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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: WA Tiger on March 30, 2014, 09:32:20 AM
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After watching our game, the Sydney/Pies, Crows/Port game, comparatively we look slow and indecisive. I hope it's just round 2 syndrome but we moved the ball much quicker...??
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What ?
:cheers
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Get Matt White
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Get Matt White
Nah. Greg is better! ;D
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:huh3
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I think we're a quick team, but only when we want/need to be.
Carlton is very quick. I think we played at a purposeful pace because we knew we couldn't outrun them. But I predict you'll see faster football from the Tiges in future rounds.
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LOL
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There's absolutely no doubt that we're not a quick team.
We play a high possession game that can come unstuck when teams play 1 on 1 against us and for that reason we are susceptible on the rebound. Teams can out run us when they have the ball.
Not sure where the speed is going to come from because we desperately require players who can break the lines and shake things up as well as chase hard to win it back or win it at ground level.
I'm usually optimistic but this aspect is very worrying IMO.
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Who are the most slow
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Melbourne IMO
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Melbourne IMO
When you can't hit a target you will look ridiculously slow. :lol
We aren't a fast running team. When we are on we move the ball quickly. When we aren't then boy it looks bad. We saw both in the one game on Thursday. Carlton couldn't keep up with our quick ball movement in the first half. Then we were slow and just bombed it long and they were all over us. The day we go for the kill we will beat them by 10-12 goals.
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Melbourne IMO
When you can't hit a target you will look ridiculously slow. :lol
We aren't a fast running team. When we are on we move the ball quickly. When we aren't then boy it looks bad. We saw both in the one game on Thursday. Carlton couldn't keep up with our quick ball movement in the first half. Then we were slow and just bombed it long and they were all over us. The day we go for the kill we will beat them by 10-12 goals.
I think our players should wear blinkers so they can't see the scoreboard. We seem to adjust our game by scores for some reason. I understand why you slow the game down when an opposition team has a run on but you don't do it when you have a run on yourself. It seems a lack footy brains is taking coaching tactics too literally and not using common sense
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You don't need to be superquick. Geelong were never a 'fast' team when they were winning those premierships they had one or 2 like Varcoe breaking the lines and used them accordingly. Same with the hawks. They were/are however very hardworking and move the ball extremely quickly.
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they had one or 2 like Varcoe breaking the lines and used them accordingly.
Who are ours who can do that?
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You don't need to be superquick. Geelong were never a 'fast' team when they were winning those premierships they had one or 2 like Varcoe breaking the lines and used them accordingly. Same with the hawks. They were/are however very hardworking and move the ball extremely quickly.
1 or 2 is all you need though. Someone to scare the other team. We have zero. :banghead
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Melbourne IMO
No.
Which Richmond player currently in the side, is the least fast
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Melbourne IMO
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Which Richmond player currently in the side, is the least fast
Matt Thomas
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Melbourne IMO
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Which Richmond player currently in the side, is the least fast
Cotchin
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Gordo is quick. Not as quick as Greg, but a much better ball user.
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Gordo is quick. Not as quick as Greg, but a much better ball user.
So our VFL team is quick. Doesn't help the AFL team. ;D
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Melbourne IMO
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Which Richmond player currently in the side, is the least fast
Chaplin.
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You don't need to be superquick. Geelong were never a 'fast' team when they were winning those premierships they had one or 2 like Varcoe breaking the lines and used them accordingly. Same with the hawks. They were/are however very hardworking and move the ball extremely quickly.
1 or 2 is all you need though. Someone to scare the other team. We have zero. :banghead
We should utilise Deledio better, he's nigh on the quickest bloke in the game. also, mARTIN IS A LINE BREAKER, DOESNT HAVE INCREDIBLE PACE BUT HIS FIRST 20 METRES(2.90 sec) COUPLED WITH HIS KICKING ALLOWS HIM TO PLAY THAT AT TIMES. (sorry caps cbf re typing)Don't think its that big an issue tbh
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It is an issue. We are slow all over the ground. We particulalry need pace up forward for forward pressure.
Imagine if we had Stephen Hill/ Isaac Smith getting on the end of it instead of Grigg.
It's a big issue, in my view.
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It is an issue. We are slow all over the ground. We particulalry need pace up forward for forward pressure.
Imagine if we had Stephen Hill/ Isaac Smith getting on the end of it instead of Grigg.
It's a big issue, in my view.
We finished 5th last year, so wasn't an issue...
