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Richmond VFL change of venue
richmondfc.com.au
April 15, 2014 6:00 PM
Richmond’s Round 3 VFL match this Saturday has changed venues, due to unfinished redevelopment works at the ME Bank Centre.
The Tigers were scheduled to play their first home game on Punt Road Oval at the ME Bank Centre this Saturday against Williamstown, however the game will now be played at Burbank Oval, in Williamstown, at 12.15pm on Saturday, April 19.
The Club has been completing a number of works around the oval to enable VFL games to be played at the venue, however the unfinished redevelopment has resulted in the venue not being cleared for use by AFL Victoria.
“This is obviously a disappointing outcome, given we recently hosted a practice match between Richmond and Essendon at the venue in front of 2500 fans,” said Richmond’s CEO Brendon Gale.
“However, we respect the decision of AFL Victoria, and look forward to completing the necessary works as soon as possible. We remain hopeful that the venue will be cleared for use for our scheduled VFL fixture against Geelong on Sunday, May 4.”
Supporters can still attend the match at Burbank Oval (entry is $10), or follow Richmond's VFL Twitter @RichmondVFL for live updates, scores and stats.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-04-15/richmond-vfl-change-of-venue
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A lot closer to home :clapping
Have to say I'm not surprised. Works not finished meant AFL Victoria would never give sign off
AFL Victoria can be a fussy beast ;D ;)
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WP your favorite play running around in the Western Suburbs?
Hopefully Shaun has a GPS and knows how to use
Malvern to Willy shouldn't be too hard
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What a joke they get an extra home game
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K R A P :banghead
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Sack everyone
Dimma
Bj
Penny
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WP your favorite play running around in the Western Suburbs?
Hopefully Shaun has a GPS and knows how to use
Malvern to Willy shouldn't be too hard
Will believe Grigg isn't playing when I see the outs and he isn't even named as an emergency tomorrow evening Jack ;D
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What a joke they get an extra home game
Do we play them again? If we do I assume the venue would be swapped the second time around….
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What a joke they get an extra home game
Do we play them again? If we do I assume the venue would be swapped the second time around….
Nope don't play them again
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What a joke they get an extra home game
Do we play them again? If we do I assume the venue would be swapped the second time around….
Nope don't play them again
Thanks WP. :thumbsup
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The game will no longer be the ABC TV match this week either.
Richmond VFL @RichmondVFL twitter:
"We'll also have Richmond VFL Radio back this weekend, now that the game isn't on ABC-TV. Tune in on Saturday Tiger fans!"
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Richmond Round 3 VFL match details:
Richmond v Williamstown
Saturday, April 19 at 12.15pm
Burbank Oval, Morris Street, Williamstown
Richmond VFL Squad
11 Jake Batchelor
22 Todd Banfield
26 Anthony Miles
27 Aaron Edwards
28 Jake King
29 Ty Vickery
32 Brad Helbig
33 Kamdyn McIntosh
34 Liam McBean
35 Ben Lennon
36 Matt McDonough
37 Orren Stephenson
41 Nathan Foley
43 Todd Elton
45 Brett O'Hanlon
48 Ben Darrou
51 Nathan Batsanis
52 Clayton McCartney
53 Ed Barlow
54 James Wall
55 Ryan Bathie
58 Mitch Keddell
60 Ross Young
61 Ben Waite
63 Rian McGough
66 Gerard Gleeson
70 Andrew McQualter
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-04-16/round-3-vfl-squad
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Bump. Game starts in 5 mins.
Feel free to post score updates. I'll be much appreciated.
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Miraculous bounce across the line and the Tiges have their first through Vickery.
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Willy get their first but Kingy roves a pack in the goalsquare and snaps Richmond's second to get the reply.
Tigers by 5.
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Goal to Willy.
Rich 2.0-12
Will 2.3-15
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Willy have the breeze and have kicked the last 4 goals. The last one a gift thanks to a 50m penalty :scream.
12 - 33
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Strong tackle from Kingy inside 50 wins a free kick but he misses.
13 - 33
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Another goal to them :P.
13 - 40
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Quarter time
Richmond 2.1-13
Williamstown 6.4-40
Goals: Vickery, King.
We'll have the breeze in the 2nd qtr.
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VFL Radio is normally on Aussie digital but not today? :huh
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VFL Radio is normally on Aussie digital but not today? :huh
Give this a go One eyed. :)
http://tige.rs/1ir9nCN
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We're dominating possession but could only kick 3 points. Then Williamstown kicked the first goal of the second quarter.
Rich 2.4-16
Will 7.6-48
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VFL Radio is normally on Aussie digital but not today? :huh
Give this a go One eyed. :)
http://tige.rs/1ir9nCN
Cheers HMH. I'm diving in and out so I wanted the radio coverage as well.
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Elton kicks a much-needed goal for the Tiges. Great work from Helbig to win the turnover that started the move.
Trail by 34 pts.
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And that's half-time. Just one goal with the breeze despite dominating possession :P.
Richmond 2.1 3.4-22
Williamstown 6.4 8.8-56
Goals: Vickery, King, Elton.
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Tigers major ball winners to half-time were:
Batchelor 22 disposals
Miles 15
Batsanis 14
Lennon 14
Helbig 13
McDonough 13
O'Hanlon 12.
Into the third qtr now. McIntosh with a goal.
Rich 4.4-28
Will 11.10-76
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Obviously big VFL fans here :laugh:.
McIntosh, McCartney, McBean kicked goals in the 3rd. We trailed 41-97 at 3/4 time.
McDonough hits McBean for his 2nd to start the last.
Rich 7.6-48
Will 16.13-109
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I am following your reports OE and appreciating them, cheers.
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I think it has more to do with the score WAT ;D.
80 points down and heading for 100 yet we supposedly have the breeze :help.
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Sack Hardwick
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Have we kicked a goal with the breeze?
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Sack Hardwick
Needs to be lynched in a public display.
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McBean kicks his third.
Final score
Richmond 2.1 3.4 6.5 8.11-59
Williamstown 6.4 8.8 14.13 19.15.129
Goals: McBean 3, Vickery, King, McIntosh, Elton, McCartney.
Bests: Batchelor, Lennon, Miles, McBean, McDonough
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Sack Hardwick
Needs to be lynched in a public display.
Get it done Tiges :clapping
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Have we kicked a goal with the breeze?
We kicked just 3 goals in total with the breeze in two quarters. This is Point Gellibrand remember where it blows a gale. We actually kicked more (5) into the wind :huh3.
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Bring back Andrew Collins & the Burgers.
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Bring back Andrew Collins & the Burgers.
At least it would have been an exciting 100 point flogging then!
