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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Captain__Blood on July 24, 2005, 04:17:01 PM
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If it were up to you who would you want to see moved on at the end of the season?
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Hilton
Morrison
Tivendale
Retirements:
Stafford
Campbell
At the end of 2006 we should have a 7 ot 8 player cleanout.
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Hilton
Morrison
Tivendale
Retirements:
Stafford
Campbel
At the end of 2006 we should have a 7 ot 8 player cleanout.l
Same here John. Tivs will have to be traded as he's still contracted for another year. We still need one more clean out IMO but we have too many kids at the moment to do it this year.
If Cambo wants another year then he can stay just for his leadership and smarts for the young kids.
Welcome to OER CB :cheers
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Hilton
Morrison
Tivendale
Retirements:
Stafford
Campbell
At the end of 2006 we should have a 7 ot 8 player cleanout.
The usual suspects.
I'll throw up a couple names that might be consitered by Plough...
Chaffey
Graham
Moore
Roach
Archibald
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Chaffey
Tough one as he has improved over the last 10 weeks as a tagger and we need one
Graham
Wouldn't be at all surprised if he plays on in 2006 - if he wants too. We need the experience and leadership
Moore
Too early to say. Can play forward or back (granted he struggled yesterday) - an old fashion utility player. Certainly needs to bulk up fair bit. Lost a bit of weight when he broke his jaw
Roach
Don't know to be honest :P
Archibald
I don't think so because he really hasn't had an opportunity. I'll try and explain... I see this as Archie's first season in the sense that the 2005 pre-season was his first full pre-season after having a really severe case of OP and I mean really severe. I would like to see him player seniors this year and I wouldn't be surprised if he does because he's been playing well at Coburg.
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Of the names mentioned:
Hilton - Has shown some form recently, Wallace might be willing to give him another year if he plays good in the last few weeks, 50/50.
Morrison - Looks on his way out, would have to get recalled and almost star in a game or to to save himself, delisted.
Tivendale - Has gone good in the last few weeks, his senior experience is needed with all the kid coming through, keep.
Stafford - Retire, delisted, traded, whichever way he won't be in Richmond's list come 2006.
Campbell - He'll either retire or play on, i hope he retires.
Chaffey - Born-again tagger, has taken a while to get used to it, and will struggle on speedy midfielders but looks to have saved himself, keep.
Graham - He will probably retire, but if he wants to play 1 more years then let him.
Moore - His 21 1/2 and hasn't done a lot, needs to show something soon, possible/unlikely delisting.
Roach - Same boat as Moore expect his younger.
Archibald - Will be given a 1 year contract next year, he will have to show something in 2006.
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Chaffey
Tough one as he has improved over the last 10 weeks as a tagger and we need one
He will stay.
We do need a tagger and Chaffey has been somewhat decent, well for halfs at least. A few blokes that should be looked out before Chaffey. You'd hope a Jackson type would be able to replace him but no one seems ready.
1 more year on the list.
Graham
Wouldn't be at all surprised if he plays on in 2006 - if he wants too. We need the experience and leadership
Sadly, it doesnt seem like we have anyone to replace him.
Thursfeild looks a decent back pocket/3rd tall but very raw. Again, maybe Jackson.
Keep if he wants another year.
Moore
Too early to say. Can play forward or back (granted he struggled yesterday) - an old fashion utility player. Certainly needs to bulk up fair bit. Lost a bit of weight when he broke his jaw
Not a fan. Will be 23ish next season, should really be something decent by now.
Keep, hope he matures into something.
Roach
Don't know to be honest
Struggling in the 2's. I dont think he will make it. Maybe a potential winger/tagger?
Keep, give 1 more season.
Archibald
I don't think so because he really hasn't had an opportunity. I'll try and explain... I see this as Archie's first season in the sense that the 2005 pre-season was his first full pre-season after having a really severe case of OP and I mean really severe. I would like to see him player seniors this year and I wouldn't be surprised if he does because he's been playing well at Coburg.
