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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 20, 2014, 11:32:12 PM
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Hardwick's post-match press conference ....
* Cause of the loss? Sydney's intensity in the 3rd qtr. They had 15 inside 50s to none as one stage. They got two goals which brought the game back into their domain. Lots of pressure and a lot of rolling mauls which is how they play.
* We did a lot right but not on the scoreboard where it matters.
* I thought we stood up for most of the game but just didn't get the job done when it mattered.
* Dropped mark on the goal line and keeping the ball in on the boundary line which lead to a Buddy goal. These are the silly mistakes which we are making and that we need to cut out of our game.
* Umps took a long time to blow the whistle. Just ball it up! Umps are asked to wait and wait and When they finally do ball it up, they do it quickly which doesn't give time for players to move out. The umps have a very hard job under the way they are instructed to umpire.
* Dimma praised Dusty's game.
* We are a better side than 3-10 but the fact is we are 3-10. We're well short of where we need to be. We aren't giving up on the season and we owe it to our members and supporters to play to win and gain back their respect.
* Crowd of 34k was indicative of us being 3-10.
* Low score/inside 50s to possessions? Credit to Sydney but we need another dominant forward. Vickery is back next week while we lost Griffiths for 3 weeks. Jack did well early but we didn't get much from Edwards or Hampson. Our delivery inside 50 wasn't that good either.
* Miles has been very good. Puts his head where it needs to be. Has really impressive me and the AFL in general.
* Hampson's ankle is fine. We got through the game injury free which is a nice change.
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Also heard - we owe it to the fans to win games of football - so forget about deledio, Morris being rested to get better and forget about him giving games to Ohanlon, Arnott, Helbig
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you owe it to the fans to think about the future....and blood the kids...not play the likes of A. Edwards, Newman etc.
at most of the season, we don't care that much about winning games...
fool
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deluded
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Useless words.
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oh look....
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you owe it to the fans to think about the future....and blood the kids...not play the likes of A. Edwards, Newman etc.
at most of the season, we don't care that much about winning games...
fool
We'd probably win with the kids. The senior blokes are poo
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Don't go green go brown. Dimma's mouth has and the stench is aboninable. :help
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No balls Harddick doesn't bag the umpires
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* Low score/inside 50s to possessions? Credit to Sydney but we need another dominant forward. Vickery is back next week while we lost Griffiths for 3 weeks. Jack did well early but we didn't get much from Edwards or Hampson. Our delivery inside 50 wasn't that good either.
Didn't he drop Griffiths not lose him for 3 weeks? ::)
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propaganda
lost his spot to hardwick mates: chaplin hampson aedwards
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Same dribble as last week....... :santa
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* Cause of the loss? Sydney's intensity in the 3rd qtr. They had 15 inside 50s to none as one stage. They got two goals which brought the game back into their domain. Lots of pressure and a lot of rolling mauls which is how they play.
That's more the cause of Sydney winning.
No accountability for poo performances.
TBH, I'm happy we lost.
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Didn't he drop Griffiths not lose him for 3 weeks? ::)
Yeh and tonites presser was the first sign to me that Dimma might be broken ? He seemed rattled and bereft of any ideas. That rubbish about missing our key forwards Vickery and Griffiths ( I think he mentioned Hampson too ) and most of everything else he said is indicative of where his mindset is. That was his least impressive media performance since he's been at Richmond
I feel like we're rudderless.
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Lots of pressure and a lot of rolling mauls which is how they play.
I reckon the umps caused the rolling mauls. They were terrible last night
TBH, I'm happy we lost.
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Seriously mate ? What is that crap ?
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It's disgust.
Try it.
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Lots of pressure and a lot of rolling mauls which is how they play.
I reckon the umps caused the rolling mauls. They were terrible last night
TBH, I'm happy we lost.
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Seriously mate ? What is that crap ?
A better way of putting it :
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Hardwick's promise: Tigers won't play dead
Adam McNicol
afl.com.au
June 21, 2014
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick has pledged to keep fielding his strongest possible team during the remainder of the season, as the club deals with a dramatic fall in its attendances as it has slid down the ladder.
Six days after a crowd of just 22,074 saw the Tigers go down to Fremantle at the MCG, only 34,633 turned up at the same venue to see their scrappy 11-point loss to the Sydney Swans on Friday night.
The latter figure was particularly disappointing for two key reasons: the match was played in the key Friday night slot, and Richmond would likely have budgeted for a significantly larger crowd prior to the start of the season.
After playing finals last year, Richmond is mired in 15th place on the ladder with just three wins, and is 1-7 in its past eight games, its sole victory in that period a 113-point win over Greater Western Sydney.
"At the end of the day, if you put in a 3-10 season you're not going to get crowds," Hardwick said after the loss to the Swans, which came after the Tigers were 26 points up midway though the second quarter.
"We've got to make sure we start winning some games to get people back.
"We like to think we play an exciting brand of footy. Tonight was probably a war of attrition more so than anything else, but we've got to make sure we do ourselves a favour and win some games."
Although Richmond is out of finals calculations, Hardwick won't be blooding youngsters for the sake of it, nor will he be sending players off for season-ending surgery just so they can be fit for summer training.
"We'll still be out to win games," he said. "We're a better side than 3-10. The record would say otherwise, but we're playing some footy at the moment that's going to knock some sides off.
"So we'll just get the best sides to play. We won't be packing up anyone.
"We'll just continue to try and win footy games, because we owe it to our supporters, we owe it to our members, to make sure we keep going.
"Because we're well short of where we need to be, and we want to make sure we earn the respect back of that group."
One of the positives to come out of the defeat at the hands of the Swans was the performance of midfielder Dustin Martin, who gathered a game-high and career-high 36 disposals.
"I think he's probably been close to our best player for the majority of the year," Hardwick said.
"He's still got some areas of his game we'd like to improve, but he's only going to get better."
Another player worthy of a pat on the back from the coach was key defender Alex Rance, who had a tremendous duel with Lance Franklin.
The Swans star finished with four goals in what proved to be a match-winning performance, yet Hardwick could not fault the effort of his man.
"I thought Rance won that battle," he said. "It was an outstanding contest. A really good one-on-one contest. I though Alex battled manfully."
Hardwick was also delighted with the contribution made by inexperienced onballer Anthony Miles, who finished with 28 disposals and two goals in his third game for the Tigers.
"He's been very good," Hardwick said. "He wins the ball, he uses it well. He just puts his head where it needs to be.
"That sort of game suits him to a tee, and to finish off with two goals is a special effort.
