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Trent Cotchin wants Tigers' finals pain to 'burn in the gut'
Jon Pierik
The Age
September 9, 2014
As Richmond turns its attention to list management, captain Trent Cotchin wants the pain of another brief finals series to ensure the Tigers have a "burning desire" for redemption next season.
Still coming to terms with a stinging 57-point loss to Port Adelaide in Sunday's elimination final, Cotchin took time out from the club's Mad Monday celebration to make clear it was crucial his team understood how precious finals campaigns were.
The Tigers have been crunched on the opening weekend of the finals in successive years, having fallen to a resurgent Carlton after half-time last year.
"That [loss to the Power] will live with us over summer and, hopefully, now we have been in the position twice, the boys are now really starting to understand that opportunities don't come around a lot," Cotchin said.
"We had to work really hard to get that opportunity this year but we need to make sure that that has that little bit of burning desire sitting in your gut throughout the pre-season, going into next season."
Cotchin, who became more vocal and demanding on individuals as a captain as the season unfolded, will seek greater accountability over summer. Ruckman Ivan Maric revealed in July the "training standards and standards around the footy club" the Tigers had set last year had slipped to the mid-point of the season, when the club's leadership group and coach Damien Hardwick dealt with the issue.
Having slumped to 3-10, the Tigers would enjoy a nine-game surge leading into the finals before they were flattened by a hostile Power at Adelaide Oval.
Cotchin said the year's events would help the Tigers in the long term.
"We didn't start the year exactly how we wanted to. We showed a lot of resolve to get back up and win some games," he said.
"We take some confidence going into finals. Obviously, we didn't perform yesterday but there are a lot of lessons we have learnt throughout this year that I think will hold us in good stead."
Moving on could also yet feature a prominent name from a rival club, with football operations boss Dan Richardson revealing mid-year the Tigers had room in their salary cap to poach key talent.
Cotchin said it was going to be a "tough" pre-season, with the Tigers to go "about driving those behaviours and standards that you can't afford to let slip at any stage".
He again defended his decision to kick against the breeze in the first term on Sunday after winning the toss.
"It probably just wasn't my decision. Jack (Riewoldt) and the forwards discuss it as well," he said.
"I don't think the wind was a big (factor), I think it was more just that they were willing to outwork and outhunt us in the early stages.
"We probably coughed the ball up, which let them get it out on the outside. They (Power) kicked 7.1 or 8.1 in the first quarter, which is very straight kicking. A lead like that in the first quarter of a final is always hard to grind back."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/trent-cotchin-wants-tigers-finals-pain-to-burn-in-the-gut-20140908-10dzcx.html
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STFU no one gives a poo. Sooo many words, very little action.
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I heard the same poo this time last year.
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This bloke is a comedian
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Would love to hear something like this:
"Yes it was achievement to make finals after the start we had. BUT, our start to the season was unacceptable and what we put out there on SUnday was beyond unacceptable. Our members & supporters deserved better and we are sorry. We have to live with it and the work to make sure it doesn't happen again and it starts now......"
Then not another word
And I don't think it helps the cause to make any comments dressed as a member of Kiss on Mad Monday, to have Mad Monday was a bad look a shocking IMHO
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Would love to hear something like this:
"Yes it was achievement to make finals after the start we had. BUT, our start to the season was unacceptable and what we put out there on SUnday was beyond unacceptable. Our members & supporters deserved better and we are sorry. We have to live with it and the work to make sure it doesn't happen again and it starts now......"
Then not another word
And I don't think it helps the cause to make any comments dressed as a member of Kiss on Mad Monday, to have Mad Monday was a bad look a shocking IMHO
To be honest, I don't care what Cotchin says. He can enjoy Mad Monday. All I care about now are actions. Raising the bar at preseason to a much higher level. Starting next year as a dynamic force and not like cream puffs...
