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Title: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Phil Mrakov on September 13, 2014, 10:26:57 PM
Winning a final last year from nowhere and now winning 2 finals and into a prelim while we bathe in mediocrity.

Port is what we should be right now. I'm so jealous of them
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: The Big Richo on September 13, 2014, 10:32:53 PM
Better coach.
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Phil Mrakov on September 13, 2014, 10:35:21 PM
Better coach.
We had our chance to get him
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Smokey on September 13, 2014, 10:38:58 PM
Better coach.

Fair chunk of the problem I reckon.
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Phil Mrakov on September 13, 2014, 10:40:05 PM
If we don't win a final next year should Hardwick go ?
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: The Big Richo on September 13, 2014, 10:44:10 PM
Yes for mine, that would be two failed seasons in a row.
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: tdy on September 13, 2014, 10:55:14 PM
Better list and better Coach. They had a coach who had lost tbe players, new coach is getting the best out of tbe list.  I always picked him as a good Coach.  They also have a club culture that has a history of winning so the people Hinkley inherited would have been better.

Gray, Westhoff, Cornes, Wingard were all before Hinkley. Wines is in his time. They have 12 or 13 1st round draft picks, someone in their draft dept knows his poo. 

Says how u need the whole package as a club though, drafting itself just isnt enough.
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: tdy on September 13, 2014, 10:58:19 PM
Hinkley.

Our defense holds us up, the rest is just off that.

Love a Coach who has a clue that defense and defensive rebound is the key.
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: bojangles17 on September 13, 2014, 11:00:28 PM
stuff PA and the horse they rode in on...they're a bunch of arseholes
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: 🏅Dooks on September 13, 2014, 11:01:42 PM
Jarate throwing behinds
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: TigerLand on September 13, 2014, 11:18:00 PM
Disagree with a better list statement. They have a heap of B graders like us but I reckon our A graders are worth way more that theirs on the open market. Gray and Boak would be no greater than Cotchin and Martin. Riewoldt would be worth more than Westhoff. Rance more than Carlisle.

They have a better leader than we do. Boak is class. Also they have a heap of match winners. We probably have 1, maybe 2 in Martin and Riewoldt. Deledio is a bit like Pavlich and misses big goals quite a bit. He'd be close but Lids goes missing a bit when the game is their to be one. Certainly has done great things but not known to be a consistent match winner. Jack and Dusty win games when its on the line. If they are up and about when its needed, we can win off their ability.

Port have, Boak, Wines, Wingard, Monfries and Westhoff. If any of those guys get let lose when the game is on the line the opposition are in trouble.

A mixture of better leadership, match winning ability and certainly coaching tactics and game plan. Ports game plan is innovative, brilliant and perfect for their list.
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Judge Roughneck on September 13, 2014, 11:21:58 PM
I think a deledio or Martin would fit in good at port

Given the Schultz, whites trials
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 14, 2014, 01:15:20 AM
the answer mrakov is culture. Those clubs have the best while we have one of the worst in the league.

Chris newman says hello
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Phil Mrakov on September 14, 2014, 01:53:51 AM
the answer mrakov is culture. Those clubs have the best while we have one of the worst in the league.

Chris newman says hello
True. Richmond could've had Geelong's list from 2007-11 and we'd still find a way to stuff things up due to the poo culture
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: dwaino on September 14, 2014, 03:42:25 AM
They are getting much more from their plodders.
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: MintOnLamb on September 14, 2014, 06:17:19 AM
This is a great thread and in reality identifies some if our issues. Culture, Port identifying players like Monfries and White, while we get Thomas and Hampson, Port taking a balanced risk on Hinkley, Port obviously have a very good team looking at league recycled players, Dimma picks up players he knew during his Port time, we did well picking up Miles, but our favourites culture is evident in that it took so long to play Miles when blind Freddy could see what we all now know.
Our recruiting dept and list management is what should be overhauled drastically IMMEDIATELY, we have money, identify the best list management people and get them to RFC, Also our match selection panel needs a massive rocket up their backsides, esp putting Newman into that final team.
Thats my rant and as an aside, Freo must also be scratching their heads this morning.
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: bojangles17 on September 14, 2014, 06:21:48 AM
I agree with that, FMD, jake Meade has been dominating, all 70kg of him    :o
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Chuck17 on September 14, 2014, 06:51:48 AM
Thread needs to be merged with the other Poort one
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Smokey on September 14, 2014, 08:31:12 AM
Yes for mine, that would be two failed seasons in a row.

x 2
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: The Big Richo on September 14, 2014, 11:52:46 AM
Actually I'll expand on my comment.

