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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Rampstar on May 17, 2014, 04:27:35 PM
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TO ANYBODY EMPLOYED BY THE RFC IN THE RECRUITING OF PLAYERS LIKE SHAUN HAMPSON, SHAUN GRIGG AND TROY CHAPLIN ... AND THE HACKS WHO PLAYED TODAY AND DISRESPECTED THE LATE GREAT TOM HAFEY THROUGH THEIR GUTLESS, COMICAL AND UNPROFESSIONAL PERFORMANCE
DO US A FAVOR AND GO AND GET stuff.E.D!
YOU GUYS WORKING AT RICHMOND IN RECRUITING AND RUNNING THE JOINT - YOU GUYS WOULDNT BE GOOD ENOUGH TO POLISH TOMMY HAFEYS SHOES.
DO US A FAVOR AND GO AND GET stuff.ED YOU BUNCH OF IMPOSTERS.
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I never swear at the footy and Chaplin brought out the worst in me.
Absolute crab. Get out
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I usually refrain from wishing personal pain on anybody but I hope Grigg and Chaplin have car accidents on the way home.
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Last 2 years recruited rejects from other clubs all delisted didn't go on the path we were doing first 2 years with the draft.
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I love a thread started in Caps
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I love a thread started in Caps
Why dont you just admit it that you cant wait for the weekend to come around to see what I have come up with for the forum. Youre gonna spend the rest of next week waiting for next weeks installment.
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Chaplin ~ 450k pa for dropped chest marks, falling over and getting out positioned at E V E R Y contest.
I have the right to say it and if people think it is impolite you can G A G F
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I wish football never existed >:(
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I love a thread started in Caps
Why dont you just admit it that you cant wait for the weekend to come around to see what I have come up with for the forum. Youre gonna spend the rest of next week waiting for next weeks installment.
No Chuckie is giggling and replying deadpan. EMO on the outside. Bleeding on the inside.
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im over it
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The "hacks" from other clubs is compliments of Blair Hartley
And everyone knows my thoughts on him ;D
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tell us again ;D
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I love mediocrity and can't handle it when people force me to confront reality.
EFA
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The "hacks" from other clubs is compliments of Blair Hartley
And everyone knows my thoughts on him ;D
Dont forget FJ, a man who played side kick to one G Miller and still has a job today.
we are screwed.
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The "hacks" from other clubs is compliments of Blair Hartley
And everyone knows my thoughts on him ;D
Dont forget FJ, a man who played side kick to one G Miller and still has a job today.
we are screwed.
I will always get FJ some leeway Angus because (1) he never wanted the Cub to trade pick whatever it was for McMahon he was going to take the youngest Selwood and (2) has had good ole' Blair telling everyone at the Club that mature age players is the way to go with late picks. Which has meant there have been some kids he hasn't been able to pick ;D
tell us again ;D
What's the point? Blair Hartley is never put under the microscope like FJ and the other recruiters ans quite frankly is untouchable.
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how can you recruit players like Hampson and Grigg and Chaplin and not be under the microscope. These 3 players alone who arent worth a dime in my opinion are probably cost the club $900,000 a season combined. We could have gotten a superstar for that amount of money. If Hartley is an untouchable its an absolute disgrace.
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how can you recruit players like Hampson and Grigg and Chaplin and not be under the microscope. These 3 players alone who arent worth a dime in my opinion are probably cost the club $900,000 a season combined. We could have gotten a superstar for that amount of money. If Hartley is an untouchable its an absolute disgrace.
Just my view about him being an untouchable
When you hear the likes of Benny Gale & Dan Richardson saying what a fantastic job he is doing then you start to think he is untouchable. Well I do at least
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how can you recruit players like Hampson and Grigg and Chaplin and not be under the microscope. These 3 players alone who arent worth a dime in my opinion are probably cost the club $900,000 a season combined. We could have gotten a superstar for that amount of money. If Hartley is an untouchable its an absolute disgrace.
Just my view about him being an untouchable
When you hear the likes of Benny Gale & Dan Richardson saying what a fantastic job he is doing then you start to think he is untouchable. Well I do at least
I say this again the board have to take a serious look at every position within the administrative side of the club and that includes both Benny Gale and Dan Richardson.
