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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: cub on February 22, 2014, 09:34:06 PM
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Wtf is going on here?
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Tiger Maric could go under the knife
Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
February 22, 2014 8:55 PM
RICHMOND ruckman Ivan Maric could be set for ankle surgery with the Tigers weighing up how to handle the injury that has dogged his pre-season.
And the club’s No.1 draft selection from last year, Ben Lennon, will be on the sidelines for at least the next month after tearing his knee cartilage during the week.
Maric, after having groin surgery at the end of last season, has been on a modified program for much of the summer.
He missed last Friday night's NAB Challenge loss to Melbourne and then Saturday's win over Collingwood in Wangaratta.
Richmond coach Damien Hardwick revealed after the 48-point win over the Magpies that Maric could need an operation if the ankle didn't progress.
"We just don't know at this stage. It's just one of those things; he might go in and it might be a small clean up, we're not too sure," Hardwick said.
"We've got to assess how he goes. He's probably in the hands of the doctor at the moment.
"It's been a bit of a drawn out process so at some stage we've probably got to make a decision on which way we go.
"We've just got to see how it pulls up over the coming weeks."
While Jack Riewoldt is rated a "certainty" to return from quad soreness on March 7 against Essendon in a practice match at Punt Road, the news isn't as good for Lennon.
Richmond football manager Dan Richardson confirmed to AFL.com.au that Lennon was likely to undergo surgery at the start of next week on the damaged knee cartilage.
He is expected to miss at least a month.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-02-22/maric-could-face-surgery
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Bugger!!!
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Cant recall who the poster was, but his mail last week was that maric had a bad ankle which was refuted.
Surprise surprise ::)
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Don't think we ll be seeing Maric 1H of season, get used to seeing Hampson and griff sharing ruck duties which is quite a handy combo just quietly, ...my mail is Lennon aggravated an old injury nothing much to see there, should be out for a few only :shh
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Should have just cleaned it up at the first instance and he would have missed 3 or 4 games instead of 10.
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TBR - always knows best
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Cant recall who the poster was, but his mail last week was that maric had a bad ankle which was refuted.
Surprise surprise ::)
I thought it was his foot - navicular which is quite different and far worse.
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Very disappointing for both parties here, but looking forward to the return of the big man later...at his best!!
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Exactly Richo
Idiots knew it was an issue why wait
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TBR - always knows best
POTY. :cheers
To be serious though anyone in the sports science/sports medicine field will tell you that an ankle injury for a 100kg plus athlete playing a sport with 100% load-bearing on legs will find it almost impossible to heal an injury without intervention.
The only instance where 'wait and hope for the best' would be logical is in an instance where the timeline dictated it, ie late in the season with finals approaching, a fast bowler having a long break coming up after a test series etc… but in preseason there is no logical reasoning I can see.
I'd love to hear the rational from the medical team.
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Probably the same rationale with his groin last preseason, wait and see and send him into surgery for it a year later
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TBR - always knows best
POTY. :cheers
To be serious though anyone in the sports science/sports medicine field will tell you that an ankle injury for a 100kg plus athlete playing a sport with 100% load-bearing on legs will find it almost impossible to heal an injury without intervention.
The only instance where 'wait and hope for the best' would be logical is in an instance where the timeline dictated it, ie late in the season with finals approaching, a fast bowler having a long break coming up after a test series etc… but in preseason there is no logical reasoning I can see.
I'd love to hear the rational from the medical team.
Yeah I see where your coming from mate. I just think that medical issues like this are one thing that fans really can't comment on with any surety. We just don't have enough info.
I do know that medicos need to roll the dice sometimes with injury management. It doesn't always work out but that's life.
I trust our guys to make the best decisions with our players.
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Cant recall who the poster was, but his mail last week was that maric had a bad ankle which was refuted.
Surprise surprise ::)
I thought it was his foot - navicular which is quite different and far worse.
My sources at the club told me it was his navicular, but they too weren't sure as they had heard it from someone else…….
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Need to place it safe with Maric
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I'd love to hear the rational from the medical team.
there in lies the problem, history tells us there is NO rational in our medical team
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Need to place it safe with Maric
Just two years too late.
