VFL: Richmond vs Williamstown -- Sat. April 19 (nb. game moved to Williamstown)

[Gigantor]

Andy Collins coaches Willy and you can see the effect this has had..They back each other up,they run hard both ways .In a nut shell they do the simple things very well

[Tigeritis™©®]

I'm so glad that all the extra dollars the club is pouring into the development program. 

We can finally see the first fruits of that in the silent achievements of the reserves team. 

We must all be thankful to the club for the professional way they do things and how the reserves team is the paragon of team development in the AFL/VFL.
 

It's a pleasure to watch the team, especially this new reserves team as you can truly see that excellence is the central theme in all that they do at this wonderful club.

Three cheers for the tigers development.

 

[one-eyed]

VIDEO: Match 'Highlights' ...

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-04-22/vfl-round-3-highlights

[tigs2011]

I'm so glad that all the extra dollars the club is pouring into the development program. 

We can finally see the first fruits of that in the silent achievements of the reserves team. 

We must all be thankful to the club for the professional way they do things and how the reserves team is the paragon of team development in the AFL/VFL.
 

It's a pleasure to watch the team, especially this new reserves team as you can truly see that excellence is the central theme in all that they do at this wonderful club.

Three cheers for the tigers development.

 

Firstly it's going to take awhile for the team to gel and the game plan to click.

Secondly it could take a really, bloody long time to implement a game plan based on kicking skills with a bunch of VFL guys that are VFL guys for a reason.

[one-eyed]

Richmond VFL development coach Max Bailey's summary of how the AFL-listed players performed against Williamstown:

Ty Vickery
1 Goal, 14 Disposals, 13 Hit-outs
Kicked the first goal in the first 35 seconds of the match, but inside-50 entries were hard to come by after that, resulting in a frustrating day for the key-forward. Kept a positive attitude playing in the VFL for the week.

Jake Batchelor
30 Disposals, 13 marks
Batchelor was good defensively, really stood up and won some crucial one-on-one battles. Also got a lot of the ball and helped with the team’s attack.

Todd Banfield
16 Disposals
Was moved back in the second half and had 15 touches, his run and dash off half back was really good. Need to get him kicking a few more goals when he’s up forward.

Anthony Miles
31 Disposals (12 contested), 6 Clearances
Another standout performance, the contested side of his game is going really well, getting a lot of the ball. He’s been a shining light so far in the VFL.

Jake King
1 Goal, 10 Disposals
Has been toughing it out with a toe injury, which impacted his ability to play the way he’s used to. His leadership has been exceptional with a lot of selfless acts.

Brad Helbig
18 Disposals
Been playing off half-back and one of our hardest players, good to see him impact a few contests, but we need to get him more of the ball.

Kamdyn McIntosh
11 Disposals, 5 Tackles
Had a tagging role early on in the game which he executed really well. Was then freed up to play on the wing and his run was pretty invaluable to us, if he can keep doing that he’ll be going well.

Liam McBean
3 Goals, 11 Disposals, 5 Marks
Didn’t do much in the first half but really shifted a gear and kicked three second-half goals. He gave us a forward focus, which we needed.

Ben Lennon
28 Disposals, 16 marks
Getting more of the ball and growing in confidence. His ability to read the play is pretty important. We need to get the ball to him more often.

Matt McDonough
20 Disposals, 4 Clearances
A really good performance playing half-back and through the midfield. He impacts the game really well and manages to keep finding the footy.

Orren Stephenson
45 Hit-outs,10 Disposals
Dominated the ruck with 45 hit-outs giving us first use of the ball. Has been contributing really well to the matches so far.

Todd Elton
1 Goal, 10 Disposals, 5 Marks
Was getting himself in really good positions but not quite finishing off with his marks, which will be a big focus for him this week.

Brett O’Hanlon
20 Disposals
Playing really well on the wing and has been getting a lot of the ball. Had another 20 touches in the weekend’s game.

Ben Darrou
10 Disposals, 5 Marks
Probably beaten on the day, but good experience for him playing against good quality opposition. He’ll only be better for it the experience.

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-04-23/the-vfl-report-round-3

[Diocletian]

Jeez imagine how much we would've lost by if not for all those good performances......

[Judge Roughneck]

King hardly getting a touch echoing his afl efforts

[Tiger Tragic]

Ty Vickery
1 Goal, 14 Disposals, 13 Hit-outs
Kicked the first goal in the first 35 seconds of the match, but inside-50 entries were hard to come by after that, resulting in a frustrating day for the key-forward. Kept a positive attitude playing in the VFL for the week.

Just for the week?  Better hope not.  The number of inside 50 entries after the first 35 secs didn't stop McBean kicking 3 goals in the second half.  Would have expected an AFL standard KPF to make much more of limited opportunities if he worked hard enough.