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I think it has more to do with the score WAT ;D.
80 points down and heading for 100 yet we supposedly have the breeze :help.
No worries. Bloody hell, I still don't know how we can develop players under these circumstances. I suppose at least a few of the boys have stood up. What's happened to Foley?
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Bring back Andrew Collins & the Burgers.
At least it would have been an exciting 100 point flogging then!
50 metre running goals from JON in the last to narrow the gap to double figures!
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Bring back Andrew Collins & the Burgers.
At least it would have been an exciting 100 point flogging then!
We'd be still winless without spliting from Coburg ;).
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Bring back Andrew Collins & the Burgers.
At least it would have been an exciting 100 point flogging then!
50 metre running goals from JON in the last to narrow the gap to double figures!
:lol
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Good to see batchelor putting the blow torch to chaplins posi in the side,
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Bring back Andrew Collins & the Burgers.
At least it would have been an exciting 100 point flogging then!
We'd be still winless without spliting from Coburg ;).
I see what you did there OE! :lol
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I thought this vfl side might have made the top 4. Very poor effort
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I thought this vfl side might have made the top 4. Very poor effort
Who Needs to pAy the price for this disgrace?
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I think tim Clark's number might be up, he s a runner not a damned coach. His results tell the story,
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I thought this vfl side might have made the top 4. Very poor effort
Who Needs to pAy the price for this disgrace?
It's probably our culture
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I think tim Clark's number might be up, he s a runner not a damned coach. His results tell the story,
Could save money by running his own messages out to the players! ;D
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I thought this vfl side might have made the top 4. Very poor effort
Who Needs to pAy the price for this disgrace?
It's probably our culture
FFs 30 years of this crap culture
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Bring back Andrew Collins & the Burgers.
At least it would have been an exciting 100 point flogging then!
We'd be still winless without spliting from Coburg ;).
Ah, very good.
I thought this vfl side might have made the top 4. Very poor effort
Most people expected us to be poo in the first season or two. Though it hasn't seemed to be a problem for Footscray.
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It comes down a lot to the standard of our VFL-listed players. We don't have a decent local league to draw them from.
VFL website's bests:
BEST:
Williamstown: Meese Jolley Owen Banner Wheeler Fahey
Richmond Tigers: Banfield Batchelor Conca Lennon Batsanis McDONOUGH
https://reg.sportingpulse.com/olr_v5/rpt_progressive.cgi?aID=4138&pg=1&a=MR
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Still reckon we should've at least rookied Willie Wheeler when he was with Coburg. Dylan Murphy was stiff too. Also liked that stuff we had...what was his name.....Fahey? Would've at least been better than the likes of Hicks, Maric & Silvestor
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Would much prefer an Under 25 competetion for AFL reserves and bring them back to playing curtain raisers.
Any over 25 player who isn't in best 22 is given to a VFL affiliate club.
Have AFL kids vs AFL kids. This development is pointless.
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sorry guys ..already posted ..computer is playing up
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What good attributes would you say mcdonuts displays?
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Bachelor :clapping
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Still reckon we should've at least rookied Willie Wheeler when he was with Coburg. Dylan Murphy was stiff too. Also liked that stuff we had...what was his name.....Fahey? Would've at least been better than the likes of Hicks, Maric & Silvestor
Not sure he d make much difference,
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Rolled up to see the game.
I thought the disease that's infected the ones is there to see in the seconds.There was fumbling on a grand scale,there was kicking to Mr nobody,there was a lack of hard running,there was unaccountable football.....sound familiar?
Of the boys on the park
I thought Donut was clearly our best..Ran hard ,contested hard,and gave it to the opposition by words and effort.
Helbig battled admirably all day
Ohanlon and Elton got into it late but the fat lady had already sung her song by then
Vickery..if I had to rate him I would give him 2 out 10.one for turning up and one for the steal he did late in the 3rd.
lennon very good and polished skills .has a football brain this kid...but also faded in the second half
Kingy...didn't notice him much at all
Batch had plenty of the ball ,but just blazed away at times
Miles....burrows in and gets plenty of the ball,but kicking seems a bit ify
the worrying part for me was foley.Played the first quarter but wasn't seen again...Don't know if he was injured or what
almost forgot
Mcbean kicked a few but meh
darou oh so freaken slow
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It comes down a lot to the standard of our VFL-listed players. We don't have a decent local league to draw them from.
VFL website's bests:
BEST:
Williamstown: Meese Jolley Owen Banner Wheeler Fahey
Richmond Tigers: Banfield Batchelor Conca Lennon Batsanis McDONOUGH
https://reg.sportingpulse.com/olr_v5/rpt_progressive.cgi?aID=4138&pg=1&a=MR
Banfield? hmmmm obviously I was at a different game. Another example of people getting seduced by possessions
Thought Batchelor was very good
Foley came off in the 2nd qtr and didn't return. Tight calf I believe, precautionary.
Lennon was ok, he's a very good kick but really needs to build his tank to enable him to give greater. 2nd efforts
Think Mr OE makes a very good point regarding our VFL listed players the gap between their skill level and our young players is staggering at times. I lost count of the number of times a VFL listed bloke would be clear under no pressure and they turned it over kick straight to the opposition. They end up dragging down the skill level across the ground IMHO.
Player I was most disappointed in was Ben Darrou, his 2nd qtr was fantastic but after that he dropped away dramatically. Have to question his fitness levels he certainly ran out of "puff". He also was responsible for the worst , softest spoil I have ever seen and do I mean ever seen. One on one (he had the back position) has a teammate a metre in front all he had to was hit to his teammate, he literally tapped it with his fist to the get of his opponent. It looked terrible, really terrible
Can also report I sighted Aaron Davey today he was at the game decked out in his RFC gear (hoodie, tracky pants etc) watching with his kids ;D
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Just saw banfield as one of our best...lmao
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Rolled up to see the game.
I thought the disease that's infected the ones is there to see in the seconds.There was fumbling on a grand scale,there was kicking to Mr nobody,there was a lack of hard running,there was unaccountable football.....sound familiar?
Of the boys on the park
I thought Donut was clearly our best..Ran hard ,contested hard,and gave it to the opposition by words and effort.
Helbig battled admirably all day
Ohanlon and Elton got into it late but the fat lady had already sung her song by then
Vickery..if I had to rate him I would give him 2 out 10.one for turning up and one for the steal he did late in the 3rd.
lennon very good and polished skills .has a football brain this kid...but also faded in the second half
Kingy...didn't notice him much at all
Batch had plenty of the ball ,but just blazed away at times
Miles....burrows in and gets plenty of the ball,but kicking seems a bit ify
the worrying part for me was foley.Played the first quarter but wasn't seen again...Don't know if he was injured or what
almost forgot
Mcbean kicked a few but meh
darou oh so freaken slow
I noticed Kingy giving away 50 m penalties - think there was at least 3 may have been 4 ;D
Gigantor, in defence of Batch and his blazing away, I thought a compile of times he had very little choice as he had no options running forward. The lack of hard defensive running was like watching the AFL boys in all rounds this year.