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When the club looks at its bottom line for season 2015 and sees that membership numbers will drop as well as membership dollars from people downgrading added to that the dwindling contributions to the Failing Tiger Fraud Fund then you would hope that those in power have the gonads to address this and make everyone accountable rather than individuals putting themselves above the relevant issues that seem to be affecting the club.
We haven't beaten Geelong since 2006.
Collingwood since 2007.
There's just a major issue highlighting on field personnel and how they got to be at the club.
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We need a Brian Cook type to review all and sundry.
Right now everyone has their own department and the problems seem to belong to someone else.
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hmm. how to put this.
chaplin hampson grigg houli morris miles and a lot of others were needed. not the players themselves but the mature type of player they represent.
yep we have got the quality wrong we have recruited some ordinary players. but i sure hope we dont lose sight of the fact that mature types are needed as long as they have enough quality about em.
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claw there is no point recruiting blokes who arent up to it. Doesnt matter how old they are or how big they are or how mature they are, if they cant play they cant play and unfortunately for us the players who have been consistently named by our supporters simply cant play to the standard. thats it in a nutshell.
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Claw just my opinion and reading yours I see what you mean and I agree but in terms of the mature players we bring to the club is it also the club culture that we have that whilst we look at clubs like Collingwood, Sydney, Hawthorn who may bring a mature recruit to add to their stocks and the penny drops and they bust a gut and turn into a valuable commodity for their teams whereas with blokes that come to us see the culture and recognise that,
RFC on the other hand seems to be a half way house for blokes who rather than thank their lucky stars to get another AFL chance thank their lucky stars to induce good coin for a few more years knowing that the "unique and tenuous" relationship the club has with its fan base will ensure they will play week in and out so that the club justifies their selection at the club and hence they play as if they don't care.
Whilst your theory claw at a good club would make a sound if not successful model with a culture that is positive a club like the RFC whose culture is poor regardless of who comes and goes very few go on to make real names of themselves for all the right reasons. Our culture is stuffed both on and off field and thus blokes like Chaplin, Grigg and co are happy to just cruise.
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Claw just my opinion and reading yours I see what you mean and I agree but in terms of the mature players we bring to the club is it also the club culture that we have that whilst we look at clubs like Collingwood, Sydney, Hawthorn who may bring a mature recruit to add to their stocks and the penny drops and they bust a gut and turn into a valuable commodity for their teams whereas with blokes that come to us see the culture and recognise that,
RFC on the other hand seems to be a half way house for blokes who rather than thank their lucky stars to get another AFL chance thank their lucky stars to induce good coin for a few more years knowing that the "unique and tenuous" relationship the club has with its fan base will ensure they will play week in and out so that the club justifies their selection at the club and hence they play as if they don't care.
Whilst your theory claw at a good club would make a sound if not successful model with a culture that is positive a club like the RFC whose culture is poor regardless of who comes and goes very few go on to make real names of themselves for all the right reasons. Our culture is stuffed both on and off field and thus blokes like Chaplin, Grigg and co are happy to just cruise.
i think the problem arises especially with chaplin is we ignore the history. like hampson 7 yrs in the system a lot of pretty glalring weaknesses and performance that spelled danger yet we traded for him.we ignored the obvios with sean thinking we could turn it around.
chaplin is the same. geez i dont know how many times ive mentioned that chaplin is no different at richmond to what he was at port. even i got suckered in with chaplin though.
i was hopeful we could do what p/a never could and that was turn him into a good reliable 1v 1 defender capable of consitently stopping and playing on the big kpfs. i had hoped for this despite chaplin not showing this apart from the odd game at age 26 and god knows how many seasons. we all live and learn eh. the chaplin deficiencies have always been there for all to see.
im sorry that only deals with part of your post but i cant atm reply to the rest. just too peeed off and there is no objectivity. they deserve a bake imo and i dont really feel like defending them.
i just think sometimes we throw as supporters throw the baby out with the bathj water after a unacceptable loss.
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Claw just my opinion and reading yours I see what you mean and I agree but in terms of the mature players we bring to the club is it also the club culture that we have that whilst we look at clubs like Collingwood, Sydney, Hawthorn who may bring a mature recruit to add to their stocks and the penny drops and they bust a gut and turn into a valuable commodity for their teams whereas with blokes that come to us see the culture and recognise that,
RFC on the other hand seems to be a half way house for blokes who rather than thank their lucky stars to get another AFL chance thank their lucky stars to induce good coin for a few more years knowing that the "unique and tenuous" relationship the club has with its fan base will ensure they will play week in and out so that the club justifies their selection at the club and hence they play as if they don't care.