Struggler. Drafted as a KPP but seems a flanker/winger at best. Late, speculitve pick that seems to have not shown too much. To be fair he has been hit tough we a bad run of injuries. Not been our worst for the burgers.
Keep, desevres to been giving a chance for another season
Of the names mentioned:
Hilton - Has shown some form recently, Wallace might be willing to give him another year if he plays good in the last few weeks, 50/50.
Morrison - Looks on his way out, would have to get recalled and almost star in a game or to to save himself, delisted.
Tivendale - Has gone good in the last few weeks, his senior experience is needed with all the kid coming through, keep.
Stafford - Retire, delisted, traded, whichever way he won't be in Richmond's list come 2006.
Campbell - He'll either retire or play on, i hope he retires.
Chaffey - Born-again tagger, has taken a while to get used to it, and will struggle on speedy midfielders but looks to have saved himself, keep.
Graham - He will probably retire, but if he wants to play 1 more years then let him.
Moore - His 21 1/2 and hasn't done a lot, needs to show something soon, possible/unlikely delisting.
Roach - Same boat as Moore expect his younger.
Archibald - Will be given a 1 year contract next year, he will have to show something in 2006.
Mate, we are rebuilding. Remember when we culled 10/12 lads lasts season and people were saying similar numbers had got ot get rid of this year? I relise you have to keep a few mature bodies around the place but we have to move forward.
Its no good finshing 9th and struggling to get past the bottom 4 clubs and the next week being ripped a new one by anyone half decent.
Tiv, Morrison & Hilton must go for a start.
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Foley will also be looked at just for the simple reason his 2 years on the rookie list are up at the end of the year and we need to decide whether to give him a spot in his own right on the senior list (which IIRC means a 2 year contract) or let him go.
I'll throw up a couple names that might be consitered by Plough...
Chaffey
Graham
Moore
Roach
Archibald
From the contract list thread Moore is contracted for another year. Given a 2 year contract at the end of last year after 2 years on the rookie list.
IMO Roach is in the most danger from the rest of that list as he's gone backwards this year and is struggling at Coburg. At least Archibald has improved this year (as WP said he had OP prior to 2005). Chaffey and Graham while not being part of a future premiership team have been serviceable this year and given our young list will probably stay for one more year until replaced by a young guys coming through.
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if we want anyone decent we need to trade players that have at least a reputation and some skill but not part of our future. we cant trade peanuts 4 gold. so if we want to gain a key defender so to speak we must trade good bait, thus gapsar or hall or both. chaffey has made a name as a tagger but anyone can learn that role. so he can be used as trade bait as well as tivendale. unfortunately i like hilton but i feel he wont be in th ebigger picture so he maybe be gone.
morrison - gone
hall - trade
gaspar - trade
campbell - stsy if he wants
graham - stay if he wants
stafford - stay on if he wants one more yr
tivendale - trade or delist, i know he has improved but we dont need him
hilton - trade delist
foley - keep him put him on list
thrursfield - keep him put him on list
its a tricky one because tw has a formula and he knows what oplayers he wants and what players he dosnt.
kosi at the saints is out of contract, if he dosnt sign, tigers should offer gasper and tiovendale 4 him
i know many ppl would be thinking what the , gaspar, cant trade him, well why not, everyone is tradeable for a price. say for eg wce say we want cogs and we will give u judd, i know that will never happen but its a hypo, we would be nuts not to do the deal.
we need a hard solomon type player so the tigers should try get him back over again. i know he has been undiscplined this yr but thats bec he is not happy.
after quarter time on th ew/e our defence did well, hall was a clumsy and weak at the bosy as usual but we held our own without gas or chubba
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Trade Krakouer
Trade or Delist: Morrison,Hilton,Tivendale,Stafford.
Stay if they want to: Campbell & Graham
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we cant trade krak, he is to valuabkle to us even when he dosnt get the ball, look against port , his hard work in the scrums was one of teh biggest reasons why we cam back, his tackling was ferocious and its a shame tha for a small kid he is the best tackler in our team
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Moore
Too early to say. Can play forward or back (granted he struggled yesterday) - an old fashion utility player. Certainly needs to bulk up fair bit. Lost a bit of weight when he broke his jaw
Not a fan. Will be 23ish next season, should really be something decent by now.
