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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: potsclub on September 09, 2014, 02:24:09 PM
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RICHMOND has acted quickly following its elimination final defeat, cutting seven players from its list, including forward Aaron Edwards.
Brett O'Hanlon and Brad Helbig have also been delisted, as well as rookies Orren Stephenson, Ben Darrou, Cadeyn Williams and Todd Banfield.
They join retiring pair Jake King and Daniel Jackson in leaving the club.
"We’d like to thank all of these players for their hard work during their time at the Richmond football club," football manager Dan Richardson said.
"They have each made their own contribution to the club and we wish them all the best in their future endeavours."
Full article:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-09-09/richmond-list-changes
What do you all think?
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Predictable and soft.
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Why no delist Grigg?
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No surprises there. None of them were playing senior footy this year and weren't going to be part of our future.
You'd expect now we will go after another ruckman to put on our rookie list.
The question now is will we continue with the moneyball recruiting of mature rookies or go back to using the rookie list to develop youngsters who miss out in the National Draft?
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RICHMOND has acted quickly following its elimination final defeat, cutting seven players from its list
I see.
So, they lose another final and then fire everyone in the two's ?
lol
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RICHMOND has acted quickly following its elimination final defeat, cutting seven players from its list
I see.
So, they lose another final and then fire everyone in the two's ?
lol
Lol indeed.
How many AFL games did we get from this bunch? 50?
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Why no delist Grigg?
Hard to delist a player who is contracted for another year ;).
Predictable and soft.
Any 'names' won't be offloaded until the trade period (if they will be). Today is for the predictable ones.
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Disappointed about Darrou but knew it was coming - can't re-rookie again and they weren't going to upgrade him yet....maybe we can put him on the VFL list with a hope of winning a senior spot in 2016 if he keeps improving and no-one picks him up first.
Relieved Arnot is still there - unless there's another lot of axings still to come.
The rest are no great loss.
RICHMOND has acted quickly following its elimination final defeat, cutting seven players from its list
I see.
So, they lose another final and then fire everyone in the two's ?
lol
Because most of the duds in the one's are still contracted and we have to let Newy hobble around for a farewell tour. List management at it's finest.
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"We’d like to thank all of these players for their hard work during their time at the Richmond football club," football manager Dan Richardson said.
Is there a more insincere testimonial on offer, anywhere?
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"We’d like to thank all of these players for their hard work during their time at the Richmond football club," football manager Dan Richardson said.
Is there a more insincere testimonial on offer, anywhere?
Every club trots that one out. Standard corporatespeak bullshyte.
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I suppose its not so much who we get rid of but more who we replace them with. If we get 7 quality replacements that at least knock on the door of the AFL side then at least we see some tangible improvement with the list. As many have said we need leg speed and football smart players, hardworking all rounders are a necessary part of a top 4 team but without the gamebreakers you just stay as a middle of the road side. Need to get more creative with our recruiting and nab the next Polec or Miles without losing much ourselves unless we can put out some bait out there and catch a bigger fish.
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that's what i mean.
Cliche gold.lolz
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That's nine spots up for grabs with 5 senior spots and 4 rookie spots.
I'm not sure if it's worth having more than 6-7 kids drafted with 2-3 rookies and/or free agent/trades.
I reckon we will trade 1 or 2 players so the overall change to the list will be reasonable significant.
Newman is the luckiest bloke on our list.
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AIts a crime that Newman is still getting a game. Absolute crime.
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Newman is the luckiest bloke on our list.
In Australia
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AIts a crime that Newman is still getting a game. Absolute crime.
will play 22 next year
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No surprises there. None of them were playing senior footy this year and weren't going to be part of our future.
You'd expect now we will go after another ruckman to put on our rookie list.
The question now is will we continue with the moneyball recruiting of mature rookies or go back to using the rookie list to develop youngsters who miss out in the National Draft?
I think O'Hanlon played one game of AFL football this year. Can't remember if Stevenson did. Sad Darrou never got a chance. Glad Arnot not cut but agree could be further cuts. Agree initial cuts were soft decisions.
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Stephenson played in the Dogs match IIRC.
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I don't agree with Darrou, there must be more behind it???
He will go somewhere and lest see how that pans out.. :-\
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Stephenson played in the Dogs match IIRC.
Sure did. Did a decent job and was dropped for the big hammer. :bow
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I don't agree with Darrou, there must be more behind it???
He will go somewhere and lest see how that pans out.. :-\
Book marked
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Newman should be on that list Petterd,Grigg,Arnot,and Hampson and Knights.How some of these guys got contracts is laughable.