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Déjà vu form last year and it will be spoken about for the rest of next year just like it was at the start of this year... :sleep
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Interesting
Straight off the plane at 10.35pm in Melb
Straight to Eve Night Club
Front up next day at Mad Monday at the Sporting Globe in Richmond
While the supporters are left to bleed
Interesting
Great experience at Adelaide but really gutted with the result and non competitive nature of the game
Watched the replay last night
Port were playing against " witches hats "
Terrible Terrible performance
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Wasn't this the same article from this time last year?
Obviously last year's loss didn't burn too hard for the boys.
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Personally the season ended after the siren. I'm not really interested in what the players say or do at Mad Monday or over the pre season. They can say as much as they want.
Where we need to improve is personal and hope the club is ruthless in off season. I'm more interested in the club coming out and saying we aren't top 4 quality, we need to be and we will be throwing up anyone for trade for the right price. We want a premiership and the current group is mid table. Not a heap of work is needed but we want a premiership and will do anything to get it.
Go hard at Pearce Hanley. Need an elite outside rebounding defender. Houli is crap.
Get Jamie Elliot. Pies need a forward, they can have Vickery.
Get Nick Malceski in Free Agency.
Players can say what ever they want. If the club puts them on notice then we will see action. Get real RFC.
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Heard the same things last year. Stop the interviews have a break and come back with actions speaking louder than words...
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theyre not good enough. they've fired their best shots the last 2 years and all they have is 7th and 8th positions. we have to all face facts we're not good enough.
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theyre not good enough. they've fired their best shots the last 2 years and all they have is 7th and 8th positions. we have to all face facts we're not good enough.
That's obvious Ramps. I want to see what they do to fix this. Re-signing Newman isn't the greatest first step......
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These blokes don't bleed yellow & black.
If last years finals debacle wasn't enough to wake you up to mediocrity than what is?
It's this sort of near enough attitude is what tops up with Hamspud & Thomas. :banghead
I hope they realise that they are still miles off getting into top four.
It's this sort of B.S. that tries to play down the fact that kicking against the wind was the single most stupid decision in finals history.
Own up to your mistakes Cotchin and don't hide behind bullcrap rhetoric and disingenuous footy club spin.
How about showing us that your truly SORRY for letting us down yet again.
Rubbish!
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Sick of words and I thought it was already burning from last year? Didn look like it.
Don't deserve a mad monday and next year, I know it won't happen I don wanna hear poo SHOW ME!!!!!
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Seriously dont know what you guys expect with club PR dishing up media spin
I would suggest you ignore the crap that comes out but I know how people like to use Caps, Bolds and excalmation marks
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Whatever Trevor and der
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Maric and/or Rance for captain IMO.
Heard this crap last year.
Blokes are content/complacent being also-rans.
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Seriously dont know what you guys expect with club PR dishing up media spin
I would suggest you ignore the crap that comes out but I know how people like to use Caps, Bolds and excalmation marks
BLOODY OATH!!!
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To be honest, I don't care what Cotchin says. He can enjoy Mad Monday. All I care about now are actions. Raising the bar at preseason to a much higher level. Starting next year as a dynamic force and not like cream puffs...
That's part of the problem for me - Mad Monday.
Yesterday was not the day for it. Should be later in the week.
I don't want them "enjoying" Mad Monday the day after they put in such a horrendous effort. Fans are hurting (again) and Mad Mondays don't present the notion that the players are hurting.
Agree actions are what matter have been saying it all season but yesterday the actions coupled with the words were disappointing and a terrible look
Interesting
Straight off the plane at 10.35pm in Melb
Straight to Eve Night Club
Front up next day at Mad Monday at the Sporting Globe in Richmond
While the supporters are left to bleed
Interesting
Great experience at Adelaide but really gutted with the result and non competitive nature of the game
Watched the replay last night
Port were playing against " witches hats "
Terrible Terrible performance
Can't dispute any of that Jack. Everyone who went over were so upbeat pre-game and then by qtr time the same folks were gutted.
