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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 01, 2014, 10:32:23 PM
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Richmond expected to lay low in AFL trade period
Jon Ralph and Michael Warner
Herald-Sun
October 01, 2014 9:00PM
Richmond is expected to lay low during this year’s trade period despite having some money if an inside midfielder emerged.
Football boss Dan Richardson said the Tigers were “highly unlikely” to trade their first round draft pick (currently No. 11) during the upcoming player exchange period.
Richmond is in the market for an inside midfielder to bolster its running brigade of Cotchin, Martin, Brett Deledio, Reece Conca, Brandon Ellis, Nick Vlastuin and Anthony Miles.
St Kilda’s David Armitage, North Melbourne’s Levi Greenwood and even Sydney’s Daniel Hannebery have been linked to the Tigers.
But Richardson hosed down that speculation and said the Tigers would invest deeply in the draft.
“As the trade period unfolds, if there is an opportunity to achieve that (midfield depth) through players from other clubs, then that will be considered,” Richardson said.
“But at this point there is not anyone we have formally approached, are talking to or have said that they want to leave where they are at.
“Our strategy is we are keen to improve the depth of our midfield. We’ll be investing pretty heavily in this year’s draft, hence we delisted seven players. We aim to have four to five draft selections plus some rookie selections.”
Richmond’s best trade currency could be a stockpile of young talls, including Ben Griffiths, David Astbury, Tyrone Vickery, Liam McBean and Todd Elton.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/dustin-martin-seeks-to-sign-contract-extension-as-richmond-expected-to-lay-low-in-afl-trade-period/story-fndv8t7m-1227076886092
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Haha oh lookedey look
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When has Hannebery been linked? Where do we sign?
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lol at a stock pile of talls. we are at a minimum 4 talls short on the list and of the ones we do have many have either done nothing or are just plain ordinary.
only after mids sheesh. while i agree we need more mids and quality ones at that id say the greater need is talls people are kidding themselves if they think we ahe either enough talls or enough quality talls.
they should be all over frawley they should be targeting a young kpd in the nd they need to target a kpf and the list is screaming out for a young ruckman. when it comes to ruckmen the cupboard is bare despite the so called numbers.lose ivan again and watch the fortunes of the side go down hill.
im all for going to the nd with 4 or 5 picks after last yrs effort. but again id argue for balance hit f/a hard it doesnt cost a thing as far as picks go.
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lol at a stock pile of talls. we are at a minimum 4 talls short on the list and of the ones we do have many have either done nothing or are just plain ordinary.
only after mids sheesh. while i agree we need more mids and quality ones at that id say the greater need is talls people are kidding themselves if they think we ahe either enough talls or enough quality talls.
they should be all over frawley they should be targeting a young kpd in the nd they need to target a kpf and the list is screaming out for a young ruckman. when it comes to ruckmen the cupboard is bare despite the so called numbers.lose ivan again and watch the fortunes of the side go down hill.
im all for going to the nd with 4 or 5 picks after last yrs effort. but again id argue for balance hit f/a hard it doesnt cost a thing as far as picks go.
frawley is poo, theres others we should be targetting
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lol at a stock pile of talls. we are at a minimum 4 talls short on the list and of the ones we do have many have either done nothing or are just plain ordinary.
Easy up we have the best jumper puncher going around and a guy who can kick 66 metres
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When has Hannebery been linked? Where do we sign?
Was thinking the same thing dwaino.
Problem is he's contracted until 2016 so I can't see him coming to Richmond given what would offer up to the Swans. Pick 11 would be a given plus something else decent. We won't be letting go any of our 'name' players and Richardson has said Vickery & Grigg :P won't be traded. I know the Swans want another ruckman but they aren't stupid enough to take a spud like Hampson off our hands as much as we would love them to.
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Well this news should please everyone considering all the moaning around here after our last trade/drafting period claiming we didn't draft enough young kids. I would love to go back and find some of the posts because they are from many of the same people I have already seen saying that we should be more aggressive during the trade period.
Damned if you do damned if you don't around here as always ::)
I for one would have loved to see us be more aggressive trading out Grigg and, if necessary, Conca if it meant getting a player of caliber. I think keeping Vickery as backup at the moment and as a future mobile ruckman in a few years is a smart move.
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Why, why f k n why............ Come on RFC do something please.
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We must've won the premiership to be happy with our list. Meanwhile hawks continue to bring in players. RFC is stuffed
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Well this news should please everyone considering all the moaning around here after our last trade/drafting period claiming we didn't draft enough young kids. I would love to go back and find some of the posts because they are from many of the same people I have already seen saying that we should be more aggressive during the trade period.