As for Tyrone, couldn't clunk a mark to save himself but what I was pleased to see was that a couple of times he actually chased, tackled and gave 2nd & 3rd effort. Granted you could have counted them on one hand but at least he did it a couple of times. Because let's be honest he hasn't done it all this season at AFL level. Shouldn't get an AFL recall after today, he is a long long way off
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I would have thought in the seconds Ty would have commanded front spot in marking duels yet he still seemed happy to stay back....He wasn't clunking them in the seconds and he sure as hell aint going to clunk them in the ones playing like that
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Mail is Vickery won't be back
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Mail is Vickery won't be back
Well based on what he dished up today that's not exactly an statement of great enlightenment Jack ;D
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jack he couldn't possibly be back..he did nada,exerted no influence on the game,his opponent,the forward line.
I have been a fan of his for a long time ,but today when he should have grabbed this game by the family jewels he went missing ...again
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Unless a tall gets injured he won't be getting a game
A.Edwards will get his chance soon when fit
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woud you play Mcbean jack?
Granted he doesn't seem ready,but an extended run in the ones might do the trick
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Remember its not about winning in the seconds
Tim Clarke doing an outstanding job down there
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agree its not about winning,but surely you want to see the basics of football at least done well
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And another thing ,whats with these modern day coaches not raising their voices..Its like a horse whisperers convention in those huddles
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G, does Elton look like he could play senior football, or o hanlon
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Elton............today?,now?,.....no
ohanlon..don't know Bo..I know others here like him a lot so maybe I'm missing something on him
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Remember its not about winning in the seconds
Tim Clarke doing an outstanding job down there
You've been good lately mr Angus.
Like a dog with a bone. :lol
Monkeyball.....brilliant!
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agree its not about winning,but surely you want to see the basics of football at least done well
Have said it before and I know the likes of Angus mock me about it (see his most recent post) but the results aren't important the development of our young players is and should be the main focus
I said this to friend today I don't care about the result. What I am interested in is seeing the likes of McBean, McIntosh, Elton show that they are learning and that when they are ready for AFL that they look like they belong there. Rather than what has has been the case on the past someone going out there and they look out of their depth. I also think it it's about players like Helbig, Batchelor etc getting the confidence that makes them believe they are good enough for AFL. Don't think we've developed that mentality well in the past. But to achieve this you need to be competitive and at least show some sort of commitment to the contest.
Which brings us to Tim Clarke, IMHO and based on my own criteria that I've tried to explain above Clarke clearly isn't doing his job well. Because the development isn't where it needs to be
McBean is the perfect example, his lack of intensity today along with a number of players is a major concern.
Clarke's job is in part ensuring that these kids understand that intensity, desperation and want are part of the game. Skills and natural ability will only get you as far, that's where he is failing IMV not with the results but how the players are applying themselves and that's in no way acceptable
woud you play Mcbean jack?
Granted he doesn't seem ready,but an extended run in the ones might do the trick
I know you asked Jack, but again my view, there is no way I'd play him at the moment outside not being ready to play him now would just be gifting him a game and I don't think that's what this kid needs right now. Gift him a run of games and you run the risk of creating another Vickery
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Elton............today?,now?,.....no
ohanlon..don't know Bo..I know others here like him a lot so maybe I'm missing something on him
Agree with you Gigantor, Elton was very poor today, like McBean lacked intensity
I am not a fan of O'Hanlon. Today he reminded why. Was MIA far too much today and very average skills when he did get it
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Elton............today?,now?,.....no
ohanlon..don't know Bo..I know others here like him a lot so maybe I'm missing something on him
Agree with you Gigantor, Elton was very poor today, like McBean lacked intensity
I am not a fan of O'Hanlon. Today he reminded why. Was MIA far too much today and very average skills when he did get it
Do you think our youngsters are poor or just poorly coached WP?
We can't be getting it wrong all the time, can we?
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I reckon we would be much better off having an experienced coach in charge down their, tim Clark is a rookies rookie coach, what's he gonna teach. Poor choice , and his results have been terrible
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Would like Andy Collins back coaching our 2's.
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Me too smokey......hes a gem
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Mail is Vickery won't be back
Ever?
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Young Tigers impress in VFL loss
John Lindon
April 19, 2014 5:21 PM
Richmond’s VFL side struggled to utilise the breeze against Williamstown, going down to the in-form side by 70 points at Burbank Oval on Saturday afternoon.
The Tigers fielded 16 AFL-listed players and fought well but couldn’t convert their hard work into scoreboard pressure, and were well held by a classy Williamstown team.
Anthony Miles’ impressive form saw him tagged for the majority of the game but the ex-Giant lifted again. Despite the close attention, he was constantly first to ball and collected a team-high 31 disposals and six clearances.
Jake Batchelor was a loose man in down back for the Tigers, but moved up the ground and constantly provided inside-50 entries. He worked tirelessly in the backline spoiling well and finished with 30 possessions in what was his best game of 2014.
Ben Lennon (28 possession) also delivered his best performance for the Tigers floating across the half-back line. He presented well, moved the ball on quickly and took 16 marks.
Matt McDonough collected 20 touches and was a standout with his run and carry.
Brad Helbig had five rebound 50s.
Liam McBean, who finished with three goals, regularly led up the ground to ensure he had an influence.
WILLIAMSTOWN 6.4 8.8 14.13 19.15
RICHMOND 2.1 3.4 6.5 8.11
Goals: McBean 3, Elton, Vickery, King, McIntosh, McCartney
Best: Miles, Lennon, Batchelor, McDonough, Young, McBean
Injuries: Foley – calf tightness, Barlow – Hamstring soreness
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-04-19/young-tigers-impress-in-vfl-loss
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Miles 31 with a tag... :banghead
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the worrying part for me was foley.Played the first quarter but wasn't seen again...Don't know if he was injured or what
Well spotted Gigantor. Foley injured (calf tightness).
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Lennon 16 marks. Get him into the side ASAP.
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Young Tigers impress in VFL loss
John Lindon
April 19, 2014 5:21 PM
Richmond’s VFL side struggled to utilise the breeze against Williamstown, going down to the in-form side by 70 points at Burbank Oval on Saturday afternoon.
