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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on July 28, 2014, 01:39:16 PM
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Kingy and Dimma will be doing a press conference at 3 pm today.
I would guess Jakey will be announcing his retirement.
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Kingy and Dimma will be doing a press conference at 3 pm today.
I would guess Jakey will be announcing his retirement.
Reckon that's a pretty good guess ;D
Logic
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Resigning for 3 years?
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Resigning for 3 years?
Get it done Tiges :gotigers
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can they lag Newman at the press conference too?
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Unshelfish from Jake. Unlike some people.
Newy I'm looking at you, give it away mate
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Unshelfish from Jake. Unlike some people.
Newy I'm looking at you, give it away mate
Newy to hold a press conference to announce he has bilateral calf strains that he hopes will be better by February next year. Hoping for a 2 year contract extension!
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Just announced.
Jake said his toe injury has been too difficult to get over so he has decided to retire. No farewell game either as he can't get back on the park.
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Here's the official confirmation on the RFC website ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-07-28/king-retires
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Just announced.
Jake said his toe injury has been too difficult to get over so he has decided to retire. No farewell game either as he can't get back on the park.
And we all know what that means...................................
We couldn't get up for Tommy playing Meltank so how the hell are we going to beat GWS for Kingy? :help
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All the best Jake :cheers thanks for the service,
under rated :clapping
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He was played out of position for most of his career but once he was played as a defensive forward he has done great things for the team.
I along with James Brayshaw am going to miss the push up and the grunt he adds to the forward line.
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Great leadership, retiring for the benefit of the younger players
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Once moved up forward he came into own. Not every player on a TEAM has to be a Royce Hart ability wise, it takes all type and Jake gave us something most players dont. His forward line pressure was one of the things we never replaced this year. Will be missed by the team no doubt.
Thanks Jake
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Good man, Kingy!
Loved your work.
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Thank-you Jake for service provided to club. Had a great attitude. Gave his all. Played his best as a small defensive forward. Decision to retire like the way he played was team oriented. Will miss his aggression.
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Thanks Kingy, you little terrier. Remember your first season at Coburg when Andy Collins got you to come down to try out. Loved watching you play, so tough and uncompromising. Rest is history
Good call, I know that toe injury is a lot worse than we ever got told. Right call you've made :thumbsup
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All the best Jake :cheers thanks for the service,
under rated :clapping
:thumbsup
Heart and soul Tiger. Would be a great development coach for young 1st or 2nd year draftees.
Would help them grow hair on their chest ;D
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Push up :clapping
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Loved the push up king ....the little big man.
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Good on you Kingy, classy classy year you have had. Hope Caro and all the media flogs who have banged on about the rubbish in off season come out with something positive, starting with the recent work you've done with the Tiger Cubs.
#PushUp
If only some of his older mates had the same amount of class and unselfishness
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Never rated him as a player and don't think he belonged on a list, but respected his approach and attitude, and his work with that sick kid will perhaps be what he is best remembered for and there is plenty of credit in that.
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I'm saddened we'll never get commentary like this ever again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAITJ_o2Zvw
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Thanks for the memories little big man.......wish a few more had a heart like you and we wouldn't be where we are now. :thumbsup :bow
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A great tuff man for the club. Wish more players would go harder at the contest & stick up for themselves like Jake King.
Thanks for the service Jake. :clapping :gotigers
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Well done Jakey on a great career at Tigerland. The hardest nut that I've seen play for Richmond and we've had a few. You gave more in 107 games than some peahearts that have played 250 plus.
Special salute for the Didak snipe which started the Collingwood brawl in 2009. A bright moment on a very dark day for Richmond.
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:thumbsup dcrane
Haven't agreed more with a post than this in a while
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Thanks for all your efforts Kingy. You were a ver underrated player.
My little bloke is shattered, hard to explain to a 5 year old retirement....
Thanks again :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Well done Jakey on a great career at Tigerland. The hardest nut that I've seen play for Richmond and we've had a few. You gave more in 107 games than some peahearts that have played 250 plus.
Special salute for the Didak snipe which started the Collingwood brawl in 2009. A bright moment on a very dark day for Richmond.
I'll forever love him formheadlockingjolly when the rest of the spuds gave up
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whhoooo freakin rrraaaaayyyyy. got 7 or 8 yrs when you shouyld have got 2 at best.
your probably a great bloke kingy but ffs you were an ordinary footballer at this level.
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whhoooo freakin rrraaaaayyyyy. got 7 or 8 yrs when you shouyld have got 2 at best.
your probably a great bloke kingy but ffs you were an ordinary footballer at this level.