Damned if you do damned if you don't around here as always ::)
I for one would have loved to see us be more aggressive trading out Grigg and, if necessary, Conca if it meant getting a player of caliber. I think keeping Vickery as backup at the moment and as a future mobile ruckman in a few years is a smart move.
so we go from one extreme to the other. where we take no kids or just 1 and lots of mature types , to plenty of kids and no mature types. as i have asked in my above post where is the bloody balance. as i asked last yr where was the balance as usual people defend the club no matter how shoddy they perform.
as it is we cant do 5 nd picks not enough delistings ive alluded to that plenty of times as well.
we refuse to trade players out allowing for picks or players and we will use few nd picks. we have holes everywhere and we cant target one decent player as a f/a or trade to address a real need and add some quality depth in an area.
it wasnt alright that they only took one kid last yr and its not alright to ignore mature players this yr. its BALANCE WE WANT it going thru the right processes every yr ..
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I would like some well balanced posts every now and then
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lol at a stock pile of talls. we are at a minimum 4 talls short on the list and of the ones we do have many have either done nothing or are just plain ordinary.
only after mids sheesh. while i agree we need more mids and quality ones at that id say the greater need is talls people are kidding themselves if they think we ahe either enough talls or enough quality talls.
they should be all over frawley they should be targeting a young kpd in the nd they need to target a kpf and the list is screaming out for a young ruckman. when it comes to ruckmen the cupboard is bare despite the so called numbers.lose ivan again and watch the fortunes of the side go down hill.
im all for going to the nd with 4 or 5 picks after last yrs effort. but again id argue for balance hit f/a hard it doesnt cost a thing as far as picks go.
frawley is poo, theres others we should be targetting
like who. the only other kpd up for sale is daniel merrett id love to get him but most would howl about his age.
besides frawly can play and would be a great addition to our kpd stocks.
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If that's what you, and many others floating about here, really want claw then I'm 100% behind you. What I don't want though is to give up early picks on average players like Hampson. I'm happy to use rookie picked and the PSD to bring in experience and depth but if we are going to use our draft picks for a trade it would want to be a bona fide talent.
What does give me the sh.i.tes though is when we do bring in experienced or more mature players to give us depth using the rookie and PSD draft and people decide to criticize the club for not bringing in young players instead. The strike rate for developing a 18-year old player through the rookie draft is next to nil now days. In the past you could find gems but given the systems and time invested into drafting now days their are very few diamonds in the rough that slip through. I would much prefer us going with the odd at this point than taking a risk on long shots and wonder why they fail to develop for us year after year.
I would like some well balanced posts every now and then
Chuck says this in jest Claw but if you could mix your posts with positives to couple with the negatives it would give more wait to what you say. I'm sure you'll ignore my advice here but you are obviously a knowledgeable analysis of our squad but many people just switch off from what you have to say because they know you will only post on here to slam the club or other peoples opinions.
Again though, if you really are preaching balance to our recruiting then I'm on your side :cheers
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If that's what you, and many others floating about here, really want claw then I'm 100% behind you. What I don't want though is to give up early picks on average players like Hampson. I'm happy to use rookie picked and the PSD to bring in experience and depth but if we are going to use our draft picks for a trade it would want to be a bona fide talent.
What does give me the sh.i.tes though is when we do bring in experienced or more mature players to give us depth using the rookie and PSD draft and people decide to criticize the club for not bringing in young players instead. The strike rate for developing a 18-year old player through the rookie draft is next to nil now days. In the past you could find gems but given the systems and time invested into drafting now days their are very few diamonds in the rough that slip through. I would much prefer us going with the odd at this point than taking a risk on long shots and wonder why they fail to develop for us year after year.
I would like some well balanced posts every now and then
Chuck says this in jest Claw but if you could mix your posts with positives to couple with the negatives it would give more wait to what you say. I'm sure you'll ignore my advice here but you are obviously a knowledgeable analysis of our squad but many people just switch off from what you have to say because they know you will only post on here to slam the club or other peoples opinions.
Again though, if you really are preaching balance to our recruiting then I'm on your side :cheers
you being serious.
Miles
Ambrose
Charlie Cameron
Breust
Mate there are plenty to have come through the rookie draft, issue is we cant seem find many compared to the the likes of hawks.
We take the easy option and select rubbish like thomas instead of investing in youth and getting rid of these imposters we have acting as development coaches and recruiters at the minute.
Stripes there is a reason why our strike rate is poor
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Miles wasn't an 18 year old rookie. He was a 22 year old developed player who was pushed out of a talent laden GWS club and provided a second chance which he embraced.
The others you mentioned are not stars either and are the exception rather than the rule. This is what I am trying say - taking a untested 18 year old who was overlooked through the draft because of deficiencies is a huge risk and a low percentage bet. Using the draft to secure depth and experience is a smart move imo because you gain immediate results and still have the opportunity to perhaps develop these types into quality additions to the team.