The Tigers fielded 16 AFL-listed players and fought well but couldn’t convert their hard work into scoreboard pressure, and were well held by a classy Williamstown team.
Anthony Miles’ impressive form saw him tagged for the majority of the game but the ex-Giant lifted again. Despite the close attention, he was constantly first to ball and collected a team-high 31 disposals and six clearances.
Jake Batchelor was a loose man in down back for the Tigers, but moved up the ground and constantly provided inside-50 entries. He worked tirelessly in the backline spoiling well and finished with 30 possessions in what was his best game of 2014.
Ben Lennon (28 possession) also delivered his best performance for the Tigers floating across the half-back line. He presented well, moved the ball on quickly and took 16 marks.
Matt McDonough collected 20 touches and was a standout with his run and carry.
Brad Helbig had five rebound 50s.
Liam McBean, who finished with three goals, regularly led up the ground to ensure he had an influence.
WILLIAMSTOWN 6.4 8.8 14.13 19.15
RICHMOND 2.1 3.4 6.5 8.11
Goals: McBean 3, Elton, Vickery, King, McIntosh, McCartney
Best: Miles, Lennon, Batchelor, McDonough, Young, McBean
Injuries: Foley – calf tightness, Barlow – Hamstring soreness, Vickery weak as pee, heart size of a pea
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-04-19/young-tigers-impress-in-vfl-loss
Injuries edited for accuracy
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Not promoting Miles over the Big O is the biggest mistake of the season.
We should be playing Miles and Lennon in the same side as Lloyd and Gordon next week...
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Would like Andy Collins back coaching our 2's.
He was too busy coaching the winning side Smokey
the worrying part for me was foley.Played the first quarter but wasn't seen again...Don't know if he was injured or what
Well spotted Gigantor. Foley injured (calf tightness).
:huh3 :huh3
What about me?
I posted this
Foley came off in the 2nd qtr and didn't return. Tight calf I believe, precautionary.
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Do you think our youngsters are poor or just poorly coached WP?
We can't be getting it wrong all the time, can we?
I think it is some cases it is a combination of both
Reckon some of our youngsters have question marks over them. Good example is O'Hanlon I am not sure about him! Therefore not a fan. Obviously I don't see in him what others do. I see a bloke who when under no pressure looks Ok but when under pressure looks slow not only speed wise but decision making wise with average skills.
I then see kids who at VFL level look a million bucks but when they get to chance at AFL level they play like they if they make a mistake they are going to get dropped. Great examples are Helbig & Batchelor. Last year Helbig played one game in Perth. Played "nervous" like he was worried about making a mistake. To me that's a development/coaching issue
I see a lot of talent in a lot of our kids eg McBean, McIntosh, Elton but they all seem to lack something to get them to the next level. Again to me that is a development coaching issue
Then throw in this on going issue of gifting AFL games to favourites then you have kids losing belief that they will get an opportunity. That is clearly a coaching issue
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Do you think our youngsters are poor or just poorly coached WP?
We can't be getting it wrong all the time, can we?
I think it is some cases it is a combination of both
Reckon some of our youngsters have question marks over them. Good example is O'Hanlon I am not sure about him! Therefore not a fan. Obviously I don't see in him what others do. I see a bloke who when under no pressure looks Ok but when under pressure looks slow not only speed wise but decision making wise with average skills.
I then see kids who at VFL level look a million bucks but when they get to chance at AFL level they play like they if they make a mistake they are going to get dropped. Great examples are Helbig & Batchelor. Last year Helbig played one game in Perth. Played "nervous" like he was worried about making a mistake. To me that's a development/coaching issue
I see a lot of talent in a lot of our kids eg McBean, McIntosh, Elton but they all seem to lack something to get them to the next level. Again to me that is a development coaching issue
Then throw in this on going issue of gifting AFL games to favourites then you have kids losing belief that they will get an opportunity. That is clearly an coaching issue
Terrific, just terrific?
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Do you think our youngsters are poor or just poorly coached WP?
We can't be getting it wrong all the time, can we?
I think it is some cases it is a combination of both
Reckon some of our youngsters have question marks over them. Good example is O'Hanlon I am not sure about him! Therefore not a fan. Obviously I don't see in him what others do. I see a bloke who when under no pressure looks Ok but when under pressure looks slow not only speed wise but decision making wise with average skills.
I then see kids who at VFL level look a million bucks but when they get to chance at AFL level they play like they if they make a mistake they are going to get dropped. Great examples are Helbig & Batchelor. Last year Helbig played one game in Perth. Played "nervous" like he was worried about making a mistake. To me that's a development/coaching issue
I see a lot of talent in a lot of our kids eg McBean, McIntosh, Elton but they all seem to lack something to get them to the next level. Again to me that is a development coaching issue
Then throw in this on going issue of gifting AFL games to favourites then you have kids losing belief that they will get an opportunity. That is clearly an coaching issue
Terrific, just terrific?
:lol :lol
Yep
:thumbsup
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I then see kids who at VFL level look a million bucks but when they get to chance at AFL level they play like they if they make a mistake they are going to get dropped. Great examples are Helbig & Batchelor. Last year Helbig played one game in Perth. Played "nervous" like he was worried about making a mistake. To me that's a development/coaching issue
I would argue it was poor leadership.
It's the leaders job to make a kid feel as though he's good enough as well as comfortable on the field.
We definitely have poor leadership.
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I then see kids who at VFL level look a million bucks but when they get to chance at AFL level they play like they if they make a mistake they are going to get dropped. Great examples are Helbig & Batchelor. Last year Helbig played one game in Perth. Played "nervous" like he was worried about making a mistake. To me that's a development/coaching issue
I would argue it was poor leadership.
It's the leaders job to make a kid feel as though he's good enough as well as comfortable on the field.
We definitely have poor leadership.
Good point Ox, fair call
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I dont believe results are really important at VFL level nevertheless you cant be losing by these margins therefore the coaching position has to be changed. I would like to see Mark Williams (the Good One) takeover this role until the end of the season and he can also assist coach when he can in the seniors. Its a big job but we cant afford to have the likes of Lennon and McBean and Elton and McDonough and Helbig etc wallowing in this type of environment. These boys need to have a bit poo put into them and Williams Im sure can get them to the next level.
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Some interesting points WP
Hope for the sake of players like Miles and co they dont give up nor stop believing in the system.
Dimma has to stop gifting games to ......... etc, need to take a step back now to go forward I believe.
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The game "plan" mimicked seniors, first option look sideways and when we go forward too late! Not good at all
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Heard Troy Chaplin on sen today pre game to pies - kangas and he said chipping sideways and slowing down is definitely not the gameplan, however he couldn't answer why it was happening - just a lack of confidence I suppose
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 said Jake King only had 10 possies today and gave away a few 50m penalties and that Vickery didn't do much either to earn a seniors recall. Richo said Williamstown is not a fun place for tall forwards to play at given the terrible windy conditions.
