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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Golfprotiger on May 27, 2014, 08:20:48 PM
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Could he be useful, if we saved our pennies?
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Not worth what he wants
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Such is their dearth of key defenders batchelor/grimes/helbig would prove tempting :shh
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Such is their dearth of key defenders batchelor/grimes/helbig would prove tempting :shh
would it be a 'shrewd' pickup !
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And what does he want exactly Mrackoff?
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Such is their dearth of key defenders batchelor/grimes/helbig would prove tempting :shh
your taking the pee arent ya bo. would be great if you actually named a key defender or for that matter a proven solid player at least.
while most have sung camerons praises ive held my tongue on him. i reckon hes exceptionally lazy talented yes. im waiting to see which way this lad goes. reckon his role is not so much as a big kpf but more as a taller jack gunston just my thinking on him atm.
and no im not calling him a dud i think he will be a pretty decent player if he can get over himself and extract the digit.
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Such is their dearth of key defenders batchelor/grimes/helbig would prove tempting :shh
your taking the pee arent ya bo. would be great if you actually named a key defender or for that matter a proven solid player at least.
while most have sung camerons praises ive held my tongue on him. i reckon hes exceptionally lazy talented yes. im waiting to see which way this lad goes. reckon his role is not so much as a big kpf but more as a taller jack gunston just my thinking on him atm.
and no im not calling him a dud i think he will be a pretty decent player if he can get over himself and extract the digit.
I have also highlighted how lazy he is in the past, doesn't hardly put any defensive pressure on and looks to sook it up when things don't go his way
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And what does he want exactly Mrackoff?
Media reckons a million per season but I doubt that
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Waiting for the same old people to say "we will have him as long as we don't pay overs"
Makes me want to punch someone in the face! :banghead
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Him and jack in the same fwd line= premiership contenders
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Agreed
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And what does he want exactly Mrackoff?
squillions
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Next Carey. Get.
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I'd trade Vickory and Griff out to start with. That would free up some cash and we wouldn't have to watch either of those pea hearts again in a Tigers jumper.
Vickory would get us a late first rounder and loose about $350/400k a year and griff would get us a second rounder and loose about $300k a year too.
We would have our first pick also, so surely we could get a deal done.
At the end of the day it might cost us an extra 300k
Also considering we have Elton and McBean in the wings, we could afford to loose those two..
I can only dream
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I want..
But at what cost? Contracted till end of next season and media talking him up like hes worth a mil a season? :-\
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I want..
But at what cost? Contracted till end of next season and media talking him up like hes worth a mil a season? :-\
Potentially he is. That's a chance someone will take and it will pay off IMO.
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no thanks, Blood our own players fresh from draft
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no thanks, Blood our own players fresh from draft
How has that been going for us?
Our drafting is putrid and our development not much better.
I guess if we all cross our fingers that might help :thumbsup
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Cameron is a bit of a one trick pony that most teams have worked out how to stop. Doesn't respond well to close marking and double teaming.
Our money is better spent elsewhere
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Cameron is a bit of a one trick pony that most teams have worked out how to stop. Doesn't respond well to close marking and double teaming.
Our money is better spent elsewhere
He doesn't respond well to "double teaming" :lol
Who does? Isn't he still about 20 years old?
"One trick pony".. He is anything but.
Not having the greatest season to date but almost won a Coleman Medal last year in his second season.
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no thanks, Blood our own players fresh from draft
How has that been going for us?
Our drafting is putrid and our development not much better.
I guess if we all cross our fingers that might help :thumbsup
cause no-one that we had down there the last 30 years knew how to work with young footballers & take them to the next levels. now if we had some good assistant coaches & a good head coach like we got now. then l see progress in players like Griffiths, Vlossy, Conca, Ellis, Morris, Lennon, Martin, Cotchin, Deledio, Rewoldt, Rance, Grimes, Astbury, you saying they aint some we blooded including ones l missed
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Cameron is a bit of a one trick pony that most teams have worked out how to stop. Doesn't respond well to close marking and double teaming.
Our money is better spent elsewhere
He doesn't respond well to "double teaming" :lol
Who does? Isn't he still about 20 years old?
"One trick pony".. He is anything but.