Mad Monday was a terrible look IMHO
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STFU no one gives a poo. Sooo many words, very little action.
:clapping
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To be honest, I don't care what Cotchin says. He can enjoy Mad Monday. All I care about now are actions. Raising the bar at preseason to a much higher level. Starting next year as a dynamic force and not like cream puffs...
That's part of the problem for me - Mad Monday.
Yesterday was not the day for it. Should be later in the week.
I don't want them "enjoying" Mad Monday the day after they put in such a horrendous effort. Fans are hurting (again) and Mad Mondays don't present the notion that the players are hurting.
Agree actions are what matter have been saying it all season but yesterday the actions coupled with the words were disappointing and a terrible look
Interesting
Straight off the plane at 10.35pm in Melb
Straight to Eve Night Club
Front up next day at Mad Monday at the Sporting Globe in Richmond
While the supporters are left to bleed
Interesting
Great experience at Adelaide but really gutted with the result and non competitive nature of the game
Watched the replay last night
Port were playing against " witches hats "
Terrible Terrible performance
Can't dispute any of that Jack. Everyone who went over were so upbeat pre-game and then by qtr time the same folks were gutted.
Mad Monday was a terrible look IMHO
WP were you really? I mean i have to ask. I was there too and was laughing by the end. Those days are over where i care too much about this pathetic club, unless they lose a final to the scum like they did last year.
Is it really that much of a surprise? I mean just sit back and have a think about it.
Won 8 on the trot, list is still littered with spuds, Newman still there occupying the list, no a graders found post 20 since i was 2 years old etc etc
I watched the first quarter then retreated behind the cheer squad big scoreboard to sink suds for the rest of the game.
Am i peeed off? Yes i called the club first think Monday and cancelled my upgrade to Maurice Rioli i had previously said i wanted the week before.
Am i shocked? Not in the slightest
I have set my bar very low with these cowboys so when games like sunday occur i dont care as much
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To be honest, I don't care what Cotchin says. He can enjoy Mad Monday. All I care about now are actions. Raising the bar at preseason to a much higher level. Starting next year as a dynamic force and not like cream puffs...
That's part of the problem for me - Mad Monday.
Yesterday was not the day for it. Should be later in the week.
I don't want them "enjoying" Mad Monday the day after they put in such a horrendous effort. Fans are hurting (again) and Mad Mondays don't present the notion that the players are hurting.
Agree actions are what matter have been saying it all season but yesterday the actions coupled with the words were disappointing and a terrible look
Interesting
Straight off the plane at 10.35pm in Melb
Straight to Eve Night Club
Front up next day at Mad Monday at the Sporting Globe in Richmond
While the supporters are left to bleed
Interesting
Great experience at Adelaide but really gutted with the result and non competitive nature of the game
Watched the replay last night
Port were playing against " witches hats "
Terrible Terrible performance
Can't dispute any of that Jack. Everyone who went over were so upbeat pre-game and then by qtr time the same folks were gutted.
Mad Monday was a terrible look IMHO
Their season finished on the final siren on Sunday. If you then say it's a bad look celebrating on Monday, that is strictly your opinion. There are no rules saying you must give 48 hours of reflection after a game before you can celebrate!
I reiterate it makes no difference what the playing group do now. The only thing that counts at all is them driving training standards up through the roof and becoming a yop 4 side next year. That is the only way they can apologise for last Sunday. Norhing more and definitely nothing less!
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Yessss big Gussy :clapping
Agree I'll only be gutted when we lose to a big 4 team. Only because of their pain in the arse fans. :banghead
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Monday should have been a day of harsh reflection
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To be honest, I don't care what Cotchin says. He can enjoy Mad Monday. All I care about now are actions. Raising the bar at preseason to a much higher level. Starting next year as a dynamic force and not like cream puffs...
That's part of the problem for me - Mad Monday.
Yesterday was not the day for it. Should be later in the week.
I don't want them "enjoying" Mad Monday the day after they put in such a horrendous effort. Fans are hurting (again) and Mad Mondays don't present the notion that the players are hurting.