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I'd love to hear the rational from the medical team.
there in lies the problem, history tells us there is NO rational in our medical team
Part of the problem is that injuries to players are poorly communicated to the supporters. I don't think that is the medico's fault. Th club needs to be more truthful when it talks about injuries or we become disillusioned. Why the secrecy? If they are going to miss 6 weeks, they are going to miss 6 weeks. By telling us it's a 2 week injury and then extending it twice over doesn't help anyone. It is still a 6 week injury.......
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The art of misconception and deception
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I'd love to hear the rational from the medical team.
there in lies the problem, history tells us there is NO rational in our medical team
Part of the problem is that injuries to players are poorly communicated to the supporters. I don't think that is the medico's fault. Th club needs to be more truthful when it talks about injuries or we become disillusioned. Why the secrecy? If they are going to miss 6 weeks, they are going to miss 6 weeks. By telling us it's a 2 week injury and then extending it twice over doesn't help anyone. It is still a 6 week injury.......
I have sympathy in that regard because there are plenty of times where full disclosure of an injury will provide an opponent with knowledge of an advantage.
Some injuries and processes to treat injuries will have a significant effect on the overall physiology of a player and if an opponent was equipped with the knowledge they would be in a position to exploit that player.
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I'd love to hear the rational from the medical team.
there in lies the problem, history tells us there is NO rational in our medical team
Part of the problem is that injuries to players are poorly communicated to the supporters. I don't think that is the medico's fault. Th club needs to be more truthful when it talks about injuries or we become disillusioned. Why the secrecy? If they are going to miss 6 weeks, they are going to miss 6 weeks. By telling us it's a 2 week injury and then extending it twice over doesn't help anyone. It is still a 6 week injury.......
I have sympathy in that regard because there are plenty of times where full disclosure of an injury will provide an opponent with knowledge of an advantage.
Some injuries and processes to treat injuries will have a significant effect on the overall physiology of a player and if an opponent was equipped with the knowledge they would be in a position to exploit that player.
:clapping :clapping
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Ch 10 news just reported that Ivan Maric had surgery today and will miss at least 2 months
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Ch 10 news just reported that Ivan Maric had surgery today and will miss at least 2 months
So a May/June come back, lets hope so. Lets hope it doesn't drag out.
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Confirmed of RFC web-site. Note article also confirms Lennon had surgery today
Delayed start for Maric after surgery
richmondfc.com.au
February 24, 2014 5:24 PM
Richmond ruckman Ivan Maric will miss the start of the 2014 season after undergoing surgery on an injured ankle today.
Maric is expected to miss the next 6-8 weeks after having bone spurs removed, with surgery the preferred option for the Club’s medical staff.
“It’s good to get that done now, and start moving into his rehab phase, and hopefully get him back on track soon,” said Richmond’s Elite Performance Manager, Peter Burge.
Become a Richmond member in 2014 and help the Tigers bring the roar home
“He’s been able to train with it in the last couple of weeks, but he hasn’t been 100 per cent comfortable.
Full article
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-02-24/delayed-start-for-maric-after-surgery
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There's some Trent Knobel about this
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Angus Graham still on the Crows list
Had a great pre season
Go the Goose !!!
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:lol
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Confirmed of RFC web-site. Note article also confirms Lennon had surgery today
Delayed start for Maric after surgery
richmondfc.com.au
February 24, 2014 5:24 PM
Richmond ruckman Ivan Maric will miss the start of the 2014 season after undergoing surgery on an injured ankle today.
Maric is expected to miss the next 6-8 weeks after having bone spurs removed, with surgery the preferred option for the Club’s medical staff.
“It’s good to get that done now, and start moving into his rehab phase, and hopefully get him back on track soon,” said Richmond’s Elite Performance Manager, Peter Burge.
Become a Richmond member in 2014 and help the Tigers bring the roar home
“He’s been able to train with it in the last couple of weeks, but he hasn’t been 100 per cent comfortable.
Full article
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-02-24/delayed-start-for-maric-after-surgery
Time for Griffo to stand up!!!!!
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A mate saw Mullet in Niddrie on Saturday arvo.
Lets just say if we get him back in the second half of the year it will be a good outcome
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A mate saw Mullet in Niddrie on Saturday arvo.