Not having the greatest season to date but almost won a Coleman Medal last year in his second season.
if our development is not much better than putrid what's the point in paying a 20 year old big money, as we will only stuff him up as a player?
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no thanks, Blood our own players fresh from draft
How has that been going for us?
Our drafting is putrid and our development not much better.
I guess if we all cross our fingers that might help :thumbsup
cause no-one that we had down there the last 30 years knew how to work with young footballers & take them to the next levels. now if we had some good assistant coaches & a good head coach like we got now. then l see progress in players like Griffiths, Vlossy, Conca, Ellis, Morris, Lennon, Martin, Cotchin, Deledio, Rewoldt, Rance, Grimes, Astbury, you saying they aint some we blooded including ones l missed
Let's be honest here- the only decent players out of that group are first round draft picks- Vlossy, Conca, Ellis, Lennon, Martin, Cotch, Lids, Rewoldt, Rance,
These blokes are going to play good footy wherever they get drafted. Don't kid yourself. I wouldn't give Richmond to much credit for their development.
The others, Griffiths, Morris, Grimes and Astbury are hardly A graders. It's taken Griff and Astbury 4 years to break into the team on a regular basis.
Where is the development of the other 20 odd blokes we drafted with those first rounders??
Even the good sides with great culture need help with getting their list competitive by recruiting stars in. Look at Sydney in the last two years- two bloody stars recruited in.
It's time to keep up Richmond, you are getting left behind. Preying and hoping ain't going to get it done.
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Cameron is a bit of a one trick pony that most teams have worked out how to stop. Doesn't respond well to close marking and double teaming.
Our money is better spent elsewhere
He doesn't respond well to "double teaming" :lol
Who does? Isn't he still about 20 years old?
"One trick pony".. He is anything but.
Not having the greatest season to date but almost won a Coleman Medal last year in his second season.
if our development is not much better than putrid what's the point in paying a 20 year old big money, as we will only stuff him up as a player?
What?
Good players are good players. They will develop wherever they are. It's natural to them.
Development is for players that are not stars when they are drafted.
Do you give Richmond credit for the development of Cotch, Lids and Martin? They would be stars if they were drafted anywhere.
It's one thing to not want Cameron but to say he is a one trick pony at age 20 and he is no good when he is double teamed is stupid.
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I want..
But at what cost? Contracted till end of next season and media talking him up like hes worth a mil a season? :-\
Potentially he is. That's a chance someone will take and it will pay off IMO.
Hes worth it for mine, you build teams around players like him. Given he loves to roam, Jack playing deep and Cameron roaming just fits perfectly for mine. Then you don't have to give 2 poos about whether a Griff or TV will finally 'fingers crossed, please I beg you' step up.
our 1st round pick and TV or Griff for Cameron. They'd laugh at that though unless TV starts showing something in the ruck
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Fits the bits fish
Doesn't have to play vs rance
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no thanks, Blood our own players fresh from draft
How has that been going for us?
Our drafting is putrid and our development not much better.
I guess if we all cross our fingers that might help :thumbsup
cause no-one that we had down there the last 30 years knew how to work with young footballers & take them to the next levels. now if we had some good assistant coaches & a good head coach like we got now. then l see progress in players like Griffiths, Vlossy, Conca, Ellis, Morris, Lennon, Martin, Cotchin, Deledio, Rewoldt, Rance, Grimes, Astbury, you saying they aint some we blooded including ones l missed
Let's be honest here- the only decent players out of that group are first round draft picks- Vlossy, Conca, Ellis, Lennon, Martin, Cotch, Lids, Rewoldt, Rance,
These blokes are going to play good footy wherever they get drafted. Don't kid yourself. I wouldn't give Richmond to much credit for their development.
The others, Griffiths, Morris, Grimes and Astbury are hardly A graders. It's taken Griff and Astbury 4 years to break into the team on a regular basis.
Where is the development of the other 20 odd blokes we drafted with those first rounders??
Even the good sides with great culture need help with getting their list competitive by recruiting stars in. Look at Sydney in the last two years- two bloody stars recruited in.
It's time to keep up Richmond, you are getting left behind. Preying and hoping ain't going to get it done.
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Take the blinkers off Tone. How about Madonna, Grimes and Dea from last week? Two picks in the 40's and a PSD? Astbury not an A grader? Our best defender with some big scalps this year until he went down.
