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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: MintOnLamb on June 09, 2014, 04:01:25 PM
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We can't change coach without losing too much $. Why dont we spend money on the best list management/ttalent scout/recruiting personnel to get our list right so that in 2 years IF we change head coach then we know we have recruited the best players we possibly can and give ourselves a great launching platform, if we had spent money on chappie and goddard imagine what a different outfit we would be today. Plus has our list management let us down with our recent decisions?
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clubs very happy with FJ ::)
eff me we wont improve bc all the problems that are staring us right in the face ie drafting, moneyball and conditioning are not seen to be issues according to the club, so while we can sit here typing that if only we do this this and that we'll be back on track - it wont happen bc the club don't see it that way.
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clubs very happy with FJ ::)
eff me we wont improve bc all the problems that are staring us right in the face ie drafting, moneyball and conditioning are not seen to be issues according to the club, so while we can sit here typing that if only we do this this and that we'll be back on track - it wont happen bc the club don't see it that way.
Yeah to me, it sounded like Dan Richardson was backin in our recruiting strategy on SEN today :whistle
Though if these top up players would have done a good enough job to we land better players and draftees it would have been a masterstroke. But unfirtunately for us its not :-\
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clubs very happy with FJ ::)
eff me we wont improve bc all the problems that are staring us right in the face ie drafting, moneyball and conditioning are not seen to be issues according to the club, so while we can sit here typing that if only we do this this and that we'll be back on track - it wont happen bc the club don't see it that way.
Yet some on here think FJ is full of masterstrokes.
Should have got Chris Pelchen whilst we had the chance. What have I been digging deep into my pockets for and so many others to reduce the debt or make our footy department and footy side competitive and up to scratch in pursuit of ultimate success. Me thinks not. Charlatans, Liars and Schysters.
RFC= Repetetive Failing Club.
The Skata Cycle. 32 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop. ®©™
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Can someone describe the difference between a Recruiting Manager and List Manager?
How can a recruiting manager successfully do his job without being in control of where the playing list is at?
How can a list manager successfully build / manage a list without being in control of who is recruited?
Makes no sense to me.
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Didn't the club already sort out succession with Luke Williams? :huh
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Can someone describe the difference between a Recruiting Manager and List Manager?
How can a recruiting manager successfully do his job without being in control of where the playing list is at?
How can a list manager successfully build / manage a list without being in control of who is recruited?
Makes no sense to me.
At RFC the recruiting manager scratches his left gonad the list manager scratches his right and all and sundry scratch both of Blair's.
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We sack the recruiting bloke and all that does is mask the problem we have with the coach.........
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Didn't the club already sort out succession with Luke Williams? :huh
Most certainly did, a pivotal figure in geelongs dynasty thank you :clapping....Chris pelchen :lol ask dermie what he thinks of him :shh
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Didn't the club already sort out succession with Luke Williams? :huh
Most certainly did, a pivotal figure in geelongs dynasty thank you :clapping....Chris pelchen :lol ask dermie what he thinks of him :shh
Who cares he oversaw the build of the Hawthorn list to its 2008 flag. If he and Dermie had a falling out so be it. A lot of ppl working professionally do. His credentials for the job are being discussed here not his character. Fact is he built the Hawthorn list, so much for the clowns building our house on sand.
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Think the same as the coach.
Be bold. Target the benchmark.
Wells or whoever is best. Money talks
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Derm also said a list manager should be hated bc he carries the responsibility of making dispassionate decisions that may seem harsh and heartless but are ultimately for the greater good. Do we have one of those?
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He back doored Scott watters , derms mate
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He back doored Scott watters , derms mate
Yep he did, reckon waters was treated terribly imo, rep tarnished but bloke knows football.
But just speaking purely from a list manager perspective, and not saying whether pelchen is the bet or not, but the way he goes abt it is what a list manager needs to do. No sentiment.
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GR had no sentiment either and I bet there were a few around the RFC who loathed him too.
At the end of the day its results that count not the character of the footy ops.
I reckon the Saints are better off with Richo even though I agree with TM that Watters was treated awfully.
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GR had no sentiment either and I bet there were a few around the RFC who loathed him too.
At the end of the day its results that count not the character of the footy ops.
I reckon the Saints are better off with Richo even though I agree with TM that Watters was treated awfully.
Just as freo are better off with Lyon.