Agree actions are what matter have been saying it all season but yesterday the actions coupled with the words were disappointing and a terrible look
Interesting
Straight off the plane at 10.35pm in Melb
Straight to Eve Night Club
Front up next day at Mad Monday at the Sporting Globe in Richmond
While the supporters are left to bleed
Interesting
Great experience at Adelaide but really gutted with the result and non competitive nature of the game
Watched the replay last night
Port were playing against " witches hats "
Terrible Terrible performance
Can't dispute any of that Jack. Everyone who went over were so upbeat pre-game and then by qtr time the same folks were gutted.
Mad Monday was a terrible look IMHO
Their season finished on the final siren on Sunday. If you then say it's a bad look celebrating on Monday, that is strictly your opinion. There are no rules saying you must give 48 hours of reflection after a game before you can celebrate!
I reiterate it makes no difference what the playing group do now. The only thing that counts at all is them driving training standards up through the roof and becoming a yop 4 side next year. That is the only way they can apologise for last Sunday. Norhing more and definitely nothing less!
Agree, imagine if they had to pamper to everyones feelings about the correct timing, seasons done and over time to move on
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WP were you really? I mean i have to ask. I was there too and was laughing by the end. Those days are over where i care too much about this pathetic club, unless they lose a final to the scum like they did last year.
Angus, I know folks who were gutted by the result but probably gutted more by the effort (or lack there of).
Personally I was gutted for about 5 mins in the 1st qtr more so by the lack of effort than anything. Then after that 5 min of multi emotions I was just simply non-plussed by the whole thing (again). As I said the end result didn't really surprise me
TBH I was probably more peeved seeing kids so upset, they deserve better because they don't understand and aren't as immune to it as so many of us have become over time
Their season finished on the final siren on Sunday. If you then say it's a bad look celebrating on Monday, that is strictly your opinion. There are no rules saying you must give 48 hours of reflection after a game before you can celebrate!
I reiterate it makes no difference what the playing group do now. The only thing that counts at all is them driving training standards up through the roof and becoming a yop 4 side next year. That is the only way they can apologise for last Sunday. Norhing more and definitely nothing less!
Technically their season hasn't finsihed at all. Games have finished but they are all still contracted to 31 October and have at least one very important official function to attend on 4 weeks. They also have their final season review things (exit interviews) to go through so their season isn't over.
Also, and importantly I don't really think they had anything to celebrate and yes that's a personal view and I won't apologise for it. Just think it could have been done in a far better way than it was.
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Technically their season hasn't finsihed at all. Games have finished but they are all still contracted to 31 October and have at least one very important official function to attend on 4 weeks. They also have their final season review things (exit interviews) to go through so their season isn't over.
FMD pedantic much
TBH I was probably more peeved seeing kids so upset, they deserve better because they don't understand and aren't as immune to it as so many of us have become over time
Well they probably need a bit of tough love then from Claw's school of fathering
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To be honest, I don't care what Cotchin says. He can enjoy Mad Monday. All I care about now are actions. Raising the bar at preseason to a much higher level. Starting next year as a dynamic force and not like cream puffs...
That's part of the problem for me - Mad Monday.
Yesterday was not the day for it. Should be later in the week.
I don't want them "enjoying" Mad Monday the day after they put in such a horrendous effort. Fans are hurting (again) and Mad Mondays don't present the notion that the players are hurting.
Agree actions are what matter have been saying it all season but yesterday the actions coupled with the words were disappointing and a terrible look
Interesting
Straight off the plane at 10.35pm in Melb
Straight to Eve Night Club
Front up next day at Mad Monday at the Sporting Globe in Richmond
While the supporters are left to bleed
Interesting
Great experience at Adelaide but really gutted with the result and non competitive nature of the game
Watched the replay last night
Port were playing against " witches hats "
Terrible Terrible performance
Can't dispute any of that Jack. Everyone who went over were so upbeat pre-game and then by qtr time the same folks were gutted.