If we move the ball quickly like we used to, pace is not an issue imo. Under Wallace we had one of the quickest sides fat lot of good it did.
Sydney only have 1 speed freak and that's Jetta. When the hawks won their first flag they had no one really. Geelong only had Varcoe its not that big a deal if the side is confident and moving the ball quickly and be able to run hard both ways.
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Hawks had Buddy, Cyril, roughead amogst others in their first flag and even more pace in their second.
Syd also have a bit of pace with Jack, Shaw, Jetta, Maglyn, Malceski
I'm aware that we came fifth last year. Doesn't mean we dont have weaknesses.
IMO we are light on for line breakers and pressure players.
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Hawks had Buddy, Cyril, roughead amogst others in their first flag and even more pace in their second.
Syd also have a bit of pace with Jack, Shaw, Jetta, Maglyn, Malceski
I'm aware that we came fifth last year. Doesn't mean we dont have weaknesses.
IMO we are light on for line breakers and pressure players.
Sorry Willy don't agree with almost all of that.
I think you misunderstood my point - not saying we don't have weaknesses, just disagree that its as big an issue as its being made out to be. If it was - I don't think we would have finished 5th and 2 points away from 4th last season.
Roughhead as a fast line breaker? Buddy is many things, a line breaker he isn't. Cyril was a small fwd and not a line breaking mid in their first flag. Their 2nd flag is a different story with Hill, Smith and now Cyril genuine line breakers and release players, but Im pointing out their first to show it can be done.
Jack is a 2 way hard running inside outside machine, never looked at him as a line breaker? Malceski's pace went when he had his knee op several years ago before their flag, McGlynn is a clever half fwd, but he's hardly got elite speed. Shaw is I agree.
I agree we're light on for pressure players and that can instantly improve if everyone ran hard both ways. THAT'S the real issue for mine, not pace.
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Yarren is a god dam line braker
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Lids could do the job......if he had a heart
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Lids could do the job......if he had a heart
needs to follow the yellow and black brick road :lol
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Fair enough TM. Agree to disagree mate.
Roughy isn't a line breaker per se. But he has real pace and will mow you down if you fudge around in the back half. Buddy is definitely a line breaker in my eyes.
Your right, Jack is not a relaese player but my point is that he has toe and can get to a contest faster than most of our mids.
I just think we looks slow atm. We're lacking players that defenders fret to get goal side of.
Lids doesn't use his pace enough, or maybe our gameplan doesn't liscence him too.
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Lids could do the job......if he had a heart
Haha ! you still angry that your beloved blues got beaten by the mighty tiges ?
Lids has more heart than anyone who plays for your mob.
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Want to see the opposite of us, watch the game again from last night...the Hawks...sheesh!!!! :o
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Want to see the opposite of us, watch the game again from last night...the Hawks...sheesh!!!! :o
agreed, showed how you finish a team off with killer instinct, the Hawks just keep attacking. The minute Freo kicked a goal in the same situation we would have started slowing the game down and invited them back into the game.
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Want to see the opposite of us, watch the game again from last night...the Hawks...sheesh!!!! :o
agreed, showed how you finish a team off with killer instinct, the Hawks just keep attacking. The minute Freo kicked a goal in the same situation we would have started slowing the game down and invited them back into the game.
Agree the Hawks have it all over us, how the poo are we to ever beat them
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Want to see the opposite of us, watch the game again from last night...the Hawks...sheesh!!!! :o
agreed, showed how you finish a team off with killer instinct, the Hawks just keep attacking. The minute Freo kicked a goal in the same situation we would have started slowing the game down and invited them back into the game.
Agree the Hawks have it all over us, how the poo are we to ever beat them
Live in the past if you want, wow we have beaten them, they are much quicker this year and so far we seem slower.
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Gary Lyon, James Brayshaw and Commetti saying we are slow and have no leg speed....but what do they know, they probably don't see many games.... :whistle :whistle :whistle
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After watching the Hawks last night and watching us today we clearly have no pace. This is important to break lines and we simply have no players like this. Note to recruiters, pace pace and more pace otherwise once it's one on one we can't make space whereas the opposition run away from us. The modern style of game uses link runners so until we get some we are going to fall further and further behind the top 8 teams.
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After watching the Hawks last night and watching us today we clearly have no pace. This is important to break lines and we simply have no players like this. Note to recruiters, pace pace and more pace otherwise once it's one on one we can't make space whereas the opposition run away from us. The modern style of game uses link runners so until we get some we are going to fall further and further behind the top 8 teams.