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Cameron is a bit of a one trick pony that most teams have worked out how to stop. Doesn't respond well to close marking and double teaming.
Our money is better spent elsewhere
He doesn't respond well to "double teaming" :lol
Who does? Isn't he still about 20 years old?
"One trick pony".. He is anything but.
Not having the greatest season to date but almost won a Coleman Medal last year in his second season.
if our development is not much better than putrid what's the point in paying a 20 year old big money, as we will only stuff him up as a player?
What?
Good players are good players. They will develop wherever they are. It's natural to them.
Development is for players that are not stars when they are drafted.
Do you give Richmond credit for the development of Cotch, Lids and Martin? They would be stars if they were drafted anywhere.
It's one thing to not want Cameron but to say he is a one trick pony at age 20 and he is no good when he is double teamed is stupid.
I did not mention anything about being a one trick pony or when double teamed
On one hand you tell us that our drafting and development is putrid, so therefore we should trade for a first round draft pick that still needs developing, rather than go through the draft and develop our own. Whats the point of that if we cant develop?
but you then go on to say that a good player will become a good player regardless of development and then list 9 of our first round draft picks from recent times that are good players
So unless you believe we could get cameron without giving up a first round draft pick, you a chasing your tail.
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We should have the money, chase a big fish for once tigers and show me you're serious like you ask of me over and over again!
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Dud. Delist (from GWS). Then come to where all the other duds are.... :gotigers
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I don't agree with trying to poach players unless they aren't getting much of a run at the current club.
GWS need him a lot more than us and the game of footy needs him at GWS.
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Boyd \ Patton \ Cameron is selfish and we should have one
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Boyd \ Patton \ Cameron is selfish and we should have one
:yep
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I don't agree with trying to poach players unless they aren't getting much of a run at the current club.
GWS need him a lot more than us and the game of footy needs him at GWS.
What bollocks....it's exactly that kind of thinking that holds us back.
....and footy doesn't need GWS period. In fact it'd be better off without them.
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Boyd \ Patton \ Cameron is selfish and we should have one
I'd be happy with one of the 3 you just mentioned. Actually maybe not Patton due to injury history.
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GWS need him a lot more than us and the game of footy needs him at GWS.
:facepalm
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I don't agree with trying to poach players unless they aren't getting much of a run at the current club.
GWS need him a lot more than us and the game of footy needs him at GWS.
:gobdrop
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I don't agree with trying to poach players unless they aren't getting much of a run at the current club.
GWS need him a lot more than us and the game of footy needs him at GWS.
:gobdrop :gobdrop :gobdrop :gobdrop :gobdrop :gobdrop :gobdrop
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I want a power forward. Not another 'lean' key forward.
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I want a power forward. Not another 'lean' key forward.
(http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/GWSGiants/Images/news%20images/BoydGIANTSSLIDER.jpg)
So which one is the "lean" one?
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Dunno about lean but they all look at bit special, are trying to look tough?
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I don't agree with trying to poach players unless they aren't getting much of a run at the current club.
GWS need him a lot more than us and the game of footy needs him at GWS.
I'm a RFC supporter first second and third, couldn't give a stuff if gws need him, we should craft a bid to get him home , dead set gun , put him in a good environment and he d be even better :clapping
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Jono Patton has a hairline like a werewolf, awwwwooooooooooohhhhhhhhh!
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I would have Cameron at the club in a heartbeat!
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I would have Cameron at the club in a heartbeat!
Straight swap for Shed
Get it done Tiges :clapping
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AS always when these things pop up....the good stuff at princess park might be interested
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Reckon Carlton are in Boyd's ear.....made it clear in every interview before and even just after the draft that he supported them.
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Mad tiger has to get dumb foty for that post seriously man....?
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I would have Cameron at the club in a heartbeat!
Me too. Jack and he in the fwd 50? Yes please.
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Reckon Carlton are in Boyd's ear.....made it clear in every interview before and even just after the draft that he supported them.
they don't have any cap space
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How does everyone always have cap space bar us ffs
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How does everyone always have cap space bar us ffs
Bc they arent afraid to cut players loose and make adjustments on the run to squeeze them in.