A Edwards better?
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Proved me wrong - good luck Jake you angry little man :clapping
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VIDEOS:
Kingy telling his teammates he's retiring: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-07-28/280714
The best of Kingy: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-07-28/kings-career
Today's press conference: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-07-28/king-announces-retirement
Interview on MMM: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-07-28/king-on-triple-m
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Am I the only one who finds those recorded retirement speeches to have become tedious?
The occasional off the cuff one is a great insight but when every player does then it feels very fake and stage managed.
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Who have we got now to pick up those eight or so possessions per game?
RFC recruiting is a disgrace
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Jake King on SEN ...
AUDIO: https://soundcloud.com/sen1116/jake-king-on-the-run-home
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The push-up King gave it everything
Joshua Papanikolaou
SEN
11.23AM 29-7-2014
For a full-time tradesman and hard-nosed VFL footballer simply being drafted into the AFL was a massive achievement for Jake King.
Now seven years on and 107 games played the Richmond small forward is retiring from the game knowing full well he gave everything he had to make a dream come true.
“Working six-days a week before being drafted and already being behind the eight ball playing in the VFL you had to get your fitness and strength up to the AFL standard without having the facilities.
“I’m actually not that flash of a footballer, I’ve made a career out of playing a game I’m not really that good at,” King said frankly on The Run Home.
The decision was not made lightly by the 30 year-old who made several attempts to fix a deteriorating big toe that would not allow him to play unless career-ending surgery was performed.
“As a footballer there comes a time where you know your time is up and mine is.
“I’ve gotten the best out of myself and we tried to come back this year even up to the last week but I spoke to the doctors and they said there is no more they can do for it.”
King will be remembered for his toughness on the field but even he could not continue to cope with the amount of strain on his banged-up body.
“It got to the point where you get out of bed in the morning and the first two steps that you take you’re in a bit of pain so I thought enough was enough.”
http://www.sen.com.au/display-article-2013/The-pushup-King-gave-it-everything/70909
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whhoooo freakin rrraaaaayyyyy. got 7 or 8 yrs when you shouyld have got 2 at best.
your probably a great bloke kingy but ffs you were an ordinary footballer at this level.
Gave a hell of alot more than Shane Edwards. When Kingy tackled the player hit the ground & got one to go on with.
When Shedwards tackles a player, The player keeps running with Shedwards on his back like a jockey. Kingy was more than your average footballer.
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Just watch this guy's 100-game highlight video. Gave everything. More than you can say for a lot of other guys on the list.
Pity his injuries really cut back his leg speed the last few years. Was a very workmanlike footballer.
Thanks Kingy!
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whhoooo freakin rrraaaaayyyyy. got 7 or 8 yrs when you shouyld have got 2 at best.
your probably a great bloke kingy but ffs you were an ordinary footballer at this level.
A Edwards better?
different type and different need. a edwards a short term fix we all knew that. unlike king who has played 8 mostly very ordinary yrs and should never have been retained for as long as he has. we keep duds for so long we never improve and have little scope for improvement. king has been a part of this problem.
i refuse to sugar coat his carreer just because hes retired.
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Kingy was not a dud...
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whhoooo freakin rrraaaaayyyyy. got 7 or 8 yrs when you shouyld have got 2 at best.
your probably a great bloke kingy but ffs you were an ordinary footballer at this level.
A Edwards better?
different type and different need. a edwards a short term fix we all knew that. unlike king who has played 8 mostly very ordinary yrs and should never have been retained for as long as he has. we keep duds for so long we never improve and have little scope for improvement. king has been a part of this problem.
i refuse to sugar coat his carreer just because hes retired.
What are you trying to say that Shane Edwards has done more in his 8 years ?. Kingy done more in 1 year than Shedwards 8 years.
l dont know why you compare A Edwards they are 2 very different footballer's & Aaron is a crap footballer cause he won't give 100%
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Kingy was not a dud...
agree
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Kingy was not a dud...
A to E how would you rate him?
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Kingy was not a dud...
A to E how would you rate him?
C+
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D+
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D+
Please qualify
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Well if the measure is A to E, then the very best players are A's and players that achieve little more than a few games are E.
King played 107 games, 79 goals, 4 Brownlow votes, think he finished 9th once in B and F?
The 100 games puts him above the lowest rank and almost pushes him to the next level but apart from that he achieved very little in real football terms.
I'd say Dan Jackson is a C+ and he has a B and F.
