, 233 games, Troy Chaplin, 27, 162 games, Bachar Houli, 25, 91 games
C: Brett Delideo, 26, 195 games, Dustin Martin, 22, 86 games, Brandon Ellis, 20, 42 games
HF: Shane Edwards, 25, 129 games, Tyrone Vickery, 23, 75 games, Reece Conca, 21, 52 games
F: Chris Knights, 27, 101 games, Jack Riewoldt, 25, 134 games, Jake King, 29, 105 games
R: Ivan Maric. 27, 118 games, Trent Cotchin, 23, 108 games, Nick Vlastuin, 19, 18 games
INT: Daniel Jackson, 27, 146 games, Nathan Foley, 28, 136 games, Shaun Hampson, 25, 63 games, Shaun Grigg, 25, 109 games
:pray
i replaced lennon with knights as i dont think lennon will be ready to play much senior footy.
with knigts in the team the average age was 25yrs. the average #games per player was 107. its about the most experienced side we can field.
the side consists of
3 juniors 21 and under. ellis, conca, vlastuin.
5 development players 22-24. grimes, rance,martin, vickery, cotchin.
12 mature players 25 - 28. chaplin, morris ,houli, grigg ,riewoldt, knights, hampson, s edwards, maric, jackson, deledio,and foley.
2 vets 29 plus. newman, king.
the problem i have is we have 13 players in the wings who are 22 or more. of those 13 only 4 players have 50 games or more experience. they are a edwards. petterd, thomas, and banfield. two are rookies. hardly an inspiring lot. this is effectively our depth. the other thing i ask is where id the quality in these 13 players.
in fact from oldest first our depth goes
stephenson 31 yrs /14gms. ruck
a edwards 30/91 med/ for.
thomas 27/87 inside mid.
petterd 25/66 med/ for.
gordon 24/2. atk id say for/mid
lloyd 24/0. for
banfield 23/53 for.
astbury 23/29 kpp.
batchelor 22/39 med/ def.
dea 22/24 med/ def
griffiths 22/19 kpp
helbig 22/16 mid.
miles 22/10. mid
i also ask what happens if we lose two or three talls. also what happens if we lose two or three genuine mids.
it only leaves juniors 21 and under of which not too much should be expected.
ohanlon 20yrs/8 gms. med / for.
arnot 20/4 mid.
elton 20/1 kpf.
mcdonough 20/1 for/mid
darrou 20/0 rookie. kpd
mcbean 19/0 ruck?/for?
mcintosh19/0 tall/def.
williams 19/0 rookie. mid.
lennon 18/0 for.
i know what i take from all this you lot can come to your own conclusions. all i can say is we want to have another dream run with injuries.
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'Only' Lennon / McIntosh / mcdonuts / mcbean / arnot / Elton :shh
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Always hated Scott Gullan . Does anyone know who he barracks for ?
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Are Foley and Newman in our best 22?
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i also ask what happens if we lose two or three talls. also what happens if we lose two or three genuine mids.
probably the same as any other club, we'd struggle.
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Always hated Scott Gullan . Does anyone know who he barracks for ?
Yep , he's a Bulldogs supporter. That says it all really.
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Are Foley and Newman in our best 22?
Was thinking the same thing
Actually you would hope that if our youngster who are coming into their 2nd, 3rd seasons 1/ continue to develop (eg Arnot) and 2/ came get over their injury problems (eg McIntosh, Helbig) then they overtake the older guys like Newman & Foley (no disrespect to either of the veterans)
And would think it's a little premature to say Lennon is in our best 22. Journo always seem to do that, throw in a clubs 1st round draft pick simply because they are a first round draft pick
Would have Chris Knights aheand of Lennon at this stage
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Are Foley and Newman in our best 22?
Was thinking the same thing
Actually you would hope that if our youngster who are coming into their 2nd, 3rd seasons 1/ continue to develop (eg Arnot) and 2/ came get over their injury problems (eg McIntosh, Helbig) then they overtake the older guys like Newman & Foley (no disrespect to either of the veterans)
And would think it's a little premature to say Lennon is in our best 22. Journo always seem to do that, throw in a clubs 1st round draft pick simply because they are a first round draft pick
Would have Chris Knights aheand of Lennon at this stage
Agree on all counts. I think Knights could be very good for us. As you say no DIS to Foley and Newman but I am thinking their time is up. Foley may have a small window of opportunity to prove himself after a shocking injury run but in all honesty I would rather have traded him and kept White who I think has a much better upside. Time will tell this year.
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Always hated Scott Gullan . Does anyone know who he barracks for ?