Better coach and better President.
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Chuck17 on September 14, 2014, 02:16:59 PM
The guy who holds the board up needs to be improved on to
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: TigerMonk on September 14, 2014, 02:51:07 PM
Where are crap because our players just boot the ball forward in hope. Hope players, But when skill is required & gut running they simply lift their hand to fob it off to another player. They over  use the ball & trap themselves & the turnovers kill them on the scoreboard, while our forwards go chasing kicks they get trapped again. They have no freakin idea at most times.
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Golfprotiger on September 14, 2014, 08:00:21 PM
Better coach.

Just listen to the way he gos about his press conferences for starters.... Positive, take them on, have a crack. Haven't heard that from our Dimma much........
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 14, 2014, 08:21:19 PM
Better coach.

Just listen to the way he gos about his press conferences for starters.... Positive, take them on, have a crack. Haven't heard that from our Dimma much........

port adelaide way.....

what do we get? didnt perform with my mrs in bed rubbish. we are playing better than last year...

Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Owl on September 15, 2014, 08:55:02 AM
either they tanked or they are all on peptide and speed while asada are busy with essendope
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Chuck17 on September 16, 2014, 05:07:27 PM
Winning a final last year from nowhere and now winning 2 finals and into a prelim while we bathe in mediocrity.

Port is what we should be right now. I'm so jealous of them

I want to have the hairstyle of Robbie Gray
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 16, 2014, 05:40:19 PM
While you're at it, can you explain how Collingwood went from 4th in 2012 to 11th?
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 16, 2014, 05:48:43 PM
While you're at it, can you explain how Collingwood went from 4th in 2012 to 11th?
Collingwood went from Premiers in 2010 to 4th in 2012.  They recognised they had to rebuild and off loaded expensive players that were past it and traded and drafted well for the future.  They are aiming at top 4 in 2016 and premiers in 2017.  That is what they told their members at the forum night.
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: tony_montana on September 16, 2014, 06:06:55 PM
While you're at it, can you explain how Collingwood went from 4th in 2012 to 11th?
Collingwood went from Premiers in 2010 to 4th in 2012. They recognised they had to rebuild bc buckley couldn't control the premiership list Mick had developed (which was just entering its prime), so off loaded important players and ruined the clubs chance of a mini golden period.  They are aiming at top 4 in 2016 and premiers in 2017, but will sack Buckley before then

fixed
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on September 16, 2014, 06:38:07 PM
While you're at it, can you explain how Collingwood went from 4th in 2012 to 11th?
Collingwood went from Premiers in 2010 to 4th in 2012. They recognised they had to rebuild bc buckley couldn't control the premiership list Mick had developed (which was just entering its prime), so off loaded important players and ruined the clubs chance of a mini golden period.  They are aiming at top 4 in 2016 and premiers in 2017, but will sack Buckley before then

fixed
:clapping :rollin
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: rogerd3 on September 16, 2014, 08:19:27 PM
Don't worry Kochie will be hauling the tarps out again.
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 16, 2014, 08:41:01 PM
While you're at it, can you explain how Collingwood went from 4th in 2012 to 11th?
Collingwood went from Premiers in 2010 to 4th in 2012. They recognised they had to rebuild bc buckley couldn't control the premiership list Mick had developed (which was just entering its prime), so off loaded important players and ruined the clubs chance of a mini golden period.  They are aiming at top 4 in 2016 and premiers in 2017, but will sack Buckley before then

fixed
:clapping :rollin
LMAAAO.
Buckleys even got Tiger fans sucked in. He's taken a side from a Grand Final to 11th in 4 years and Dimmas taken us from 16th to 8th.
But he's rebuilding and we are stuffed  ;D
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: dwaino on September 17, 2014, 11:47:09 AM
While you're at it, can you explain how Collingwood went from 4th in 2012 to 11th?
Collingwood went from Premiers in 2010 to 4th in 2012. They recognised they had to rebuild bc buckley couldn't control the premiership list Mick had developed (which was just entering its prime), so off loaded important players and ruined the clubs chance of a mini golden period.  They are aiming at top 4 in 2016 and premiers in 2017, but will sack Buckley before then

fixed
:clapping :rollin
LMAAAO.
Buckleys even got Tiger fans sucked in. He's taken a side from a Grand Final to 11th in 4 years and Dimmas taken us from 16th to 8th.
But he's rebuilding and we are stuffed  ;D