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B minus
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Well if the measure is A to E, then the very best players are A's and players that achieve little more than a few games are E.
King played 107 games, 79 goals, 4 Brownlow votes, think he finished 9th once in B and F?
The 100 games puts him above the lowest rank and almost pushes him to the next level but apart from that he achieved very little in real football terms.
I'd say Dan Jackson is a C+ and he has a B and F.
So you're giving him 3 ratings? ;D
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He was very good at collision football. He could neutralize a contest with a player much taller than him which is what you have to do when your short. For me that was his key assset, body on body contact. Given its a collision based game he was better than a lot of players who squib the contest like Majak Daw or a few on our list over the years
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Well if the measure is A to E, then the very best players are A's and players that achieve little more than a few games are E.
King played 107 games, 79 goals, 4 Brownlow votes, think he finished 9th once in B and F?
The 100 games puts him above the lowest rank and almost pushes him to the next level but apart from that he achieved very little in real football terms.
I'd say Dan Jackson is a C+ and he has a B and F.
So you're giving him 3 ratings? ;D
:clapping
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He gets bonus points for sh!tting opposition players and roughing up pricks three times his size
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He gets bonus points for pooting opposition players and roughing up pricks three times his size
definitely
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whhoooo freakin rrraaaaayyyyy. got 7 or 8 yrs when you shouyld have got 2 at best.
your probably a great bloke kingy but ffs you were an ordinary footballer at this level.
A Edwards better?
different type and different need. a edwards a short term fix we all knew that. unlike king who has played 8 mostly very ordinary yrs and should never have been retained for as long as he has. we keep duds for so long we never improve and have little scope for improvement. king has been a part of this problem.
i refuse to sugar coat his carreer just because hes retired.
What are you trying to say that Shane Edwards has done more in his 8 years ?. Kingy done more in 1 year than Shedwards 8 years.
l dont know why you compare A Edwards they are 2 very different footballer's & Aaron is a crap footballer cause he won't give 100%
i didnt compare the two. angus hampson was being a smart arse and raised the comparison.and i replied to his post. do you read peoples posts before jumping in.
as poor as s edwards has been he has been a far better player than king. now that is saying something. simple fact is both are duds i cant be bothered arguing with you who is the bigger one.
you blokes crack me up. moaning on one hand about not being able to regularly play finals, and on the other hand defend the very hacks that stop us getting anywhere.
king while he gives 150% is and always has been a veru mediocre afl footballer. im glad to see the back of him in this sense.
s edwards i would have cut 5 yrs ago i constantly complain about this hack yr after yr. both are duds and we would be better off with out the both of them. we struggle big time in the roles these players perform.
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I didn't rate him when he was in defence but when he was finally played in a position that he was meant to ie. the forward line I find that he has been more than serviceable. For me I would give him a B- rating for being the only decent small forward we've had since Nathan Brown broken his leg.
He doesn't have the bag of tricks or the flashy brilliance but he always busts his gut and I'm not surprised that during 2012-2013, we would usually win when he was on the team.
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He was a great shut down defender in a similar vein to how Duncan Kellaway was a great tagger. If you doubt that, look at all the opposition small forwards that ran rampant after he got dropped and until we recruited Morris.
He then replicated that play at the other end of the ground when he went forward and stopped the ball leaving our forward 50 time and time again. Will be remembered as a great of the football club.
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He was a great shut down defender in a similar vein to how Duncan Kellaway was a great tagger. If you doubt that, look at all the opposition small forwards that ran rampant after he got dropped and until we recruited Morris.
He then replicated that play at the other end of the ground when he went forward and stopped the ball leaving our forward 50 time and time again. Will be remembered as a great of the football club.
No
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When you talk about cultural issues at clubs, this is a great example of one at Richmond I reckon.
Putting more worth in a players character than their performance is a massive issue for this club.
He might be the greatest bloke in the world but in 50 years time when they look back at this era King will be seen as a nothing player.
Basically his only achievement is playing 100 games in ordinary teams.
If he is a B or a C grader then what the hell is Deledio? An A grader at the top of the level with Judd, Gary Ablett etc? Hardly.
Shannon Byrnes retired this week as well with 131 games, 117 goals and played in 2 day and 2 night premierships. I'd say most people would have him as a C grader and yet when you compare careers King isn't fit to shine his boots.
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I see your point TBR but I don't think the Byrns comparison is apt. I think King was the better player. Byrnes was lucky to be carried by a great team. He was exposed when he went to Melbourne and had zero impact.
