VFL: Richmond vs Williamstown -- Sat. April 19 (nb. game moved to Williamstown)

[WilliamPowell]

Do you think our youngsters are poor or just poorly coached WP?
We can't be getting it wrong all the time, can we?

I think it is some cases it is a combination of both

Reckon some of our youngsters have question marks over them. Good example is O'Hanlon I am not sure about him! Therefore not a fan. Obviously I don't see in him what others do. I see a bloke who when under no pressure looks Ok but when under pressure looks slow not only speed wise but decision making wise with average skills.

I then see kids who at VFL level look a million bucks but when they get to chance at AFL level they play like they if they make a mistake they are going to get dropped. Great examples are Helbig & Batchelor. Last year Helbig played one game in Perth. Played "nervous" like he was worried about making a mistake. To me that's a development/coaching issue

I see a lot of talent in a lot of our kids eg McBean, McIntosh, Elton but they all seem to lack something to get them to the next level. Again to me that is a development coaching issue

Then throw in this on going issue of gifting AFL games to favourites then you have kids losing belief that they will get an opportunity. That is clearly an coaching issue

Terrific, just terrific?

 

Yep

 

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I then see kids who at VFL level look a million bucks but when they get to chance at AFL level they play like they if they make a mistake they are going to get dropped. Great examples are Helbig & Batchelor. Last year Helbig played one game in Perth. Played "nervous" like he was worried about making a mistake. To me that's a development/coaching issue

I would argue it was poor leadership.
It's the leaders job to make a kid feel as though he's good enough as well as comfortable on the field.

We definitely have poor leadership.

[WilliamPowell]

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I then see kids who at VFL level look a million bucks but when they get to chance at AFL level they play like they if they make a mistake they are going to get dropped. Great examples are Helbig & Batchelor. Last year Helbig played one game in Perth. Played "nervous" like he was worried about making a mistake. To me that's a development/coaching issue

I would argue it was poor leadership.
It's the leaders job to make a kid feel as though he's good enough as well as comfortable on the field.

We definitely have poor leadership.

Good point Ox, fair call

[Rampstar]

I dont believe results are really important at VFL level nevertheless you cant be losing by these margins therefore the coaching position has to be changed. I would like to see Mark Williams (the Good One) takeover this role until the end of the season and he can also assist coach when he can in the seniors. Its a big job but we cant afford to have the likes of Lennon and McBean and Elton and McDonough and Helbig etc wallowing in this type of environment. These boys need to have a bit poo put into them and Williams Im sure can get them to the next level.

[Eat_em_Alive]

Some interesting points WP
 Hope for the sake of players like Miles and co they dont give up nor stop believing in the system.
Dimma has to stop gifting games to ......... etc, need to take a step back now to go forward I believe.

[cub]

The game "plan" mimicked seniors, first option look sideways and when we go forward too late! Not good at all

[tony_montana]

Heard Troy Chaplin on sen today pre game to pies - kangas and he said chipping sideways and slowing down is definitely not the gameplan, however he couldn't answer why it was happening - just a lack of confidence I suppose

[one-eyed]

Mark Stevens on Ch 7 said Jake King only had 10 possies today and gave away a few 50m penalties and that Vickery didn't do much either to earn a seniors recall. Richo said Williamstown is not a fun place for tall forwards to play at given the terrible windy conditions.

[Hellenic Tiger]

Williamstown forwards did okay.
Pea hearted maggots.

[Mr Magic]

Mark Stevens on Ch 7 said Jake King only had 10 possies today and gave away a few 50m penalties and that Vickery didn't do much either to earn a seniors recall. Richo said Williamstown is not a fun place for tall forwards to play at given the terrible windy conditions.

In other words Vickery didn't get it on a silver platter and was exposed as a mediocre tall forward.

[one-eyed]

Vickery had 14 possessions.



http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/williamstowns-fledgling-seagulls-spread-their-wings-in-vfl-20140419-36xsn.html

[tony_montana]

The heraldsun today running with the story that Vickery answered the call and stood up? 

[YellowandBlackBlood]

The heraldsun today running with the story that Vickery answered the call and stood up? 

When Griff had those sort of performances last year, there was never any media trying to pump him up.

What's going on?

[Gigantor]

Is the Herald sun asking the question or telling us that's what Ty did?............If its the later I think this herald sun journalist mistook the Sunshne George cross V Ringwood city Whilemena game for the Tiges game

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Is the Herald sun asking the question or telling us that's what Ty did?............If its the later I think this herald sun journalist mistook the Sunshne George cross V Ringwood city Whilemena game for the Tiges game

Most likely never sited the game.  Saw stats of 14 possessions and then wrote accordingly….