"He's really impressed me, and I think he's impressed the AFL world in general."
One of Richmond's key problems in recent weeks has been its forward line.
Against the Swans, Hardwick's side had six goals on the board by the 17-minute mark of the second quarter, but the Tigers kicked just one more major for the remainder of the game.
"We're probably lacking that key forward at the moment that can take a big mark," Hardwick said. "Funnily enough, there's not many of those around at the moment.
"Jack (Riewoldt) was really dominant early. Probably faded out of the game. Aaron Edwards was a little bit the same and Shaun Hampson was probably a little bit the same.
"Our delivery inside 50 wasn't probably ideal from that point of view.
"Ty Vickery's back from suspension next week. Ben Griffiths we've lost for three with a hip flexor, so we've got some guys we think are capable of improving. They're just going to take some time."
Hampson looked to have rolled his right ankle during the third quarter, but Hardwick was adamant that the injury was not serious.
"He just got it retaped. He was fine. I think we got through injury-free for a change, which was good."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-21/tigers-wont-play-dead
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick says umpires must throw the ball up quicker to reduce congestion
Glenn McFarlane
Herald-Sun
June 21, 2014
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick has called on the AFL to instruct umpires to make faster ball-ups around the ground to stop the rolling mauls so prevalent in football this season.
Speaking immediately after the Tigers’ 11-point loss to Sydney last night, Hardwick admitted to frustration with the way the umpires have put their whistles away in so many congested stoppage situations.
“It was tough, but they (the umpires) have just got to ball the ball up quicker,” Hardwick said. “At the end of the day, you can keep letting the ball go along ... just ball it up.
“I feel we bring the congestion upon ourselves. If we ball the ball up straight away, when two or three players go to ground, sides will reset.
“What happens is we hold our whistle and players at both ends then come in and they throw it up straight away. So players don’t get an opportunity to go back.
“There is a simple solution. It is very hard to umpire at the moment under the instructions that they are given.”
Hardwick said the Tigers would continue to chase wins more than planning for the future, desperate to improve the 3-10 ledger that has them in the bottom quarter of the ladder.
“We will still be out to win games,” he said. “We are a better side than three (wins) and 10 (losses), (but) the record will say otherwise.
“But we are playing some footy at the moment that is going to knock some sides off. We won’t be packing anyone up, we will be continuing to try and win games because we owe it to our supporters and our members.”
He acknowledged the disappointing crowd of 34,633 for a Friday night clash with one of the premiership fancies could be put down to the Tigers’ frustrating season.
Yet Hardwick was encouraged by the Tigers’ performance against the Swans, returning to a more instinctive, possession-type brand that saw them lead for much of the night.
It was only four goals to Lance Franklin - including the only two of the final term - that helped Sydney overcome Richmond, despite a great duel the star forward had with Alex Rance.
Hardwick said: “I thought he (Rance) won the battle. I know Buddy kicked goals ... I thought it was an outstanding contest and I thought Alex battled manfully.”
He lamented some of the silly mistakes that some of his players made under pressure, and also a couple of umpiring decisions that did not go his team’s way.
Dustin Martin won his coach’s praise for his work across four quarters, with Hardwick saying he was one of Richmond’s best performers all season.
But the coach was frustrated with the delivery of the ball inside 50m and for failing to make the most of their chances when the ball was in there.
The Tigers tackle last-placed St Kilda at Etihad Stadium on Saturday.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-says-umpires-must-throw-the-ball-up-quicker-to-reduce-congestion/story-fndv8t7m-1226961956906
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Lots of pressure and a lot of rolling mauls which is how they play.
I reckon the umps caused the rolling mauls. They were terrible last night
TBH, I'm happy we lost.
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Seriously mate ? What is that crap ?
The time that it was posted should answer that.
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No balls Harddick doesn't bag the umpires
Clearly no balls. he should have bagged the umpires. They are clearly destroying the game
If RFC dont make a official complaint about the umpiring they aint serious about winning & that alone will keep supporters like me away from the game.
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hardwick reckons we play an exciting brand of footy :lol
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Richmond coach Damien Hardwick says umpires must throw the ball up quicker to reduce congestion
Glenn McFarlane
Herald-Sun
June 21, 2014
RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick has called on the AFL to instruct umpires to make faster ball-ups around the ground to stop the rolling mauls so prevalent in football this season.
Speaking immediately after the Tigers’ 11-point loss to Sydney last night, Hardwick admitted to frustration with the way the umpires have put their whistles away in so many congested stoppage situations.
“It was tough, but they (the umpires) have just got to ball the ball up quicker,” Hardwick said. “At the end of the day, you can keep letting the ball go along ... just ball it up.
“I feel we bring the congestion upon ourselves. If we ball the ball up straight away, when two or three players go to ground, sides will reset.
“What happens is we hold our whistle and players at both ends then come in and they throw it up straight away. So players don’t get an opportunity to go back.
“There is a simple solution. It is very hard to umpire at the moment under the instructions that they are given.”
Hardwick said the Tigers would continue to chase wins more than planning for the future, desperate to improve the 3-10 ledger that has them in the bottom quarter of the ladder.
“We will still be out to win games,” he said. “We are a better side than three (wins) and 10 (losses), (but) the record will say otherwise.
“But we are playing some footy at the moment that is going to knock some sides off. We won’t be packing anyone up, we will be continuing to try and win games because we owe it to our supporters and our members.”
He acknowledged the disappointing crowd of 34,633 for a Friday night clash with one of the premiership fancies could be put down to the Tigers’ frustrating season.
Yet Hardwick was encouraged by the Tigers’ performance against the Swans, returning to a more instinctive, possession-type brand that saw them lead for much of the night.
It was only four goals to Lance Franklin - including the only two of the final term - that helped Sydney overcome Richmond, despite a great duel the star forward had with Alex Rance.
Hardwick said: “I thought he (Rance) won the battle. I know Buddy kicked goals ... I thought it was an outstanding contest and I thought Alex battled manfully.”
He lamented some of the silly mistakes that some of his players made under pressure, and also a couple of umpiring decisions that did not go his team’s way.
Dustin Martin won his coach’s praise for his work across four quarters, with Hardwick saying he was one of Richmond’s best performers all season.
But the coach was frustrated with the delivery of the ball inside 50m and for failing to make the most of their chances when the ball was in there.
The Tigers tackle last-placed St Kilda at Etihad Stadium on Saturday.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-coach-damien-hardwick-says-umpires-must-throw-the-ball-up-quicker-to-reduce-congestion/story-fndv8t7m-1226961956906
Haha, so he says they should throw it up but says nothing about the free ride Sydney got all night ?