:bow
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Slow in the mind.......... :banghead
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we are slow as treakle and thats just the fact. When you play with a number of slow paced players like Newman Petterd Grigg etc etc. what do you expect?
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Want to see the opposite of us, watch the game again from last night...the Hawks...sheesh!!!! :o
agreed, showed how you finish a team off with killer instinct, the Hawks just keep attacking. The minute Freo kicked a goal in the same situation we would have started slowing the game down and invited them back into the game.
Agree the Hawks have it all over us, how the poo are we to ever beat them
Live in the past if you want, wow we have beaten them, they are much quicker this year and so far we seem slower.
What facts do you have to back that up, or are you just pulling poo out of your rectum....again
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Yeah watch us miss the 8 this year but hey if we beat Hawthorn again at least the delusuional "brightsiders" will have their irrelevent little crutch to lean on for yet another year.
Pace is clearly a problem..if you can't see that then clearly you need to lift your eyes and watch the game instead of checking your gay phones every five stuffing seconds for text messages from your idiot mates.
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Fears realised. :(
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We need two fast and clever HFFs in the mould of Walters and Ballantyne/ Rioli and Hill.
Tell Blair to go and get them.
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We need two fast and clever HFFs in the mould of Walters and Ballantyne/ Rioli and Hill.
Tell Blair to go and get them.
They need to be delisted first - preferably from a club that finishes below us on the ladder. Moneyball!
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Not enough gut running.
Not to the level of the opposition both weeks
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How many times today were we 2nd to the loose ball again?
How many running bounces where we burnt a Hawk off?
Cement leg Tigers.
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Too many times....
I noticed on numerous occasions hawks players 10 meters ahead of our guys in one on one sprints to the pill! Please our best preseason, I'm tired!!
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Too many times....
I noticed on numerous occasions hawks players 10 meters ahead of our guys in one on one sprints to the pill! Please our best preseason, I'm tired!!
I can't wait till we have our worst preseason! :whistle
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Hardwick keeps saying our sideways movement and slow buildup is not part of the gameplan, i simply cannot believe this given over the first 6 weeks we have played this style consistently. The other thing which was noticeable today was that the first instinct of players was to head to the wings. On one occasion Martin had the ball and there were three tigers unmarked in the centre corridor but he chipped out to the wing where the receiver went back from his mark. Immediately all players upfield were marked to which the next kick went to a contest where of course the Hawks accepted the loose ball. This has happened week in week out, sick and tired of Hardwick claiming this is of the players own doing, thats BS. I would prefer the players play on at every opportunity and if caught with the ball then so be it. Simply chipping around until we make the standard skill error resulting in a rebound goal is just cruel to subject us supporters to every week.
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Hardwick keeps saying our sideways movement and slow buildup is not part of the gameplan, i simply cannot believe this given over the first 6 weeks we have played this style consistently. The other thing which was noticeable today was that the first instinct of players was to head to the wings. On one occasion Martin had the ball and there were three tigers unmarked in the centre corridor but he chipped out to the wing where the receiver went back from his mark. Immediately all players upfield were marked to which the next kick went to a contest where of course the Hawks accepted the loose ball. This has happened week in week out, sick and tired of Hardwick claiming this is of the players own doing, thats BS. I would prefer the players play on at every opportunity and if caught with the ball then so be it. Simply chipping around until we make the standard skill error resulting in a rebound goal is just cruel to subject us supporters to every week.
Made the same comment to a mate at the game. I also said I wouldn't care if they got caught. Just play on immediately at all cost down the corridor and not to the wings. It couldn't be worse than the slop we are being fed with.
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How many times today were we 2nd to the loose ball again?
How many running bounces where we burnt a Hawk off?
Cement leg Tigers.
Haven't checked the stats myself but a mate told me we had 2 running bounces for the game, hawks 19. Players just not prepared to take em on
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How many times today were we 2nd to the loose ball again?
How many running bounces where we burnt a Hawk off?
Cement leg Tigers.
Haven't checked the stats myself but a mate told me we had 2 running bounces for the game, hawks 19. Players just not prepared to take em on
Lack of foot speed and lack of confidence.
Not quick enough hence we chip/handball sideways to someone else until the inevitable turnover.
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Made the same comment to a mate at the game. I also said I wouldn't care if they got caught. Just play on immediately at all cost down the corridor and not to the wings. It couldn't be worse than the slop we are being fed with.