[bojangles17]

Good to see our warehouse of talent developing nicely , a bit of depth brewing just quietly, a selectors nightmare

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Good to see our warehouse of talent developing nicely , a bit of depth brewing just quietly, a selectors nightmare

Thanks Blair.

[Francois Jackson]

WP you can turn it it which ever way you want. Facts are that Clarke fella is an absolute dud coach of the highest order. You can talk about why the VFl players arent forcing their way but how can they when they are getting pumped like they seem to be doing frequently under his coaching. You defended this bloke for years now all of a sudden the losses do matter. Which is it?

Get rid of him, his an amateur and he can take that daly, bailey and williams with him. If not he will ruin the career of Bean, Miles and Lennon

There is nothing to be proud of the way our VFL club has performed under his coaching.

[WilliamPowell]

WP you can turn it it which ever way you want. Facts are that Clarke fella is an absolute dud coach of the highest order. You can talk about why the VFl players arent forcing their way but how can they when they are getting pumped like they seem to be doing frequently under his coaching. You defended this bloke for years now all of a sudden the losses do matter. Which is it?

Get rid of him, his an amateur and he can take that daly, bailey and williams with him. If not he will ruin the career of Bean, Miles and Lennon

There is nothing to be proud of the way our VFL club has performed under his coaching.

Angus which part of my post didn't you understand? Or is it a case of you chosing not understand it because it doesn't suit your argument

This is what I posted the other day after watching the game at Williamstown. Which part isn't clear to you? You've asked (again) "which is it" I reckon I've made it clear...

Have said it before and I know the likes of Angus mock me about it (see his most recent post) but the results aren't important the development of our young players is and should be the main focus

I said this to friend today I don't care about the result. What I am interested in is seeing the likes of McBean, McIntosh, Elton show that they are learning and that when they are ready for AFL that they look like they belong there. Rather than what has has been the case on the past someone going out there and they look out of their depth. I also think it it's about players like Helbig, Batchelor etc getting the confidence that makes them believe they are good enough for AFL. Don't think we've developed that mentality well in the past. But to achieve this you need to be competitive and at least show some sort of commitment to the contest.

Which brings us to Tim Clarke, IMHO and based on my own criteria that I've tried to explain above Clarke clearly isn't doing his job well. Because the development isn't where it needs to be

McBean is the perfect example, his lack of intensity today along with a number of players is a major concern.

Clarke's job is in part ensuring that these kids understand that intensity, desperation and want are part of the game. Skills and natural ability will only get you as far, that's where he is failing IMV not with the results but how the players are applying themselves and that's in no way acceptable

I have said all along and still believe that at VFL results aren't the be all and end all. The results don't matter as much as the development of the players to get them ready for AFL footy is the most important thing. I have not and will not change my view on that. Look at the bit that I've underlined - I have clearly said it isn't with the results he is failing but how the players are applying themselves. That is fundamentally a development issue.

I also said in the above post (I've even made it bold to highlight it) that based on what I think the main criteria is and that is the development of players then currently Clarke ISN'T doing his job properly let alone well. I reckon I've explained it pretty clearly.

I also posted this in relation to a question about whether are poorly coached.

Do you think our youngsters are poor or just poorly coached WP?
We can't be getting it wrong all the time, can we?

I think it is some cases it is a combination of both

Reckon some of our youngsters have question marks over them. Good example is O'Hanlon I am not sure about him! Therefore not a fan. Obviously I don't see in him what others do. I see a bloke who when under no pressure looks Ok but when under pressure looks slow not only speed wise but decision making wise with average skills.

I then see kids who at VFL level look a million bucks but when they get to chance at AFL level they play like they if they make a mistake they are going to get dropped. Great examples are Helbig & Batchelor. Last year Helbig played one game in Perth. Played "nervous" like he was worried about making a mistake. To me that's a development/coaching issue

I see a lot of talent in a lot of our kids eg McBean, McIntosh, Elton but they all seem to lack something to get them to the next level. Again to me that is a development coaching issue

Then throw in this on going issue of gifting AFL games to favourites then you have kids losing belief that they will get an opportunity. That is clearly a coaching issue

 

Did you bother to read it?