Whilst your theory claw at a good club would make a sound if not successful model with a culture that is positive a club like the RFC whose culture is poor regardless of who comes and goes very few go on to make real names of themselves for all the right reasons. Our culture is stuffed both on and off field and thus blokes like Chaplin, Grigg and co are happy to just cruise.
i think the problem arises especially with chaplin is we ignore the history. like hampson 7 yrs in the system a lot of pretty glalring weaknesses and performance that spelled danger yet we traded for him.we ignored the obvios with sean thinking we could turn it around.
chaplin is the same. geez i dont know how many times ive mentioned that chaplin is no different at richmond to what he was at port. even i got suckered in with chaplin though.
i was hopeful we could do what p/a never could and that was turn him into a good reliable 1v 1 defender capable of consitently stopping and playing on the big kpfs. i had hoped for this despite chaplin not showing this apart from the odd game at age 26 and god knows how many seasons. we all live and learn eh. the chaplin deficiencies have always been there for all to see.
im sorry that only deals with part of your post but i cant atm reply to the rest. just too peeed off and there is no objectivity. they deserve a bake imo and i dont really feel like defending them.
i just think sometimes we throw as supporters throw the baby out with the bathj water after a unacceptable loss.
No dramas Claw. :thumbsup
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Agree 100% Ramps. 100%
Hartley has one of the most enjoyable jobs in the world. Who wouldn't want to be paid to make an AFL premiership list. Took a huge gamble on recruiting other AFL clubs banana peels and potato skins. A team of B Graders will only go so far, and when not in form will fall dramatically.
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Claw just my opinion and reading yours I see what you mean and I agree but in terms of the mature players we bring to the club is it also the club culture that we have that whilst we look at clubs like Collingwood, Sydney, Hawthorn who may bring a mature recruit to add to their stocks and the penny drops and they bust a gut and turn into a valuable commodity for their teams whereas with blokes that come to us see the culture and recognise that,
RFC on the other hand seems to be a half way house for blokes who rather than thank their lucky stars to get another AFL chance thank their lucky stars to induce good coin for a few more years knowing that the "unique and tenuous" relationship the club has with its fan base will ensure they will play week in and out so that the club justifies their selection at the club and hence they play as if they don't care.
Whilst your theory claw at a good club would make a sound if not successful model with a culture that is positive a club like the RFC whose culture is poor regardless of who comes and goes very few go on to make real names of themselves for all the right reasons. Our culture is stuffed both on and off field and thus blokes like Chaplin, Grigg and co are happy to just cruise.
Spot on.
This club has failed again to address the disease.
Tigeritis is back with a vengeance.
This disease is everywhere at Richmond, the recruiting, development, bootstudders, massagers coaches etc.
It's not until someone comes in that fixes this issue first the cycle will always continue.
Fix the culture first!!!
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Agree 100% Ramps. 100%
Hartley has one of the most enjoyable jobs in the world. Who wouldn't want to be paid to make an AFL premiership list. Took a huge gamble on recruiting other AFL clubs banana peels and potato skins. A team of B Graders will only go so far, and when not in form will fall dramatically.
Mate he hasnt recruited B graders he has recruited absolute crap and what makes it worse is that they are on huge money. Its an absolute disgrace.
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Blair Hartley chuckles at this thread. ;D
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Agree 100% Ramps. 100%
Hartley has one of the most enjoyable jobs in the world. Who wouldn't want to be paid to make an AFL premiership list. Took a huge gamble on recruiting other AFL clubs banana peels and potato skins. A team of B Graders will only go so far, and when not in form will fall dramatically.
Mate he hasnt recruited B graders he has recruited absolute crap and what makes it worse is that they are on huge money. Its an absolute disgrace.