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I think its now up to the younger players to step it up at VFL level so the selection decision is easy for Hardwick. I'm sure he would play the likes of Helbig, McIntosh, McBean, O'Hanlon etc if they even played with half the intensity and fight Miles did first the first half of the season. None of them are setting the world on fire and an undeserved game here or there at AFL level would only hinder there progress rather than accelerating it.
Dimma hasn't reall got a chose but to play the more established players atm because our depth is rubbish at present. How Hampson is getting a game is beyond me and Thomas is isn't the answer imo - can't spread or kick :(
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I think its now up to the younger players to step it up at VFL level so the selection decision is easy for Hardwick. I'm sure he would play the likes of Helbig, McIntosh, McBean, O'Hanlon etc if they even played with half the intensity and fight Miles did first the first half of the season. None of them are setting the world on fire and an undeserved game here or there at AFL level would only hinder there progress rather than accelerating it.
Dimma hasn't reall got a chose but to play the more established players atm because our depth is rubbish at present. How Hampson is getting a game is beyond me and Thomas is isn't the answer imo - can't spread or kick :(
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I think its now up to the younger players to step it up at VFL level so the selection decision is easy for Hardwick. I'm sure he would play the likes of Helbig, McIntosh, McBean, O'Hanlon etc if they even played with half the intensity and fight Miles did first the first half of the season. None of them are setting the world on fire and an undeserved game here or there at AFL level would only hinder there progress rather than accelerating it.
Dimma hasn't reall got a chose but to play the more established players atm because our depth is rubbish at present. How Hampson is getting a game is beyond me and Thomas is isn't the answer imo - can't spread or kick :(
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"At the end of the day, if you put in a 3-10 season you're not going to get crowds," Hardwick said after the loss to the Swans, which came after the Tigers were 26 points up midway though the second quarter.
"We've got to make sure we start winning some games to get people back.
"We like to think we play an exciting brand of footy. Tonight was probably a war of attrition more so than anything else, but we've got to make sure we do ourselves a favour and win some games."
Imbecile.
Spud is back.
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"At the end of the day, if you put in a 3-10 season you're not going to get crowds," Hardwick said after the loss to the Swans, which came after the Tigers were 26 points up midway though the second quarter.
"We've got to make sure we start winning some games to get people back.
"We like to think we play an exciting brand of footy. Tonight was probably a war of attrition more so than anything else, but we've got to make sure we do ourselves a favour and win some games."
Imbecile.
Spud is back.
He's going to take the one positive out of a dud season and ruin that also. FHO!
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I think its now up to the younger players to step it up at VFL level so the selection decision is easy for Hardwick.
The selection decision was easy on Hardwick for Miles since round 1. How long did we have to wait. Thomas ahead of him. Hardwick is dumb. Easy is just too kind.
Stripes, what you should be looking at is how terrible Edwards and co have been. They are soo easy to drop and yet every week they bob up again like ground hog day and get contract extensions. Arnot has been great all year. Would be great alongside Miles. Its not a hard decision between Edwards and Arnot. Or Thomas and Arnot. Or Pettard and Arnot. List goes on. No point making excuses for Hardwick.
Exciting brand of footy. Supporters want him to play the failed duds that got us 3 - 10 for the rest of the year. Vickery will save us. Hardwick is taking the pee out of us supporters.
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I think its now up to the younger players to step it up at VFL level so the selection decision is easy for Hardwick.
The selection decision was easy on Hardwick for Miles since round 1. How long did we have to wait. Thomas ahead of him. Hardwick is dumb. Easy is just too kind.
Stripes, what you should be looking at is how terrible Edwards and co have been. They are soo easy to drop and yet every week they bob up again like ground hog day and get contract extensions. Arnot has been great all year. Would be great alongside Miles. Its not a hard decision between Edwards and Arnot. Or Thomas and Arnot. Or Pettard and Arnot. List goes on. No point making excuses for Hardwick.
Exciting brand of footy. Supporters want him to play the failed duds that got us 3 - 10 for the rest of the year. Vickery will save us. Hardwick is taking the pee out of us supporters.
I question his judgement - he is genuinely surprised at how well Miles has adapted. Obviosuly didn't rate him
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I question Dimma on many things,but not on arnot.....just doesn't deliver whether seniors or ressies.....He has all the tools to be a very good player
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hardwick reckons we play an exciting brand of footy :lol
If anyone was unsure whether our coach was deluded, I'm sure they are now.
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its an exciting brand for the opposition....
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lmao Gigantus..
In Dimmers defence, he does say, "LIKE to THINK..."
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Funnily enough, I can't imagine anyone could balls up a football team as quickly as Dimma so perhaps he's an expert on this topic.
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Can Dimmas post match interviews attract a strike under the baiting rule?
He sure goes fishing a lot
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He's got no answers. Always scratching his head
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He's now blaming the umpires. :facepalm
.....And we have to watch rubbish games like last night. :banghead
P. S. Don't forget we are a better team than last year. :rollin
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I think its now up to the younger players to step it up at VFL level so the selection decision is easy for Hardwick. I'm sure he would play the likes of Helbig, McIntosh, McBean, O'Hanlon etc if they even played with half the intensity and fight Miles did first the first half of the season. None of them are setting the world on fire and an undeserved game here or there at AFL level would only hinder there progress rather than accelerating it.
Dimma hasn't reall got a chose but to play the more established players atm because our depth is rubbish at present. How Hampson is getting a game is beyond me and Thomas is isn't the answer imo - can't spread or kick :(
The "selection decision" has been easy for weeks if not the entire season but Hardwick has refused to drop those that are clearly favourites. How many examples do you need?
How many contests does Ellis have to pull out of before he is made accountable and the message sent that it is unacceptable.
How many times did Grigg have to refuse the chase before he got dropped? Actually the only reason Grigg isn't playing is because of injury.
Hampson cannot mark or kick, his tap work has regressed since the start of the season but he continues to get games. Won't even bother discussing Vickery.
S Edwards whatever you think of him is horribly out of form and has been all season but continues to get games
Newman misses 6 weeks and instead of coming back via the VFL gets bought straight back in.
Let's not even bother talking about Morris who cannot get through a game without his shoulder popping at least once. What's the point?
Want me to go on?
Seriously what message does it send to the kids busting a gut, doing everything asked of them in the VFL
I ask you what more do you the kids need to do?