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FFS we wanted them to trade vickery and conca they dont want to even get rid of grigg lol no balls.
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breust not a star player. lol okay. 2 time at an average of 2 goals a game.
as i said thats one example i can name plenty more.
over 10 rookies played off in last weeks GF. Your suggesting having blokes like Edwards and Thomas as rookies is the right way to go and i disagree. Those blokes dont do anything descent to your footy club other than enable you to finish mid table.
We might as well just select depth players with our later picks because as you said its a low percentage bet. Come on mate your better than that
the only rookie selection i have agreed with in the last few years is Owen, mainly because hampson is so crap and Maric needed some back up.
Stripes 2 clubs in geelong and hawthorn have won 6 of the past 7 flags. Have a look how many depth thomas/banfield style players they have on their list. Good clubs create depth by spending money on developing the kids so they are all pushing to get on the senior list. Good clubs don't take the easy option on hacks no other clubs want.
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If that's what you, and many others floating about here, really want claw then I'm 100% behind you. What I don't want though is to give up early picks on average players like Hampson. I'm happy to use rookie picked and the PSD to bring in experience and depth but if we are going to use our draft picks for a trade it would want to be a bona fide talent.
What does give me the sh.i.tes though is when we do bring in experienced or more mature players to give us depth using the rookie and PSD draft and people decide to criticize the club for not bringing in young players instead. The strike rate for developing a 18-year old player through the rookie draft is next to nil now days. In the past you could find gems but given the systems and time invested into drafting now days their are very few diamonds in the rough that slip through. I would much prefer us going with the odd at this point than taking a risk on long shots and wonder why they fail to develop for us year after year.
I would like some well balanced posts every now and then
Chuck says this in jest Claw but if you could mix your posts with positives to couple with the negatives it would give more wait to what you say. I'm sure you'll ignore my advice here but you are obviously a knowledgeable analysis of our squad but many people just switch off from what you have to say because they know you will only post on here to slam the club or other peoples opinions.
Again though, if you really are preaching balance to our recruiting then I'm on your side :cheers
you being serious.
Miles
Ambrose
Charlie Cameron
Breust
Mate there are plenty to have come through the rookie draft, issue is we cant seem find many compared to the the likes of hawks.
We take the easy option and select rubbish like thomas instead of investing in youth and getting rid of these imposters we have acting as development coaches and recruiters at the minute.
Stripes there is a reason why our strike rate is poor
rather than name 4 players and then say there have been plenty, why dont you actaully compare the number of those that made it and those that failed?
that is is the only way to judge even if it doesnt fit your pre concieved views
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same could be said for any pick over 40. More dont work than ones that do. Goes without saying ur right there
What i am saying is you will never get anywhere near the top if you pursue these types as your late picks or rookies
exhibit a, b and c. sydney, hawthorn and cats. Choose the kids and develop them
I also said if you had bothered to read my last line no point in selecting kids if you dont spend the money developing them. We have an issue greater than the recruiters and thats the way our kids are developed. I dont like FJ at all but surely he cant be wrong on all the kids he has helped select.
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Development is as important, if not more important, as recruiting - no doubt there. I just don't think that at this stage of our list evolution that we can afford to take risks. We selected more mature and experienced players for role depth last year because going down the historical route of selecting kids with high deficiencies and little chance of making it just wasn't worth it.
Al is 100% right - it's easy to list the 3% of rookies who made it and ignore the 97% who didn't but we are just don't have the luxury to take a risk on players such as this atm.
If it was me I would use our PSD to get more experience and depth. I would use all our ND picks on youth and, if there remains any reasonable players left, use the first rookie pick on a overlooked kid. The rest of the rookie picks I'd use again on experience again. That's just me though ;D
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6 rookie spots balance it out. 3 mature types if warranted and 3 19 thru 22 yr old types. rookie list is not about getting players in and be prepared to give 4 or 5 yrs because the latent talent has been identified. its all about getting them in and continually turning over the numbers. some not all can p[lay a role or even improve on the deficiencies that has seen them slip to the rookie list.
taking mainly mature players in the rookie nlist reduces your chances of finding how to put it a slow burner if you like. again its all about balance.
so often debates end up you said he said this that bla bla bla. people need to look hard at the process and forget about the players taken. good process means players will be taken with the best chance to succeedd even in the rookie draft.
at rfc i remain critical of the processes we go thru.
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Not even a rumour but someone on the Giants' BF board has said Mark Whiley (inside mid) is in the same boat Miles was 12 months ago (on the outer at GWS) and would like him to go to Richmond to get a decent go.
Comparison: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=25&pid1=3793&tid2=15&pid2=3786&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=P&fopt2=2013
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If that's what you, and many others floating about here, really want claw then I'm 100% behind you. What I don't want though is to give up early picks on average players like Hampson. I'm happy to use rookie picked and the PSD to bring in experience and depth but if we are going to use our draft picks for a trade it would want to be a bona fide talent.