Big Blair. Always getting it done. :clapping
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Blair Hartley chuckles at this thread. ;D
with the players he is bringing to Richmond he should be crying :-[
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I must admit even though I was prepared to support the club in their recruiting strategy,I must admit I did cringe at the extent of our foreign legion
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Blair Hartley chuckles at this thread. ;D
with the players he is bringing to Richmond he should be crying :-[
Why? He's still getting good coin. Leave the crying to us. :whistle
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Blair Hartley chuckles at this thread. ;D
with the players he is bringing to Richmond he should be crying :-[
Why? He's still getting good coin. Leave the crying to us. :whistle
thats actually true :cheers
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FTF $ anyone.
Biggest fraud since Pyramid.
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Blair Hartley chuckles at this thread. ;D
with the players he is bringing to Richmond he should be crying :-[
Why? He's still getting good coin. Leave the crying to us. :whistle
thats actually true :cheers
:woohoo
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claw there is no point recruiting blokes who arent up to it. Doesnt matter how old they are or how big they are or how mature they are, if they cant play they cant play and unfortunately for us the players who have been consistently named by our supporters simply cant play to the standard. thats it in a nutshell.
Ted Richards
Mike pike
Mitch Morton
Josh Kennedy.
Etc
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I will always get FJ some leeway Angus because (1) he never wanted the Cub to trade pick whatever it was for McMahon he was going to take the youngest Selwood and (2) has had good ole' Blair telling everyone at the Club that mature age players is the way to go with late picks. Which has meant there have been some kids he hasn't been able to pick ;D
So, McMahon IN 2007.
Same draft FJ took Morton, Collard, Sylvester, Cartledge and Howat again.
Followed in 2008 with Hislop, Thomson and Nahas. Cousins was Cameron's pick based on fan and Sheedy pressure.
Followed in 2009 with Webberley, Nason, Farmer and Roberts.
THEN we got Hartley.
So Hartley was doing a brain telepathy thing forcing FJ to take those recycled players before he came to Richmond.
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I will always get FJ some leeway Angus because (1) he never wanted the Cub to trade pick whatever it was for McMahon he was going to take the youngest Selwood and (2) has had good ole' Blair telling everyone at the Club that mature age players is the way to go with late picks. Which has meant there have been some kids he hasn't been able to pick ;D
So, McMahon IN 2007.
Same draft FJ took Morton, Collard, Sylvester, Cartledge and Howat again.
Followed in 2008 with Hislop, Thomson and Nahas. Cousins was Cameron's pick based on fan and Sheedy pressure.
Followed in 2009 with Webberley, Nason, Farmer and Roberts.
THEN we got Hartley.
So Hartley was doing a brain telepathy thing forcing FJ to take those recycled players before he came to Richmond.
Needs to be moved aside and we should let the new guy Luke Williams take the reigns. 14 years with Stephen Wells is a pretty good CV.
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WTF has Hartley done he hasnt recruited a Taylor Adams،Dom Tyson or Goodard to the club.All players not getting games or delisted hacks he has recruited and gave away a 2rd last year for a dud.
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So, McMahon IN 2007.
Same draft FJ took Morton, Collard, Sylvester, Cartledge and Howat again.
Followed in 2008 with Hislop, Thomson and Nahas. Cousins was Cameron's pick based on fan and Sheedy pressure.
Followed in 2009 with Webberley, Nason, Farmer and Roberts.
THEN we got Hartley.
So Hartley was doing a brain telepathy thing forcing FJ to take those recycled players before he came to Richmond.
Did I say that. No don't think I did
Funny I thought we traded for Morton, ditto Farmer so I don't FJ can be blamed for trades, it isn't his area
Anyways - 2007 every one of those players you mention outside of Morton were rookie selections (will stand corrected)
2008 & 2009 were all late selections and were not all re-cycled players.
Also thought we were focusing on the recruitment of players since Hardwick's been coach which is 2009 onwards
Hartley has been in list analyst now for what? just on 4 years, he is the one that targeted Maric (a tick), Grigg, Houli, Chaplin, Thomas. At the time Grigg & Houli were upgrades and were what was needed but ... to give Grigg a contract extension rather than looking to upgrade on him is an indictment on the Club and popor list management IMV. That the Club gave Chaplin a 4 year deal is looking like simply a foolish decision. These 'decisions' were not the doing of FJ, they were driven by Hartley
All I am saying and has ever said is that whack FJ for his drafting mistakes but not things he has zero control over. People should direct some of the same angst at Blair Hartley because he has a lot to answer for. He has got off so lightly it isn't funny
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FTF $ anyone.