Helbig has been named in the best for the last 6 count 'em 6 weeks. Ditto O'Hanlon. What do they have to do? Please don't tell me they don't play with intensity. VFL Coach Tim Clarke spoke pre-match last night and highlighted how close Helbig, O'Hanlon, Darrou are and the aggression they play with.
As I said what more do they need to do? They deserve a chance but are unlikely to get one because Hardwick won't pull the trigger on certain players who let the club down week after week after week
The "selection decision" is as unplugged said actually easy; very easy sadly or more to the point our coach can't see it or refuses to act on it
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Softwick doesn't watch nor care for the reserves. Comments like "we're already playing our best players" and "there isn't much coming through" says it all....picking them then dropping them, playing them in the wrong position eg Arnot at half-forward, subbing them off, singling them out for criticism, the kids are being set up to take the fall & be delisted, because incompetent list management has painted us into a corner forcing us to hang on to contracted duds and they have to cover their arse & prepare everybody by talking the kids down.
Plus we have take care of our priorities, like giving Newman another year. Wouldn't be surprised if King gets another one as well. Richmond the soft sentimental, over-emotional club that can't let go.
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Ahh the kids in the number 1 jumpers would be crying and what about all the kiddies with 28 on their back no no n we can't disappoint them.
But hey we'll delist some kids that might be good for us instead or on trade them in a 3 way deal so we can get the equivalent of Billy Nicholls, Simon Fletcher and the coup of all coups Ben Marsh because we need another ruckman and we'll be right.
The Skata Cycle. 32 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop. ®©™
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Fixed to reflect another meaningful contribution from Chuck17uselesspostsaday, the Shaun Grigg of OER.
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Maybe he is Shaun? Lol
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I am you have got me guys
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I think its now up to the younger players to step it up at VFL level so the selection decision is easy for Hardwick. I'm sure he would play the likes of Helbig, McIntosh, McBean, O'Hanlon etc if they even played with half the intensity and fight Miles did first the first half of the season. None of them are setting the world on fire and an undeserved game here or there at AFL level would only hinder there progress rather than accelerating it.
Dimma hasn't reall got a chose but to play the more established players atm because our depth is rubbish at present. How Hampson is getting a game is beyond me and Thomas is isn't the answer imo - can't spread or kick :(
The "selection decision" has been easy for weeks if not the entire season but Hardwick has refused to drop those that are clearly favourites. How many examples do you need?
How many contests does Ellis have to pull out of before he is made accountable and the message sent that it is unacceptable.
How many times did Grigg have to refuse the chase before he got dropped? Actually the only reason Grigg isn't playing is because of injury.
Hampson cannot mark or kick, his tap work has regressed since the start of the season but he continues to get games. Won't even bother discussing Vickery.
S Edwards whatever you think of him is horribly out of form and has been all season but continues to get games
Newman misses 6 weeks and instead of coming back via the VFL gets bought straight back in.
Let's not even bother talking about Morris who cannot get through a game without his shoulder popping at least once. What's the point?
Want me to go on?
Seriously what message does it send to the kids busting a gut, doing everything asked of them in the VFL
I ask you what more do you the kids need to do?
Helbig has been named in the best for the last 6 count 'em 6 weeks. Ditto O'Hanlon. What do they have to do? Please don't tell me they don't play with intensity. VFL Coach Tim Clarke spoke pre-match last night and highlighted how close Helbig, O'Hanlon, Darrou are and the aggression they play with.
As I said what more do they need to do? They deserve a chance but are unlikely to get one because Hardwick won't pull the trigger on certain players who let the club down week after week after week
The "selection decision" is as unplugged said actually easy; very easy sadly or more to the point our coach can't see it or refuses to act on it
:clapping :clapping :clapping brilliant post
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Fixed to reflect another meaningful contribution from Chuck17uselesspostsaday, the Shaun Grigg of OER.
Actually I'm going to use that
Good work
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I'm pretty sure that what is flowing out of Hardwicks gob at these post game presses is to convince/reassure himself as much as, if not more than, anybody else
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I think its now up to the younger players to step it up at VFL level so the selection decision is easy for Hardwick. I'm sure he would play the likes of Helbig, McIntosh, McBean, O'Hanlon etc if they even played with half the intensity and fight Miles did first the first half of the season. None of them are setting the world on fire and an undeserved game here or there at AFL level would only hinder there progress rather than accelerating it.
Dimma hasn't reall got a chose but to play the more established players atm because our depth is rubbish at present. How Hampson is getting a game is beyond me and Thomas is isn't the answer imo - can't spread or kick :(
The "selection decision" has been easy for weeks if not the entire season but Hardwick has refused to drop those that are clearly favourites. How many examples do you need?
How many contests does Ellis have to pull out of before he is made accountable and the message sent that it is unacceptable.
How many times did Grigg have to refuse the chase before he got dropped? Actually the only reason Grigg isn't playing is because of injury.
Hampson cannot mark or kick, his tap work has regressed since the start of the season but he continues to get games. Won't even bother discussing Vickery.
S Edwards whatever you think of him is horribly out of form and has been all season but continues to get games
Newman misses 6 weeks and instead of coming back via the VFL gets bought straight back in.
Let's not even bother talking about Morris who cannot get through a game without his shoulder popping at least once. What's the point?
Want me to go on?
Seriously what message does it send to the kids busting a gut, doing everything asked of them in the VFL
I ask you what more do you the kids need to do?
Helbig has been named in the best for the last 6 count 'em 6 weeks. Ditto O'Hanlon. What do they have to do? Please don't tell me they don't play with intensity. VFL Coach Tim Clarke spoke pre-match last night and highlighted how close Helbig, O'Hanlon, Darrou are and the aggression they play with.
As I said what more do they need to do? They deserve a chance but are unlikely to get one because Hardwick won't pull the trigger on certain players who let the club down week after week after week
The "selection decision" is as unplugged said actually easy; very easy sadly or more to the point our coach can't see it or refuses to act on it
Absolutely spot on :clapping
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I think its now up to the younger players to step it up at VFL level so the selection decision is easy for Hardwick. I'm sure he would play the likes of Helbig, McIntosh, McBean, O'Hanlon etc if they even played with half the intensity and fight Miles did first the first half of the season. None of them are setting the world on fire and an undeserved game here or there at AFL level would only hinder there progress rather than accelerating it.
Dimma hasn't reall got a chose but to play the more established players atm because our depth is rubbish at present. How Hampson is getting a game is beyond me and Thomas is isn't the answer imo - can't spread or kick :(
The "selection decision" has been easy for weeks if not the entire season but Hardwick has refused to drop those that are clearly favourites. How many examples do you need?