Lets just say if we get him back in the second half of the year it will be a good outcome
He lives at Niddrie
Often seen in local cafés
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Do you have a view?
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A mate saw Mullet in Niddrie on Saturday arvo.
Lets just say if we get him back in the second half of the year it will be a good outcome
He lives at Niddrie
Often seen in local cafés
Mostly at Niddrie Charcoal Chicken though. A sub-franchise of the hugely popular Northcote Charcoal Chicken and not to be confused with the imitation Thornbury Charcoal Chicken.
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A mate saw Mullet in Niddrie on Saturday arvo.
Lets just say if we get him back in the second half of the year it will be a good outcome
He lives at Niddrie
Often seen in local cafés
But not often hobbling like a nonchalant cripple :thumbsup
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Confirmed of RFC web-site. Note article also confirms Lennon had surgery today
Delayed start for Maric after surgery
richmondfc.com.au
February 24, 2014 5:24 PM
Richmond ruckman Ivan Maric will miss the start of the 2014 season after undergoing surgery on an injured ankle today.
Maric is expected to miss the next 6-8 weeks after having bone spurs removed, with surgery the preferred option for the Club’s medical staff.
“It’s good to get that done now, and start moving into his rehab phase, and hopefully get him back on track soon,” said Richmond’s Elite Performance Manager, Peter Burge.
Become a Richmond member in 2014 and help the Tigers bring the roar home
“He’s been able to train with it in the last couple of weeks, but he hasn’t been 100 per cent comfortable.
Full article
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-02-24/delayed-start-for-maric-after-surgery
Lets hope for a speedy recovery. Hampson and Griffiths will need to stand up.
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A mate saw Mullet in Niddrie on Saturday arvo.
Lets just say if we get him back in the second half of the year it will be a good outcome
He lives at Niddrie
Often seen in local cafés
But not often hobbling like a nonchalant cripple :thumbsup
Geez. Two attention seekers quoting each other with their wink wink nudge nudge BS.
This from Dooks, the same guy that rambled about Griffiths apparently being injured and the club hiding it :lol
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:lol Coach, damn that memory is impressive. :clapping
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May have been asked but WTF did the club and it's medical visionaries, wait until the season is almost here to do this?
Anyone??
Someone???
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May have been asked but WTF did the club and it's medical visionaries, wait until the season is almost here to do this?
Anyone??
Someone???
Dan Richardson (GM of Footy) said yesterday they thought they'd be able to manage it through the season :huh3 :facepalm
But have worked out they can't, the pain isn't 'going away so they've decided on surgery now rather than later in the season
:banghead
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May have been asked but WTF did the club and it's medical visionaries, wait until the season is almost here to do this?
Anyone??
Someone???
Dan Richardson (GM of Footy) said yesterday they thought they'd be able to manage it through the season :huh3 :facepalm
But have worked out they can't, the pain isn't 'going away so they've decided on surgery now rather than later in the season
:banghead
Maybe they should have operated earlier to fix it for good (even if it means the mullet misses pre-season) instead of trying to 'manage' it.
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they thought they'd be able to manage it through the season
They 'managed' to derail his season :banghead
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May have been asked but WTF did the club and it's medical visionaries, wait until the season is almost here to do this?
Anyone??
Someone???
Dan Richardson (GM of Footy) said yesterday they thought they'd be able to manage it through the season :huh3 :facepalm
But have worked out they can't, the pain isn't 'going away so they've decided on surgery now rather than later in the season
:banghead
Maybe they should have operated earlier to fix it for good (even if it means the mullet misses pre-season) instead of trying to 'manage' it.
Agree :thumbsup
The problem is bone spurs for crying out loud, they weren't going away :help
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Might end up being a blessing in disguise. He gets an extended rest period for his groin and a shorter season so might not be run into the ground by the business end. Just a thought.
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Made finals last year despite a below average season from Maric....Hamspud's probably about as good as a below average Maric.....West Coast match proved there's still ways to win despite being severely outclassed in the ruck division....whether that's sustainable over a season is another matter though....
May have been asked but WTF did the club and it's medical visionaries, wait until the season is almost here to do this?
Anyone??
Someone???