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Williamstown forwards did okay.
Pea hearted maggots.
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Mark Stevens on Ch 7 said Jake King only had 10 possies today and gave away a few 50m penalties and that Vickery didn't do much either to earn a seniors recall. Richo said Williamstown is not a fun place for tall forwards to play at given the terrible windy conditions.
In other words Vickery didn't get it on a silver platter and was exposed as a mediocre tall forward.
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Vickery had 14 possessions.
(http://images.theage.com.au/2014/04/19/5362648/art-353-svVICKERY-300x0.jpg)
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/williamstowns-fledgling-seagulls-spread-their-wings-in-vfl-20140419-36xsn.html
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The heraldsun today running with the story that Vickery answered the call and stood up? :huh
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The heraldsun today running with the story that Vickery answered the call and stood up? :huh
When Griff had those sort of performances last year, there was never any media trying to pump him up.
What's going on?
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Is the Herald sun asking the question or telling us that's what Ty did?............If its the later I think this herald sun journalist mistook the Sunshne George cross V Ringwood city Whilemena game for the Tiges game
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Is the Herald sun asking the question or telling us that's what Ty did?............If its the later I think this herald sun journalist mistook the Sunshne George cross V Ringwood city Whilemena game for the Tiges game
Most likely never sited the game. Saw stats of 14 possessions and then wrote accordingly…. :wallywink
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Andy Collins coaches Willy and you can see the effect this has had..They back each other up,they run hard both ways .In a nut shell they do the simple things very well
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I'm so glad that all the extra dollars the club is pouring into the development program. :clapping
We can finally see the first fruits of that in the silent achievements of the reserves team. :birthday
We must all be thankful to the club for the professional way they do things and how the reserves team is the paragon of team development in the AFL/VFL.
:bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow
It's a pleasure to watch the team, especially this new reserves team as you can truly see that excellence is the central theme in all that they do at this wonderful club.
Three cheers for the tigers development.
:cheers :cheers :cheers
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VIDEO: Match 'Highlights' ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-04-22/vfl-round-3-highlights
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I'm so glad that all the extra dollars the club is pouring into the development program. :clapping
We can finally see the first fruits of that in the silent achievements of the reserves team. :birthday
We must all be thankful to the club for the professional way they do things and how the reserves team is the paragon of team development in the AFL/VFL.
:bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow
It's a pleasure to watch the team, especially this new reserves team as you can truly see that excellence is the central theme in all that they do at this wonderful club.
Three cheers for the tigers development.
:cheers :cheers :cheers
Firstly it's going to take awhile for the team to gel and the game plan to click.
Secondly it could take a really, bloody long time to implement a game plan based on kicking skills with a bunch of VFL guys that are VFL guys for a reason.
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Richmond VFL development coach Max Bailey's summary of how the AFL-listed players performed against Williamstown:
Ty Vickery
1 Goal, 14 Disposals, 13 Hit-outs
Kicked the first goal in the first 35 seconds of the match, but inside-50 entries were hard to come by after that, resulting in a frustrating day for the key-forward. Kept a positive attitude playing in the VFL for the week.
Jake Batchelor
30 Disposals, 13 marks
Batchelor was good defensively, really stood up and won some crucial one-on-one battles. Also got a lot of the ball and helped with the team’s attack.
Todd Banfield
16 Disposals
Was moved back in the second half and had 15 touches, his run and dash off half back was really good. Need to get him kicking a few more goals when he’s up forward.
Anthony Miles
31 Disposals (12 contested), 6 Clearances
Another standout performance, the contested side of his game is going really well, getting a lot of the ball. He’s been a shining light so far in the VFL.
Jake King
1 Goal, 10 Disposals
Has been toughing it out with a toe injury, which impacted his ability to play the way he’s used to. His leadership has been exceptional with a lot of selfless acts.
Brad Helbig
18 Disposals
Been playing off half-back and one of our hardest players, good to see him impact a few contests, but we need to get him more of the ball.
Kamdyn McIntosh
11 Disposals, 5 Tackles
Had a tagging role early on in the game which he executed really well. Was then freed up to play on the wing and his run was pretty invaluable to us, if he can keep doing that he’ll be going well.
Liam McBean
3 Goals, 11 Disposals, 5 Marks
Didn’t do much in the first half but really shifted a gear and kicked three second-half goals. He gave us a forward focus, which we needed.
Ben Lennon
28 Disposals, 16 marks
Getting more of the ball and growing in confidence. His ability to read the play is pretty important. We need to get the ball to him more often.
Matt McDonough
20 Disposals, 4 Clearances
A really good performance playing half-back and through the midfield. He impacts the game really well and manages to keep finding the footy.
Orren Stephenson
45 Hit-outs,10 Disposals
Dominated the ruck with 45 hit-outs giving us first use of the ball. Has been contributing really well to the matches so far.
Todd Elton
1 Goal, 10 Disposals, 5 Marks
Was getting himself in really good positions but not quite finishing off with his marks, which will be a big focus for him this week.
Brett O’Hanlon
20 Disposals
Playing really well on the wing and has been getting a lot of the ball. Had another 20 touches in the weekend’s game.
Ben Darrou
10 Disposals, 5 Marks
Probably beaten on the day, but good experience for him playing against good quality opposition. He’ll only be better for it the experience.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-04-23/the-vfl-report-round-3
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Jeez imagine how much we would've lost by if not for all those good performances......
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King hardly getting a touch echoing his afl efforts
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Ty Vickery
1 Goal, 14 Disposals, 13 Hit-outs
Kicked the first goal in the first 35 seconds of the match, but inside-50 entries were hard to come by after that, resulting in a frustrating day for the key-forward. Kept a positive attitude playing in the VFL for the week.
Just for the week? Better hope not. The number of inside 50 entries after the first 35 secs didn't stop McBean kicking 3 goals in the second half. Would have expected an AFL standard KPF to make much more of limited opportunities if he worked hard enough.
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Good to see our warehouse of talent developing nicely :clapping, a bit of depth brewing just quietly, a selectors nightmare :shh
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Good to see our warehouse of talent developing nicely :clapping, a bit of depth brewing just quietly, a selectors nightmare :shh
Thanks Blair.
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WP you can turn it it which ever way you want. Facts are that Clarke fella is an absolute dud coach of the highest order. You can talk about why the VFl players arent forcing their way but how can they when they are getting pumped like they seem to be doing frequently under his coaching. You defended this bloke for years now all of a sudden the losses do matter. Which is it?