What does give me the sh.i.tes though is when we do bring in experienced or more mature players to give us depth using the rookie and PSD draft and people decide to criticize the club for not bringing in young players instead. The strike rate for developing a 18-year old player through the rookie draft is next to nil now days. In the past you could find gems but given the systems and time invested into drafting now days their are very few diamonds in the rough that slip through. I would much prefer us going with the odd at this point than taking a risk on long shots and wonder why they fail to develop for us year after year.
I would like some well balanced posts every now and then
Chuck says this in jest Claw but if you could mix your posts with positives to couple with the negatives it would give more wait to what you say. I'm sure you'll ignore my advice here but you are obviously a knowledgeable analysis of our squad but many people just switch off from what you have to say because they know you will only post on here to slam the club or other peoples opinions.
Again though, if you really are preaching balance to our recruiting then I'm on your side :cheers
if you actually read my posts over the yrs you would not be unsure of where i stand. could not make it clearer if i tried.ffs hampson i was just about a lone voice on this site arguing the process in taking hampson. how anyone in their right mind in looking at hampson both statistically and performance wise and want to take him is beyond belief yet most of you lot defended the club. ffs one only had to watch the bloke play and at 26 yrs of age say no thank you. what freakin process did blair richardson and jackson go thru. the lack of process hounds us to death. and because of it we make more mistakes than we get right.
i dont support mediocrity and i damn well wont praise it.
dont know how long ive gone on about good processes and good balance. ffs i advocated long and hard we go into the state leagues much more and ignore delisted afl players, got howled down, ive advocated taking vets and got howled down ive advocated the rookie list for a balanced approach of kids needs especially rucks and talls and mature players and generally got howlked down.
ffs get over the the critiques i wont change that, look at what is actually being said.
every single thing i post on list and players is done to a process i go thu on players and list management. people think im big noting but my processes see me way in front of those being paid to run the footy dept. damn right i will criticise.
mate im going to criticise and criticse and then criticise some more. it wont change until they freakin actually achieve something. but it will be consistent good process that will shut me up.
i could go back to when i first started posting and just point blank criticise with no reason why. maybe i should do that.
just to finish i thought we went thru good processes in hardwicks first two yrs after that we have imo lost the plot to a good degree.
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Have to say you're a passionate man claw but if you choose to, as you say, criticize, criticize and criticize some more then don't come out here and wonder why people do the same to your posts. You reap what you sew.
If you look back through my posts over the years you'll find I advocate a very similar strategy as you with our recruitment (as I reiterated in my last post in this thread). I just try and suggest it in a different manner :angel: Yes I am probably too supportive and positive of the club at times and get my share of whacks because of it, but I would rather support the club I love than feel like I am constantly trying to undermine it. I know others see criticizing the club as a way of keeping it accountable. I say expect the best first.
We can't change who you are I guess :P I enjoy your posts and insights regardless :thumbsup
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Have to say you're a passionate man claw but if you choose to, as you say, criticize, criticize and criticize some more then don't come out here and wonder why people do the same to your posts.
If you look back through my posts over the years you'll find I want the same strategy as you with our recruitment (as I reiterated in my last post in this thread). I just try and say it in a less offensive manner :angel: I am probably too supportive and positive of the club at times and get my share of wackes because of it but I would rather support the club I love than feel like I am constantly trying to undermine it.
We can't change who you are I guess :P I enjoy your posts and insights regardless :thumbsup
mate your a damn good poster but. thats where i will stop. im always happy to debate our club with you. i wont agree with you and when i disagree i go hard because i want us to be better.
im not being offensive bud im just being honest as i see it truth. im not undermining a thing i am supporting the club not by just going along with everything but with saying hey this is bloody wrong we must change.
cmon stripes you only needd look at the last 32 yrs to see and know firstly a lot of us have seen the same sort of things and can comment and we can actually see if things have changed enough to set us on the right path. ffs 32 yrs of failure has taught me freakin heaps and when the worm actually turns i will gladly jump on your wagon.we are yet to prove a thingi reckon a all of us older tigers are entitled to see real change before we proclaim the resurrection.
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as it is we cant do 5 nd picks not enough delistings ive alluded to that plenty of times as well.
And what sort of picks do you expect?
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as it is we cant do 5 nd picks not enough delistings ive alluded to that plenty of times as well.
And what sort of picks do you expect?
not sure what you want to know.
i would have thought if we are going to invest heavily in the nd with 4 or 5 picks rfc words, well 4 picks would be about normal anyway then i would hope we would be trying to at least gain better or upgrade picks thru some trades.
if we could trade into a pick at 15-25 and maybe get another at around 35-40 our 5 picks would go something like, dont ask me who we should trade every time a player is mentioned people get uptight and what is being said inevitably gets lost.