Yep , he's a Bulldogs supporter. That says it all really.
lol
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Are Foley and Newman in our best 22?
Was thinking the same thing
Actually you would hope that if our youngster who are coming into their 2nd, 3rd seasons 1/ continue to develop (eg Arnot) and 2/ came get over their injury problems (eg McIntosh, Helbig) then they overtake the older guys like Newman & Foley (no disrespect to either of the veterans)
And would think it's a little premature to say Lennon is in our best 22. Journo always seem to do that, throw in a clubs 1st round draft pick simply because they are a first round draft pick
Would have Chris Knights aheand of Lennon at this stage
Agree on all counts. I think Knights could be very good for us. As you say no DIS to Foley and Newman but I am thinking their time is up. Foley may have a small window of opportunity to prove himself after a shocking injury run but in all honesty I would rather have traded him and kept White who I think has a much better upside. Time will tell this year.
not having a go here. but i have to ask what upside does white have. what you see is what you get.
mate 27yo sml players white turns 27 early april, with shoddy skills have no upside. even in his last yr he was nothing but a role player. he played how many games 15 and about 10 of em was as a sub. he was there for his pace late in games and no other reason. he wasnt good enough to warrant full games
.shocking user of the ball poor decision maker small possesion counts these things have remained a constant right thru his career.
as for foley its as an inside player that has made him valuable, his hands used to be excellent and he woulkd knock up extracting the ball. if he cant play inside anymore he needs to go. he is another butcher of the ball by foot.
newman well imo its blokes like dea, mcintosh and batchelor who he is keeping out. none have to date out performed him or knocked the door down. i would love to see both dea and mcintosh force the likes of newman and the panic merchant houli out of the back half.
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Do or die for Foley this season, pretty confident he'll be back to his explosive self again in 14.
I haven't felt newman has been best 22 for a while now. Bit of a passenger and for an experienced player is never near the coalface when its at its hottest.
Knights wont be ready till midseason? Very much doubt he'll be in the mix in the first part of the season. Would be a bonus if he plays anywhere near his capabilities, but usually players take a season to settle after a serious injury.
McIntosh is raw, good prospect and will get his chance but he's not ready to cement a spot yet. Expect him to play 5 games at most.
McBean should be aiming to play 5-10 as well.
Houli is no panic merchant, one of the best users of the ball in our side, Sheesh if he's a panic merchant, then we're really stuffed bc there are only a handful I trust more with ball in hand at this stage
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are Longer and Adams still in the best 22? :huh
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Do or die for Foley this season, pretty confident he'll be back to his explosive self again in 14.
I haven't felt newman has been best 22 for a while now. Bit of a passenger and for an experienced player is never near the coalface when its at its hottest.
Knights wont be ready till midseason? Very much doubt he'll be in the mix in the first part of the season. Would be a bonus if he plays anywhere near his capabilities, but usually players take a season to settle after a serious injury.
McIntosh is raw, good prospect and will get his chance but he's not ready to cement a spot yet. Expect him to play 5 games at most.
McBean should be aiming to play 5-10 as well.
Houli is no panic merchant, one of the best users of the ball in our side, Sheesh if he's a panic merchant, then we're really stuffed bc there are only a handful I trust more with ball in hand at this stage
can only call it as i see it. houli i would describe as a sheep dog.
pros are- run and spread is good. hes a very good kicking option in space. is a good accumul;ator of possesions mainly uncontested.
cons - is poor defensively, very one sided. he certainly panics regularly when time and space is taken away, does not win anywhere near enough ball.
we all see things differently. me i have little time for houli as a backman.
imo the best role for him is taking griggs spot on a wing. griggy would have to be the biggest down hill skier in the comp. in fact another sheep dog.
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are Longer and Adams still in the best 22? :huh
id take adams over lennon every day of the week. we know hes a mid who can win his own ball. we know we would have a genuine mid.
id take longer over hampson every day of the week. longer at the very least has the opportunity and credentials to become a first class ruckman. purlely as a ruckman hes out performed hampson quite easily after just 2 yrs. hampson has been there for 7 yrs and failed abymally.no comparison.
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Is Longer a genuine ruck?
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how do you tell if a player is genuine?
do they have a stamp of authenticity on them?
they certainly are produced in limited editions though, as we don't seem to get them.
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Houli a sheep dog........just a bewildering comment in my opinion
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Houli a sheep dog........just a bewildering comment in my opinion
x 2. Is easily in my best 22 and is an important cog in our team structure for delivery out of the backline.