I reckon King was a pretty handy small forward. Not magic but knew where the sticks were and chased like a madman. Good character to have around the club and I hope he can stay around in some capacity.
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Well done Kingy, all the best mate and thanks for being the toughest player we have had in many many years.
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When you talk about cultural issues at clubs, this is a great example of one at Richmond I reckon.
Putting more worth in a players character than their performance is a massive issue for this club.
He might be the greatest bloke in the world but in 50 years time when they look back at this era King will be seen as a nothing player.
Basically his only achievement is playing 100 games in ordinary teams.
If he is a B or a C grader then what the hell is Deledio? An A grader at the top of the level with Judd, Gary Ablett etc? Hardly.
I think you have to judge players based on positions.
if we're talking midfield then of course the way it would stand is
Ablett: Class of his own
At their prime Judd, Swan, Pendlebury: A+
I'd put Cotch, Lids, Martin as A- and the reason why they haven't been able to break into the top echelon is from being dumped with too much responsibility and duty. There's a common opinion that "leaders should always stand up" and I do agree with this but lets not forget even Gary Ablett in his maiden year at GCS couldn't single handedly drag his team over the line for the most part. Like When he kicked 4 goals, got 41 possessions in 2011 against Adelaide and the team still lost by ~10 goals. The difference being GCS had some raw talent that would do anything for Gary. RFC on the other hand have passengers whom are happy to take a pay check and just casually jog around the ground.
What I can say about King is that he is not one of the passengers whom will just waltz around the ground. He had enough respect for the fans to put in a solid effort every time he was out on the ground.
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Shannon Byrnes retired this week as well with 131 games, 117 goals and played in 2 day and 2 night premierships. I'd say most people would have him as a C grader and yet when you compare careers King isn't fit to shine his boots.
This type of comment especially on a Jakey retirement thread needs to be challenged, it is rubbish.
Byrnes couldn't even get a goal a game taking easy goals at the end of the Geelong express. King played his first 40-50 games as back pocket. So King averaged more than a goal a game as a forward, unlike Byrnes he tackled and trapped the ball inside the f50 not to mention knocking the wind out of any defender who dare lean over to pick the ball up, whereas Shannon Byrnes would be lucky to burst through a wet tissue.
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I see your point TBR but I don't think the Byrns comparison is apt. I think King was the better player. Byrnes was lucky to be carried by a great team. He was exposed when he went to Melbourne and had zero impact.
I reckon King was a pretty handy small forward. Not magic but knew where the sticks were and chased like a madman. Good character to have around the club and I hope he can stay around in some capacity.
Precisely, tbr is carping as usual leaving out detail and insight! Donald Duck could have played in the FP at Geelong in two flags, how did he go when having to stand on his own two feet, zero impact ::)
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This type of comment especially on a Jakey retirement thread needs to be challenged, it is rubbish.
Byrnes couldn't even get a goal a game taking easy goals at the end of the Geelong express. King played his first 40-50 games as back pocket. So King averaged more than a goal a game as a forward, unlike Byrnes he tackled and trapped the ball inside the f50 not to mention knocking the wind out of any defender who dare lean over to pick the ball up, whereas Shannon Byrnes would be lucky to burst through a wet tissue.
Hate to bring facts into it but career averages on grunt work show King had .05 more tackles per game 2.77 to 2.72, Byrnes more clearances by .06, contested possessions King 5.9 Byrnes 5.15, 1%ers King 1.83, Byrnes .89.
A bees dick between them on most areas.
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Hate to bring facts into it but career averages on grunt work show King had .05 more tackles per game 2.77 to 2.72, Byrnes more clearances by .06, contested possessions King 5.9 Byrnes 5.15, 1%ers King 1.83, Byrnes .89.
A bees dick between them on most areas.
Interesting stats TBR and at least you have shifted your position from 'isn't fit to shine his boots' -> 'a bees dick between them', a much more respectable assessment if you are wanting to compare the two. Double the amount of 1% is a telling stat. I still think most coaches would opt for Kingy for the extra toughness if all of their other stats are so similar.
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Personably always thought Byrnes was rubbish carried in a good side
When you talk about cultural issues at clubs, this is a great example of one at Richmond I reckon.
Putting more worth in a players character than their performance is a massive issue for this club.
He might be the greatest bloke in the world but in 50 years time when they look back at this era King will be seen as a nothing player.
Basically his only achievement is playing 100 games in ordinary teams.
If he is a B or a C grader then what the hell is Deledio? An A grader at the top of the level with Judd, Gary Ablett etc? Hardly.