Dan Richardson (GM of Footy) said yesterday they thought they'd be able to manage it through the season :huh3 :facepalm
But have worked out they can't, the pain isn't 'going away so they've decided on surgery now rather than later in the season
:banghead
Maybe they should have operated earlier to fix it for good (even if it means the mullet misses pre-season) instead of trying to 'manage' it.
Agree :thumbsup
The problem is bone spurs for crying out loud, they weren't going away :help
Our medical department's been as incompetent as our fitness department over the last 30 years and still is....one of a few things the much lauded "new era of professionalism" has yet to address....
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May have been asked but WTF did the club and it's medical visionaries, wait until the season is almost here to do this?
Anyone??
Someone???
Its crazy, they had the same philosopy with his groin last pre season and opted to 'manage' it for season 2013. He ended up having groin surgery this off season and by all reports his groin has come up really well, so why didn't they take this route last preseason and save him a world of pain throughout the 2013 season??
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May have been asked but WTF did the club and it's medical visionaries, wait until the season is almost here to do this?
Anyone??
Someone???
Its crazy, they had the same philosopy with his groin last pre season and opted to 'manage' it for season 2013. He ended up having groin surgery this off season and by all reports his groin has come up really well, so why didn't they take this route last preseason and save him a world of pain throughout the 2013 season??
Too much gametime for the workhorse
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May have been asked but WTF did the club and it's medical visionaries, wait until the season is almost here to do this?
Anyone??
Someone???
Dan Richardson (GM of Footy) said yesterday they thought they'd be able to manage it through the season :huh3 :facepalm
But have worked out they can't, the pain isn't 'going away so they've decided on surgery now rather than later in the season
:banghead
Maybe they should have operated earlier to fix it for good (even if it means the mullet misses pre-season) instead of trying to 'manage' it.
Agree :thumbsup
The problem is bone spurs for crying out loud, they weren't going away :help
Right!
He's only the most important link n the team.....ffs!!
Surely the first of a comedy of errors from this illustrious corporation !
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I dont know if our medical team has turned over since the Wallace era, but it was pretty poor back then. Highlighted by the Richo hammy tear incident. I would hope we have replaced a few people, shuffled the cards somewhat, since then.
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Hang on one minute!
How do you know that the medical team stuffed up here? Maybe Maric himself decided not to go with surgery when he was given the option and now realised he wasn't getting any better!
Just don't assume anything!!!!
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No no, YBB. The medical experts on here know better. You see if this lot where responsible for managing our players injuries, why, why we wouldn't have any injuries at all!
Is my sarcasm coming through here? :santa
The truth of the matter is that we don't even know the nature of Ivan's injury, let alone the other contextual factors at play, such as Ivan's own management preferences. To suggest one way or another whether it has been handled correctly is a foolish stab in the dark.
Does than mean that our medicos always get it right? Definitely not. But we are certainly not in any position to comment accurately, because we have next to nothing to go off.
As TBR implied, clubs BS all the time about their players' injuries for tactical purposes. Ivan could have a broken stuffing neck for all we know.
It's funny, we've had a very good run with injuries the last few years, in terms of games missed for best 22. Most would say this is due to good luck and not the good work of our medicos. But when one of our players starts missing games, it isn't just bad luck, it's that our medicos are useless.
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Hang on one minute!
How do you know that the medical team stuffed up here? Maybe Maric himself decided not to go with surgery when he was given the option and now realised he wasn't getting any better!
Just don't assume anything!!!!
Sadly their "history" is all we have to go by. And history doesn't reflect kindly.
Our current head Doctor is the person who Ok'd (sent) Richo back on the field that fateful day in Sydney when his hammy was stuffed. Going back made it worse and we all know what the end result a career ending tendon off the bone.
So it's no surprise that people are cynical and harsh
End of the day the doctors are the ones that make the final decision, they have the power, authority to override the players. They are the experts so you would think that really players should not have any say at all
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Hang on one minute!
How do you know that the medical team stuffed up here? Maybe Maric himself decided not to go with surgery when he was given the option and now realised he wasn't getting any better!
Just don't assume anything!!!!
Sadly their "history" is all we have to go by. And history doesn't reflect kindly.