Like a rich dad gives his son a nice car, Eddie gave the keys to Buckley and he has already smashed it into a wall.
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: tony_montana on September 17, 2014, 12:24:20 PM
While you're at it, can you explain how Collingwood went from 4th in 2012 to 11th?
Collingwood went from Premiers in 2010 to 4th in 2012. They recognised they had to rebuild bc buckley couldn't control the premiership list Mick had developed (which was just entering its prime), so off loaded important players and ruined the clubs chance of a mini golden period.  They are aiming at top 4 in 2016 and premiers in 2017, but will sack Buckley before then

fixed
:clapping :rollin
LMAAAO.
Buckleys even got Tiger fans sucked in. He's taken a side from a Grand Final to 11th in 4 years and Dimmas taken us from 16th to 8th.
But he's rebuilding and we are stuffed  ;D

reckon you need to reread the post you quoted HRT  ;)
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: lamington on September 18, 2014, 02:19:51 PM
While you're at it, can you explain how Collingwood went from 4th in 2012 to 11th?
Collingwood went from Premiers in 2010 to 4th in 2012. They recognised they had to rebuild bc buckley couldn't control the premiership list Mick had developed (which was just entering its prime), so off loaded important players and ruined the clubs chance of a mini golden period.  They are aiming at top 4 in 2016 and premiers in 2017, but will sack Buckley before then

fixed

 :bow :bow Amazing  :bow :bow
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on September 18, 2014, 02:30:49 PM
While you're at it, can you explain how Collingwood went from 4th in 2012 to 11th?
Collingwood went from Premiers in 2010 to 4th in 2012. They recognised they had to rebuild bc buckley couldn't control the premiership list Mick had developed (which was just entering its prime), so off loaded important players and ruined the clubs chance of a mini golden period.  They are aiming at top 4 in 2016 and premiers in 2017, but will sack Buckley before then

fixed
:clapping :rollin
LMAAAO.
Buckleys even got Tiger fans sucked in. He's taken a side from a Grand Final to 11th in 4 years and Dimmas taken us from 16th to 8th.
But he's rebuilding and we are stuffed  ;D

reckon you need to reread the post you quoted HRT  ;)

Right you are  :thumbsup
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Owl on September 19, 2014, 08:33:21 AM
I like the analogy Figjam is stuffing up the program lol
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: tiga on September 19, 2014, 10:14:37 AM
While you're at it, can you explain how Collingwood went from 4th in 2012 to 11th?
Collingwood went from Premiers in 2010 to 4th in 2012. They recognised they had to rebuild bc buckley couldn't control the premiership list Mick had developed (which was just entering its prime), so off loaded important players and ruined the clubs chance of a mini golden period.  They are aiming at top 4 in 2016 and premiers in 2017, but will sack Buckley before then

fixed
:clapping :rollin
LMAAAO.
Buckleys even got Tiger fans sucked in. He's taken a side from a Grand Final to 11th in 4 years and Dimmas taken us from 16th to 8th.
But he's rebuilding and we are stuffed  ;D

Like a rich dad gives his son a nice car, Eddie gave the keys to Buckley and he has already smashed it into a wall.
:lol  :lol :lol
And he has the face to prove it.
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: dwaino on September 19, 2014, 10:26:01 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Penelope on September 21, 2014, 02:36:23 PM
the answer mrakov is culture. Those clubs have the best while we have one of the worst in the league.

Chris newman says hello
Interesting that you you single out newman when we have a captain who tried to deflect the blame onto Reiwoldt for the decision to kick against the wind in the elem final
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Francois Jackson on September 21, 2014, 02:46:44 PM
the answer mrakov is culture. Those clubs have the best while we have one of the worst in the league.

Chris newman says hello
Interesting that you you single out newman when we have a captain who tried to deflect the blame onto Reiwoldt for the decision to kick against the wind in the elem final

was referring to the shocking decision to have Newman come straight into the seniors.
You ever wonder why our reserves sides are no good. IMV its because there is no incentive to play senior footy when crap like that happens.

I have no idea what your talking about re" cotchin. Explain or put up a link if you can.



Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Penelope on September 21, 2014, 02:56:27 PM
Quote
He again defended his decision to kick against the breeze in the first term on Sunday after winning the toss."It probably just wasn't my decision. Jack (Riewoldt) and the forwards discuss it as well," he said.

http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=20813.msg460856#msg460856

very poor from a captain IMO.

Culture starts at the top
Title: Re: How can Port go from 4th last in 2012 to this while we continue to fail?
Post by: Penelope on September 21, 2014, 03:02:13 PM
id also be inclined to be looking to the coach and selection comittee rather than the player.
FWIW i agree with your sentiment, though