Keep, hope he matures into something.
Moore's only 21 (born March 1984). I think it gets forgotten that his first year on the Rookie list he had bad OP. Pre-season of 2004 was his first full pre-season, this year was his sceond.
He showed a bit in his senior games last season but injuries this year have been a problem. The worst being the Broken Jaw - which to me is bad luck not a result of bad conditioning. suspect body etc.
On Saturday against the Power I just thought he struggled with the tempo of the game which seems to happen these days when blokes come up from the VFL - the gap it seems, gets bigger all the time. What I really want to see is he increase his size (bulk up).
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Players ages (on 1st January 2006):
* birthday b/w now and end of the year.
18: Deledio, McGuane
19: Archibald, Gilmour, Jackson, Limbach*, Meyer*, Pattison, Polo*, Raines, Tambling*, Thursfield
20: Foley*, Hartigan, Roach*, Schulz
21: Moore
22: Krakouer, Rodan*
23: Coughlan, Hyde*, Newman, Pettifer
24: Morrison, Tuck*
25: Hall*, Knobel
26: Hilton, Tivendale
27: Bowden, Brown, Johnson, Simmonds
28: Chaffey
29: Gaspar
30: Kellaway*, Richardson
31: Stafford*
32: Graham
33: Campbell*
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21: Moore
22: Krakouer, Rodan*
24: Morrison, Tuck*
25: Hall*, Knobel
26: Hilton, Tivendale
When you take away from that group recent additions (Morrison, Tuck, Knobel), rookies (Moore, Tivs) and the fact Krakouer was selected with the 23 year olds that leaves only 3 early-mid 20s drafted players from 5 years worth of recruiting. The legacy of Geischen and Frawley >:(. If Spud and Beck didn't get that one year right (23 year olds + Krak) we'd be totally stuffed!
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we cant trade krak, he is to valuabkle to us even when he dosnt get the ball, look against port , his hard work in the scrums was one of teh biggest reasons why we cam back, his tackling was ferocious and its a shame tha for a small kid he is the best tackler in our team
Possession of the ball wins games of football for that is where the scoring comes from and for my money Krak does not get enough of the ball to warrant a place in the team
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we cant trade krak, he is to valuabkle to us even when he dosnt get the ball, look against port , his hard work in the scrums was one of teh biggest reasons why we cam back, his tackling was ferocious and its a shame tha for a small kid he is the best tackler in our team
Possession of the ball wins games of football for that is where the scoring comes from and for my money Krak does not get enough of the ball to warrant a place in the team
defensive skills and pressure are also important, and how th ehell do u know that krak wasnt given th ejog to tag and negate! u dont know what his tasks were in th egame on teh weekend! it was only a few weeks ago he was killing it and everyone was worshipping him
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defensive skills and pressure are also important, and how th ehell do u know that krak wasnt given th ejog to tag and negate! u dont know what his tasks were in th egame on teh weekend! it was only a few weeks ago he was killing it and everyone was worshipping him
To be fair none of us know what his role was on the weekend but he was beside Peter Burgoyne quite a fair bit yet Burgoyne got plenty of it and was influential in Port winning.
I'm not saying Krakouer should be traded but he lets himself down with inconsistency. You either walk away after a match going great stuff Andy geez he was good today or you're going where were was Andy today. Games where a player who spends most of the time on the field gets only 5 possessions aren't acceptable. Yes he had 11 tackles and in that sense he was important in shutting down Port's run but the best run-with players like Ling and Kirk if that was Krakouer's role on the weekend still get enough footy themselves to hurt their opponent the other way.
