The Disgrace of our Recruiting of other clubs Hacks!

[Rampstar]

We have recruited crap. That is the problem. That and the fact they are on big money, huge money which could have been spent on much better players. Seriously Dustin Martin must be looking around thinking - some of these jokers are on 400k a year and they cant play for poo. The kid has every right to ask for 600k next time around.

[the claw]

We have recruited crap. That is the problem. That and the fact they are on big money, huge money which could have been spent on much better players. Seriously Dustin Martin must be looking around thinking - some of these jokers are on 400k a year and they cant play for poo. The kid has every right to ask for 600k next time around.

i keep onhearing this player and that player is on big money. the ave contract in the afl would be around 350k. so if grigg or houli are on 300k they would be slightly below average.
ffs ramps we have a tpp that has to be met. an awful lot of players at all clubs are getting big money and a lot of em cant play for poo.
it wont matter who is on our list we will meet the tpp.

[tigs2011]

We have recruited crap. That is the problem. That and the fact they are on big money, huge money which could have been spent on much better players. Seriously Dustin Martin must be looking around thinking - some of these jokers are on 400k a year and they cant play for poo. The kid has every right to ask for 600k next time around.

i keep onhearing this player and that player is on big money. the ave contract in the afl would be around 350k. so if grigg or houli are on 300k they would be slightly below average.
ffs ramps we have a tpp that has to be met. an awful lot of players at all clubs are getting big money and a lot of em cant play for poo.
it wont matter who is on our list we will meet the tpp.

I think $250k is the average. $10mill roughly divided up between 38-40.

[georgies31]

That's not the point guys.Why the hell was Chaplin given a 4 yr deal or Knights a 3 yr deal or foley a 3 yr deal and Vickery etc.We always pay overs for players for what cause they show some promise and tease us.

[unplugged]

I think the debate is getting a bit muddled here with money and recruiting philosophies.

No one would really be against recruiting quality mature recruits and paying them a reasonable fee for their services.

I think most people would agree, we never should have recruited Chaplin.  Hawthorn recruited, Gibson and Burgoyne, Port recruited, Monfries, White, Polec, Schultz etc. Other clubs recruited Dal Santo, Goddard, Ball, Crameri, list goes on.  There have been some very good mature age recruits over the years.

Which leads us to Richmonds recruiting.  Chaplin. Thomas. Petterd.  Edwards.  Lonergen.  Stephenson.  Dericx.  Miller.  Hislop. Polak. Hampson to name a few during Hardwick reign.

What the hell were they thinking?  Not one quality player in this list.  All those selections could have been used on kids who with the right development team in place, could potentially be stars.  None of the players above will be anything better than average.

Every game they play is one less game given to blooding a quality kid.  Every draft pick is one less young kid in our system.  Is the clubs goal to win a flag or be middle of the road.  You could argue the later looking at that list.   

We let White go after not playing him, we held onto Vickery who had some market value but is clearly not interested, we lose Tyson who was keen to come to the club but we weren't aggressive enough trade wise, we gave Foley a long contract, despite not being able to play a full season for years.

We don't appear to have a genuine recruiting plan in place that will win us a flag. This club has more resources, better facilities than ever before and yet somehow our performances are as bad as they have ever been in so many different ways.  No one should escape scrutiny. 

I hope the legends of our club, after that disgraceful performance for Hafey lead the way in bringing about change and holding this club to account.  Signing up an unproven coach after four years was every bit as disgraceful.

[RedanTiger]

Funny I thought we traded for Morton, ditto Farmer so I don't FJ can be blamed for trades, it isn't his area

Who else would have info on AFL players at a state level if not FJ and his recruiting staff (in WA and SA respectively).
"It was a trade so none of the recruiters were involved in the decision, the Football Manager made his decision with no knowledge of the player".
ALL the players I listed were playing at lower levels than AFL and would have been judged by FJ and his team but you say only if they were in the ND, PSD or RD.

BTW when did you meet Hartley? 

[the claw]

That's not the point guys.Why the hell was Chaplin given a 4 yr deal or Knights a 3 yr deal or foley a 3 yr deal and Vickery etc.We always pay overs for players for what cause they show some promise and tease us.

i agree we have got the length of contracts wrong but this paying exorbitant amounts is rubbish.  the average is around 330 350k  wehave to pay the tpp no matter how many poor players we have.

I think the debate is getting a bit muddled here with money and recruiting philosophies.

No one would really be against recruiting quality mature recruits and paying them a reasonable fee for their services.

I think most people would agree, we never should have recruited Chaplin.  Hawthorn recruited, Gibson and Burgoyne, Port recruited, Monfries, White, Polec, Schultz etc. Other clubs recruited Dal Santo, Goddard, Ball, Crameri, list goes on.  There have been some very good mature age recruits over the years.