I think you have to judge players based on positions.
if we're talking midfield then of course the way it would stand is
Ablett: Class of his own
At their prime Judd, Swan, Pendlebury: A+
I'd put Cotch, Lids, Martin as A- and the reason why they haven't been able to break into the top echelon is from being dumped with too much responsibility and duty. There's a common opinion that "leaders should always stand up" and I do agree with this but lets not forget even Gary Ablett in his maiden year at GCS couldn't single handedly drag his team over the line for the most part. Like When he kicked 4 goals, got 41 possessions in 2011 against Adelaide and the team still lost by ~10 goals. The difference being GCS had some raw talent that would do anything for Gary. RFC on the other hand have passengers whom are happy to take a pay check and just casually jog around the ground.
What I can say about King is that he is not one of the passengers whom will just waltz around the ground. He had enough respect for the fans to put in a solid effort every time he was out on the ground.
Dunno if swan was ever a plus
Judd was as good if not better than gas before op
Imo
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Interesting stats TBR and at least you have shifted your position from 'isn't fit to shine his boots' -> 'a bees dick between them', a much more respectable assessment if you are wanting to compare the two. Double the amount of 1% is a telling stat. I still think most coaches would opt for Kingy for the extra toughness if all of their other stats are so similar.
You're missing the point.
Not talking so much about the specific players, King and Byrnes but the rating of players generally and the tendency of the RFC to overrate mediocre players based on personality not performance.
What I meant when I said couldn't shine his boots was in terms of overall career picture. Byrnes' career far, far, outshines Kings and yet most RFC people would say Byrnes was a C grade player at best.
The same RFC people would say King was a C - B grader.
I believe that is the root of much of the problems of the past 3 decades.
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Personably always thought Byrnes was rubbish carried in a good side
When you talk about cultural issues at clubs, this is a great example of one at Richmond I reckon.
Putting more worth in a players character than their performance is a massive issue for this club.
He might be the greatest bloke in the world but in 50 years time when they look back at this era King will be seen as a nothing player.
Basically his only achievement is playing 100 games in ordinary teams.
If he is a B or a C grader then what the hell is Deledio? An A grader at the top of the level with Judd, Gary Ablett etc? Hardly.
I think you have to judge players based on positions.
if we're talking midfield then of course the way it would stand is
Ablett: Class of his own
At their prime Judd, Swan, Pendlebury: A+
I'd put Cotch, Lids, Martin as A- and the reason why they haven't been able to break into the top echelon is from being dumped with too much responsibility and duty. There's a common opinion that "leaders should always stand up" and I do agree with this but lets not forget even Gary Ablett in his maiden year at GCS couldn't single handedly drag his team over the line for the most part. Like When he kicked 4 goals, got 41 possessions in 2011 against Adelaide and the team still lost by ~10 goals. The difference being GCS had some raw talent that would do anything for Gary. RFC on the other hand have passengers whom are happy to take a pay check and just casually jog around the ground.
What I can say about King is that he is not one of the passengers whom will just waltz around the ground. He had enough respect for the fans to put in a solid effort every time he was out on the ground.
Dunno if swan was ever a plus
Judd was as good if not better than gas before op
Imo
i'm happy to respect your opinion on this. I think it's a preference for style of play and how we all see things differently. I personally never thought Judd even at his prime was better than Cousins at his prime.
I really liked Swan in 2010 I thought he should've won the brownlow in that year and Judd in 2011.
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id take judd over ablett in his prime. id rather pendulbury as well. not much between all 3 thats for sure.
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funny old thread.
here we have a bloke who fail;ed abysmally as a sml defender. failed juust as badly as a mid and was just plain ordinary as a sml fwd. such a lmited player.yet people justify rating him higher than a d by comparing him to a bloke like byrnes who struggled for continuity in a good side.
stats dont lie ive been told often enough.
jake king as a sml defensive fwd. geez he chases and applies pressure real well by goilly gosh aint that great.it is expected and should be the norm.
without bringing his stats up i cant be bothered, he is statistically lousy yes lousy.
dumb no smarts lacks polish and over all his performances bordered on mediocrity. nothing but a limited battler who we gave 8 yrs too. it is laughable at just how much we overate our own.
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A very limited player but the ONLY one that I've seen that added the mongrel we so lavked
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A very limited player but the ONLY one that I've seen that added the mongrel we so lavked
Limited player but I have seen far worse play for this club. Was a barometer. If he was playing well team did. Also did a lot of things that stats don't show.