11, 20, 29, 40,47, if they cant do some real damage with those sort of picks they should not be in the job. i would at least expect them to try and gain better picks and not do a thing having stated we will invest heavily in the nd.
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SERIOUSLY y wouldn't we try and off load Grigg his time is clearly up??????
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Not even a rumour but someone on the Giants' BF board has said Mark Whiley (inside mid) is in the same boat Miles was 12 months ago (on the outer at GWS) and would like him to go to Richmond to get a decent go.
Comparison: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=25&pid1=3793&tid2=15&pid2=3786&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=P&fopt2=2013
Yep Whiley is a quality inside mid and excellent tagger who has had very limited opportunities this year. Watched him play a fair bit over the past 3 seasons. Played 2 games in 2014 with an average of 18 disposals. Had a tagging role on Pendlebury against the pies and kept him very quiet. In NEAFL this year he was a ball magnet and had 30+ touches on at least 4 occasions. In 2013 Was The Giants NEAFL player of the year.
Excellent replacement for Jacko!
Where do we sign?????
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Was listening to Balmey on SEN this morning and he said of players like Hunt "of course you want to keep them all, but it doesnt work like that, its most important to make some hard calls and keep rejuvenating and improving the list, you cant just sit on your laurels"
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If Swans can't afford Hannebury offer him $700,000 a season and swans pick 11 or 12 and get it done.
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RFC like crouching tiger, ready to pounce
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Sydney’s Daniel Hannebery is going nowhere despite Victorian clubs including Richmond expressing interest in the 23-year-old star.
He is seen as the perfect inside-outside midfielder, but after a disappointing season is determined to bounce back and win a flag for Sydney.
His manager Nick Gieschen said Hannebery was content in Sydney.
“Knowing the bloke Hannebery is coming off the Grand Final loss there is no way he would leave the Swans,’’ he said.
“He will go all out to make amends and there is no way they would let him go in their premiership window.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/collingwoods-due-diligence-on-stuff-cost-it-the-chance-to-secure-him/story-fndv8g1a-1227078264127
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RFC like crouching tiger, ready to pounce
Crouching tiger, hidden spud.
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:lol
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apparently the inside tough mid we are chasing is brad sewell from hawthorn hahaha know im just kidding people settle down :lol :lol :lol :lol
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So our laying low in the trade period indicates the coaches and recruiters think our list is in good shape and is ready to roll next year?
The stakes for 2015 get higher by the day.
By the way, Winderlich to Richmond is the word on the street.
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Relax.
We have Chris Newman.
He's a finals specialist.
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Our footy department aren't tuff enough and brave enough to make big calls on players.Perfect timing to put Vickery and Conca out there.Were not even brave enough to realise players like Grigg,Batch,Petterd,Houli etc can't take us further yet our footy department is blind.I wasn't happy with the Dan Richardson appointment and still not.
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So our laying low in the trade period indicates the coaches and recruiters think our list is in good shape and is ready to roll next year?
The stakes for 2015 get higher by the day.
By the way, Winderlich to Richmond is the word on the street.
Or not.. We realise we have many holes and we are going to the draft to fix them instead of loading up with players ( hampson, thomas, petterd )
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I exepect Vickery and conca will have more trade value in 1-2-3 years time not less.
Given factors such as age, potential
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So our laying low in the trade period indicates the coaches and recruiters think our list is in good shape and is ready to roll next year?
The stakes for 2015 get higher by the day.
By the way, Winderlich to Richmond is the word on the street.
Or not.. We realise we have many holes and we are going to the draft to fix them instead of loading up with players ( hampson, thomas, petterd )
Do we going to draft an 18 year old ruckman...
That'll that 5 years to come good
And by that time are best players gone / past best
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I exepect Vickery and conca will have more trade value in 1-2-3 years time not less.
Given factors such as age, potential
could go either way, more likely the other way based on performance to date
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So our laying low in the trade period indicates the coaches and recruiters think our list is in good shape and is ready to roll next year?
The stakes for 2015 get higher by the day.
By the way, Winderlich to Richmond is the word on the street.
Or not.. We realise we have many holes and we are going to the draft to fix them instead of loading up with players ( hampson, thomas, petterd )
So we are admitting the Hardwick years have failed and we are starting again?
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So our laying low in the trade period indicates the coaches and recruiters think our list is in good shape and is ready to roll next year?
The stakes for 2015 get higher by the day.
By the way, Winderlich to Richmond is the word on the street.
thats exactly what they are doing. I very much doubt they will monkeyball this draft and that includes rookies.
Common sense we hope has finally prevailed.
Or not.. We realise we have many holes and we are going to the draft to fix them instead of loading up with players ( hampson, thomas, petterd )
So we are admitting the Hardwick years have failed and we are starting again?