As much of a good bloke Harvey is and a decent coach.
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He back doored Scott watters , derms mate
Yep he did, reckon waters was treated terribly imo, rep tarnished but bloke knows football.
But just speaking purely from a list manager perspective, and not saying whether pelchen is the bet or not, but the way he goes abt it is what a list manager needs to do. No sentiment.
The club as a whole is way too sentimental & emotional. They can't think straight.
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Can someone describe the difference between a Recruiting Manager and List Manager?
How can a recruiting manager successfully do his job without being in control of where the playing list is at?
How can a list manager successfully build / manage a list without being in control of who is recruited?
Makes no sense to me.
Massive difference
At Richmond Hartley as list manager is responsible for rating our list as well as then rating other clubs list and monitoring the contract status of all players throughout the comp. As part of rating our list he is supposed to identify gaps n our list and make recommendations as to what we needs to fill the gaps. Filling on the gaps includes working out what we need with regard to the draft, trading and free agency.
The recruiting manager is responsible for looking for the best talent available at the draft that meets the criteria of what the list needs as specified by the list manager
In its simplest form the list manager says what we need and the recruiting manager is charged with finding it to draft. However the list manager has the greater influence because they have the final say on trades and free agents. The recruiting manager has no say in who the club trades for or who they sign under free agency
At the RFC Both sit on the list management committee but reckon it is fair to assume Hartley has far more say than Jackson. His new job title clearly shows that ;D
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Whats his job title now ?
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Whats his job title now ?
General Manager of Player Personnel & List Management
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Whats his job title now ?
General Manager of Player Personnel & List Management
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... :lol
They're a bunch of Knobs at Richmond. They really are. No wonder we're stuffed.
Maybe they can employ me and I can be the General Manager for taking the Piddle out of them ;D
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Whats his job title now ?
General Manager of Player Personnel & List Management
Does he get an extra paycheck with the extra title?
It's like Idi Amin's regime.
If so is that where my FTF dollars are going?
What a scam. :help
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if we had a decent review system id say both would be on thin ice. alas when those in the inner circle look at each other nothing is gioing to change. oh for some decent processes.
i know ive had debates about this before but we need at the least an independent body come in and go thru the whole footy dept with a fine tooth comb.
how can a club defend a recruiting manager who has found just one good player after the 1st round in the nd in 9yrs of trying.
how can the club defend the same bloke when not one junior rookie pick in 9 yrs has made it. ffs thats his job its probably the most important job at any footy club and we settle for mediocrity.
as for blair hartley im with wp. hes put on some sort of pedestal by the club and a lot of supporters but his record is actually poor. his handling of list even poorer and contracts even worse.
think about it. footy clubs live and die on the back of two things recruiting and list management. those two things are followed closely by development.
ive been going on about these things non stop since 2001 and unfortunately i havent been able to move on because we are almost as bad now as we were then.
why is they get a few things right and sit back on their hands thinking the jobs done. they are amateurs.
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Can someone describe the difference between a Recruiting Manager and List Manager?
How can a recruiting manager successfully do his job without being in control of where the playing list is at?
How can a list manager successfully build / manage a list without being in control of who is recruited?
Makes no sense to me.
Massive difference
At Richmond Hartley as list manager is responsible for rating our list as well as then rating other clubs list and monitoring the contract status of all players throughout the comp. As part of rating our list he is supposed to identify gaps n our list and make recommendations as to what we needs to fill the gaps. Filling on the gaps includes working out what we need with regard to the draft, trading and free agency.
The recruiting manager is responsible for looking for the best talent available at the draft that meets the criteria of what the list needs as specified by the list manager
In its simplest form the list manager says what we need and the recruiting manager is charged with finding it to draft. However the list manager has the greater influence because they have the final say on trades and free agents. The recruiting manager has no say in who the club trades for or who they sign under free agency
At the RFC Both sit on the list management committee but reckon it is fair to assume Hartley has far more say than Jackson. His new job title clearly shows that ;D
I guess that highlights my main concern.
Who ultimately is responsible for recruiting X over Y?
Where is the line between Hartley requesting a KPF and we draft Ben Griffiths over Nat Fyfe midfielder who is best available player. FJ did his job and correctly recruited the next best forward (up for debate) but the club cops ridicule for missing out on Nat Fyfe who is clearly the better player.