Which leads us to Richmonds recruiting.  Chaplin. Thomas. Petterd.  Edwards.  Lonergen.  Stephenson.  Dericx.  Miller.  Hislop. Polak. Hampson to name a few during Hardwick reign.

What the hell were they thinking?  Not one quality player in this list.  All those selections could have been used on kids who with the right development team in place, could potentially be stars.  None of the players above will be anything better than average.

Every game they play is one less game given to blooding a quality kid.  Every draft pick is one less young kid in our system.  Is the clubs goal to win a flag or be middle of the road.  You could argue the later looking at that list.   

We let White go after not playing him, we held onto Vickery who had some market value but is clearly not interested, we lose Tyson who was keen to come to the club but we weren't aggressive enough trade wise, we gave Foley a long contract, despite not being able to play a full season for years.

We don't appear to have a genuine recruiting plan in place that will win us a flag. This club has more resources, better facilities than ever before and yet somehow our performances are as bad as they have ever been in so many different ways.  No one should escape scrutiny. 

I hope the legends of our club, after that disgraceful performance for Hafey lead the way in bringing about change and holding this club to account.  Signing up an unproven coach after four years was every bit as disgraceful.

i agree i think people are all over the shop and there is a lot of selective memory going on.
for one we havent actually targeted quality mature recruits for what ever reason apart from the odd one or two which has clearly not worked out. your right we have not balanced out or recruiting targeting too many gap fillers.failed to target quality players when available. but im incredulous at posts the same people who bemoan us not taking quality players are the same ones who bemoan the age of said recruits.

chaplin was a needed mature recruit. ffs we were screaming out for a very good mature f/b. unfortunately hes not a good footballer.just because hes a failed pick it doesnt mean we should not have been looking for a mature f/b. the need was enormous.  right process wrong choice of player. a edwards was a good pick at pick 79 in the nd, a pick we probably was not going to use.why was he a good pick. 1/ we had a dearth of medium sized fwds the only one we had was no where near it. 2/ what juniors was going to be available who could perform his role  at such a late stage in the nd or even rookie draft. of course he was a short term fix the trouble was when we took him there was only one kid of similar type in development and he was and is battling.

ah whats the point people just dont want to hear it especially atm.  but you can be rest assured if we give up  entirely on mature recruits we will languish in the cellar. there will always be a need to value add just as there will always be a greater need to take our proper quota of kids in the nd. we cant ignore these processes we just have to find the right balance and ffs get our fair share of picks right.

[WilliamPowell]

BTW when did you meet Hartley?

At a couple of club functions

Why?

[Willy]

Agree with unplugged and Claw. Recruiting from other clubs isn't wrong, recruiting spuds is. From now on it should be proven guns or young players who have potential to grow. No more fringe players with glaring deficiencies.
The club, like myself, probably overated our list and topped up. They need to put the ship back on course at years end.
I have been one to call for Dimma's head of late but maybe if the club does the right thing this off season, in going for youth and overhauling the footy dept, we can move forward with Dimma again next year. He needs to learn from his mistakes and make some big changes. We'll see...

[WilliamPowell]

Agree with unplugged and Claw. Recruiting from other clubs isn't wrong, recruiting spuds is. From now on it should be proven guns or young players who have potential to grow. No more fringe players with glaring deficiencies.
The club, like myself, probably overated our list and topped up. They need to put the ship back on course at years end.
I have been one to call for Dimma's head of late but maybe if the club does the right thing this off season, in going for youth and overhauling the footy dept, we can move forward with Dimma again next year. He needs to learn from his mistakes and make some big changes. We'll see...

Agree good post 

[RedanTiger]

BTW when did you meet Hartley?

At a couple of club functions

Why?

Just wondering what causes your personal dislike for the man.

[Rampstar]

for me his recruiting sucks that is all.

[the claw]

BTW when did you meet Hartley?

At a couple of club functions

Why?

Just wondering what causes your personal dislike for the man.

would have thought hius record would be enough to answer that. i dont see personal dislike i see a dislike of the job hes done and i agree with wp on this one. hartley is praised by all and sundry but if ypou look closely for yourself ignore the spin his record is actually ordinary imo. the same goes for fj. all i have ever called for with both these blokes and the areas they operate in is we look to do much better. that is insist they do much better be made accountable  or find others who can do better.we can all see their records neither is good. i dont get the angst of people in this. we just have to do much better if we ever wish to win a premiership.

[tigs2011]

I think we have done better. Problem is the guy is below FJ in the pecking order. Like Williams. 2IC to Wells for more than a decade means he's no spud. Unfortunately he's in charge of state leagues. 

[WilliamPowell]

BTW when did you meet Hartley?

At a couple of club functions

Why?

Just wondering what causes your personal dislike for the man.

Will admit there's more to it than hearing him speak but wont/can't go into it here

I wouldn't call it a "personal dislike" I just don't rate the job he has done in all aspect of his role or to put it another way I reckon he's been terribly over-rated