How many contests does Ellis have to pull out of before he is made accountable and the message sent that it is unacceptable.
How many times did Grigg have to refuse the chase before he got dropped? Actually the only reason Grigg isn't playing is because of injury.
Hampson cannot mark or kick, his tap work has regressed since the start of the season but he continues to get games. Won't even bother discussing Vickery.
S Edwards whatever you think of him is horribly out of form and has been all season but continues to get games
Newman misses 6 weeks and instead of coming back via the VFL gets bought straight back in.
Let's not even bother talking about Morris who cannot get through a game without his shoulder popping at least once. What's the point?
Want me to go on?
Seriously what message does it send to the kids busting a gut, doing everything asked of them in the VFL
I ask you what more do you the kids need to do?
Helbig has been named in the best for the last 6 count 'em 6 weeks. Ditto O'Hanlon. What do they have to do? Please don't tell me they don't play with intensity. VFL Coach Tim Clarke spoke pre-match last night and highlighted how close Helbig, O'Hanlon, Darrou are and the aggression they play with.
As I said what more do they need to do? They deserve a chance but are unlikely to get one because Hardwick won't pull the trigger on certain players who let the club down week after week after week
The "selection decision" is as unplugged said actually easy; very easy sadly or more to the point our coach can't see it or refuses to act on it
Great post WP. Spot on! :clapping
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Reading that post just makes me want to drive down to punt rd and start kickboxing heads off.. Starting with Dimma
These people are stuffing clowns and they are ruining my weekends and life.
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Can Dimmas post match interviews attract a strike under the baiting rule?
He sure goes fishing a lot
:lol
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I think its now up to the younger players to step it up at VFL level so the selection decision is easy for Hardwick. I'm sure he would play the likes of Helbig, McIntosh, McBean, O'Hanlon etc if they even played with half the intensity and fight Miles did first the first half of the season. None of them are setting the world on fire and an undeserved game here or there at AFL level would only hinder there progress rather than accelerating it.
Dimma hasn't reall got a chose but to play the more established players atm because our depth is rubbish at present. How Hampson is getting a game is beyond me and Thomas is isn't the answer imo - can't spread or kick :(
The "selection decision" has been easy for weeks if not the entire season but Hardwick has refused to drop those that are clearly favourites. How many examples do you need?
How many contests does Ellis have to pull out of before he is made accountable and the message sent that it is unacceptable.
How many times did Grigg have to refuse the chase before he got dropped? Actually the only reason Grigg isn't playing is because of injury.
Hampson cannot mark or kick, his tap work has regressed since the start of the season but he continues to get games. Won't even bother discussing Vickery.
S Edwards whatever you think of him is horribly out of form and has been all season but continues to get games
Newman misses 6 weeks and instead of coming back via the VFL gets bought straight back in.
Let's not even bother talking about Morris who cannot get through a game without his shoulder popping at least once. What's the point?
Want me to go on?
Seriously what message does it send to the kids busting a gut, doing everything asked of them in the VFL
I ask you what more do you the kids need to do?
Helbig has been named in the best for the last 6 count 'em 6 weeks. Ditto O'Hanlon. What do they have to do? Please don't tell me they don't play with intensity. VFL Coach Tim Clarke spoke pre-match last night and highlighted how close Helbig, O'Hanlon, Darrou are and the aggression they play with.
As I said what more do they need to do? They deserve a chance but are unlikely to get one because Hardwick won't pull the trigger on certain players who let the club down week after week after week
The "selection decision" is as unplugged said actually easy; very easy sadly or more to the point our coach can't see it or refuses to act on it
I would say the back half of last season it started
Favourites bull shyte
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Snip! Back to the topic ppl.
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Sorry missed your reply. Very impassioned speech there WP! :eyebrow I wish it was as easy as you say but unfortunately I feel it's not.
The "selection decision" has been easy for weeks if not the entire season but Hardwick has refused to drop those that are clearly favourites. How many examples do you need?
I think you are correct that he values some players for the role they play in the team and game plan more than we as supporters do. Players like Ellis, Grigg and Houli are frequently easy targets because they are outside players who don't win their own ball and act as link players. When we are not winning the contested ball these players are our worst performers. When we are winning the inside ball and feeding out to these players, then they can seem our best. Ellis is a prime examples of this comparing him from last year to this year. Now he has lost his confidence and is starting to not do the courageous acts that made him such a fan favourite in 2013. I agree he needs a rest to find his mojo again.
Helbig has been playing well before this week in the backline but would you swap him with Morris, Vlaustin or Houli. I'm not convinced he is a better option than any of them. If Morris has the injury you speak of then I would give Helbig a go but Morris intensity and fight are hard to replicate.
Darrou has been our big bodied VFL stuff so should be swap him for Rance or Chaplin? Darrou may be better one on one than Chaplin but does he read the play as well, have his leadership skills, poise/time when deposing of the ball etc? I'm not convinced.
O'Hanlon is the easiest to bring in for Ellis but he has not been a VFL standout especially going on today's performance. Ellis needs to find his confidence and remember what made him such a rising talent last year.
Seriously what message does it send to the kids busting a gut, doing everything asked of them in the VFL
I ask you what more do you the kids need to do?
More than they did today that's for sure. They are not doing themselves any favours when they perform the way they did. Even the 'in the best' performances have not been up to AFL standard like Miles was able to achieve and Lennon, and McBean in glimpses, did today.
The "selection decision" is as unplugged said actually easy; very easy sadly or more to the point our coach can't see it or refuses to act on it
Sadly it's not easy :'(. After listening today none of the players you mentioned, count 'em none :P, performed at all. They were down right ordinary. If they want a spot they need to play to a high standard consistently. Today is proof that they are not there yet. This is what is causing the difficultly with the 'selection decision'. For all the under performing players we have at AFL standard we have even more at VFL level at present. I have no idea what has happened with our development this year :-\
While the players you mentioned would be dropped if we had ready made replacements we don't have many this is what makes the issue not so cut and dry as you may suggest. :cheers
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Well said Willy Pow-wow.
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I think its now up to the younger players to step it up at VFL level so the selection decision is easy for Hardwick.
The selection decision was easy on Hardwick for Miles since round 1. How long did we have to wait. Thomas ahead of him. Hardwick is dumb. Easy is just too kind.
Stripes, what you should be looking at is how terrible Edwards and co have been. They are soo easy to drop and yet every week they bob up again like ground hog day and get contract extensions. Arnot has been great all year. Would be great alongside Miles. Its not a hard decision between Edwards and Arnot. Or Thomas and Arnot. Or Pettard and Arnot. List goes on. No point making excuses for Hardwick.