Who is accountable for that decision? Hartley for prioritising a KPF or FJ for recruiting someone outside of next best available.
It invites spin, excuses and shifting blame so that not 1 person is accountable for building a premiership list.
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Whats his job title now ?
General Manager of Player Personnel & List Management
Ridiculous club we are.
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Can someone describe the difference between a Recruiting Manager and List Manager?
How can a recruiting manager successfully do his job without being in control of where the playing list is at?
How can a list manager successfully build / manage a list without being in control of who is recruited?
Makes no sense to me.
Massive difference
At Richmond Hartley as list manager is responsible for rating our list as well as then rating other clubs list and monitoring the contract status of all players throughout the comp. As part of rating our list he is supposed to identify gaps n our list and make recommendations as to what we needs to fill the gaps. Filling on the gaps includes working out what we need with regard to the draft, trading and free agency.
The recruiting manager is responsible for looking for the best talent available at the draft that meets the criteria of what the list needs as specified by the list manager
In its simplest form the list manager says what we need and the recruiting manager is charged with finding it to draft. However the list manager has the greater influence because they have the final say on trades and free agents. The recruiting manager has no say in who the club trades for or who they sign under free agency
At the RFC Both sit on the list management committee but reckon it is fair to assume Hartley has far more say than Jackson. His new job title clearly shows that ;D
I guess that highlights my main concern.
Who ultimately is responsible for recruiting X over Y?
Where is the line between Hartley requesting a KPF and we draft Ben Griffiths over Nat Fyfe midfielder who is best available player. FJ did his job and correctly recruited the next best forward (up for debate) but the club cops ridicule for missing out on Nat Fyfe who is clearly the better player.
Who is accountable for that decision? Hartley for prioritising a KPF or FJ for recruiting someone outside of next best available.
It invites spin, excuses and shifting blame so that not 1 person is accountable for building a premiership list.
i can categorically say i was against taking griffiths, i was one of few att. his injury history ffs he missed 18months basically two seasons before drafting him and then another season after. and just the way he played it was really like , how to put it, a big kid beating up on small kids and he didnt do a lot in the areas for a bloke his size that were important apart from the odd glimpse.
he should never have been taken at pick 19.
that yr i liked bastinac but i also knew talls were important i argued long and hard that if we take a tall at 19 we take carlisle or aaron black.mate im just a mug amateur yet it was pretty clear what should have been done. why cant the club get the basics right.there were tall options and there were mid field options yet the option we took was probably the most risky and on exposed form the wrong one. do they have proper processes even now.
eff i hate this freakin club at times.
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I badly wanted Carlisle ahead of Black.....didn't want Griffiths at all, knew we'd be taking a tall with that pick so wasn't even thinking about any of the mids.
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I guess that highlights my main concern.
Who ultimately is responsible for recruiting X over Y?
Where is the line between Hartley requesting a KPF and we draft Ben Griffiths over Nat Fyfe midfielder who is best available player. FJ did his job and correctly recruited the next best forward (up for debate) but the club cops ridicule for missing out on Nat Fyfe who is clearly the better player.
Who is accountable for that decision? Hartley for prioritising a KPF or FJ for recruiting someone outside of next best available.
It invites spin, excuses and shifting blame so that not 1 person is accountable for building a premiership list.
Ultimately, the buck actually stops with the GM of footy as he is head of the entire dept ;D
But I see your point
I have my view on who has the responsibility or the most say but most disagree with me ;D
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Whats his job title now ?
General Manager of Player Personnel & List Management
Thought his job title was " coaches best mate "
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So all in all it appears that our list and list management is not up to snuff. Easy. get it fixed NOW ready for our next coach.
peggy / benny, get this done if we have a crap list then the rest is pointless.
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So all in all it appears that our list and list management is not up to snuff. Easy. get it fixed NOW ready for our next coach.
peggy / benny, get this done if we have a crap list then the rest is pointless.
yep
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if we had a decent review system id say both would be on thin ice. alas when those in the inner circle look at each other nothing is gioing to change. oh for some decent processes.
i know ive had debates about this before but we need at the least an independent body come in and go thru the whole footy dept with a fine tooth comb.
how can a club defend a recruiting manager who has found just one good player after the 1st round in the nd in 9yrs of trying.
how can the club defend the same bloke when not one junior rookie pick in 9 yrs has made it. ffs thats his job its probably the most important job at any footy club and we settle for mediocrity.
as for blair hartley im with wp. hes put on some sort of pedestal by the club and a lot of supporters but his record is actually poor. his handling of list even poorer and contracts even worse.
think about it. footy clubs live and die on the back of two things recruiting and list management. those two things are followed closely by development.
ive been going on about these things non stop since 2001 and unfortunately i havent been able to move on because we are almost as bad now as we were then.
why is they get a few things right and sit back on their hands thinking the jobs done. they are amateurs.
