The Disgrace of our Recruiting of other clubs Hacks!

[Rampstar]

how can you recruit players like Hampson and Grigg and Chaplin and not be under the microscope. These 3 players alone who arent worth a dime in my opinion are probably cost the club $900,000 a season combined. We could have gotten a superstar for that amount of money. If Hartley is an untouchable its an absolute disgrace.

[WilliamPowell]

how can you recruit players like Hampson and Grigg and Chaplin and not be under the microscope. These 3 players alone who arent worth a dime in my opinion are probably cost the club $900,000 a season combined. We could have gotten a superstar for that amount of money. If Hartley is an untouchable its an absolute disgrace.

Just my view about him being an untouchable

When you hear the likes of Benny Gale & Dan Richardson saying what a fantastic job he is doing then you start to think he is untouchable. Well I do at least

[Rampstar]

how can you recruit players like Hampson and Grigg and Chaplin and not be under the microscope. These 3 players alone who arent worth a dime in my opinion are probably cost the club $900,000 a season combined. We could have gotten a superstar for that amount of money. If Hartley is an untouchable its an absolute disgrace.

Just my view about him being an untouchable

When you hear the likes of Benny Gale & Dan Richardson saying what a fantastic job he is doing then you start to think he is untouchable. Well I do at least

I say this again the board have to take a serious look at every position within the administrative side of the club and that includes both Benny Gale and Dan Richardson.

[Hellenic Tiger]

When the club looks at its bottom line for season 2015 and sees that membership numbers will drop as well as membership dollars from people downgrading added to that the dwindling contributions to the  Failing Tiger Fraud Fund then you would hope that those in power have the gonads to address this and make everyone accountable rather than individuals putting themselves above the relevant issues  that seem to be affecting the club.

We haven't beaten Geelong since 2006.
Collingwood since 2007.

There's just a major issue highlighting on field personnel and how they got to be at the club.

[Hellenic Tiger]

We need a Brian Cook type to review all and sundry.
Right now everyone has their own department and the problems seem to belong to someone else.

[the claw]

hmm. how to put this.
chaplin hampson grigg houli morris miles and a lot of others were needed. not the players themselves but the mature type of player they represent.

yep we have got the quality wrong we have recruited some ordinary players. but i sure hope we dont lose sight of the fact that mature types are needed as long as they have enough quality about em.

[Rampstar]

claw there is no point recruiting blokes who arent up to it. Doesnt matter how old they are or how big they are or how mature they are, if they cant play they cant play and unfortunately for us the players who have been consistently named by our supporters simply cant play to the standard. thats it in a nutshell.

[Hellenic Tiger]

Claw just my opinion and reading yours I see what you mean and I agree but in terms of the mature players we bring to the club is it also the club culture that we have that whilst we look at clubs like Collingwood, Sydney, Hawthorn who may bring a mature recruit to add to their stocks and the penny drops and they bust a gut and turn into a valuable commodity for their teams whereas with blokes that come to us see the culture and recognise that,

RFC on the other hand seems to be a half way house for blokes who rather than thank their lucky stars to get another AFL chance thank their lucky stars to induce good coin for a few more years knowing that the "unique and tenuous" relationship the club has with its fan base will ensure they will play week in and out so that the club justifies their selection at the club and hence they play as if they don't care.

Whilst your theory claw at a good club would make a sound if not successful model with a culture that is positive a club like the RFC whose culture is poor regardless of who comes and goes very few go on to make real names of themselves for all the right reasons. Our culture is stuffed both on and off field and thus blokes like Chaplin, Grigg and co are happy to just cruise.

 

[the claw]

Claw just my opinion and reading yours I see what you mean and I agree but in terms of the mature players we bring to the club is it also the club culture that we have that whilst we look at clubs like Collingwood, Sydney, Hawthorn who may bring a mature recruit to add to their stocks and the penny drops and they bust a gut and turn into a valuable commodity for their teams whereas with blokes that come to us see the culture and recognise that,

RFC on the other hand seems to be a half way house for blokes who rather than thank their lucky stars to get another AFL chance thank their lucky stars to induce good coin for a few more years knowing that the "unique and tenuous" relationship the club has with its fan base will ensure they will play week in and out so that the club justifies their selection at the club and hence they play as if they don't care.

Whilst your theory claw at a good club would make a sound if not successful model with a culture that is positive a club like the RFC whose culture is poor regardless of who comes and goes very few go on to make real names of themselves for all the right reasons. Our culture is stuffed both on and off field and thus blokes like Chaplin, Grigg and co are happy to just cruise.

i think the problem arises especially with chaplin is we ignore the history. like hampson 7 yrs in the system a lot of pretty glalring weaknesses and performance that spelled danger yet we traded for him.we ignored the obvios with sean thinking we could turn it around.
chaplin is the same. geez i dont know how many times ive mentioned that chaplin is no different at richmond to what he was at port. even i got suckered in with chaplin though.
 i was hopeful we could do what p/a never could and that was turn him into a good reliable  1v 1 defender capable of  consitently stopping and playing on the big kpfs. i had hoped for this despite chaplin not showing this apart from the odd game at age 26 and god knows how many seasons. we all live and learn eh. the chaplin deficiencies have always been there for all to see.
im sorry that only deals with part of your post but i cant atm reply to the rest. just too peeed off and there is no objectivity. they deserve a bake imo and i dont really feel like defending them.
i just think sometimes we throw as supporters throw the baby out with the bathj water after a  unacceptable  loss.