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In my humble opinion if Rodan had not suffered that season ending injury Krak would have spent a lot of time at Coburg this year
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In my humble opinion if Rodan had not suffered that season ending injury Krak would have spent a lot of time at Coburg this year
imo , rodan still has to be judged, i know terry loved his work ethic, but over the past yrs he just looked flashy and always ran sideways and isnt as fast as he thinks he is, his legs go a million miles an hr but he still dosnt get far. will be intersesting to see if he improves under terry
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Stafford - AWOL all year, time has run out, had been warned.
Graham - been very good but rather see him go than a youngster who hasnt had a chance and there are a few of them. Unlucky
Campbell - been very good but rather see him go than a youngster who hasnt had a chance and there are a few of them. Unlucky
Hilton - Came back from Reco but honestly I really cant see him in our 22 next year so delist
Morrison - unfortunately hasnt had a fair go, cant see Wallace keeping him
Chaffey - ?? Hard to say, how valuable is he in the team and is he similar to Fleming of last year ie expendable to hold onto a younger player?
Krakouer - just doesnt do enough, did play a couple of good games but I think we can get some good trade for him from a WA club...send him home he will be better for it and so will we.
Gilmore needs another year as does Foley, Archibald.
Have noticed RIX has had the last two BOG. Has he improved enough to be able to play AFL? And if so I have a feeling the Blues will pick him up as they have a reputation of picking up "reserve" players from other teams and he did get BOG against them last week so they will be aware of him. I think the answer is no but do we have any say in selecting him b4 other clubs or is it 1st in best dressed?
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kraks plays about 3 great games a year.
The rest are average or below par.
Time for someone new to believe in his bloodline.
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Have noticed RIX has had the last two BOG. Has he improved enough to be able to play AFL? And if so I have a feeling the Blues will pick him up as they have a reputation of picking up "reserve" players from other teams and he did get BOG against them last week so they will be aware of him. I think the answer is no but do we have any say in selecting him b4 other clubs or is it 1st in best dressed?
As Rix isn't on our rookie list he can be drafted by anyone at any stage as long as he nominates of course.I agree he's improved but I wouldn't be using an early pick on him. Would be a late third round pick at best
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kraks plays about 3 great games a year.
The rest are average or below par.
Time for someone new to believe in his bloodline.
Too good to delist but wouldnt shed a tear if he was traded for picks.
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Yeah, let's get Rix :thumbsup
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Yeah, let's get Rix :thumbsup
No thanks.
Morrison > Rix
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Yeah, let's get Rix :thumbsup
No thanks.
Morrison > Rix
Not for Julz's purposes ;D ;)
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dont get u guys, all this talk about trading krak, well then we must trade sugar as well. krak has had a far better yr and been more valuable in certain games than our captain! gees, as soon as krak has a below par game everyone is up his arse! this guy is a footballer with a gr8 footy brain and has the skills to boot! two things our captain does not possess! instead of all the lets get ris of krak the facts are he is a freakish talent and must stay!
lets get serious
we must look to our future and we need a fwd pocket stuff in our team who can go onball!!!
the players that are not part of the future are the ones that must be traded and let go, whether they have had a gr8 yr, been fantastic or had gr8 history with us should not matter! this yr terry must be as ruthless as last yr and chop at least 10 more head! now one must not use their heart in this situation , we have to think about or team in the future and let even some big names go. ok for stage 2 or our rebuilding process we must trade/delist/retire these names
gaspar
kellaway
hall
graham
campbell
tivendale
morrison
chaffey
hilton
stafford
the above mentioned names have had enough time and most of them age and wear an tear are also factors.
i know some names in this list may offend, but they are not part of the bigger picture
we are meant to be developing young kids they cannot stay at coburg 4 ever
thursfieild shulz moore jackson graham newman bowden graham hartigan sugar are just some names that can make our defence next season , then we have guys like archibald, etc as backups and any new kids we pick up.
patterson is ready to take over as teh third ruck and play instead of stafford, meyer is ready, bling will hopefully have an injury fre season, raines can tag and play onball rather than chaffey, if gilmore syas injury free he can take over the crap tivendale. rodan could also be a tagger and onballer next yr.
we have the players to cover the 10 delistings.
this yr terry has kept many of them in in hope we make the finals but thats wher it ends , it was for a short term boost up the ladder. next yr all the kids will have been through 2 pre seasons and will be more ready more hungry and more skillful than what we have now.
just my thoughts
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Krak's stats for the year:
11.35 possies per game
3.89 tackles per game
1.24 goals per game
IMO he has been ok-to-poor, but he hasn't been any worse than Pettifer who has somewhat similar stats. if we counter Pettifer's effective long kicking with Krakouer's defensive work I'd say they've been about even.