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Inspirational list management
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"We’d like to thank all of these players for their hard work during their time at the Richmond football club," football manager Dan Richardson said.
Is there a more insincere testimonial on offer, anywhere?
What were you thinking? Let's humiliate them even further perhaps
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"We’d like to thank all of these players for their hard work during their time at the Richmond football club," football manager Dan Richardson said.
Is there a more insincere testimonial on offer, anywhere?
What were you thinking? Let's humiliate them even further perhaps
:lol :lol
Looking forward to the day where the Melbourne footy manager thanks the players for completely destroying the club. ;D
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So, if Miles, Thomas and Lloyd get upgrades to the senior list, does that leave just two spots for the draft?
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RICHMOND has acted quickly following its elimination final defeat, cutting seven players from its list
I see.
So, they lose another final and then fire everyone in the two's ?
lol
Yep and replace them with people who can play in ones and push our duds into the twos. No point cutting the players in the ones (bar some of them *cough* Newman *cough*) because then we'd have no one who could play.
So, if Miles, Thomas and Lloyd get upgrades to the senior list, does that leave just two spots for the draft?
Lloyd is already on list proper isn't he? I doubt we'll upgrade Thomas either, it's not like other clubs want to get their hands on him :shh
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Id call delisting only 5 players off the main list a shallow cut.
We must think we are close
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Id call delisting only 5 players off the main list a shallow cut.
We must think we are close
locked & loaded
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Id call delisting only 5 players off the main list a shallow cut.
We must think we are close
Cherry ripe
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No surprises
Hopefully after trade week there might be some more action
But I doubt it
Actually I'd settle for some daring action during trade week
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How Arnott survived is beyond belief
Surely they can't trot him out again in 2015
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How Arnott survived is beyond belief
Surely they can't trot him out again in 2015
Remember Jack there's still trade week to go.
So perhaps we put some up for trade and if that doesn't work there will be more delistings
Then again who knows?
There's been a lot of perplexing decisions regarding our list &selections all season
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When you look at the guys cut today how many played games between them lucky 5.Harder decsions and a massive reality check of were we are is needed by the football department.
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How Arnott survived is beyond belief
Surely they can't trot him out again in 2015
Get a clue.
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Easy targets! Predictable and NO hard calls!
Grigg, Petterd, Foley, S.Edwards, Conca, Batchelor, Hampson, Vickery SHOULD all
be in the GUN!
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:thumbsup
I don't agree with Darrou, there must be more behind it???
He will go somewhere and lest see how that pans out.. :-\
No doubt dominate...........
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How Arnott survived is beyond belief
Surely they can't trot him out again in 2015
2015 is arnotts year. make or break for him. I reckon he could be playing some senior footy with no jacko.
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How Arnott survived is beyond belief
Surely they can't trot him out again in 2015
2015 is arnotts year. make or break for him. I reckon he could be playing some senior footy with no jacko.
There was no Jako for most of this year. ;)
As you said make or break. 15 games minimum next year or he's goneskis.
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How Arnott survived is beyond belief
Surely they can't trot him out again in 2015
2015 is arnotts year. make or break for him. I reckon he could be playing some senior footy with no jacko.
There was no Jako for most of this year. ;)
As you said make or break. 15 games minimum next year or he's goneskis.
True, i have a feeling the club would want to be putting work into a long term solution ( arnott ) rather than a quick fix ( Thomas ). Who knows though lol.
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How Arnott survived is beyond belief
Surely they can't trot him out again in 2015
Get a clue.
Immature reply. I agree Arnott should be delisted if he isn't traded
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There is interest in Arnot, hence not delisted. Until he has a contract he's not safe yet. Doubt the interest is all that serious and it's probably a matter of waiting to see if he's delisted.
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There is interest in Arnot, hence not delisted. Until he has a contract he's not safe yet. Doubt the interest is all that serious and it's probably a matter of waiting to see if he's delisted.
Would take a 4th rounder IMO
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How Arnott survived is beyond belief
Surely they can't trot him out again in 2015
Get a clue.
Immature reply. I agree Arnott should be delisted if he isn't traded
Stating that Arnot surviving is "beyond belief" is clearly the comment of someone who's seen stuff all of him and is therefore clueless.
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That or he doesn't rate his poor skills, decision making or temperament
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That or he doesn't rate his poor skills, decision making or temperament
Clueless either way because temperament is his only real issue of those three, the other two are not. If he were delisted soley on those two criteria , then just off the top of my head Houli (decision making) Grigg (decision making & skills), Thomas (decision making & skills), Batchelor (decision making & skills) Conca (descision making , skills & temperament if you want to chuck that in, in fact you could argue temperament for Houli & Chaplin as well because panicking under pressure is also a temperament issue) should all get the arse before him.