Our current head Doctor is the person who Ok'd (sent) Richo back on the field that fateful day in Sydney when his hammy was stuffed. Going back made it worse and we all know what the end result a career ending tendon off the bone.
So it's no surprise that people are cynical and harsh
End of the day the doctors are the ones that make the final decision, they have the power, authority to override the players. They are the experts so you would think that really players should not have any say at all
A doctor can only make decisions on the evidence available at the time. A large part of that evidence is the patient history or account of his ailment. If the player tells the doctor he has little or no pain the doctor can only go by what he says. In the case of Richo, we don't know if Richo said he was fine at the time.....
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A doctor can only make decisions on the evidence available at the time. A large part of that evidence is the patient history or account of his ailment. If the player tells the doctor he has little or no pain the doctor can only go by what he says. In the case of Richo, we don't know if Richo said he was fine at the time.....
Exactly, and history would have told the Doctor that Richo would always say he was right to go and the history would have always told the Doctor that in Richo case that wasn't necessarily correct.
I was there that day I would have thought the fact Richo could barely walk without a limp let alone jog was a give away that it was worse than what he was being told ;D
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Interesting but I agree WP. Richo would have wanted to play. I see him maybe once a year at work so if I see him again soon I might actually ask him.
Although we'll never know if he'd have recovered sufficiently if he hadn't played on anyway.
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A doctor can only make decisions on the evidence available at the time. A large part of that evidence is the patient history or account of his ailment. If the player tells the doctor he has little or no pain the doctor can only go by what he says. In the case of Richo, we don't know if Richo said he was fine at the time.....
Exactly, and history would have told the Doctor that Richo would always say he was right to go and the history would have always told the Doctor that in Richo case that wasn't necessarily correct.
I was there that day I would have thought the fact Richo could barely walk without a limp let alone jog was a give away that it was worse than what he was being told ;D
I agree that it sounds bad but until we know all the facts it's hard to blame anyone. Who knows, Wallet may have demanded he go back on and overrode the medical team!
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Surgery is always a last resort and only at the consent of the player. This doesn't really apply to the Richo case, but regarding Maric we don't know if he chose to manage it and aim for round 1 against advice for surgery.
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Professional sports people have clauses in their contracts which require them to follow the direction of their sports medicine team.
The scenario would go something like:
Injury reported
Injury assessed and diagnosed
Treatment plan established
Player option to explore a second opinion
Obviously everyone has the right to consent or not to medical treatment but in the instance of a player refusing to consent to the directed medical advice their contract would either invoke a suspension of injury payments or termination clause.
So you can guarantee the decision was not Marics.
I agree re questions over our medical team. Speaking as someone in the same industry the worst example i saw was the Ben Cousins hamstring.
An ageing, high level aerobic athlete with a history of hamstring issues, who was in his first full intensity contest after a 12 month break has tightness and is sent back on.
I still can't believe it.
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Also, scans, mri's etc can tell the doc if a player is attempting to cover up the extent of the injury.
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I agree that it sounds bad but until we know all the facts it's hard to blame anyone. Who knows, Wallet may have demanded he go back on and overrode the medical team!
So firstly you suggest that Maric made the decision and now you suggest that the senior coach overrode the medical staff.
In the first case the player is an employee and must follow medical advice.
In the second case the doctor has a responsibility to the player - under which numerous lawsuits have been lodged over the years - to treat him in his best long term interests.
To fail to act in the best interests of the player (by allowing the coach to make medical decisions) is to go against medical, employment and legal ethics.
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I agree that it sounds bad but until we know all the facts it's hard to blame anyone. Who knows, Wallet may have demanded he go back on and overrode the medical team!
So firstly you suggest that Maric made the decision and now you suggest that the senior coach overrode the medical staff.
In the first case the player is an employee and must follow medical advice.
In the second case the doctor has a responsibility to the player - under which numerous lawsuits have been lodged over the years - to treat him in his best long term interests.
To fail to act in the best interests of the player (by allowing the coach to make medical decisions) is to go against medical, employment and legal ethics.
Two different situations. I am a doctor so I think I know the laws better than you. Your first case is wrong. Nobody can force a person to have any medical treatment. That is an individuals responsibility. It's his choice what is or isn't done to his body.