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Does anyone else think we need a decent CHF, a decent 3rd tall and a lighting quick small forward?
Forget depth for a minute, our forward line needs immediate attention. It has for years. The only decent forwards we have had in the last 10 years are Richo and Jack.
We need more quality onballers granted but not as much as we need the 3 forwards mentioned. With Cotch, Dusty, Lids, Miles, Foley as our number 1 options with Ellis, Grigg, Edwards, Conca and Vlastuin as our second stringers, we are not as bad as some think.
And our backs need a few changes too but I recon we could mostly fix what needs fixing with what we have on our list. Dea for Houli, Astbury maybe for Batchelor.
It amazes me we aren't chasing genuine forward options??
Thoughts??
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Does anyone else think we need a decent CHF, a decent 3rd tall and a lighting quick small forward?
Forget depth for a minute, our forward line needs immediate attention. It has for years. The only decent forwards we have had in the last 10 years are Richo and Jack.
We need more quality onballers granted but not as much as we need the 3 forwards mentioned. With Cotch, Dusty, Lids, Miles, Foley as our number 1 options with Ellis, Grigg, Edwards, Conca and Vlastuin as our second stringers, we are not as bad as some think.
And our backs need a few changes too but I recon we could mostly fix what needs fixing with what we have on our list. Dea for Houli, Astbury maybe for Batchelor.
It amazes me we aren't chasing genuine forward options??
Thoughts??
Which genuine forward options, who are available, do you think we should be chasing bt?
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I'm happy with Vickery and Griffiths who I believe will develop into fine players.
Small forward is a definite need, although Martin/Cotchin filling that role while resting to an extent.
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I'm happy with Vickery and Griffiths who I believe will develop into fine players.
Small forward is a definite need, although Martin/Cotchin filling that role while resting to an extent.
I agree with you here Big Richo. I would love to see us with at least another small forward who is elusive, quick and has the X-Factor. Edwards has all these attributes (well speed might not quiet be there) and may play more forward when we have more quality midfielders to take the contested 'load'. Small forwards need to play midfield as much as forward now days.
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Small forward yes. CHF, use bloody Griff, if Hardwick actually let him settle in that position we would all benefit!!! We also have Jack, Vickery, Gordon, Edwards (God bless him), Deledio, Martin, Cotchin, Petterd and a couple in the twos coming through as forwards.
Backline needs much thought, I don't like Newman there, Batch, or Morris there, Batch and Morris are there to play the man and not the ball, they do that well while the ball goes sailing over their heads for a goal. They are not quick players nor do they have the skill to hit up targets out of defence. Newman is losing his accuracy and is too slow for mine.. Backline revamp!!
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Does anyone else think we need a decent CHF, a decent 3rd tall and a lighting quick small forward?
Forget depth for a minute, our forward line needs immediate attention. It has for years. The only decent forwards we have had in the last 10 years are Richo and Jack.
We need more quality onballers granted but not as much as we need the 3 forwards mentioned. With Cotch, Dusty, Lids, Miles, Foley as our number 1 options with Ellis, Grigg, Edwards, Conca and Vlastuin as our second stringers, we are not as bad as some think.
And our backs need a few changes too but I recon we could mostly fix what needs fixing with what we have on our list. Dea for Houli, Astbury maybe for Batchelor.
It amazes me we aren't chasing genuine forward options??
Thoughts??
Which genuine forward options, who are available, do you think we should be chasing bt?
membrey may be worth a go and would add to our options
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I think we have a lot of midfielders who are good at wrestling and winning the one on one battles when rested forward but we don't seem to have any natural opportunists. Its a very difficult position in today's game. even players like Rouli needs to be part of the midfield rotations. I think this is why Port is such a dangerous team. They have so many midfielders who play the CHF and small forward role so dangerously. They could all be specialized small forwards in their own right, in fact Robbie Gray was until this year but became a versatile midfielders/small forward which along with White, Winguard(sp?), Monfreys(sp?) and co. have created a very dangerous and open forward line.
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Does anyone else think we need a decent CHF, a decent 3rd tall and a lighting quick small forward?
Forget depth for a minute, our forward line needs immediate attention. It has for years. The only decent forwards we have had in the last 10 years are Richo and Jack.
We need more quality onballers granted but not as much as we need the 3 forwards mentioned. With Cotch, Dusty, Lids, Miles, Foley as our number 1 options with Ellis, Grigg, Edwards, Conca and Vlastuin as our second stringers, we are not as bad as some think.
And our backs need a few changes too but I recon we could mostly fix what needs fixing with what we have on our list. Dea for Houli, Astbury maybe for Batchelor.
It amazes me we aren't chasing genuine forward options??
Thoughts??