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+1 for Houlee replacing Grigg on the wing. Grigg is not best 22
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Houli a sheep dog........just a bewildering comment in my opinion
how does a sheep dog operate. always running around the outside of the herd.
Houli a sheep dog........just a bewildering comment in my opinion
x 2. Is easily in my best 22 and is an important cog in our team structure for delivery out of the backline.
as i constantly say we all see things differently. plenty agree with what i see. me if was opposition coach id have my players take him deep make him defend and pressure him. when it does happen he panics and is found wanting most of the time.
my knock on houli as a defender is hes incredibly poor in some areas. the flip side is hes good in space with delivery on one side and his run is decent.
yep when we are allowed to play the bruise free footy we like so much and things go well hes great. but when we have to adapt hes incapable of adapting.
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BEST 22:
B: Steven Morris, 25, 43 games, Alex Rance, 24, 89 games, Dylan Grimes, 22, 26 games
HB: Chris Newman, 31, 233 games, Troy Chaplin, 27, 162 games, Bachar Houli, 25, 91 games
C: Brett Delideo, 26, 195 games, Dustin Martin, 22, 86 games, Brandon Ellis, 20, 42 games
HF: Shane Edwards, 25, 129 games, Tyrone Vickery, 23, 75 games, Reece Conca, 21, 52 games
F: Ben Lennon, 18, 0 games, Jack Riewoldt, 25, 134 games, Jake King, 29, 105 games
R: Ivan Maric. 27, 118 games, Trent Cotchin, 23, 108 games, Nick Vlastuin, 19, 18 games
INT: Daniel Jackson, 27, 146 games, Nathan Foley, 28, 136 games, Shaun Hampson, 25, 63 games, Shaun Grigg, 25, 109 games
Get Vickery to FF and Jack at CHF
Ty could kick 80+ goals from there and Jack could still kick 70 odd from CHF.
I think Jack reads the play better than Ty and would create far better opportunities from CHF.
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Jack at CHF is the dumbest poo I've ever heard
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i know i've already mentiioned this but I for one am very excited to see what Jack can do at CHF.
Teams love crowding Jack close to goal. Get him on his bike and free him up. He is very damaging in space.
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Jack at CHF is the dumbest poo I've ever heard
Two years ago I would've agreed with you, but since he has become more team orientated his reading of the play and creative space making, makes him a great potential to be as good as Wayne Carey. He's the kind of player that will run against the flow of play, basically running forward at the precise moment as the ball is heading down back then be able to receive the ball after a turn over, and then kick goals. Carey was able to turn a game his way when opportunities arose because he could see it before the opportunity happened. Jack is the same, he just hasn't been given the opportunity to be in that position.
So when I say Jack at CHF, it's not just a guess and something that sounds good, this is something that could help us win games. I don't know why others can't see the potential.
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Jack at CHF is the dumbest poo I've ever heard
Two years ago I would've agreed with you, but since he has become more team orientated his reading of the play and creative space making, makes him a great potential to be as good as Wayne Carey. He's the kind of player that will run against the flow of play, basically running forward at the precise moment as the ball is heading down back then be able to receive the ball after a turn over, and then kick goals. Carey was able to turn a game his way when opportunities arose because he could see it before the opportunity happened. Jack is the same, he just hasn't been given the opportunity to be in that position.
So when I say Jack at CHF, it's not just a guess and something that sounds good, this is something that could help us win games. I don't know why others can't see the potential.
Jack is indeed a ruddy smart mother flipper and can read it like a book.
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Jack at CHF is the dumbest poo I've ever heard
Two years ago I would've agreed with you, but since he has become more team orientated his reading of the play and creative space making, makes him a great potential to be as good as Wayne Carey. He's the kind of player that will run against the flow of play, basically running forward at the precise moment as the ball is heading down back then be able to receive the ball after a turn over, and then kick goals. Carey was able to turn a game his way when opportunities arose because he could see it before the opportunity happened. Jack is the same, he just hasn't been given the opportunity to be in that position.
So when I say Jack at CHF, it's not just a guess and something that sounds good, this is something that could help us win games. I don't know why others can't see the potential.
That goal in the hawks game comes to mind
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Jack at CHF is the dumbest poo I've ever heard
Two years ago I would've agreed with you, but since he has become more team orientated his reading of the play and creative space making, makes him a great potential to be as good as Wayne Carey. He's the kind of player that will run against the flow of play, basically running forward at the precise moment as the ball is heading down back then be able to receive the ball after a turn over, and then kick goals. Carey was able to turn a game his way when opportunities arose because he could see it before the opportunity happened. Jack is the same, he just hasn't been given the opportunity to be in that position.