Exciting brand of footy. Supporters want him to play the failed duds that got us 3 - 10 for the rest of the year. Vickery will save us. Hardwick is taking the pee out of us supporters.
You make a fair bit of sense here unplugged. I completely agree with you about Miles - how he wasn't brought in from the first game is hard to understand. Obviously Dimma rated Thomas more than Miles. I don't. All I can think of was that he had history with Thomas and perhaps advice given to him which he took rather than rate the players preseason performances on their own merit. Maric's injury was certainly a factor.
I'm a fan of Arnot too but you have to swap like players for like players. Edwards is a crumber - Arnot is not. Arnot should be doing the role Morris is at present - defensive forward but I'm not sure he knows the role and has the legs to fulfill. Who would of thought we would miss a fully fit Kingy so much :shh
I agree with you unplugged but I just don't think it is as easy as getting rid of a player unless you have another performing player who plays the same role ready to take his spot.
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I question his judgement - he is genuinely surprised at how well Miles has adapted. Obviosuly didn't rate him
These are the things I worry about more than anything else. It's like he has a completely different rating criteria than what we have. I would love to know each players role so we could then see if they are achieving it or not and also see if what he expects from his players is making a difference to us getting the points on the board.
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I think its now up to the younger players to step it up at VFL level so the selection decision is easy for Hardwick. I'm sure he would play the likes of Helbig, McIntosh, McBean, O'Hanlon etc if they even played with half the intensity and fight Miles did first the first half of the season. None of them are setting the world on fire and an undeserved game here or there at AFL level would only hinder there progress rather than accelerating it.
Dimma hasn't reall got a chose but to play the more established players atm because our depth is rubbish at present. How Hampson is getting a game is beyond me and Thomas is isn't the answer imo - can't spread or kick :(
The "selection decision" has been easy for weeks if not the entire season but Hardwick has refused to drop those that are clearly favourites. How many examples do you need?
How many contests does Ellis have to pull out of before he is made accountable and the message sent that it is unacceptable.
How many times did Grigg have to refuse the chase before he got dropped? Actually the only reason Grigg isn't playing is because of injury.
Hampson cannot mark or kick, his tap work has regressed since the start of the season but he continues to get games. Won't even bother discussing Vickery.
S Edwards whatever you think of him is horribly out of form and has been all season but continues to get games
Newman misses 6 weeks and instead of coming back via the VFL gets bought straight back in.
Let's not even bother talking about Morris who cannot get through a game without his shoulder popping at least once. What's the point?
Want me to go on?
Seriously what message does it send to the kids busting a gut, doing everything asked of them in the VFL
I ask you what more do you the kids need to do?
Helbig has been named in the best for the last 6 count 'em 6 weeks. Ditto O'Hanlon. What do they have to do? Please don't tell me they don't play with intensity. VFL Coach Tim Clarke spoke pre-match last night and highlighted how close Helbig, O'Hanlon, Darrou are and the aggression they play with.
As I said what more do they need to do? They deserve a chance but are unlikely to get one because Hardwick won't pull the trigger on certain players who let the club down week after week after week
The "selection decision" is as unplugged said actually easy; very easy sadly or more to the point our coach can't see it or refuses to act on it
Correct and analytical as always WP. :cheers :bow :thumbsup :clapping :yep
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Sorry missed your reply. Very impassioned speech there WP! :eyebrow I wish it was as easy as you say but unfortunately I feel it's not.
Sorry Stripes, it is that easy. Has been for weeks now.
Our season has been shot for weeks. And what do we continue to do? We keep playing blokes who as I said continually let us down.
We have kids that are coming out of contract at the end of this season. Some are likely to get de-listed. But how do we know if they are worth persisting with if they don't get the opportunities?
I think you are correct that he values some players for the role they play in the team and game plan more than we as supporters do. Players like Ellis, Grigg and Houli are frequently easy targets because they are outside players who don't win their own ball and act as link players. When we are not winning the contested ball these players are our worst performers. When we are winning the inside ball and feeding out to these players, then they can seem our best. Ellis is a prime examples of this comparing him from last year to this year. Now he has lost his confidence and is starting to not do the courageous acts that made him such a fan favourite in 2013. I agree he needs a rest to find his mojo again.
I get frustrated when people throw this "red herring" up about the likes of Houli, Grigg and Ellis being "easy targets because they are outside players". Granted their roles dictate that they play majority outside but when they are the only ones in contest then they simply must make contest. You chase, you tackle, you attack the ball. Outside or inside when it's just you and your opponent then you go. There is NO excuses as it can cost you games as it did on round 3 against the Bulldogs when Ellis refused to make a contest against Gia. As for Ellis and "his courageous acts" last season. Ellis has been pulling out of contest since he started. He did it last year and is continuing to do it this year. Staggers me that he can a decent contested mark overhead but when the balls on the ground refuse to put his body on the line.
Helbig has been playing well before this week in the backline but would you swap him with Morris, Vlaustin or Houli. I'm not convinced he is a better option than any of them. If Morris has the injury you speak of then I would give Helbig a go but Morris intensity and fight are hard to replicate.
If Morris has the injury? Do you not seeing him week after week running to he boundary holding his shoulder and favouring his arm? Throw in the fact Harwick actually said in his weekly presser that they will continue to play him. Reckon it's a clear give always that he's playing injured,
As for Helbig, how will we ever know if is any good or a better option if he doesn't get played? We don't. Heaven forbid if we have another player show that perhaps the coaching panel have got it wrong at the selection table see exhibit A = Anthony Miles
More than they did today that's for sure. They are not doing themselves any favours when they perform the way they did. Even the 'in the best' performances have not been up to AFL standard like Miles was able to achieve and Lennon, and McBean in glimpses, did today.
So one bad week and they don't deserve promotion?
Weeks of poor performance by blokes it AFL is acceptable?
Sorry but I don't see it that way. But hey it gives Hardwick another out for another week doesn't it
Sadly it's not easy :'(. After listening today none of the players you mentioned, count 'em none :P, performed at all. They were down right ordinary. If they want a spot they need to play to a high standard consistently. Today is proof that they are not there yet. This is what is causing the difficultly with the 'selection decision'. For all the under performing players we have at AFL standard we have even more at VFL level at present. I have no idea what has happened with our development this year :-\
While the players you mentioned would be dropped if we had ready made replacements we don't have many this is what makes the issue not so cut and dry as you may suggest. :cheers
As I said above one poor performance after weeks excellent performances and you argue they don't deserve an opportunity?