In the second scenario the doctor can only again give his or her professional opinion and advice. It's up to the player again to choose. If the coach is telling him that he needs himand he says he is okay to go, he may choose again to ignore medical advice.
The bottom line is that a doctor can only strongly recommend what he or she thinks is best. If others decide not to heed the advice they do that at their own peril.
As a doctor all I do is clearly document the advice I gave and thus I cannot be sued for putting the player in harms way.
Understand?
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You will find history is littered with players who ignored medical advice and played.
You will also find, in modern times anyway very few times when a player has played when they haven't wanted to.
I just came back from working overseas in a sporting competition with players earning huge amounts of money but never once are they pressured to play by the organisation when they are injured and don't feel able to.
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Given his character it is not surprising to hear that Maric may have played against medical advice. He is a team player and believe he would not have wanted to let the team down. If he was at risk of worsening the injury by playing the coaching staff should have intervened. Ultimately a coach and the selection panel has the final say whether a player plays.
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Given his character it is not surprising to hear that Maric may have played against medical advice. He is a team player and believe he would not have wanted to let the team down. If he was at risk of worsening the injury by playing the coaching staff should have intervened. Ultimately a coach and the selection panel has the final say whether a player plays.
Heard from where? Its just something someone on this site put out there as pure speculation
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I agree that it sounds bad but until we know all the facts it's hard to blame anyone. Who knows, Wallet may have demanded he go back on and overrode the medical team!
So firstly you suggest that Maric made the decision and now you suggest that the senior coach overrode the medical staff.
In the first case the player is an employee and must follow medical advice.
In the second case the doctor has a responsibility to the player - under which numerous lawsuits have been lodged over the years - to treat him in his best long term interests.
To fail to act in the best interests of the player (by allowing the coach to make medical decisions) is to go against medical, employment and legal ethics.
Two different situations. I am a doctor so I think I know the laws better than you. Your first case is wrong. Nobody can force a person to have any medical treatment. That is an individuals responsibility. It's his choice what is or isn't done to his body.
In the second scenario the doctor can only again give his or her professional opinion and advice. It's up to the player again to choose. If the coach is telling him that he needs himand he says he is okay to go, he may choose again to ignore medical advice.
The bottom line is that a doctor can only strongly recommend what he or she thinks is best. If others decide not to heed the advice they do that at their own peril.
As a doctor all I do is clearly document the advice I gave and thus I cannot be sued for putting the player in harms way.
Understand?
With your statement about being a doctor, I now understand why you have come up with two explanations of why the medical staff is not to blame for poor medical outcomes.
In the case of an employee having medical treatment directed by their boss, in the past my employer has taken medical advice internally and overturned my private GP's advice on rehabilitation and return to work. The same employer has had their doctor call my GP to "advise" on treatment that he gave to me.
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I agree that it sounds bad but until we know all the facts it's hard to blame anyone. Who knows, Wallet may have demanded he go back on and overrode the medical team!
So firstly you suggest that Maric made the decision and now you suggest that the senior coach overrode the medical staff.
In the first case the player is an employee and must follow medical advice.
In the second case the doctor has a responsibility to the player - under which numerous lawsuits have been lodged over the years - to treat him in his best long term interests.
To fail to act in the best interests of the player (by allowing the coach to make medical decisions) is to go against medical, employment and legal ethics.
Two different situations. I am a doctor so I think I know the laws better than you. Your first case is wrong. Nobody can force a person to have any medical treatment. That is an individuals responsibility. It's his choice what is or isn't done to his body.
In the second scenario the doctor can only again give his or her professional opinion and advice. It's up to the player again to choose. If the coach is telling him that he needs himand he says he is okay to go, he may choose again to ignore medical advice.
The bottom line is that a doctor can only strongly recommend what he or she thinks is best. If others decide not to heed the advice they do that at their own peril.
As a doctor all I do is clearly document the advice I gave and thus I cannot be sued for putting the player in harms way.
Understand?
With your statement about being a doctor, I now understand why you have come up with two explanations of why the medical staff is not to blame for poor medical outcomes.
In the case of an employee having medical treatment directed by their boss, in the past my employer has taken medical advice internally and overturned my private GP's advice on rehabilitation and return to work. The same employer has had their doctor call my GP to "advise" on treatment that he gave to me.