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I'm not convinced with Arnot, but if we are going to persist with him as a flanker/pocket type rather than as the inside mid he was recruited as, then we may as well give him the arse. Won't make it in that role IMO
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I'm not convinced with Arnot, but if we are going to persist with him as a flanker/pocket type rather than as the inside mid he was recruited as, then we may as well give him the arse. Won't make it in that role IMO
I agree there... it's his secondary position at best - dunno why he was played there (and I don't buy the "tank" or the "teaching versatilty" arguments - not for the whole game), the last match was particularly baffling when Hardwick pretty much reversed his & Petterd's natural roles after Arnot was brought in for Thomas.
It is interesting to note however that his returns in the position were still comparable to the much lauded Jake King's output over his career up forward but with more tackles - even when he only played three quarters. Not as great as King during that purple patch he had , but considering age & experience and the fact it wasn't his primary position, they weren't bad..and he can find the goals ok too.
He might not have set the world on fire in his few senior appearances but he never looked out of his depth to me. People forget before he was injured last year he was starting to look quite comfortable -his last game in 2013 IIRC was the big win over Hawthorn- and during his best runs of form in the VFL he often looked a class above.
FWIW - as you said and I did in my first post in this thread - he still may not survive if there's a second round of axings this year. Hardwick & some others at the club have never really rated him as highly as most of the assistants do.
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So, if Miles, Thomas and Lloyd get upgrades to the senior list, does that leave just two spots for the draft?
Lloyd is already on list proper isn't he? I doubt we'll upgrade Thomas either, it's not like other clubs want to get their hands on him :shh
Yep, Lloyd was already on our senior list as he was pick 66 in last year's National Draft and Miles has already been permanently upgraded to the senior list with his new two year deal. So it's only Thomas left. Currently he's classed as being on the senior list (see RFC website) after being promoted prior to round 1.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/players/senior-players
Remember King and Jackson have also retired which frees up two spots.
So right now we have 35 senior listed players which gives us 3 picks in the National Draft.
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I'm not convinced with Arnot, but if we are going to persist with him as a flanker/pocket type rather than as the inside mid he was recruited as, then we may as well give him the arse. Won't make it in that role IMO
Don't believe he was originally recruited as an inside mid. I believe from watching VFL he plays his best football as an inside mid. If he survives he is going to have to have big 2015 as otherwise he is gone. Dea similarly is going to have to have a big year next year otherwise his position will be at risk as well.
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I'm not convinced with Arnot, but if we are going to persist with him as a flanker/pocket type rather than as the inside mid he was recruited as, then we may as well give him the arse. Won't make it in that role IMO
Don't believe he was originally recruited as an inside mid. I believe from watching VFL he plays his best football as an inside mid. If he survives he is going to have to have big 2015 as otherwise he is gone. Dea similarly is going to have to have a big year next year otherwise his position will be at risk as well.
Yep would have to be last year for both unless they take a big leap forward
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For me it's not the end of the world if Biccy gets another year but I don't think he has shown enough to persist with. Crash and bash ability seems to be the only thing he can do above average. Skills, pace , poise are lacking for mine.
Give us your thoughts on the matter Dioc, but try not to get your jocks in a twist because others don't rate him as much as you do.
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That or he doesn't rate his poor skills, decision making or temperament
Clueless either way because temperament is his only real issue of those three, the other two are not. If he were delisted soley on those two criteria , then just off the top of my head Houli (decision making) Grigg (decision making & skills), Thomas (decision making & skills), Batchelor (decision making & skills) Conca (descision making , skills & temperament if you want to chuck that in, in fact you could argue temperament for Houli & Chaplin as well because panicking under pressure is also a temperament issue) should all get the arse before him.
So people who have differing opinions are clueless? ::). All those others have something else to fall back on that far outweigh Arnots only redeeming quality which is his crash and bash body and mindset. If you think he has good skills I don't know how you can't rate any of the others skills (except for Thomas and Batchelor) and that's just focusing on their preferred side. Have you ever seen Arnott use his right side? I have only at training and his partner probably did a few extra km's than anyone else that session (exaggeration but you should get my point).
On your other point that wasn't directed to me, I agree. Was silly and probably unfair to bring him in and play him out of position and expect him as a young player to put in a good performance but then drop him straight away.
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Arnott is poo
Thomas. Grigg. Jackson. Newman. Houli are superior
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The cuts did not go deep enough. Hampson should have been delisted for one thing.
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