Both need to be put through the preseason of their lives or face time at Coburg next year and a possible delisting at the end of the year.
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As Rix isn't on our rookie list he can be drafted by anyone at any stage as long as he nominates of course.I agree he's improved but I wouldn't be using an early pick on him. Would be a late third round pick at best
Have you noticed that Rix is the only unlisted Player with a mentor at Richmond . ( maybe they have something in mind)
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from X
we must look to our future and we need a fwd pocket stuff in our team who can go onball!!
I agree,but kraks isn't that.
Tuff having to live up to his dads magic especially when he falls short of the mark.
I like the kid but he aint all that.
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I agree with most peoples thoughts in regards to trading Krak, agree with JohnF that he has been ok to fair/poor. The issue that i have is that he is on around 250K. His performances are well and truly below a player of that pay.
Trade him now while we can get somthing for him.
Compare him to Deledio who is on around 50K and i know who has been more influencial this season.
Others on my list include
Hilton - Has done ok this season in the seniors but he has had enough chances. His spot could easily be taken by a younger player and have no effect on the team.
Tivendale - With some teams looking for some pace, we may be able to stooge them with Tiva's while he is still worth something.
Stafford - Fails to influence a game these days.
Campbell - May retire, but with such a young list i would be happy for him to go around again. Also believe he deserves the 300
Graham - I stongly believe he will go around again, i remember Dermie saying that he has the body of a 27-28 year old when we first picked him up. He is ever so reliable and would be handy to keep while Patteron and Moore continue to develop.
Morrison - Thought he deserved more of a go but seems destined to get the chop.
Players that i think will be lucky to survive the axe include: Chaffey, Roach, Gilmour and Archibald
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Yeah, let's get Rix :thumbsup
No thanks.
Morrison > Rix
Not for Julz's purposes ;D ;)
Lol - MT you know me too well. :lol
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dont get u guys, all this talk about trading krak, well then we must trade sugar as well. krak has had a far better yr and been more valuable in certain games than our captain! gees, as soon as krak has a below par game everyone is up his behind! this guy is a footballer with a gr8 footy brain and has the skills to boot! two things our captain does not possess! instead of all the lets get ris of krak the facts are he is a freakish talent and must stay!
I can understand comparing Bowden and Johnson but Krakouer isn't even near Johnson's league yet. If only Krakouer could run all day like Johnson does. I'm not having a go at Krakouer here although it may look like it nor saying he should be traded but more sticking up for the consistency of Kane. Sugar is our leading average disposal getter this year and has only had 3 games below 20 possessions and none ever below 10. I would like to find "effectiveness" and "inside/rebound 50" stats but I'm not sure where to find them on the net. Anyway compare that to Andy who has only reached 20 possessions once this year and has had 9 matches where he's got only 10 or less. And for an impact player he's only kicked multiple goals in 5 of our 17 games and 2 where he's kicked more than 2. Yes they play different roles so Krakouer's disposal stats will be less than Sugar's but IMO X you're being severely harsh on Johnson.
lets get serious
we must look to our future and we need a fwd pocket stuff in our team who can go onball!!!
the players that are not part of the future are the ones that must be traded and let go, whether they have had a gr8 yr, been fantastic or had gr8 history with us should not matter! this yr terry must be as ruthless as last yr and chop at least 10 more head! now one must not use their heart in this situation , we have to think about or team in the future and let even some big names go.