Get rid of him, his an amateur and he can take that daly, bailey and williams with him. If not he will ruin the career of Bean, Miles and Lennon
There is nothing to be proud of the way our VFL club has performed under his coaching.
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WP you can turn it it which ever way you want. Facts are that Clarke fella is an absolute dud coach of the highest order. You can talk about why the VFl players arent forcing their way but how can they when they are getting pumped like they seem to be doing frequently under his coaching. You defended this bloke for years now all of a sudden the losses do matter. Which is it?
Get rid of him, his an amateur and he can take that daly, bailey and williams with him. If not he will ruin the career of Bean, Miles and Lennon
There is nothing to be proud of the way our VFL club has performed under his coaching.
Angus which part of my post didn't you understand? Or is it a case of you chosing not understand it because it doesn't suit your argument
This is what I posted the other day after watching the game at Williamstown. Which part isn't clear to you? You've asked (again) "which is it" I reckon I've made it clear...
Have said it before and I know the likes of Angus mock me about it (see his most recent post) but the results aren't important the development of our young players is and should be the main focus
I said this to friend today I don't care about the result. What I am interested in is seeing the likes of McBean, McIntosh, Elton show that they are learning and that when they are ready for AFL that they look like they belong there. Rather than what has has been the case on the past someone going out there and they look out of their depth. I also think it it's about players like Helbig, Batchelor etc getting the confidence that makes them believe they are good enough for AFL. Don't think we've developed that mentality well in the past. But to achieve this you need to be competitive and at least show some sort of commitment to the contest.
Which brings us to Tim Clarke, IMHO and based on my own criteria that I've tried to explain above Clarke clearly isn't doing his job well. Because the development isn't where it needs to be
McBean is the perfect example, his lack of intensity today along with a number of players is a major concern.
Clarke's job is in part ensuring that these kids understand that intensity, desperation and want are part of the game. Skills and natural ability will only get you as far, that's where he is failing IMV not with the results but how the players are applying themselves and that's in no way acceptable
I have said all along and still believe that at VFL results aren't the be all and end all. The results don't matter as much as the development of the players to get them ready for AFL footy is the most important thing. I have not and will not change my view on that. Look at the bit that I've underlined - I have clearly said it isn't with the results he is failing but how the players are applying themselves. That is fundamentally a development issue.
I also said in the above post (I've even made it bold to highlight it) that based on what I think the main criteria is and that is the development of players then currently Clarke ISN'T doing his job properly let alone well. I reckon I've explained it pretty clearly.
I also posted this in relation to a question about whether are poorly coached.
Do you think our youngsters are poor or just poorly coached WP?
We can't be getting it wrong all the time, can we?
I think it is some cases it is a combination of both
Reckon some of our youngsters have question marks over them. Good example is O'Hanlon I am not sure about him! Therefore not a fan. Obviously I don't see in him what others do. I see a bloke who when under no pressure looks Ok but when under pressure looks slow not only speed wise but decision making wise with average skills.
I then see kids who at VFL level look a million bucks but when they get to chance at AFL level they play like they if they make a mistake they are going to get dropped. Great examples are Helbig & Batchelor. Last year Helbig played one game in Perth. Played "nervous" like he was worried about making a mistake. To me that's a development/coaching issue
I see a lot of talent in a lot of our kids eg McBean, McIntosh, Elton but they all seem to lack something to get them to the next level. Again to me that is a development coaching issue
Then throw in this on going issue of gifting AFL games to favourites then you have kids losing belief that they will get an opportunity. That is clearly a coaching issue
Did you bother to read it?
Have also said a number of times that I heard Neil Balme speak at a function a few years ago about the Geelong VFL model (which Richmond said they are using) and Geelong's focus has always been about development first and results second and it cannot be disputed that it has worked for them in spades. Firstly, their kids are not thrown to the wolves too early and when they do get promoted they are ready. Secondly, the Geelong culture driven at AFL level predominantly by the players flows through to VFL level which leads to the results they've achieved (again Balme highlighted this at the function I was at). I reckon Balme is a first rate operator so if he reckons development is the first priority and the results secondary then I am more than happy to follow that argument
I think I've explained my thoughts on this as clearly as I can. You obviously don't agree with me & that's fine we move on ;D
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That's exactly the wY I'm thinking , if miles, Lennon , McDonough , Elton are killing it ea week, couldn't care less if we aren't getting the points for the mo, the results will come once we sack this coach and secure an experienced one
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WP you can turn it it which ever way you want. Facts are that Clarke fella is an absolute dud coach of the highest order. You can talk about why the VFl players arent forcing their way but how can they when they are getting pumped like they seem to be doing frequently under his coaching. You defended this bloke for years now all of a sudden the losses do matter. Which is it?
Get rid of him, his an amateur and he can take that daly, bailey and williams with him. If not he will ruin the career of Bean, Miles and Lennon
There is nothing to be proud of the way our VFL club has performed under his coaching.
Angus which part of my post didn't you understand? Or is it a case of you chosing not understand it because it doesn't suit your argument
This is what I posted the other day after watching the game at Williamstown. Which part isn't clear to you? You've asked (again) "which is it" I reckon I've made it clear...
Have said it before and I know the likes of Angus mock me about it (see his most recent post) but the results aren't important the development of our young players is and should be the main focus
I said this to friend today I don't care about the result. What I am interested in is seeing the likes of McBean, McIntosh, Elton show that they are learning and that when they are ready for AFL that they look like they belong there. Rather than what has has been the case on the past someone going out there and they look out of their depth. I also think it it's about players like Helbig, Batchelor etc getting the confidence that makes them believe they are good enough for AFL. Don't think we've developed that mentality well in the past. But to achieve this you need to be competitive and at least show some sort of commitment to the contest.
Which brings us to Tim Clarke, IMHO and based on my own criteria that I've tried to explain above Clarke clearly isn't doing his job well. Because the development isn't where it needs to be
McBean is the perfect example, his lack of intensity today along with a number of players is a major concern.
Clarke's job is in part ensuring that these kids understand that intensity, desperation and want are part of the game. Skills and natural ability will only get you as far, that's where he is failing IMV not with the results but how the players are applying themselves and that's in no way acceptable
I have said all along and still believe that at VFL results aren't the be all and end all. The results don't matter as much as the development of the players to get them ready for AFL footy is the most important thing. I have not and will not change my view on that. Look at the bit that I've underlined - I have clearly said it isn't with the results he is failing but how the players are applying themselves. That is fundamentally a development issue.
I also said in the above post (I've even made it bold to highlight it) that based on what I think the main criteria is and that is the development of players then currently Clarke ISN'T doing his job properly let alone well. I reckon I've explained it pretty clearly.