Funny said the same thing too
Said if we make mistakes taking the game on then I'd live with it. Rather that than then taking what seems likes 5 minutes to move the ball 5 metres and gifting the ball to the opposition
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Should've upgraded Banfumbles.
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Just heard Matty White is not even in the top ten runners at Port
Gee wizz what the hell is going on at Punt Road
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Nothing is happening at Punt Road. Absolutely Nothing.
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On second thought, let's not go to Richmond. It is a silly place.
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We seemed quicker today. It funny how fast you seem when you take the game on.
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And play with some actual balls. Play direct football. Put your opponents under pressure by forcing a contest.
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When you move the ball quickly and play on you are no longer slow :)
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Remove.the turnover kings (Grigg/Chaplin) from the side and the results will follow, without turnovers today we win the game. We must be leading the comp in clangers.
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Told yas footspeed was overrated okay? :shh
Players haven't magically become sub 11sec 100 metre runners over the past 9 weeks, so whats changed?
Quick and direct ball movement is and always will be king - sure, elite footspeed can be the icing on the cake but fast ball movement will get you to 90% of the journey.
you're welcome
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Told yas footspeed was overrated okay? :shh
Players haven't magically become sub 11sec 100 metre runners over the past 9 weeks, so whats changed?
Quick and direct ball movement is and always will be king - sure, elite footspeed can be the icing on the cake but fast ball movement will get you to 90% of the journey.
you're welcome
Maybe so but I'd rather have a few linebreakers than none and you still need legspeed when you haven't got the ball.
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Quick ball movement and leg speed are two different things. Don't get why people think one can replace the other. Both are important.
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Quick ball movement and leg speed are two different things. Don't get why people think one can replace the other. Both are important.
Hang on Willy, this discussion earlier in the season was all about our lack of leg speed and how our lack of it was a major contributor to where we were at. I always said that leg speed was over rated and what was more important was the way you move the ball.
Last I checked there was no injection of serious pace in the side at 3-10 so i'd say improving ball movement is pretty much the sole contributor of the two.
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Told yas footspeed was overrated okay? :shh
Players haven't magically become sub 11sec 100 metre runners over the past 9 weeks, so whats changed?
Quick and direct ball movement is and always will be king - sure, elite footspeed can be the icing on the cake but fast ball movement will get you to 90% of the journey.
you're welcome
Yeah nah
Still reckon there's a spot for a Alen Christiansen or yarren
In the spot of an Anglo Saxon plodder
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Told yas footspeed was overrated okay? :shh
Players haven't magically become sub 11sec 100 metre runners over the past 9 weeks, so whats changed?
Quick and direct ball movement is and always will be king - sure, elite footspeed can be the icing on the cake but fast ball movement will get you to 90% of the journey.
you're welcome
Yeah nah
Still reckon there's a spot for a Alen Christiansen or yarren
In the spot of an Anglo Saxon plodder
Of course there is you silly prick - I never said plodders only - like I said in my bump post - 90% ball movement - elite legspeed is the icing on the cake
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Quick ball movement and leg speed are two different things. Don't get why people think one can replace the other. Both are important.
Hang on Willy, this discussion earlier in the season was all about our lack of leg speed and how our lack of it was a major contributor to where we were at. I always said that leg speed was over rated and what was more important was the way you move the ball.
Last I checked there was no injection of serious pace in the side at 3-10 so i'd say improving ball movement is pretty much the sole contributor of the two.
I agree that quicker ball movement has been a catalyst for our turnaround. But that doesn't mean we wouldn't be even better with greater leg speed. My point is that both are important and one cannot mask the other. When Hawthorn are exposed they are exposed through their lack of leg speed in the guts, ie. Geelong's first half on the weekend.
If Cotch had a bit more toe he might have caught Hannebury instead of being resigned to shoving him as he kicked.
Line-breakers are important and we need more of them.
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Looked pretty slow last game
More so when a team like wce plays the press high and with intelligences
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:facepalm
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:facepalm
Are we one of the quicker sides :huh
Looked out of options for breaking down the defensive tactics for mine.
Not fast enough to run though itnot skilled enough to kick to the other side
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:facepalm
;) :lol
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Remove.the turnover kings (Grigg/Chaplin) from the side and the results will follow, without turnovers today we win the game. We must be leading the comp in clangers.
They also happen to be the least fast