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How does everyone always have cap space bar us ffs
Bc they arent afraid to cut players loose and make adjustments on the run to squeeze them in.
Spot on :clapping
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How does everyone always have cap space bar us ffs
Bc they arent afraid to cut players loose and make adjustments on the run to squeeze them in.
In other words, most other clubs actually have competent list managers.
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Reckon Carlton are in Boyd's ear.....made it clear in every interview before and even just after the draft that he supported them.
they don't have any cap space
We are talking about Carlton here...
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Reckon Carlton are in Boyd's ear.....made it clear in every interview before and even just after the draft that he supported them.
they don't have any cap space
We are talking about Carlton here...
What's a cap?
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Cameron is a bit of a one trick pony that most teams have worked out how to stop. Doesn't respond well to close marking and double teaming.
Our money is better spent elsewhere
He doesn't respond well to "double teaming" :lol
Who does? Isn't he still about 20 years old?
"One trick pony".. He is anything but.
Not having the greatest season to date but almost won a Coleman Medal last year in his second season.
if our development is not much better than putrid what's the point in paying a 20 year old big money, as we will only stuff him up as a player?
What?
Good players are good players. They will develop wherever they are. It's natural to them.
Development is for players that are not stars when they are drafted.
Do you give Richmond credit for the development of Cotch, Lids and Martin? They would be stars if they were drafted anywhere.
It's one thing to not want Cameron but to say he is a one trick pony at age 20 and he is no good when he is double teamed is stupid.
I did not mention anything about being a one trick pony or when double teamed
On one hand you tell us that our drafting and development is putrid, so therefore we should trade for a first round draft pick that still needs developing, rather than go through the draft and develop our own. Whats the point of that if we cant develop?
but you then go on to say that a good player will become a good player regardless of development and then list 9 of our first round draft picks from recent times that are good players
So unless you believe we could get cameron without giving up a first round draft pick, you a chasing your tail.
That was me al so I have no idea why the Big Toaster pinned it on you.
BT, to get Cameron out of the game all you have to do is rough him up a bit and he goes missing. Not sure how many games you have seen Cameron play live but I have seen plenty and I can tell you, that last year most clubs gave him too much time and space and allowed him to play his natural game. This year, opposition teams are right on him and giving him no room to move.
He is very good overhead and judges the flight of the footy really well, but he struggles to get right into heavily contested marking situations unless he can either get a clean leap from behind or wait for scraps off the back of the pack. Last year GWS were kicking over his head whenever possible so he could use his speed in one on one sprints towards the goals which in most cases he won. Drop an extra man back and it kills this type of tactic. Cameron hasn't kicked many goals this way if any this year but last year about 30% of his goals came using this tactic.
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Cameron is a bit of a one trick pony that most teams have worked out how to stop. Doesn't respond well to close marking and double teaming.
Our money is better spent elsewhere
He doesn't respond well to "double teaming" :lol
Who does? Isn't he still about 20 years old?
"One trick pony".. He is anything but.
Not having the greatest season to date but almost won a Coleman Medal last year in his second season.
if our development is not much better than putrid what's the point in paying a 20 year old big money, as we will only stuff him up as a player?
What?
Good players are good players. They will develop wherever they are. It's natural to them.
Development is for players that are not stars when they are drafted.
Do you give Richmond credit for the development of Cotch, Lids and Martin? They would be stars if they were drafted anywhere.
It's one thing to not want Cameron but to say he is a one trick pony at age 20 and he is no good when he is double teamed is stupid.
I did not mention anything about being a one trick pony or when double teamed
On one hand you tell us that our drafting and development is putrid, so therefore we should trade for a first round draft pick that still needs developing, rather than go through the draft and develop our own. Whats the point of that if we cant develop?
but you then go on to say that a good player will become a good player regardless of development and then list 9 of our first round draft picks from recent times that are good players
So unless you believe we could get cameron without giving up a first round draft pick, you a chasing your tail.
That was me al so I have no idea why the Big Toaster pinned it on you.
BT, to get Cameron out of the game all you have to do is rough him up a bit and he goes missing. Not sure how many games you have seen Cameron play live but I have seen plenty and I can tell you, that last year most clubs gave him too much time and space and allowed him to play his natural game. This year, opposition teams are right on him and giving him no room to move.