Which genuine forward options, who are available, do you think we should be chasing bt?
membrey may be worth a go and would add to our options
Personally I would of thought there would be several fringe hawthron/Sydney/Geelong players worth a look
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Would like to see us rookie Shane Nelson, as I did last year & the year before and now he's had arguably his best year yet in the WAFL.
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Does anyone else think we need a decent CHF, a decent 3rd tall and a lighting quick small forward?
Forget depth for a minute, our forward line needs immediate attention. It has for years. The only decent forwards we have had in the last 10 years are Richo and Jack.
We need more quality onballers granted but not as much as we need the 3 forwards mentioned. With Cotch, Dusty, Lids, Miles, Foley as our number 1 options with Ellis, Grigg, Edwards, Conca and Vlastuin as our second stringers, we are not as bad as some think.
And our backs need a few changes too but I recon we could mostly fix what needs fixing with what we have on our list. Dea for Houli, Astbury maybe for Batchelor.
It amazes me we aren't chasing genuine forward options??
Thoughts??
yes 100% agree. the biggest priority is not just a chf but several tall fwds. for gods sake this reliance on vickery and griffiths coming good is just plain ridiculous.the lack of quality med/sml fwds is also hilarious.
ive done it a few times now and just one more time. useing the nd and trade period as an example we need a kpf of the quality of mcartin, a tall like lamb and backup like kietel. then we would barely have enough tall fwds. tall fwds is a gaping freakin hole which needs to be addressed before all other things. we also desperately need a junior kpd marchbank if we went that way would do me. frawley would alleviate pressure on kpd and garlett who will go home to wa regardless would have alleviated our sml fwd weaknesses. but hey tone we are in top 4 mode it is so funny im crying.
na i am sick of this it seems so many of the ones who really care are just so delusional its not worth it anymore.they see but they invariably kid themselves.
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ive done it a few times now and just one more time. useing the nd and trade period as an example we need a kpf of the quality of mcartin, a tall like lamb and backup like kietel. then we would barely have enough tall fwds.
:gobdrop How many tall forwards to we need
In your scenario we would have Mcartin, Lamb, Kietel, Riewoldt, Griffiths, Vickery, McBean, Elton. 8 Tall forwards is too many
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yeah but rance Griffiths, Vickery, McBean = poo
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Just wondering if we have room in the salary cap to target good players through free agency and trade ,or we're over paying our players like in the past or there holding us ransom without us even having any success.
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Just wondering if we have room in the salary cap to target good players through free agency and trade ,or we're over paying our players like in the past or there holding us ransom without us even having any success.
Dont know for sure but by media reports we have money up our sleeve and room in our cap
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does laying low mean that RFC has gone in liquidation or something? Is anyone doing any work down their in terms of getting some decent players to the club or are they bludging as usual during this period?
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does laying low mean that RFC has gone in liquidation or something? Is anyone doing any work down their in terms of getting some decent players to the club or are they bludging as usual during this period?
Locked and loaded ramps, they reckon the list is sound
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does laying low mean that RFC has gone in liquidation or something? Is anyone doing any work down their in terms of getting some decent players to the club or are they bludging as usual during this period?
Locked and loaded ramps, they reckon the list is sound
and Im an Astronaut waiting for NASA to give me a call. ;D
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does laying low mean that RFC has gone in liquidation or something? Is anyone doing any work down their in terms of getting some decent players to the club or are they bludging as usual during this period?
Locked and loaded ramps, they reckon the list is sound
and Im an Astronaut waiting for NASA to give me a call. ;D
Frankly there are a number of your posts that have led me to think you are a space cadet
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I'll be more annoyed if we back up this year's inactivity by getting nobody of note next year, when there should be some real treasure to be had and hopefully more of our duds & tradeable expendables will be off-contract (memo to Dan Richardson: no offering of extensions to plodders before the season is over on the back of half a dozen "good" games.)
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I don't think the custodians of our list believe it's premiership ready. If they do, then we're truly stuffed, but I don't think that is the case. I think the plan is to go bananas with our cash next year when the likes of Danger come out of contract. When you think about it, there really hasn't been that much talent to throw money at this year - Waite, Greenwood, Higgins... Meh.... If say a Jezza Cameron had moved to a Melbourne club this off-season without us making a serious play then I would be concerned, but I think people tend to overhype players who are up for grabs purely because they want to see the club do 'something'.
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does laying low mean that RFC has gone in liquidation or something? Is anyone doing any work down their in terms of getting some decent players to the club or are they bludging as usual during this period?