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funny old thread.
here we have a bloke who fail;ed abysmally as a sml defender. failed juust as badly as a mid and was just plain ordinary as a sml fwd. such a lmited player.yet people justify rating him higher than a d by comparing him to a bloke like byrnes who struggled for continuity in a good side.
stats dont lie ive been told often enough.
jake king as a sml defensive fwd. geez he chases and applies pressure real well by goilly gosh aint that great.it is expected and should be the norm.
without bringing his stats up i cant be bothered, he is statistically lousy yes lousy.
dumb no smarts lacks polish and over all his performances bordered on mediocrity. nothing but a limited battler who we gave 8 yrs too. it is laughable at just how much we overate our own.
Cyril Rioli in his 2012 All-Australian year averaged (Hawthorn made the GF that year)
15.6 disposals, 1.7 goals, 5.3 tackles
Eddie Betts in 2011 when he was in the 40 man squad and almost got All-Australian he was averaging
12.4 disposals, 2.2 goals, 3.5 tackles
and here we have Jake King in 2013 when we made finals, he averaged
11.9 disposals, 1.2 goals, 2.3 tackles
Of course Jake King isn't as good as Eddie Betts, and Rioli. I would argue though Cyril Rioli played in a premiership twice, and had the service of Hodge, Mitchell, Sewell, Lewis etc to help elevate his disposals and of course if the ball is spending more time in the f50 he's going to have more opportunity to lay a tackle.
Similarly in 2011, Carlton finished 5th. Murphy was playing well and so was Judd and his stats are going to go up as well.
Considering how crap RFC has been I think he's done well and I stand by giving him a B- rating.
Last year, he contributed important goals when we only narrowly beat Carlton in round 1. When the Tigers got pantsed by Geelong last year Push up kicked 4. I'm not saying he's the small forward to have ever played the game but I do think he performed to a B level given how crap the club has been
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http://www.afl-meme.com/2014/07/farewell-to-richmond-champion.html
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http://www.afl-meme.com/2014/07/farewell-to-richmond-champion.html
He has 4 brownlow votes! But I still lol'd
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http://www.afl-meme.com/2014/07/farewell-to-richmond-champion.html
Not a good meme.
Who called him a champ?
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Hate to bring facts into it but career averages on grunt work show King had .05 more tackles per game 2.77 to 2.72, Byrnes more clearances by .06, contested possessions King 5.9 Byrnes 5.15, 1%ers King 1.83, Byrnes .89.
A bees dick between them on most areas.
Interesting stats TBR and at least you have shifted your position from 'isn't fit to shine his boots' -> 'a bees dick between them', a much more respectable assessment if you are wanting to compare the two. Double the amount of 1% is a telling stat. I still think most coaches would opt for Kingy for the extra toughness if all of their other stats are so similar.
The guys retired, surely we can cut him some slack and remember his achievements? Frankly it says something about the character of a poster who bags his clubs players when they retire (Jordan McMahon excepted)
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Yep a bit of misdirected vitriol in this thread - poor form for mine..
think when he was moved forward and was healthy he played a pretty important role for us.
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Hate to bring facts into it but career averages on grunt work show King had .05 more tackles per game 2.77 to 2.72, Byrnes more clearances by .06, contested possessions King 5.9 Byrnes 5.15, 1%ers King 1.83, Byrnes .89.
A bees dick between them on most areas.
Interesting stats TBR and at least you have shifted your position from 'isn't fit to shine his boots' -> 'a bees dick between them', a much more respectable assessment if you are wanting to compare the two. Double the amount of 1% is a telling stat. I still think most coaches would opt for Kingy for the extra toughness if all of their other stats are so similar.
The guys retired, surely we can cut him some slack and remember his achievements? Frankly it says something about the character of a poster who bags his clubs players when they retire (Jordan McMahon excepted)
Well Said Hard Roar :clapping
This thread is great up until about page 4 when idiots start crapin Kingy out.
He played for The Mighty Tigers you morons, that's all that matters and if you DH's who bag Richmond in any way think your for real, YOU'RE NOT.
This is my last post on this forum as I am sick and tired of idiots hoping Richmond lose or just expect that they will and wanting the opposition to win.
I bet every single one of you at least ONCE in Kingy's career went "KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGY" as he kicks a goal or "PUSH UPS YOU LEGEND" as he decks a player.
We loved his anger and ferociousness and don't ever forget it.
Gonna miss ya Kingy, You awesome angry little terrier :thumbsup :cheers :clapping
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Great post 1980.Must admit I cant understand people who want their team to lose.Surely 20 years of high draft picks and 20 years of poor performances has shown that high draft picks don't ensure success.