Couldnt have said it better. How can you sack the coach and not have these duds follow him out the door. The level of failure Richmond has achieved requires a team effort. No individual can do this much damage on their own.
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The list manager is the one who should be under the most pressure right now. Hartley should be called to account.
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The list manager is the one who should be under the most pressure right now. Hartley should be called to account.
IMO Hartley has done a pretty good job. Not perfect but pretty good.
He targeted realist targets that would at least make us competitive while GC and GWS were been given everything....Some seem to forget last year winning 15 games.
The reason he had to do this is because our list was so pathetic DUE TO DRAFTING INCOMPIDENCE, long before Hartley was on board.
The same players that he recruited served a purpose but I'm pretty sure he new they needed to be upgraded on by way of the draft. Que. FJ
FJ record speaks for itself- he is a massive failure...no one can debate that surely. (Most even think Ellis is no good now, and Conca is struggling too)
And guess what, we are in the same position we were 4,5,6, 7 years ago.
This club is a disgrace if they don't sack this looser (FJ) at years end.
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I went to sandy pub to watch the game Sunday, made me embarrassed to be an RFC supporter, thete are si many c0ck heads out there. One thing that gives me heart is positive responses to this post. Build yor foundation on a ROCK, build the team, and they will come
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if we had a decent review system id say both would be on thin ice. alas when those in the inner circle look at each other nothing is gioing to change. oh for some decent processes.
i know ive had debates about this before but we need at the least an independent body come in and go thru the whole footy dept with a fine tooth comb.
how can a club defend a recruiting manager who has found just one good player after the 1st round in the nd in 9yrs of trying.
how can the club defend the same bloke when not one junior rookie pick in 9 yrs has made it. ffs thats his job its probably the most important job at any footy club and we settle for mediocrity.
as for blair hartley im with wp. hes put on some sort of pedestal by the club and a lot of supporters but his record is actually poor. his handling of list even poorer and contracts even worse.
think about it. footy clubs live and die on the back of two things recruiting and list management. those two things are followed closely by development.
ive been going on about these things non stop since 2001 and unfortunately i havent been able to move on because we are almost as bad now as we were then.
why is they get a few things right and sit back on their hands thinking the jobs done. they are amateurs.
Couldnt have said it better. How can you sack the coach and not have these duds follow him out the door. The level of failure Richmond has achieved requires a team effort. No individual can do this much damage on their own.
Absolute rubbish! They have a constant review process. I've seen some of it. You don't know anything about what happens on the inside. You make it up as you go.
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if we had a decent review system id say both would be on thin ice. alas when those in the inner circle look at each other nothing is gioing to change. oh for some decent processes.
i know ive had debates about this before but we need at the least an independent body come in and go thru the whole footy dept with a fine tooth comb.
how can a club defend a recruiting manager who has found just one good player after the 1st round in the nd in 9yrs of trying.
how can the club defend the same bloke when not one junior rookie pick in 9 yrs has made it. ffs thats his job its probably the most important job at any footy club and we settle for mediocrity.
as for blair hartley im with wp. hes put on some sort of pedestal by the club and a lot of supporters but his record is actually poor. his handling of list even poorer and contracts even worse.
think about it. footy clubs live and die on the back of two things recruiting and list management. those two things are followed closely by development.
ive been going on about these things non stop since 2001 and unfortunately i havent been able to move on because we are almost as bad now as we were then.
why is they get a few things right and sit back on their hands thinking the jobs done. they are amateurs.
Couldnt have said it better. How can you sack the coach and not have these duds follow him out the door. The level of failure Richmond has achieved requires a team effort. No individual can do this much damage on their own.
Absolute rubbish! They have a constant review process. I've seen some of it. You don't know anything about what happens on the inside. You make it up as you go.
if they have a review process which i dont doubt they have, it is a pee poor one. chums passing judgement on chums doesnt work and the proof is in the pudding.