Locked and loaded ramps, they reckon the list is sound
and Im an Astronaut waiting for NASA to give me a call. ;D
Frankly there are a number of your posts that have led me to think you are a space cadet
only because you cant read and because your OER's very own delinquent ;D
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I don't think the custodians of our list believe it's premiership ready. If they do, then we're truly stuffed, but I don't think that is the case. I think the plan is to go bananas with our cash next year when the likes of Danger come out of contract. When you think about it, there really hasn't been that much talent to throw money at this year - Waite, Greenwood, Higgins... Meh.... If say a Jezza Cameron had moved to a Melbourne club this off-season without us making a serious play then I would be concerned, but I think people tend to overhype players who are up for grabs purely because they want to see the club do 'something'.
I hope so, but methinks this time next year the same people will be saying the same thing - wait till next year, there is nothing avail this season etc.
Realistically, how many superstars can you hope to bring in? Dangerfield, Shiels? If you're lucky you nab 1 every 5-10 years. It just doesn't happen enough to warrant waiting , waiting, waiting for the perfect storm moment.
There are plenty of players still on our list who could be upgraded and if we had the balls to offload list cloggers like newman, Thomas, Grigg, Petterd, Knights, we could comfortably upgrade them with greenwood types year on year without breaking the bank or ruining our draft order. I'd have Greenwood ahead of any of those I just mentioned. We'd be hard pressed to find a better with a second rounder especially given our history of drafting past the 1st round
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I hear ya and I agree that Greenwood is superior to that group of spuds, but he's no star. Every club would have a group that they would like to replace with 'Greenwoods'. We probably made an offer that wasn't as good as Collingwood's. Whether our offer was 'right' or 'reasonable' we'll never know. Maybe if you were privy to the terms of that offer you would think it was reasonable and you'd be happy that we didn't offer more. It's a tricky one.
No doubt some poor decisions have been made with our list, specifically signing Newman, trading for Hampson and not upgrading Grigg.
I think our fortunes next year hinge on the development and performance of Griff, Vickery, Vlas, Lennon etc. not on who we did or did not snare this summer.
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I hope so, but I think we need to be a bit more aggressive and proactive in bringing decent mid tier players to the club to then dump the list cloggers and bring in more young draftees to balance the salary cap books - I know its not easy and you cant win them all but prefer that method to trying to land the big fish
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I hope so, but I think we need to be a bit more aggressive and proactive in bringing decent mid tier players to the club to then dump the list cloggers and bring in my young draftees to balance the books - I know its not easy and you cant win them all but prefer that method to trying to land the big fish
It's even harder to do when you keep giving the list cloggers extensions.
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Just wondering if we have room in the salary cap to target good players through free agency and trade ,or we're over paying our players like in the past or there holding us ransom without us even having any success.
I would love to know what
Chaplin
Houli
Pettard
Thomas
Hampson
Are on
You could feed a small african country
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I don't think the custodians of our list believe it's premiership ready. If they do, then we're truly stuffed, but I don't think that is the case. I think the plan is to go bananas with our cash next year when the likes of Danger come out of contract. When you think about it, there really hasn't been that much talent to throw money at this year - Waite, Greenwood, Higgins... Meh.... If say a Jezza Cameron had moved to a Melbourne club this off-season without us making a serious play then I would be concerned, but I think people tend to overhype players who are up for grabs purely because they want to see the club do 'something'.
They do
Hence drafting one kid in the last draft period, Lennon
Locked and loaded baby
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The HUN is reporting that Jaksch to Blues has stalled
Here's a chance Tigers to do something
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The HUN is reporting that Jaksch to Blues has stalled
Here's a chance Tigers to do something
he's crap
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The HUN is reporting that Jaksch to Blues has stalled
Here's a chance Tigers to do something
Totally agree WP.
Sure he has the most interest to join Carlton BUT we should sit him down and convince him that Tigerland is the place to be. Someone earn your money and sell the club like a salesman should. From the outside it seems like if a player nominates another club we stay away.
I hate Essendon but when I read they are having a crack at players regardless of where they have moninated, I wish our management would grow some balls. Some people dont know what they want until someone talks them into it.
Jaksch is no star yet but he is a hell of a lot better than Batchelor. And that is what we need to be doing to get better, upgrading players that are getting games now.
I seriously think half our list is not up to AFL standard ATM. With the chance of about 3 or 4 actually making it to a decent level. We have a really good core but it falls away so quickly.
I know I have mentioned this before but Jeff Garlett would be perfect for us. He would be in our best 22 the minute he walked in the door. There are so many players we could trade him for, no one would even blink an eyelid and that deal would be done.
Two spots on our list but more importantly in our side upgraded with not much lost.
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Richmond have hatched a plan so cunning, so devious and subtle in order to baffle the opposition clubs during the trade period. Do nothing. YEah that excrement Just Happened. :gobdrop
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:lol
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Richmond fc -> s cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University :shh
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You could stick ears and a tail on it and call it professor of cunning lol go black adder
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ah black adder.
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Playing the media on a Warney to Gatting break is our Dan
:shh