Biggest fraud since Pyramid.
:clapping
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claw there is no point recruiting blokes who arent up to it. Doesnt matter how old they are or how big they are or how mature they are, if they cant play they cant play and unfortunately for us the players who have been consistently named by our supporters simply cant play to the standard. thats it in a nutshell.
Ted Richards
Mike pike
Mitch Morton
Josh Kennedy.
Etc
All recruited into a club with a brilliant culture. Our club has been ape droppings for 30 years.
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Hampson will never prove me wrong, dud that holds us back must go.
Chaplin does not deserve to play, why does he keep getting a game :banghead
The whole list has dropped 5%
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So, McMahon IN 2007.
Same draft FJ took Morton, Collard, Sylvester, Cartledge and Howat again.
Followed in 2008 with Hislop, Thomson and Nahas. Cousins was Cameron's pick based on fan and Sheedy pressure.
Followed in 2009 with Webberley, Nason, Farmer and Roberts.
THEN we got Hartley.
So Hartley was doing a brain telepathy thing forcing FJ to take those recycled players before he came to Richmond.
Did I say that. No don't think I did
Funny I thought we traded for Morton, ditto Farmer so I don't FJ can be blamed for trades, it isn't his area
Anyways - 2007 every one of those players you mention outside of Morton were rookie selections (will stand corrected)
2008 & 2009 were all late selections and were not all re-cycled players.
Also thought we were focusing on the recruitment of players since Hardwick's been coach which is 2009 onwards
Hartley has been in list analyst now for what? just on 4 years, he is the one that targeted Maric (a tick), Grigg, Houli, Chaplin, Thomas. At the time Grigg & Houli were upgrades and were what was needed but ... to give Grigg a contract extension rather than looking to upgrade on him is an indictment on the Club and popor list management IMV. That the Club gave Chaplin a 4 year deal is looking like simply a foolish decision. These 'decisions' were not the doing of FJ, they were driven by Hartley
All I am saying and has ever said is that whack FJ for his drafting mistakes but not things he has zero control over. People should direct some of the same angst at Blair Hartley because he has a lot to answer for. He has got off so lightly it isn't funny
gotta agree with nearly all that and well said. i think the point that should be made is both have a lot to answer for.
i would also like to reiterate what you said about grigg and houli. at the time of recruitment they were decent pick ups. where we have failed is not looking to upgrade on them.
for all others here who all of a sudden think taking mature recruits is folly what would you say if we had taken michael barlow and podsiadlly, would you be bitching about mature recruits if we had taken goddard, i can name numerous other mature recruits who have been fantastic pick ups for their clubs sheesh we even have one in maric.
it annoys the crap out of me that want to forgo mature recruits simply because we have failed to pick the right players. this does not mean that there are no good players out there to be had, ffs there are plenty.
you know what people lets forgo all nd picks after the first round because we fail to pick the right players. that is the logic with people when it comes to mature players.
ffs lets address what is actually wrong and that is not the process of taking kids in the nd or taking mature players weather it be f/a late nd or rookie picks. the problem is not the process of participating in these things. the problem is we just get too many selections wrong right across the board.
right at this minute i can think of half a dozen mature players id love our club to chase at the end of the yr. if we got 3 or 4 of them id be happy. thing is i also want us to use 5 or 6 nd and rookie picks on kids even trade for one as well. its about balance.
as a supporter group we literally lurch from one extreme to the other always throwing the baby out with the bath water.
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We have recruited crap. That is the problem. That and the fact they are on big money, huge money which could have been spent on much better players. Seriously Dustin Martin must be looking around thinking - some of these jokers are on 400k a year and they cant play for poo. The kid has every right to ask for 600k next time around.
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We have recruited crap. That is the problem. That and the fact they are on big money, huge money which could have been spent on much better players. Seriously Dustin Martin must be looking around thinking - some of these jokers are on 400k a year and they cant play for poo. The kid has every right to ask for 600k next time around.
i keep onhearing this player and that player is on big money. the ave contract in the afl would be around 350k. so if grigg or houli are on 300k they would be slightly below average.
ffs ramps we have a tpp that has to be met. an awful lot of players at all clubs are getting big money and a lot of em cant play for poo.
it wont matter who is on our list we will meet the tpp.