So when I say Jack at CHF, it's not just a guess and something that sounds good, this is something that could help us win games. I don't know why others can't see the potential.
word up.
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Jack doesn't have the tank or ability to go on long leads, or strength to play CHF imo. Just don't see it.
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He can't even roost one from 60
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He can't even roost one from 60
Yes, because every player in the comp kicks goals from 60.
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i've seen jack kick a servo footy 65 metres into the teeth of a tornado in thongs so STFU
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He can't even roost one from 60
Yes, because every player in the comp kicks goals from 60.
Happy New Year bruz :thumbsup
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just thought id bump this. getting close to kick off and just thought people might want start putting up their best 22 or 23 or even the 22 25 they would prefer to see play.
I WILL DO TWO BASED ON INJURY AND THEN WHAT ID LIKE TO SEE TRANSPIRE. Whoops apologies caps on again. now you lot can see why i dont use caps.
id like to see the following based on injury
B: Morris - Chaplin - Rance
HB: Deledio - Astbury - Conca
C: Ellis - Vlastuin - Houli
R: Orren - Cotchin - Miles. orren while ivan is injured and play hampson in the role we envisioned.
HF: Martin - Riewoldt - Gordon. like the fact both martin gordon are big bodied and go thru the middle.
F: S Edwards - Vickery - Hampson. as much as i despise edwards he too can rotate thru the middle. to be fair to him hes probably the best of the smalls to date.
Int: Foley - Jackson - Knights - Thomas. foley jackson and thomas because they can win contested ball. jacko may get a run with role.
What id like to see or hope will happen in time this yr.
B: Morris - Chaplin - Rance
HB: Mcintosh - Astbury - Vlastuin. would love for dea to show he belongs allowing vlas to play a midfield role. yeah im hopeful on mcintosh.
C: Deledio - Martin - Ellis these three just have to win more contested ball. time to get down and get dirty fellas.
R: Maric - Cotchin - Foley. think foley when fit important. really needs to go back to old ways where he wins inside ball and uses well by hand most of the time.
HF: Lennon - Riewoldt - Knights. lennon and knights add some class reckon both be a part of rotations as well.
F: Mcdonough - Vickery - Hampson. not sure mcdonough or lloyd are the answer but would like to see em tried. with ivan in hampster starts forward.vickery is the concern here imo.unfortunately i cant see any sort of effective replacement for him atm.
Int: Conca - Jackson - Miles - Gordon - Houli - Edwards - Arnot - Helbig grigg. arnot and helbig aside any of the others could concievably start. we need competition here.
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just thought id bump this. getting close to kick off and just thought people might want start putting up their best 22 or 23 or even the 22 25 they would prefer to see play.
I WILL DO TWO BASED ON INJURY AND THEN WHAT ID LIKE TO SEE TRANSPIRE. Whoops apologies caps on again. now you lot can see why i dont use caps.
id like to see the following based on injury
B: Morris - Chaplin - Rance
HB: Deledio - Astbury - Conca
C: Ellis - Vlastuin - Houli
R: Orren - Cotchin - Miles. orren while ivan is injured and play hampson in the role we envisioned.
HF: Martin - Riewoldt - Gordon. like the fact both martin gordon are big bodied and go thru the middle.
F: S Edwards - Vickery - Hampson. as much as i despise edwards he too can rotate thru the middle. to be fair to him hes probably the best of the smalls to date.
Int: Foley - Jackson - Knights - Thomas. foley jackson and thomas because they can win contested ball. jacko may get a run with role.
What id like to see or hope will happen in time this yr.
B: Morris - Chaplin - Rance
HB: Mcintosh - Astbury - Vlastuin. would love for dea to show he belongs allowing vlas to play a midfield role. yeah im hopeful on mcintosh.
C: Deledio - Martin - Ellis these three just have to win more contested ball. time to get down and get dirty fellas.
R: Maric - Cotchin - Foley. think foley when fit important. really needs to go back to old ways where he wins inside ball and uses well by hand most of the time.
HF: Lennon - Riewoldt - Knights. lennon and knights add some class reckon both be a part of rotations as well.
F: Mcdonough - Vickery - Hampson. not sure mcdonough or lloyd are the answer but would like to see em tried. with ivan in hampster starts forward.vickery is the concern here imo.unfortunately i cant see any sort of effective replacement for him atm.
Int: Conca - Jackson - Miles - Gordon - Houli - Edwards - Arnot - Helbig grigg. arnot and helbig aside any of the others could concievably start. we need competition here.
Stephenson doesnt offer enough link up, swap for Benny 'benassi' Griffmiester
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