Have also said a number of times that I heard Neil Balme speak at a function a few years ago about the Geelong VFL model (which Richmond said they are using) and Geelong's focus has always been about development first and results second and it cannot be disputed that it has worked for them in spades. Firstly, their kids are not thrown to the wolves too early and when they do get promoted they are ready. Secondly, the Geelong culture driven at AFL level predominantly by the players flows through to VFL level which leads to the results they've achieved (again Balme highlighted this at the function I was at). I reckon Balme is a first rate operator so if he reckons development is the first priority and the results secondary then I am more than happy to follow that argument

I think I've explained my thoughts on this as clearly as I can. You obviously don't agree with me & that's fine we move on 

[bojangles17]

That's exactly the wY I'm thinking , if miles, Lennon , McDonough , Elton are killing it  ea week, couldn't care less if we aren't getting the points for the mo, the results will come once we sack this coach and secure an experienced one

[Francois Jackson]

WP you can turn it it which ever way you want. Facts are that Clarke fella is an absolute dud coach of the highest order. You can talk about why the VFl players arent forcing their way but how can they when they are getting pumped like they seem to be doing frequently under his coaching. You defended this bloke for years now all of a sudden the losses do matter. Which is it?

Get rid of him, his an amateur and he can take that daly, bailey and williams with him. If not he will ruin the career of Bean, Miles and Lennon

There is nothing to be proud of the way our VFL club has performed under his coaching.

Angus which part of my post didn't you understand? Or is it a case of you chosing not understand it because it doesn't suit your argument

This is what I posted the other day after watching the game at Williamstown. Which part isn't clear to you? You've asked (again) "which is it" I reckon I've made it clear...

Have said it before and I know the likes of Angus mock me about it (see his most recent post) but the results aren't important the development of our young players is and should be the main focus

I said this to friend today I don't care about the result. What I am interested in is seeing the likes of McBean, McIntosh, Elton show that they are learning and that when they are ready for AFL that they look like they belong there. Rather than what has has been the case on the past someone going out there and they look out of their depth. I also think it it's about players like Helbig, Batchelor etc getting the confidence that makes them believe they are good enough for AFL. Don't think we've developed that mentality well in the past. But to achieve this you need to be competitive and at least show some sort of commitment to the contest.

Which brings us to Tim Clarke, IMHO and based on my own criteria that I've tried to explain above Clarke clearly isn't doing his job well. Because the development isn't where it needs to be

McBean is the perfect example, his lack of intensity today along with a number of players is a major concern.

Clarke's job is in part ensuring that these kids understand that intensity, desperation and want are part of the game. Skills and natural ability will only get you as far, that's where he is failing IMV not with the results but how the players are applying themselves and that's in no way acceptable

I have said all along and still believe that at VFL results aren't the be all and end all. The results don't matter as much as the development of the players to get them ready for AFL footy is the most important thing. I have not and will not change my view on that. Look at the bit that I've underlined - I have clearly said it isn't with the results he is failing but how the players are applying themselves. That is fundamentally a development issue.

I also said in the above post (I've even made it bold to highlight it) that based on what I think the main criteria is and that is the development of players then currently Clarke ISN'T doing his job properly let alone well. I reckon I've explained it pretty clearly.

I also posted this in relation to a question about whether are poorly coached.

Do you think our youngsters are poor or just poorly coached WP?
We can't be getting it wrong all the time, can we?

I think it is some cases it is a combination of both

Reckon some of our youngsters have question marks over them. Good example is O'Hanlon I am not sure about him! Therefore not a fan. Obviously I don't see in him what others do. I see a bloke who when under no pressure looks Ok but when under pressure looks slow not only speed wise but decision making wise with average skills.

I then see kids who at VFL level look a million bucks but when they get to chance at AFL level they play like they if they make a mistake they are going to get dropped. Great examples are Helbig & Batchelor. Last year Helbig played one game in Perth. Played "nervous" like he was worried about making a mistake. To me that's a development/coaching issue

I see a lot of talent in a lot of our kids eg McBean, McIntosh, Elton but they all seem to lack something to get them to the next level. Again to me that is a development coaching issue

Then throw in this on going issue of gifting AFL games to favourites then you have kids losing belief that they will get an opportunity. That is clearly a coaching issue

 

Did you bother to read it?

Have also said a number of times that I heard Neil Balme speak at a function a few years ago about the Geelong VFL model (which Richmond said they are using) and Geelong's focus has always been about development first and results second and it cannot be disputed that it has worked for them in spades. Firstly, their kids are not thrown to the wolves too early and when they do get promoted they are ready. Secondly, the Geelong culture driven at AFL level predominantly by the players flows through to VFL level which leads to the results they've achieved (again Balme highlighted this at the function I was at). I reckon Balme is a first rate operator so if he reckons development is the first priority and the results secondary then I am more than happy to follow that argument

I think I've explained my thoughts on this as clearly as I can. You obviously don't agree with me & that's fine we move on 

No sorry I didn't even see that post WP, so my apologies to you. I do take my comment back

Good to see you have come around and I believe we are on the same page

[Mr Magic]

Picking the eyes out of that..Miles, Lennon & McBean give some hope. The rest are of concern.