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We have recruited crap. That is the problem. That and the fact they are on big money, huge money which could have been spent on much better players. Seriously Dustin Martin must be looking around thinking - some of these jokers are on 400k a year and they cant play for poo. The kid has every right to ask for 600k next time around.
i keep onhearing this player and that player is on big money. the ave contract in the afl would be around 350k. so if grigg or houli are on 300k they would be slightly below average.
ffs ramps we have a tpp that has to be met. an awful lot of players at all clubs are getting big money and a lot of em cant play for poo.
it wont matter who is on our list we will meet the tpp.
I think $250k is the average. $10mill roughly divided up between 38-40.
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That's not the point guys.Why the hell was Chaplin given a 4 yr deal or Knights a 3 yr deal or foley a 3 yr deal and Vickery etc.We always pay overs for players for what cause they show some promise and tease us.
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I think the debate is getting a bit muddled here with money and recruiting philosophies.
No one would really be against recruiting quality mature recruits and paying them a reasonable fee for their services.
I think most people would agree, we never should have recruited Chaplin. Hawthorn recruited, Gibson and Burgoyne, Port recruited, Monfries, White, Polec, Schultz etc. Other clubs recruited Dal Santo, Goddard, Ball, Crameri, list goes on. There have been some very good mature age recruits over the years.
Which leads us to Richmonds recruiting. Chaplin. Thomas. Petterd. Edwards. Lonergen. Stephenson. Dericx. Miller. Hislop. Polak. Hampson to name a few during Hardwick reign.
What the hell were they thinking? Not one quality player in this list. All those selections could have been used on kids who with the right development team in place, could potentially be stars. None of the players above will be anything better than average.
Every game they play is one less game given to blooding a quality kid. Every draft pick is one less young kid in our system. Is the clubs goal to win a flag or be middle of the road. You could argue the later looking at that list.
We let White go after not playing him, we held onto Vickery who had some market value but is clearly not interested, we lose Tyson who was keen to come to the club but we weren't aggressive enough trade wise, we gave Foley a long contract, despite not being able to play a full season for years.
We don't appear to have a genuine recruiting plan in place that will win us a flag. This club has more resources, better facilities than ever before and yet somehow our performances are as bad as they have ever been in so many different ways. No one should escape scrutiny.
I hope the legends of our club, after that disgraceful performance for Hafey lead the way in bringing about change and holding this club to account. Signing up an unproven coach after four years was every bit as disgraceful.
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Funny I thought we traded for Morton, ditto Farmer so I don't FJ can be blamed for trades, it isn't his area
Who else would have info on AFL players at a state level if not FJ and his recruiting staff (in WA and SA respectively).
"It was a trade so none of the recruiters were involved in the decision, the Football Manager made his decision with no knowledge of the player".
ALL the players I listed were playing at lower levels than AFL and would have been judged by FJ and his team but you say only if they were in the ND, PSD or RD.
BTW when did you meet Hartley?
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That's not the point guys.Why the hell was Chaplin given a 4 yr deal or Knights a 3 yr deal or foley a 3 yr deal and Vickery etc.We always pay overs for players for what cause they show some promise and tease us.
i agree we have got the length of contracts wrong but this paying exorbitant amounts is rubbish. the average is around 330 350k wehave to pay the tpp no matter how many poor players we have.
I think the debate is getting a bit muddled here with money and recruiting philosophies.
No one would really be against recruiting quality mature recruits and paying them a reasonable fee for their services.
I think most people would agree, we never should have recruited Chaplin. Hawthorn recruited, Gibson and Burgoyne, Port recruited, Monfries, White, Polec, Schultz etc. Other clubs recruited Dal Santo, Goddard, Ball, Crameri, list goes on. There have been some very good mature age recruits over the years.
Which leads us to Richmonds recruiting. Chaplin. Thomas. Petterd. Edwards. Lonergen. Stephenson. Dericx. Miller. Hislop. Polak. Hampson to name a few during Hardwick reign.
What the hell were they thinking? Not one quality player in this list. All those selections could have been used on kids who with the right development team in place, could potentially be stars. None of the players above will be anything better than average.
Every game they play is one less game given to blooding a quality kid. Every draft pick is one less young kid in our system. Is the clubs goal to win a flag or be middle of the road. You could argue the later looking at that list.