I also posted this in relation to a question about whether are poorly coached.
Do you think our youngsters are poor or just poorly coached WP?
We can't be getting it wrong all the time, can we?
I think it is some cases it is a combination of both
Reckon some of our youngsters have question marks over them. Good example is O'Hanlon I am not sure about him! Therefore not a fan. Obviously I don't see in him what others do. I see a bloke who when under no pressure looks Ok but when under pressure looks slow not only speed wise but decision making wise with average skills.
I then see kids who at VFL level look a million bucks but when they get to chance at AFL level they play like they if they make a mistake they are going to get dropped. Great examples are Helbig & Batchelor. Last year Helbig played one game in Perth. Played "nervous" like he was worried about making a mistake. To me that's a development/coaching issue
I see a lot of talent in a lot of our kids eg McBean, McIntosh, Elton but they all seem to lack something to get them to the next level. Again to me that is a development coaching issue
Then throw in this on going issue of gifting AFL games to favourites then you have kids losing belief that they will get an opportunity. That is clearly a coaching issue
Did you bother to read it?
Have also said a number of times that I heard Neil Balme speak at a function a few years ago about the Geelong VFL model (which Richmond said they are using) and Geelong's focus has always been about development first and results second and it cannot be disputed that it has worked for them in spades. Firstly, their kids are not thrown to the wolves too early and when they do get promoted they are ready. Secondly, the Geelong culture driven at AFL level predominantly by the players flows through to VFL level which leads to the results they've achieved (again Balme highlighted this at the function I was at). I reckon Balme is a first rate operator so if he reckons development is the first priority and the results secondary then I am more than happy to follow that argument
I think I've explained my thoughts on this as clearly as I can. You obviously don't agree with me & that's fine we move on ;D
No sorry I didn't even see that post WP, so my apologies to you. I do take my comment back
Good to see you have come around and I believe we are on the same page
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Picking the eyes out of that..Miles, Lennon & McBean give some hope. The rest are of concern.
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But WP there are some definite advantages to winning. I would much prefer to see development and a winning culture. Losing sucks just quietly and can be demoralising and frustrating. In my younger days I played at a high level in another sport and was asked to play for a club that needed me. Turned out they needed at least four of me. They were crap and I hated it because I was busting a gut every game and losing because of their lack of skills and ability to dig deep when needed. I hated losing and it was demoralising. That one year of losing set me back two years in my development. I eventually won a grand final but a losing culture can be like concrete cancer and it took me two years to get rid of all the negative stuff I picked up from that one bad season.
Winning is hard and requires effort and dedication. Losing requires no effort at all.
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Good post tiga.
Even the brightest of us can't surely accept that the side getting flogged is good for anyone's development.
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Don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.
How many teams, that have started off in their very first year of playing together, do well?
Not many is the answer.
I think we have to wait for the team to start gelling together, understanding each others strengths and weaknesses before we become more competitive.
That may take a while with a side that also isn't consistently uniform with guys coming and going.....
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Don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.
How many teams, that have started off in their very first year of playing together, do well?
Not many is the answer.
I think we have to wait for the team to start gelling together, understanding each others strengths and weaknesses before we become more competitive.
That may take a while with a side that also isn't consistently uniform with guys coming and going.....
Exactly :clapping
But WP there are some definite advantages to winning. I would much prefer to see development and a winning culture.
Didn't say there wasn't tiga, all I am saying is the development for us needs to the priority the results aren't as important.
I agree they need to be competitive and show the hunger and intensity and based on what I saw last week that isn't there but at the same time don't I expect them to win every week, nor do I want to see them being beated by 20 goals. What I expect to see is the likes of McBean, Lennon, McIntosh etc play with an intensity that has them banging down the door for AFL. Or the McBean's & Eltons understand that you have to give the 2nd & 3rd efforts at each contest. Or an O'Hanlon show a defensive side of to his game and gut run when he doesn't have the ball, rather than letting his man have a 15 metre start. That's in part what I mean by the development side needing to be the priority
Again I say look at Geelong, their model clearly works and their main focus is development first & results 2nd.
From what I worte last night I've underlined a key point
Have also said a number of times that I heard Neil Balme speak at a function a few years ago about the Geelong VFL model (which Richmond said they are using) and Geelong's focus has always been about development first and results second and it cannot be disputed that it has worked for them in spades. Firstly, their kids are not thrown to the wolves too early and when they do get promoted they are ready. Secondly, the Geelong culture driven at AFL level predominantly by the players flows through to VFL level which leads to the results they've achieved (again Balme highlighted this at the function I was at). I reckon Balme is a first rate operator so if he reckons development is the first priority and the results secondary then I am more than happy to follow that argument
Perhaps once we get the culture right at AFL level then the flow on effect will be there to assist in the VFL side having the right culture as well
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Methinks somebody has got way too much time on his hands.
:lol
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We won't see definitive signs of the impact having our own reserves side will have on our group for a year or so. Would think realistically next year and beyond we should start seeing positive signs of players' development.
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Think we've been following the 'Geelong model' for about 10 years now..be a red letter day when teams are talking about following the Richmond one..
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Think we've been following the 'Geelong model' for about 10 years now..be a red letter day when teams are talking about following the Richmond one..
Yep, like they used to until we got carried away with our own invincibility and stuck our heads so far up our own collective rears that it took 30 years to see daylight again and we are still trying to remove the stench.
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This whole "taking time to gel" thing is absolute bollocks. So how about I throw some "facts" into my so called rant.
The team who got flogged by 11 goals against Willie had 13 players in that team who have played together before and 11 at AFL level, so to make the excuse that they need time to work out each others game is a hollow excuse. That's 11 players of AFL standard playing against a team with only ONE player I could see (Mangan) who has even been previously listed by an AFL club.
There is something more serious afoot than any gelling issues if a team with 11 players with solid AFL experience, cant beat a team of park players.
On Friday we could only muster a draw against another team full of park players. Is it really acceptable that we are trying to develop players in a team which is proving that they are unable to beat park players?
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This whole "taking time to gel" thing is absolute bollocks. So how about I throw some "facts" into my so called rant.
The team who got flogged by 11 goals against Willie had 13 players in that team who have played together before and 11 at AFL level, so to make the excuse that they need time to work out each others game is a hollow excuse. That's 11 players of AFL standard playing against a team with only ONE player I could see (Mangan) who has even been previously listed by an AFL club.
There is something more serious afoot than any gelling issues if a team with 11 players with solid AFL experience, cant beat a team of park players.
On Friday we could only muster a draw against another team full of park players. Is it really acceptable that we are trying to develop players in a team which is proving that they are unable to beat park players?