As for Kingy he played like each game was his last....A great servant of the club
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Hate to bring facts into it but career averages on grunt work show King had .05 more tackles per game 2.77 to 2.72, Byrnes more clearances by .06, contested possessions King 5.9 Byrnes 5.15, 1%ers King 1.83, Byrnes .89.
A bees dick between them on most areas.
Interesting stats TBR and at least you have shifted your position from 'isn't fit to shine his boots' -> 'a bees dick between them', a much more respectable assessment if you are wanting to compare the two. Double the amount of 1% is a telling stat. I still think most coaches would opt for Kingy for the extra toughness if all of their other stats are so similar.
The guys retired, surely we can cut him some slack and remember his achievements? Frankly it says something about the character of a poster who bags his clubs players when they retire (Jordan McMahon excepted)
Well Said Hard Roar :clapping
This thread is great up until about page 4 when idiots start crapin Kingy out.
He played for The Mighty Tigers you morons, that's all that matters and if you DH's who bag Richmond in any way think your for real, YOU'RE NOT.
This is my last post on this forum as I am sick and tired of idiots hoping Richmond lose or just expect that they will and wanting the opposition to win.
I bet every single one of you at least ONCE in Kingy's career went "KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGY" as he kicks a goal or "PUSH UPS YOU LEGEND" as he decks a player.
We loved his anger and ferociousness and don't ever forget it.
Gonna miss ya Kingy, You awesome angry little terrier :thumbsup :cheers :clapping
nice post but at the end of the day he was still a very ordinary player who survived at our club for way too long. far too many players exactly like king one major reason why we have only made finals 3 times in 30 something yrs. we make the same mistakes over and over and massively overrate players.
me i refuse to gloss over a players shiteness just because he has retired. i refuse to change my opinion on a player just because hes retired.
oh by the way seeing as how you like name calling, see ya later DH I for one have had enough of head in the sand morons.
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Personably always thought Byrnes was rubbish carried in a good side
When you talk about cultural issues at clubs, this is a great example of one at Richmond I reckon.
Putting more worth in a players character than their performance is a massive issue for this club.
He might be the greatest bloke in the world but in 50 years time when they look back at this era King will be seen as a nothing player.
Basically his only achievement is playing 100 games in ordinary teams.
If he is a B or a C grader then what the hell is Deledio? An A grader at the top of the level with Judd, Gary Ablett etc? Hardly.
I think you have to judge players based on positions.
if we're talking midfield then of course the way it would stand is
Ablett: Class of his own
At their prime Judd, Swan, Pendlebury: A+
I'd put Cotch, Lids, Martin as A- and the reason why they haven't been able to break into the top echelon is from being dumped with too much responsibility and duty. There's a common opinion that "leaders should always stand up" and I do agree with this but lets not forget even Gary Ablett in his maiden year at GCS couldn't single handedly drag his team over the line for the most part. Like When he kicked 4 goals, got 41 possessions in 2011 against Adelaide and the team still lost by ~10 goals. The difference being GCS had some raw talent that would do anything for Gary. RFC on the other hand have passengers whom are happy to take a pay check and just casually jog around the ground.
What I can say about King is that he is not one of the passengers whom will just waltz around the ground. He had enough respect for the fans to put in a solid effort every time he was out on the ground.
Dunno if swan was ever a plus
Judd was as good if not better than gas before op
Imo
i'm happy to respect your opinion on this. I think it's a preference for style of play and how we all see things differently. I personally never thought Judd even at his prime was better than Cousins at his prime.
I really liked Swan in 2010 I thought he should've won the brownlow in that year and Judd in 2011.
Wow
Rewatch the game eagles vs lions in qld
Judd was like 20/21
Vs
Voss black aka lappin etc
Kick 5 odd from middle 40 off touches
Would win ball on back andnturbo charge 10 metres clear
Leigh Mathews said he's close to besthhe's seen or something on that one game
No doubt gaz is top shelf too
But Judd pre op was not far off...
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nice post but at the end of the day he was still a very ordinary player who survived at our club for way too long. far too many players exactly like king one major reason why we have only made finals 3 times in 30 something yrs. we make the same mistakes over and over and massively overrate players.
me i refuse to gloss over a players pooeness just because he has retired. i refuse to change my opinion on a player just because hes retired.
oh by the way seeing as how you like name calling, see ya later DH I for one have had enough of head in the sand morons.
How have we over rated King?
We picked him up in the rookie draft so draft wise, he has cost us nothing.