But for our AFL players who have performed poorly for weeks now they simply get the luxury of another chance because of a very poor excuse
As I said what message are we sending to these kids?
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Hardwick has got it so wrong lately.
A side should always be rebuilding even when its on top. Hawthorn are always blooding youngsters every year despite winning the premiership as to Geelong.
So when he says we are not going to rebuild all I can do is :facepalm
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History is repeating the club is the same the coaches are different. :help
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I want to see him apologise to the fans and break down and cry like a baby
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I know what I am saying here is not the popular opinion but I find it difficult to read hate filled posts putting all the blame on one individual with no explanation to back up their opinions. That's why I don't mind questioning you WP because you're likely to at least explain your thinking :thumbsup
Sorry Stripes, it is that easy. Has been for weeks now.
Our season has been shot for weeks. And what do we continue to do? We keep playing blokes who as I said continually let us down.
We have kids that are coming out of contract at the end of this season. Some are likely to get de-listed. But how do we know if they are worth persisting with if they don't get the opportunities?
I disagree. Sorry WP, its not that easy. Are we still trying to develop team confidence and regain belief or are we rebuilding? If we are trying to establish a winning culture again then making whole sale changes in not the way to go. I, like you, would like to see Helbig get a series of games to see if he will make it but the one thing Morris does (even injured) which I haven't seen from Helbig, is shown consistent desperation to win a contest. Morris' injury can not get any worse by playing (I'm giving some blind credit here though :pray) so Dimma obviously feels he will get more out of Morris than what Helbig is showing. I do agree with you here though - I would like to see Morris be rested for Helbig.
I get frustrated when people throw this "red herring" up about the likes of Houli, Grigg and Ellis being "easy targets because they are outside players". Granted their roles dictate that they play majority outside but when they are the only ones in contest then they simply must make contest. You chase, you tackle, you attack the ball. Outside or inside when it's just you and your opponent then you go. There is NO excuses as it can cost you games as it did on round 3 against the Bulldogs when Ellis refused to make a contest against Gia. As for Ellis and "his courageous acts" last season. Ellis has been pulling out of contest since he started. He did it last year and is continuing to do it this year. Staggers me that he can a decent contested mark overhead but when the balls on the ground refuse to put his body on the line.
I get frustrated when people use the term - 'red herring' :P. The biggest problem we have is not with players like Grigg, Ellis and Houli but rather the roles they have been given. They have been coached to play an outside game but now they are being forced to play in a foreign role. Grigg is the biggest problem here. He only knows one way to play and hasn't the skills or ability to adapt to a more contested style. Houli has changed his game to be more contested but it still does not come naturally to him but credit where credit is due.
Ellis can be a courageous player. Last year I saw him back into marking contests frequently and desperately throw himself over at the ball. For whatever reason this season I haven't seen that in his game and he seems lost and timid out there. I don't know why. Perhaps his running game has been taken away from him by the opposition? Regardless he has lost all confidence and space at present.
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If Morris has the injury? Do you not seeing him week after week running to he boundary holding his shoulder and favouring his arm? Throw in the fact Harwick actually said in his weekly presser that they will continue to play him. Reckon it's a clear give always that he's playing injured,
As for Helbig, how will we ever know if is any good or a better option if he doesn't get played? We don't. Heaven forbid if we have another player show that perhaps the coaching panel have got it wrong at the selection table see exhibit A = Anthony Miles
See above
So one bad week and they don't deserve promotion?
Weeks of poor performance by blokes it AFL is acceptable?
Sorry but I don't see it that way. But hey it gives Hardwick another out for another week doesn't it
One bad week you say? Currently we sit 14th on the VFL ladder or 3rd bottom. This is not one bad week. The three winds we had was largely set up by a rampaging Miles. Helbig has been good at times don't get me wrong but he has been made to look better because of the poor performances of those around him.
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As I said above one poor performance after weeks excellent performances and you argue they don't deserve an opportunity?
But for our AFL players who have performed poorly for weeks now they simply get the luxury of another chance because of a very poor excuse
As I said what message are we sending to these kids?
The message this is sending to the kids is that there are places available in the team if you earn it so step up and take the spot of players like Ellis, Morris, Newman etc but don't expect to be just given a gig because you are nearing the end of a contract.
I wish we had more players like Miles busting the door down but sadly we just don't :'(
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I disagree. Sorry WP, its not that easy. Are we still trying to develop team confidence and regain belief or are we rebuilding? If we are trying to establish a winning culture again then making whole sale changes in not the way to go. I, like you, would like to see Helbig get a series of games to see if he will make it but the one thing Morris does (even injured) which I haven't seen from Helbig, is shown consistent desperation to win a contest. Morris' injury can not get any worse by playing (I'm giving some blind credit here though :pray) so Dimma obviously feels he will get more out of Morris than what Helbig is showing. I do agree with you here though - I would like to see Morris be rested for Helbig.
TBBH I'm not sure what the club is trying to develop anymore. And based on this seasons selection I'm not sure the club does either.
This constant playing of favourites despite their "poor" form is not going to build confidence, it's not going to restore belief and it certainly isn't doing anything about creating a winning culture. On the contrary I think the selection mentality has done the opposite especially in the belief stakes.
Obviously we are not seeing the same thing regarding Helbig. I see a kid in the VFL attacking every contest as if it's his last, so I cannot agree on you assertion Helbig doens't show enough desperation. Ditto Arnott.
They are doing what is asked of them. Tim Clarke said it pre-match on Friday night, so I will say it again what more do they need to do?
I get frustrated when people use the term - 'red herring' :P. The biggest problem we have is not with players like Grigg, Ellis and Houli but rather the roles they have been given. They have been coached to play an outside game but now they are being forced to play in a foreign role. Grigg is the biggest problem here. He only knows one way to play and hasn't the skills or ability to adapt to a more contested style. Houli has changed his game to be more contested but it still does not come naturally to him but credit where credit is due.
Ellis can be a courageous player. Last year I saw him back into marking contests frequently and desperately throw himself over at the ball. For whatever reason this season I haven't seen that in his game and he seems lost and timid out there. I don't know why. Perhaps his running game has been taken away from him by the opposition? Regardless he has lost all confidence and space at present.