I agree with you here X but I don't think it will happen this year given our young list and that we won't have as many and of course same quality of picks as we did last year. The senior list has to remain at 38 so whoever we get rid of we must replace. Most of the names on your list have no trade value - Tivs and possibly Hall and Chaffey at best have some value but not a first rounder. So replacing all of them them with more speculative kids from late picks won't improve our list IMO nor help the development of the many kids we already have if they don't have some senior bodies around them. Let go of some of them by all means (please lol) but IMO I don't believe it'll be another clean out of 10 say.
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So replacing all of them them with more speculative kids from late picks won't improve our list IMO nor help the development of the many kids we already have if they don't have some senior bodies around them. Let go of some of them by all means (please lol) but IMO I don't believe it'll be another clean out of 10 say.
The minimum number that must go is 3 - they are the rules.
I agree MT I don't think we'll see 10 go. I reckon it will be more like 4 or maybe 5 subject to the draft of course.
The other thing is the depth of the draft and I've heard so many experts (recruiting people) say the depth isn't there. I don't think clubs in general are going to commit to a 2 year deal on really late speculative picks this year.
I've said it before and I'll say it again to succeed in the trade period to gain a decent pick you have trade something that has value - when we talk about off loading blokes if we want trade up we have to give up something decent
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I can understand comparing Bowden and Johnson but Krakouer isn't even near Johnson's league yet. If only Krakouer could run all day like Johnson does. I'm not having a go at Krakouer here although it may look like it nor saying he should be traded but more sticking up for the consistency of Kane. Sugar is our leading average disposal getter this year and has only had 3 games below 20 possessions and none ever below 10. I would like to find "effectiveness" and "inside/rebound 50" stats but I'm not sure where to find them on the net. Anyway compare that to Andy who has only reached 20 possessions once this year and has had 9 matches where he's got only 10 or less. And for an impact player he's only kicked multiple goals in 5 of our 17 games and 2 where he's kicked more than 2. Yes they play different roles so Krakouer's disposal stats will be less than Sugar's but IMO X you're being severely harsh on Johnson.
sugar i admit gets plenty of the ball, but so what! its what you do with it that counts! krak when playing in the midfeild never misses a target but sugar on the other hand struggles at this at best! his ineffective disposal would be high , i dont mean clangers i mean kicks and handballs that make life difficult for teammates. his disposals may not be clangers but because they are of such poor quality the ball ebnds up being turned over because they just dont hit enough targets lace out!
in hindsight i may be wrong here , but as i recall , if we never chased sugar, wells would have been on our list! maybe im wrong but wells creams sugar with his skill pace and footy brain. they are the players we need
now im not anti sugar, he is ok, but in my opinion he is another buckley. i dont rate bucjkley as high as eddie the media and many clowns do. he gats many stats also , 80% in the back pocket receiving a kick in(cheap stat) and bothe players are rarely seen under packs getting the real hard ball
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Johnson does have some trouble with his disposal sometimes but he still does a lot of good things. You don't finish second in the best and fairest two years in a row if your possessions are ineffective. Coaches are there to scrutinise which player is being the most effective and Johnson has been proven to be one of our most effective overall for the last couple of years. His effectiveness has been down this year but I believe this is due to him playing with injuries through the year. For that reasons he hasn't been able to throw himself around the contest like he had in previous years. Even still, he has been far from our worst, and in fact he's in our top half dozen. Krakouer on the other hand is defnitely not in our top dozen based on this year's performance.
And about Buckley, come on X, you talk about good disposal, have you ever seen a better footpasser in the AFL than Buckley? I haven't. Great, great kick.
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And about Buckley, come on X, you talk about good disposal, have you ever seen a better footpasser in the AFL than Buckley? I haven't. Great, great kick.
gilbee, bruce, green, wells, voss, black , ackerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, just to name a couple. then in the past leon cameron, williams ,dale weightman, royal poo the list could go forever. u ould be surprised how many targets buckley actually misses
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sugar i admit gets plenty of the ball, but so what! its what you do with it that counts! krak when playing in the midfeild never misses a target but sugar on the other hand struggles at this at best! his ineffective disposal would be high , i dont mean clangers i mean kicks and handballs that make life difficult for teammates. his disposals may not be clangers but because they are of such poor quality the ball ebnds up being turned over because they just dont hit enough targets lace out!