So that means half the team hasn't played with each other!
Maybe, just maybe, the team orders are to practice certain routines on the park. This may not be conducive at the time to a victory, but hoping to hone in certain playing styles into the players game.
I don't know if this is the case or not but by the rhetoric spouted out by the club it certainly sounds likely.
Look, I want our club to be successful as much as anybody here but there are ways of doing that in a meaningful way. We let the current regime complete what they say will be a successful process and then judge them. If they don't deliver they go. But criticizing the seconds after a handful of games as a new club is not going to get you far in righting any wrongs.
I hate losing as much (or more!) than most. On this occasion I think we should give them some time.
The seniors, however, are another case. Those players who are more than 5 years out and not performing should be given notice.
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Unless the instructions they are getting are all left footers/handballers use their right and visa versa,then we are in big trouble I think
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Unless the instructions they are getting are all left footers/handballers use their right and visa versa,then we are in big trouble I think
:lol
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This whole "taking time to gel" thing is absolute bollocks. So how about I throw some "facts" into my so called rant.
The team who got flogged by 11 goals against Willie had 13 players in that team who have played together before and 11 at AFL level, so to make the excuse that they need time to work out each others game is a hollow excuse. That's 11 players of AFL standard playing against a team with only ONE player I could see (Mangan) who has even been previously listed by an AFL club.
There is something more serious afoot than any gelling issues if a team with 11 players with solid AFL experience, cant beat a team of park players.
On Friday we could only muster a draw against another team full of park players. Is it really acceptable that we are trying to develop players in a team which is proving that they are unable to beat park players?
tiga, You really need to see some of the VFL listed blokes running around, they are so far behind our blokes skills wise that it is scary. If one of our blokes give it off to an VFL listed bloke who then proceeds to (under no pressure I might add) give it straight to the opposition then it would matter if they've played together for 10 years the gulf in skills is going to kill you a fair bit I reckon.
You call the Frankston blokes "park players" and you are in part correct. But the reality is we had almost half our team made up of "park players" who are average at best. It's not meant to be an excuse, just the reality of what we have running around out there.
Will be really interesting to see how they go next week -v- Geelong's VFL side (think that's who we've got next)
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WP its not the players its how they are coached in the seniors and its not filtering through down to the reserves.
What incentives have they got in the seconds?
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I have been questioning the whereabouts of one A. Davey for a while. I thought he was employed as a player in our VFL side.
He would at least inject needed class into the team.
Anybody know what happened there?
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all i read are excuses excuses and more excuses and all i hear is the blame game.
lets blame the vfl listed players other teams dont have similar vfl players ffs. just maybe the real problem lies with the afl listed players.
and what development again. we dont have a hell of a lot of juniors to develop at vfl level and those we do have should have all of the basics. there are so many mature players around our juniors they should be thriving but they arent ask yourselves why is that. all i hear is because our vfl listed players are worse than other teams players well someone should get in the footy dept ear and give em a blast about how freakin shizen their recruiting is again. but that is an excuse imo our afl listed players are just as much to blame.
i can tell you all when you do a reserves side with afl listed players looking at the future not the now the lack of structure and depth in key areas as well as quality is mind boggling.
what a furphy about culture. there is only one culture worth having and that is a winning culture all the rest of the hoopla isnt worth two bob. the greatest and easiest way to DEVELOP PLAYERS is WIN GAMES OF FOOTBALL. or at the least be super competetive.
to finish im still scratching my head at the age of the mature vfl listed players we took. thetype 9 0r 10 sml players is such a nonsense and just 3 talls and that is at a club that lacks in tall numbers.
the other glaring weakness is the almost total lack of big bodied pure mids.
heres a list of those players who imo should be playing twos. obviously those not named are the ones i think we should be looking hard at and getting games into. i do this in an attempt to stay competetive at srnior level but knowing we will go backwards in the short term in doing so. for me that is just where the list is at.its where its always been at despite finals last yr.
reserves side or what should become the reserves side without delistings. make no mistake id be happy to cut the majority of the following players.
b/ houli - darrou - dea/batchelor. grim pickings indeed.
hb/ helbig - mcbean - grimes. unless we draft a few tall defenders mature and junior we are in desperate need of kpds. hence mcbean at chb. this kid can play back and play well.
c/ williams - thomas - grigg
r/ stephenson - arnot - s edwards. cmon people where are the mids and onballers. look at the freakin quality it aint good enough. where is the ruckman to replace big o.
hf/ banfield - elton - petterd. outside of elton where are the true kpfs and tall 190/194cm forwards
f/ ohanlon - vickery - mcdonough,
int/ a edwards, newman, king these blokes should retire, there is no need to be playing them at senior level. azza edwards could help us win games at senior level atm imo but i dont think we will make finals so im happy to play the likes of lennon gordon knights in his place.
just to balance it out this should be the way we go by playing the following mainly in the ones.or at every opportunity.
b/ morris - chaplin - dea/helbig/grimes. there is no option but play chaplin if there was a viable alternative you would do it.dea and helbig have done nothing and grimes is soft.
hb/ lennon - rance - mcintosh. need to get games into lennon ans mcintosh.
c/ ellis - vlastuin - deledio. if ellis cannot grow some balls hes on thin ice as well.
r/ maric - cotchin - miles. gotta give miles a chance hes one of few who has actually earnt it.
hf/ martin - griffiths/elton - knights. named the two big boys when griffiths is out of form give elton a shot at it just get some senior footy into him.
f/ hampson - riewoldt - lloyd. well the hapson as a forward option did not work at carlton in sceptical it will work for us but we have to try it.
int/ jackson - conca - gordon - foley/ mcdonogh. foley could be shot im not sure about mcdonough and as good as jacko has been can we at least be looking for a more skilled similar type.
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Out of curiosity why did you put McBean in the back line?
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Cause Chaplin moves like a boat
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Cause Chaplin moves like a boat
More like an ocean liner!
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Cause Chaplin moves like a boat
More like an ocean liner!
The Costa Concordia? :lol
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Cause Chaplin moves like a boat
More like an ocean liner!
The Costa Concordia? :lol
:lol
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Out of curiosity why did you put McBean in the back line?
if you saw beaners last season of u18s you would not have to ask that. he showed plenty as a tall defender.
ive always felt we should develop him as a kpd. also the dearth of kpds on the list and in the twos means it would make good sense as far as list structure goes.
ive regularly complained about the club playing our talls out of position imo mcbean is one we should play in defense yet he gets an easy ride playing as a third tall come flanker.
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Should be
1 Alex rance
2 Astbury
3 McBean
4 grimes
5 daylight. Chaplin