[Hellenic Tiger]

Claw just my opinion and reading yours I see what you mean and I agree but in terms of the mature players we bring to the club is it also the club culture that we have that whilst we look at clubs like Collingwood, Sydney, Hawthorn who may bring a mature recruit to add to their stocks and the penny drops and they bust a gut and turn into a valuable commodity for their teams whereas with blokes that come to us see the culture and recognise that,

RFC on the other hand seems to be a half way house for blokes who rather than thank their lucky stars to get another AFL chance thank their lucky stars to induce good coin for a few more years knowing that the "unique and tenuous" relationship the club has with its fan base will ensure they will play week in and out so that the club justifies their selection at the club and hence they play as if they don't care.

Whilst your theory claw at a good club would make a sound if not successful model with a culture that is positive a club like the RFC whose culture is poor regardless of who comes and goes very few go on to make real names of themselves for all the right reasons. Our culture is stuffed both on and off field and thus blokes like Chaplin, Grigg and co are happy to just cruise.

i think the problem arises especially with chaplin is we ignore the history. like hampson 7 yrs in the system a lot of pretty glalring weaknesses and performance that spelled danger yet we traded for him.we ignored the obvios with sean thinking we could turn it around.
chaplin is the same. geez i dont know how many times ive mentioned that chaplin is no different at richmond to what he was at port. even i got suckered in with chaplin though.
 i was hopeful we could do what p/a never could and that was turn him into a good reliable  1v 1 defender capable of  consitently stopping and playing on the big kpfs. i had hoped for this despite chaplin not showing this apart from the odd game at age 26 and god knows how many seasons. we all live and learn eh. the chaplin deficiencies have always been there for all to see.
im sorry that only deals with part of your post but i cant atm reply to the rest. just too peeed off and there is no objectivity. they deserve a bake imo and i dont really feel like defending them.
i just think sometimes we throw as supporters throw the baby out with the bathj water after a  unacceptable  loss.

No dramas Claw.

[TigerLand]

Agree 100% Ramps. 100%

Hartley has one of the most enjoyable jobs in the world. Who wouldn't want to be paid to make an AFL premiership list. Took a huge gamble on recruiting other AFL clubs banana peels and potato skins. A team of B Graders will only go so far, and when not in form will fall dramatically.

[Tigeritis™©®]

Claw just my opinion and reading yours I see what you mean and I agree but in terms of the mature players we bring to the club is it also the club culture that we have that whilst we look at clubs like Collingwood, Sydney, Hawthorn who may bring a mature recruit to add to their stocks and the penny drops and they bust a gut and turn into a valuable commodity for their teams whereas with blokes that come to us see the culture and recognise that,

RFC on the other hand seems to be a half way house for blokes who rather than thank their lucky stars to get another AFL chance thank their lucky stars to induce good coin for a few more years knowing that the "unique and tenuous" relationship the club has with its fan base will ensure they will play week in and out so that the club justifies their selection at the club and hence they play as if they don't care.

Whilst your theory claw at a good club would make a sound if not successful model with a culture that is positive a club like the RFC whose culture is poor regardless of who comes and goes very few go on to make real names of themselves for all the right reasons. Our culture is stuffed both on and off field and thus blokes like Chaplin, Grigg and co are happy to just cruise.

Spot on.

This club has failed again to address the disease.
Tigeritis is back with a vengeance.
This disease is everywhere at Richmond, the recruiting, development, bootstudders, massagers coaches etc.
It's not until someone comes in that fixes this issue first the cycle will always continue.


Fix the culture first!!!

[Rampstar]

Agree 100% Ramps. 100%

Hartley has one of the most enjoyable jobs in the world. Who wouldn't want to be paid to make an AFL premiership list. Took a huge gamble on recruiting other AFL clubs banana peels and potato skins. A team of B Graders will only go so far, and when not in form will fall dramatically.

Mate he hasnt recruited B graders he has recruited absolute crap and what makes it worse is that they are on huge money. Its an absolute disgrace.

[tigs2011]

Blair Hartley chuckles at this thread. 

[tigs2011]

Agree 100% Ramps. 100%

Hartley has one of the most enjoyable jobs in the world. Who wouldn't want to be paid to make an AFL premiership list. Took a huge gamble on recruiting other AFL clubs banana peels and potato skins. A team of B Graders will only go so far, and when not in form will fall dramatically.

Mate he hasnt recruited B graders he has recruited absolute crap and what makes it worse is that they are on huge money. Its an absolute disgrace.

Big Blair. Always getting it done.