King's contract from a $ point of view well he has hardly bothered the scorers.
He had to earn each and every one of his 107 games. By his own admission he was not the most talented.
Yet you have the hide to come on his retirement thread and say that he is over rated? Is it Jake's fault that he won his way into the side? Absolutely pathetic comments.
:banghead
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My point wasn't to denigrate King, I was just pointing out the tendency of the RFC to over inflate the value of players to its detriment.
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Well set up a separate thread on that topic and leave this one to people who want to remember Jakes efforts and success as a tiger footballer.
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and success as a tiger footballer.
Invisible thread?
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This is my last post on this forum
We've all heard that before and they always come back, some even under different usernames :shh. Just FO if you wanna leave DH
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VIDEO: Jake enjoying a beer with the cheer squad.
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-08-02/king-joins-tigers-faithful
(http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Media/Images/340579-tlsnewsportrait.jpg)
Push-up King feels the love
He has been the heart and soul at Punt Rd, so it was only fitting that retired small forward Jake King gave the Tiger Army one last memory to savour at the MCG. King sat among the Richmond cheer squad in the third quarter, much to the delight of the Tigers' faithful. A huge roar greeted King's arrival, and it was matched just before three-quarter time when the 107-gamer made a popular exit by skolling a beer.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-02/the-king-toasts-his-tigers
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nice post but at the end of the day he was still a very ordinary player who survived at our club for way too long. far too many players exactly like king one major reason why we have only made finals 3 times in 30 something yrs. we make the same mistakes over and over and massively overrate players.
me i refuse to gloss over a players pooeness just because he has retired. i refuse to change my opinion on a player just because hes retired.
Your entitled to your opinion claw but that doesn't make you right. Kingy won his fair share of games for this football club and put his body on the line week in and week out. Rarely was he beaten. Criticizing him in his retirement thread is pretty disrespectful to what this player put in for the football club.
If we had 22 players who went in as hard as King did, we would be playing finals every year, irrespective of any perceived deficiencies you may think they have. You can't replace the courage and the impact that has on your team when the game is there to be won. Kingy will be remembered as a tiger great.
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Jake King will not get a lap of the MCG on Grand Final day as he hasn’t played enough games
Jon Ralph
Herald Sun
August 14, 2014 9:00PM
THE AFL is adamant Jake King won’t get a Grand Final farewell lap despite Richmond coach Damien Hardwick lauding him as a “special player” crucial to the fabric of Punt Road.
The AFL’s Grand Final lap of honour is open only to players in their official “200 club” or who have won a major medal like a Brownlow, Coleman or Norm Smith Medal.
Hardwick was asked this week about a send-off for King, who thrilled the Richmond cheer squad by knocking back a beer when he sat with them at a recent game.
He said retiree King deserved that kind of farewell despite just 107 games in his eight years at Richmond.
“It is an interesting one. Someone asked me the question the other day and it is something the AFL will work their way through. They have got protocols but some players are important to the fabric of our game. Whether or not they can make exceptions I am not too sure.
“He is very small anyway, it’s not as though he would be able to see over the back of the (Toyota) Hilux they would be driving anyway.”
The AFL made it clear they could not make exceptions given the precedent it would set.
“A club can do what they like for a player at any of their matches but (at the Grand Final) a player has to be a major medallist or part of the 200 club. The standard used for the last 15 or 20 years is the 200 club. Jake is about 90 games short,’’ AFL spokesman Patrick Keane said.
The 200 club members must have played, coached or umpires games or any of the three combined.
Hardwick lauded King as a player similar to Dean Wallis at Essendon — “He might have only played 100 games, but the influence he had was similiar to Jake. They are special players to their club.”
The Tigers will need to win without King and keep on winning to qualify for September, with their first task against Adelaide at Adelaide Oval.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/jake-king-will-not-get-a-lap-of-the-mcg-on-grand-final-day-as-he-hasnt-played-enough-games/story-e6frf3e3-1227024666814
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Do a lap before the game against St Kilda and take Newman with you.
Honourably discharged from service.
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This has become a complete joke.
Can we get Oakley-Nicholls back for a lap as well?
Big Razor Hall is overdue for a spin, and Brett Evans could do with some cheering up after losing his pigeons.
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This has become a complete joke.
Can we get Oakley-Nicholls back for a lap as well?
Big Razor Hall is overdue for a spin, and Brett Evans could do with some cheering up after losing his pigeons.
:lol
I still remember the birdman wanting to rip Barnards head off., it was on like donky kong before the first bounce.
One of the few good memories.....