I don't know what Sugar's disposal effectiveness is as I can't find a site with such stats but as John stated he is in our best 6. One of the stats sites had an overall effectiveness category up to round 10 this year and Johnson was rated at 95% which was one of highest at Richmond.
I wouldn't rate Johnson up there with Buckley. Five years ago I too didn't rate Bucks that highly as IMO he struggled with accuracy over 40m. Duncan use to spank him by dragging Bucks back to the HB line and force Bucks to kick long which we just picked off. However over the past 4 years ignoring injury his kicking has been fantastic so he deserves the praise he gets despite him playing for the maggots ;D.
The best field kick ever that I've seen has to be Darren Jarman!
in hindsight i may be wrong here , but as i recall , if we never chased sugar, wells would have been on our list! maybe im wrong but wells creams sugar with his skill pace and footy brain. they are the players we need
I agree Wells is now the type of player we need in our midfield as our lack of pace and skill kills us against the top sides once the footy is loose. Terry smartly was aware of this before even coaching us. That's why he got Tambling and Meyer on top of Deledio. Anyway when we traded our pick it was pick #4 (= Timothy Walsh). It only became pick #2 (=Wells) after we had already traded for Johnson when the AFL through the book at Carlton for cheating. Some argue it was obvious what was going to happen but it shouldn't be up to the clubs to playing guessing games with picks when trade week starts. The AFL should had organised it that no trading or drafting be done until after they had made their final decision on the Blues. Blame them for the stuff up. Should also mention we also got Schulz as well at #12 and lost Torney in that deal.
The draft that year was and in hindsight one of the poorest of recent times. Almost a list of duds/nobodies apart from Wells, Rivers and a couple of others like Selwood and Minson doing some nice things this year. We of course under Spud and Brittain went for Fleming and Nichols :help.
Round 1
1. St Kilda - Brendon Goddard (Gippsland Power)
2. Kangaroos - Daniel Wells (Peel Thunder)
3. Brisbane - Jared Brennan (Southern Districts)
4. Western Bulldogs - Timothy Walsh (Northern Knights)
5. Sydney - Jarrad McVeigh (NSW/ACT Rams)
6. Port Adelaide - Steven Salopek (Dandenong Stingrays)
7. Geelong - Andrew Mackie (Glenelg)
8. Hawthorn - Luke Brennan (North Ballarat Rebels)
9. Kangaroos - Hamish McIntosh (Murray Bushrangers)
10. Essendon - Jason Laycock (Tassie Mariners)
11. Essendon - Jason Winderlich (Gippsland Power)
12. Richmond - Jay Sculz (Woodville-West Torrens)
13. Fremantle - Byron Schammer (West Adelaide)
14. Melbourne - Daniel Bell (Glenelg)
15. Melbourne - Nicholas Smith (Norwood)
Round 2
16. Port Adelaide - Stephen Gilham (Oakleigh Chargers)
17. Western Bulldogs - Cameron Faulkner (Central District)
18. Kangaroos - Kris Shore (Eastern Ranges)
19. Brisbane - Troy Selwood (Bendigo Pioneers)
20. Western Bulldogs - William Minson (Norwood)
21. Collingwood - Bowman Nixon (Calder Cannons)
22. St Kilda - Matthew Ferguson (Gippsland Power)
23. Geelong - Tom Lonergan (Calder Cannons)
24. West Coast - Paul Johnson (Dandenong Stingrays)
25. Kangaroos - Callum Urch (Western Jets)
26. Melbourne - Jared Rivers (North Adelaide)
27. Essendon - Darren Walsh (Sandringham Dragons)
28. Essendon - Tristan Cartledge (North Ballarat Rebels)
29. Collingwood - Luke Shackleton (Tassie Mariners)
30. Brisbane - Daniel Merrett (Southport)
Round 3
31. Kangaroos - Joel Perry (Eastern Ranges)
32. Adelaide - Luke Jericho (West Adelaide)
33. Western Bulldogs - Brad Murphy (Calder Cannons)
34. Sydney - Sean Dempster (Gippsland Power)
35. Western Bulldogs - Scott Bassett (Port Adelaide)
36. Geelong - Tim Callan (Geelong Falcons)
37. West Coast - Brent Staker (NSW/ACT Rams)
38. Kangaroos - Blake Grima (Eastern Ranges)
39. Melbourne - Gary Moorcroft (Essendon)
40. Essendon - Jobe Watson (Sandringham Dragons)
41. Richmond - Tim Fleming (Carlton)
42. Port Adelaide - Brett Ebert (Port Adelaide Magpies)
43. Collingwood - Cameron Cloke (Eastern Ranges)
44. Brisbane - Anthony Corrie (Nightcliff)
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gilbee
No wonder Wallace tried to get him to come to Punt Road after last season. You'd reckon a AA spot on a HBF.