The explanations are only there to give people other possible scenarios that may have occurred with Maric and Richo. All I am saying is that unless we know all the facts, we shouldn't blame the medical staff. That doesn't mean they didn't stuff things up. It just means I view them as innocent until proven guilty.
With your situation, it's difficult to say without knowing all the facts. If you are taking time off work for a work related injury I would think it reasonable that the employer can use his own medical practitioner to sort out proper rehabilitation. Of course if your own doctor disagrees with this course you can take it to a third person for their opinion. It then may become a legal battle on what is deemed the correct line of therapy if you have two opinions that contradict the employers medical opinion. A nice letter from a solicitor usually settles such matters very quickly.
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Given his character it is not surprising to hear that Maric may have played against medical advice. He is a team player and believe he would not have wanted to let the team down. If he was at risk of worsening the injury by playing the coaching staff should have intervened. Ultimately a coach and the selection panel has the final say whether a player plays.
Heard from where? Its just something someone on this site put out there as pure speculation
conjecture not speculation
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Given his character it is not surprising to hear that Maric may have played against medical advice. He is a team player and believe he would not have wanted to let the team down. If he was at risk of worsening the injury by playing the coaching staff should have intervened. Ultimately a coach and the selection panel has the final say whether a player plays.
Heard from where? Its just something someone on this site put out there as pure speculation
conjecture not speculation
whats the difference?
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I wear spectacles when speculating and a condom when conjeculating?
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:lol
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Maric on the mend
richmondfc.com.au
March 4, 2014 1:00 PM
You can’t keep a good big man down . . .
Just a week after undergoing surgery on a troublesome ankle, key Richmond ruckman Ivan Maric was back out on the training track on Punt Road Oval, at the ME Bank Centre.
Maric is making steady progress after having bone spurs removed from the ankle.
“It’s pretty good. I haven’t done much for the last week . . . just been sitting on the couch, so it’s feeling not too bad,” Maric told ‘Roar Vision’.
“I was off crutches after about two days and was out there today doing some hand skills. It was good to get out of the house.”
Full article:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-03-04/maric-on-the-mend
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And here's Big Ivan talking about it:
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-03-04/maric-injury-update
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Big Ivan back at training today although not surprisingly restricted to handballing in the rehab group.
(http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gp/476883221.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=3&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QXtD%2fumDpdVuX%2bRgvisaCx9fc3E0XST%2f%2fn9K02Sp4aQa)
http://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/ivan-maric-takes-part-in-handball-drills-during-a-richmond-news-photo/476883221
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Maric on the mend
richmondfc.com.au
March 4, 2014 1:00 PM
You can’t keep a good big man down . . .
Just a week after undergoing surgery on a troublesome ankle, key Richmond ruckman Ivan Maric was back out on the training track on Punt Road Oval, at the ME Bank Centre.
Maric is making steady progress after having bone spurs removed from the ankle.
“It’s pretty good. I haven’t done much for the last week . . . just been sitting on the couch, so it’s feeling not too bad,” Maric told ‘Roar Vision’.
“I was off crutches after about two days and was out there today doing some hand skills. It was good to get out of the house.”
Full article:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-03-04/maric-on-the-mend
great to hear, hope the good news continues :clapping
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Idiot medical team.
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Idiot medical team.
What have they done now?
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Same. Decide he needs surgery in February when he should have had it scraped last year when he had his groin done.
Fkwits
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Who's injured... :whistle
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Mm, yes, I see what's going on.
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Same. Decide he needs surgery in February when he should have had it scraped last year when he had his groin done.
stuffwits
Completely lacks in logic
Surgery puts him out for 7-8 weeks, do it in at seasons end and hes back in full running by Christmas, its not like he was going to do full running in that time anyway recovering from you know, groin surgery ::)
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Astoundingly stupid yet consistent.
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Astoundingly stupid yet consistent.
Maric said on Telly the other night that surgery was the last resort after trying a couple of other things. Unless you know what those other things were, and can explain why they were always destined to fail, then i dont think you're in any position to comment.
In other words, stop pretending like you have the slightest idea about our players injuries. You We have NFI. End of story.