He is very good overhead and judges the flight of the footy really well, but he struggles to get right into heavily contested marking situations unless he can either get a clean leap from behind or wait for scraps off the back of the pack. Last year GWS were kicking over his head whenever possible so he could use his speed in one on one sprints towards the goals which in most cases he won. Drop an extra man back and it kills this type of tactic. Cameron hasn't kicked many goals this way if any this year but last year about 30% of his goals came using this tactic.
My apologies Al, I thought you were going mad when I read you didn't say that Cameron was a one trick pony. It's tiga that has gone mad!! :lol :thumbsup
On Cameron, I haven't seen him live much as I go to watch Richmond play most weeks. But I have seen him on TV a fair bit due to watching a friends brother who plays for them. I know it's only an opinion but I think he is a star in the making. And it seems most in the media who have played the game think the same thing. Some even comparing him to The King Wayne Carey who could play a bit. Also saying a 20 year old KPF isn't great when double teamed is a touch hard on the kid. He will get stronger and more experienced and be able to compete a little better for a little longer.
Would love him a Tigerland but I know it won't happen.
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We need a KPF who isn't shy in unleashing a torp 70m out.
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We need a KPF who isn't shy in unleashing a torp 70m out.
Griff can do that with a drop punt.....but we don't let him..
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Yep.
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We need a KPF who isn't shy in unleashing a torp 70m out.
Griff can do that with a drop punt.....but we don't let him..
What?
we dont let him? :huh3
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Griff can kick half the ground
He is instructed to kick ten meters sideways dinky crap instead
Its infuriating
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bollocks
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Nuh
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He's probably going to the Swans.
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Griff can kick half the ground
He is instructed to kick ten meters sideways dinky crap instead
Its infuriating
Slightly off topic, how about that pass from Martin to Riewoldt? Martin took that kick in the centre of the ground and somehow it made it deep in the forward pocket!
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We need a KPF who isn't shy in unleashing a torp 70m out.
Griff can do that with a drop punt.....but we don't let him..
What?
we dont let him? :huh3
It's unbelievable some of the bullstuffingpoo that is posted
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So Griff can kick 70 - yet often does dinky 5 m side ways kicks
Directly opposed to the coaches orders?
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So Griff can kick 70 - yet often does dinky 5 m side ways kicks
Directly opposed to the coaches orders?
but of course, the only possibilities are that the coaches tell him to only kick long or only to kick short. it has to be one or the other doesnt it ? ::)
if you havnt seen griffiths roost long kicks from half back or take shots on goal from outside 50 then you clearly do not watch games.
If you think that the coaches tell him not to ever kick long, either for a pass or more specifically, for goal (which is what the original stupidity was that started this conversation ) then you are clearly mental.
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We don't let him kick 70m? That's just stupid and incorrect.
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Griff can kick half the ground
He is instructed to kick ten meters sideways dinky crap instead
Its infuriating
lol that is golden and taking defending poor players to a new extreme. id be happy if griffiths could just get the ball so he can kick it 5 mtrs or 70.
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Griff can kick half the ground
He is instructed to kick ten meters sideways dinky crap instead
Its infuriating
lol that is golden and taking defending poor players to a new extreme. id be happy if griffiths could just get the ball so he can kick it 5 mtrs or 70.
Good point Claw are the coaches not telling him to get a possession so he can't kick it 5m
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lmao
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:lol
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GET THIS KID.
CHF.
would straighten us up big time.
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gotta say anyone who thinks we have good tall fwd stocks are kidding themselves.
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We only have Riewoldt. We have no one else.
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We only have Riewoldt. We have no one else.
Starting to look that way....
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It looks that way but the ball movement to the forward line must be the worst in the history of the club.
It would be terrible playing as a KPP for us.......
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gotta say anyone who thinks we have good tall fwd stocks are kidding themselves.
Same as our backline, offers little to nothing. In fact, same as our center, the centerline that was being touted as one of the best in the comp next to the hawks. Who is in there now...Cotch..and ...um.... ::)
We had Cotch, Foley, Arnott, Deledio, Martin.....now Martin is played everywhere except up in the pie stand, Lids has been booted down back again Foley is the sub, Arnott has been sent back to the two's for no reason and Cotch is alone!!!