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And about Buckley, come on X, you talk about good disposal, have you ever seen a better footpasser in the AFL than Buckley? I haven't. Great, great kick.
gilbee, bruce, green, wells, voss, black , ackerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, just to name a couple. then in the past leon cameron, williams ,dale weightman, royal pooh the list could go forever. u ould be surprised how many targets buckley actually misses
Buckley has been a champion player for over a decade and a great kick throughout his whole career. He had his arrs kicked a few times by Duncan Kellaway but his career achievements speak for themselves. What's he got 6 Copeland trophies, 7 All Australian guernseys, 5 finishes in the top 5 of the Brownlow? Some of the names you list haven't even played a good year in total.
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I agree with most peoples thoughts in regards to trading Krak, agree with JohnF that he has been ok to fair/poor. The issue that i have is that he is on around 250K. His performances are well and truly below a player of that pay.
Trade him now while we can get somthing for him.
Compare him to Deledio who is on around 50K and i know who has been more influencial this season.
Others on my list include
Hilton - Has done ok this season in the seniors but he has had enough chances. His spot could easily be taken by a younger player and have no effect on the team.
Tivendale - With some teams looking for some pace, we may be able to stooge them with Tiva's while he is still worth something.
Stafford - Fails to influence a game these days.
Campbell - May retire, but with such a young list i would be happy for him to go around again. Also believe he deserves the 300
Graham - I stongly believe he will go around again, i remember Dermie saying that he has the body of a 27-28 year old when we first picked him up. He is ever so reliable and would be handy to keep while Patteron and Moore continue to develop.
Morrison - Thought he deserved more of a go but seems destined to get the chop.
Players that i think will be lucky to survive the axe include: Chaffey, Roach, Gilmour and Archibald
I agree with most of that list and the reasoning but I think Chaffey will go around for
at least another year.
George Hamilton has a spot for him and I think he is quite fond of the Chafster. :-*
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George Hamilton has a spot for him and I think he is quite fond of the Chafster. :-*
Took me a sec to click but :rollin
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X's cleaning out of another 10 is sounding very tempting right now. Dare I say it - we could lose our last 4 games and be better off in the long term finishing 12th with a top 6 draft pick :-X :-[.
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I'd still stick to my picks:
Campbell, Stafford, Morrison Hilton and Tivendale.
I would like to give the other guys an opportunity but I could see all these blokes going at the end of 2006:
Roach, Raines, Rodan, Gilmour, Graham, Chaffey, Moore, Schulz, Krakouer, Archibald, Foley, Jackson, Kellaway.
Just depends how they perform over the next 12 months really.
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Realistically you're closer to the mark to what wil happen John. I'm just ticked off after today. Tivs was awful. Wallace took Tambling (who was on Kade Simpson) off to talk to him about not going in hard enough and Tivs replaced him on the wing yet paid no respect to Simpson whatsoever.