We let White go after not playing him, we held onto Vickery who had some market value but is clearly not interested, we lose Tyson who was keen to come to the club but we weren't aggressive enough trade wise, we gave Foley a long contract, despite not being able to play a full season for years.
We don't appear to have a genuine recruiting plan in place that will win us a flag. This club has more resources, better facilities than ever before and yet somehow our performances are as bad as they have ever been in so many different ways. No one should escape scrutiny.
I hope the legends of our club, after that disgraceful performance for Hafey lead the way in bringing about change and holding this club to account. Signing up an unproven coach after four years was every bit as disgraceful.
i agree i think people are all over the shop and there is a lot of selective memory going on.
for one we havent actually targeted quality mature recruits for what ever reason apart from the odd one or two which has clearly not worked out. your right we have not balanced out or recruiting targeting too many gap fillers.failed to target quality players when available. but im incredulous at posts the same people who bemoan us not taking quality players are the same ones who bemoan the age of said recruits.
chaplin was a needed mature recruit. ffs we were screaming out for a very good mature f/b. unfortunately hes not a good footballer.just because hes a failed pick it doesnt mean we should not have been looking for a mature f/b. the need was enormous. right process wrong choice of player. a edwards was a good pick at pick 79 in the nd, a pick we probably was not going to use.why was he a good pick. 1/ we had a dearth of medium sized fwds the only one we had was no where near it. 2/ what juniors was going to be available who could perform his role at such a late stage in the nd or even rookie draft. of course he was a short term fix the trouble was when we took him there was only one kid of similar type in development and he was and is battling.
ah whats the point people just dont want to hear it especially atm. but you can be rest assured if we give up entirely on mature recruits we will languish in the cellar. there will always be a need to value add just as there will always be a greater need to take our proper quota of kids in the nd. we cant ignore these processes we just have to find the right balance and ffs get our fair share of picks right.
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BTW when did you meet Hartley?
At a couple of club functions
Why?
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Agree with unplugged and Claw. Recruiting from other clubs isn't wrong, recruiting spuds is. From now on it should be proven guns or young players who have potential to grow. No more fringe players with glaring deficiencies.
The club, like myself, probably overated our list and topped up. They need to put the ship back on course at years end.
I have been one to call for Dimma's head of late but maybe if the club does the right thing this off season, in going for youth and overhauling the footy dept, we can move forward with Dimma again next year. He needs to learn from his mistakes and make some big changes. We'll see...
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Agree with unplugged and Claw. Recruiting from other clubs isn't wrong, recruiting spuds is. From now on it should be proven guns or young players who have potential to grow. No more fringe players with glaring deficiencies.
The club, like myself, probably overated our list and topped up. They need to put the ship back on course at years end.
I have been one to call for Dimma's head of late but maybe if the club does the right thing this off season, in going for youth and overhauling the footy dept, we can move forward with Dimma again next year. He needs to learn from his mistakes and make some big changes. We'll see...
Agree good post :clapping
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BTW when did you meet Hartley?
At a couple of club functions
Why?
Just wondering what causes your personal dislike for the man.
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for me his recruiting sucks that is all.
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BTW when did you meet Hartley?
At a couple of club functions
Why?
Just wondering what causes your personal dislike for the man.
would have thought hius record would be enough to answer that. i dont see personal dislike i see a dislike of the job hes done and i agree with wp on this one. hartley is praised by all and sundry but if ypou look closely for yourself ignore the spin his record is actually ordinary imo. the same goes for fj. all i have ever called for with both these blokes and the areas they operate in is we look to do much better. that is insist they do much better be made accountable or find others who can do better.we can all see their records neither is good. i dont get the angst of people in this. we just have to do much better if we ever wish to win a premiership.
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I think we have done better. Problem is the guy is below FJ in the pecking order. Like Williams. 2IC to Wells for more than a decade means he's no spud. Unfortunately he's in charge of state leagues. :banghead
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BTW when did you meet Hartley?
At a couple of club functions
Why?
Just wondering what causes your personal dislike for the man.
Will admit there's more to it than hearing him speak but wont/can't go into it here
I wouldn't call it a "personal dislike" I just don't rate the job he has done in all aspect of his role or to put it another way I reckon he's been terribly over-rated
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Nathan Fyfe and america cox