Facts are Stripes that when Dimma was appointed coach he said that onehis "non negotiables" was that at any contest when it was a players "turn to go" (eg attack the contest, make they contest), they would go and if they didn't they wouldn't be playing. I posted a few weeks back wjhen did this 'non negotiable" become a "negotiable" especially with regard to certain players. It is either a team rule/ethos or it isn't. It can't be selective but over the last 24 months it certainly has been
One bad week you say? Currently we sit 14th on the VFL ladder or 3rd bottom. This is not one bad week. The three winds we had was largely set up by a rampaging Miles. Helbig has been good at times don't get me wrong but he has been made to look better because of the poor performances of those around him.
And our AFL side has won 3 games and have been consistently bad ALL season so the argument that because our VFL side sit 3rd bottom we shouldn't give players opportunties is a contridiction.
If players are performing the roles that they have been asked to do at VFL level and are playing well then the VFL results are no matter how bad become irrelevant.
Miles played games at VFL level where the side was terrible and he was excellent. You seem to be implying that he is the exception to the rule. In that his performance mattered in sub-standard team performances and warranted AFL selection but no ones else does. Not sure it can work like that. Actually no; I don't believe it should work like that
The message this is sending to the kids is that there are places available in the team if you earn it so step up and take the spot of players like Ellis, Morris, Newman etc but don't expect to be just given a gig because you are nearing the end of a contract.
I wish we had more players like Miles busting the door down but sadly we just don't :'(
Clearly that is where we disagree, because that clearly isn't the message. What places are available when players aren't getting dropped for their poor performances. Miles was knocking down the door for months and it made no difference; he couldn't get a look in. Then when they finally promoted him it took a further 3 weeks for him to get selected. So I again argue that your arguement here is flawed
I believe we have kids who have done enough at VFL level to be given an opportunity but they haven't been and it appears they wont be.
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I think the deciding factor is where we are sitting right now. No chance of finals and from this point the more wins we get the worst it'll be for us. We had our chance at building a winning culture last year by winning 15 games and then we deliver this poo. Need to develop the kids and put people like Morris in for an op. Sure his injury might not get acutely worse but it can be giving him longer term damage. If we win the games with kids even better we get development and a winning culture but I don't buy into that culture crap as much as I do development
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If gale had any balls he'd hold Hardwick accountable
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Or " Peggy "
Lmao at that peeweak appointment.
No wonder dimmer likes it
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The points I got out of that was; balls, prick and Peggy
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The points I got out of that was; balls, prick and Peggy
Dies that mean that Peggy has the other two?
If so, Peggy should consider a name change!
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The points I got out of that was; balls, prick and Peggy
Dies that mean that Peggy has the other two?
If so, Peggy should consider a name change!
Welllllll I didnt want to say that directly
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Jake the Peggy
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I think the deciding factor is where we are sitting right now. No chance of finals and from this point the more wins we get the worst it'll be for us. We had our chance at building a winning culture last year by winning 15 games and then we deliver this poo. Need to develop the kids and put people like Morris in for an op. Sure his injury might not get acutely worse but it can be giving him longer term damage. If we win the games with kids even better we get development and a winning culture but I don't buy into that culture crap as much as I do development
:clapping
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Just wanted to acknowledge what Stripes has posted, was thinking something very similar myself but didn't have the time to articulate it. Well done Stripes :thumbsup
Also WP, you make some fair points and I'd imagine somewhere in the middle lies the truth.
What I wonder is how heavily these topics are debated behind closed doors at Tigerland?
You'd certainly like to think so.
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Just wanted to acknowledge what Stripes has posted, was thinking something very similar myself but didn't have the time to articulate it. Well done Stripes :thumbsup
Also WP, you make some fair points and I'd imagine somewhere in the middle lies the truth.
What I wonder is how heavily these topics are debated behind closed doors at Tigerland?
You'd certainly like to think so.
:cheers mate. I don't disagree with WP really but really just wanted to point out its not as easy as dropping players on mass. You need players who can fill their role in the team structure first and who are also performing at VFL level.
I would love to see Helbig in the side for an extended period this year and Arnot, Darrou, O'Hanlon and even McBean if their form warrants it.....and there is a spot for them :shh ;D
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Just wanted to acknowledge what Stripes has posted, was thinking something very similar myself but didn't have the time to articulate it. Well done Stripes :thumbsup
Also WP, you make some fair points and I'd imagine somewhere in the middle lies the truth.
What I wonder is how heavily these topics are debated behind closed doors at Tigerland?
You'd certainly like to think so.
:cheers mate. I don't disagree with WP really but really just wanted to point out its not as easy as dropping players on mass. You need players who can fill their role in the team structure first and who are also performing at VFL level.
I would love to see Helbig in the side for an extended period this year and Arnot, Darrou, O'Hanlon and even McBean if their form warrants it.....and there is a spot for them :shh ;D
:thumbsup
although, I don't normally advocate mass changes just reckon with where we are at right now (season shot) then they need to make changes that reward kids for their efforts rather going around in circles giving games to those who have had chance after chance and failed the club
I reckon this week will tell us a lot. With Newman & Jackson both supposedly close to being available what will Dimma and co. do? Unfortunately I just think it will be more of the same. The usual suspect (aka favourites) will get nod again
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Stripes you are wrong and lucky the search function on this website is poor.
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try advanced google search and put in
http://oneeyed-richmond.com as the domain to search.
i'm curious to see where you think he is wrong.
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try advanced google search and put in http://oneeyed-richmond.com as the domain to search.
i'm curious to see where you think he is wrong.
So am I. :allears
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Just wanted to acknowledge what Stripes has posted, was thinking something very similar myself but didn't have the time to articulate it. Well done Stripes :thumbsup
Also WP, you make some fair points and I'd imagine somewhere in the middle lies the truth.
What I wonder is how heavily these topics are debated behind closed doors at Tigerland?
You'd certainly like to think so.
:cheers mate. I don't disagree with WP really but really just wanted to point out its not as easy as dropping players on mass. You need players who can fill their role in the team structure first and who are also performing at VFL level.
I would love to see Helbig in the side for an extended period this year and Arnot, Darrou, O'Hanlon and even McBean if their form warrants it.....and there is a spot for them :shh ;D
:thumbsup
although, I don't normally advocate mass changes just reckon with where we are at right now (season shot) then they need to make changes that reward kids for their efforts rather going around in circles giving games to those who have had chance after chance and failed the club
I reckon this week will tell us a lot. With Newman & Jackson both supposedly close to being available what will Dimma and co. do? Unfortunately I just think it will be more of the same. The usual suspect (aka favourites) will get nod again
It's going to be Groundhog Day again. We all know it is. :help
Why would this failed organisation of a footy club do anything that would benefit it?
Hasn't done so for 32 years and right now doesn't look like it will in the near future.
The Skata Cycle. 32 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop. ®©™