Mad Monday was a terrible look IMHO
I think, outsideof rrance and a couple others, most had their minds on their first pill at the club
Early in the game
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Is that before or after he played air guitar for "I was made for loving you".
Sounds like I heard this sort of stuff this time last year. :help
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I don't want them "enjoying" Mad Monday the day after they put in such a horrendous effort. Fans are hurting (again) and Mad Mondays don't present the notion that the players are hurting.
No better way to cure your hurting than getting on the grog, something these boys can't do for most of the year. Each to their own but I don't care whether they have Mad Monday or not
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Every club does Mad Monday.
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I don't want them "enjoying" Mad Monday the day after they put in such a horrendous effort. Fans are hurting (again) and Mad Mondays don't present the notion that the players are hurting.
No better way to cure your hurting than getting on the grog, something these boys can't do for most of the year. Each to their own but I don't care whether they have Mad Monday or not
Never said not to have a "Mad Monday" just saying IMESHO it shouldn't have been the day after the game, a final where they didn't show up, where they were simply woeful. If it had of been today or tomorrow, wouldn't care less. But on Monday was not a good look
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Mad Tuesday doesnt have the same ring to it
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theyre not good enough. they've fired their best shots the last 2 years and all they have is 7th and 8th positions. we have to all face facts we're not good enough.
Yep. The reality is if we "fixed" our issues in h2 of the season the final would be a better reflection on where we really are as a club.
We are no better than a 7th or 8th placed club.
The free agency becomes interesting - it has definitely helped the Roos and Bombers who probably beat us had we played them on the weekend. I still think we've done well to get this far from 2010 -we got us here won't get us to the top 4.
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Mad Tuesday doesnt have the same ring to it
Could make it Troppo Tuesday ;D
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Mad Tuesday doesnt have the same ring to it
Could make it Troppo Tuesday ;D
Sounds good and if WP wants to make it Wednesday, then it could be Wacky Wednesday
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It should become kicking the excrement out of the pricks what failed again under pressure Monday which is pretty much like the paddling of the swollen arses after sunday.
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Think the issue was more with whichever muppet from the RFC decided to invite the media along.
Plenty of other clubs had Mad Monday and weren't all over the news.
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Think the issue was more with whichever muppet from the RFC decided to invite the media along.
Plenty of other clubs had Mad Monday and weren't all over the news.
Fair point
Saw Dan Richardson on the news leading Cotchin to the media outside the sporting globe
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Mad Tuesday doesnt have the same ring to it
Could make it Troppo Tuesday ;D
Sounds good and if WP wants to make it Wednesday, then it could be Wacky Wednesday
Troud Thursday
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Mad Tuesday doesnt have the same ring to it
Could make it Troppo Tuesday ;D
Sounds good and if WP wants to make it Wednesday, then it could be Wacky Wednesday
Troud Thursday
Frivolous friday, satanic saturday, silly sunday.
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Mad Tuesday doesnt have the same ring to it
Nor does elimination losers
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They should of called it Smashed on Sunday Monday
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Hopefully the got bad pills
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I've decided Cotchin isn't the man to be Captain now.
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I've decided Cotchin isn't the man to be Captain now.
I'm buying him a windsock for Christmas..... ;D
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Would love to hear something like this:
"Yes it was achievement to make finals after the start we had. BUT, our start to the season was unacceptable and what we put out there on SUnday was beyond unacceptable. Our members & supporters deserved better and we are sorry. We have to live with it and the work to make sure it doesn't happen again and it starts now......"
Then not another word
And I don't think it helps the cause to make any comments dressed as a member of Kiss on Mad Monday, to have Mad Monday was a bad look a shocking IMHO
To be honest, I don't care what Cotchin says. He can enjoy Mad Monday. All I care about now are actions. Raising the bar at preseason to a much higher level. Starting next year as a dynamic force and not like cream puffs...
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