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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Smokey on October 11, 2014, 06:23:47 PM
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I've heard McDonough back to Adelaide on the cards
That trade has the potential to bite us in the anal region.
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I've heard McDonough back to Adelaide on the cards
That trade has the potential to bite us in the anal region.
Perhaps - I don't mind him smokey and what disappoints me is we haven't played him in the position he played to a pretty high standard in juniors - small forward more in the LeCras way rather than your standard FP type. I would have liked to see him play half a season in our forward line before making the call.
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I've heard McDonough back to Adelaide on the cards
That trade has the potential to bite us in the anal region.
Not if it enables us to get Harrison Wigg.
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Also could be trading McDonough to Adelaide. Our 2nd + McDonough for Adelaide's 2nd and 3rd picks.
http://www.bigfooty.com/stuff-trengove-to-the-tigers.1079715/page-19#post-35650828
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I've heard McDonough back to Adelaide on the cards
That trade has the potential to bite us in the anal region.
Not if it enables us to get Harrison Wigg.
also doesnt he want out. if not this yr it will likely happen next yr when hes out of contract.
Also could be trading McDonough to Adelaide. Our 2nd + McDonough for Adelaide's 2nd and 3rd picks.
http://www.bigfooty.com/stuff-trengove-to-the-tigers.1079715/page-19#post-35650828
so we get a slightly upgraded second rounder and pick 47??.
theres two ways mcdonough can go. bust and we get nothing , there are plenty who dont rate him. or we can salvage something by quickly off loading him, he cost what pick 42 or 43 so we break even and start again.
correct me if im wrong but he wants to go home doesnt he. if not this yr then next we will lose him anyway.
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Also could be trading McDonough to Adelaide. Our 2nd + McDonough for Adelaide's 2nd and 3rd picks.
http://www.bigfooty.com/stuff-trengove-to-the-tigers.1079715/page-19#post-35650828
Do it.
Too slow for mine.
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Also could be trading McDonough to Adelaide. Our 2nd + McDonough for Adelaide's 2nd and 3rd picks.
http://www.bigfooty.com/stuff-trengove-to-the-tigers.1079715/page-19#post-35650828
Do it.
Too slow for mine.
and batchelor isnt i presume. lol
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I've heard McDonough back to Adelaide on the cards
That trade has the potential to bite us in the anal region.
Why Smoke? Do you rate him?
Dime a dozen for mine.
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He's basically untried.
Club has Nfi about most if it's younger players
Cos they never get developed
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Also could be trading McDonough to Adelaide. Our 2nd + McDonough for Adelaide's 2nd and 3rd picks.
http://www.bigfooty.com/stuff-trengove-to-the-tigers.1079715/page-19#post-35650828
I'd do that deal
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That rumoured trade would look like this:
Richmond gains picks 31 & 50
Adelaide gains pick 33 & McDonough
So effectively we'd be trading McDonough for pick 50. That would practically be giving him away for nothing. Pass!
I'd be demanding at least a straight swap for their second round pick (#31) otherwise what's the point of doing a trade if there's no real gain for us in return. McDonough has not made any noises about wanting to return to his home state.
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That rumoured trade would look like this:
Richmond gains picks 31 & 50
Adelaide gains pick 33 & McDonough
So effectively we'd be trading McDonough for pick 50. That would practically be giving him away for nothing. Pass!
I'd be demanding at least a straight swap for their second round pick (#31) otherwise what's the point of doing a trade if there's no real gain for us in return. McDonough has not made any noises about wanting to return to his home state.
I suppose it comes down to how highly you value/rate McDonough.
What did he costs us originally? What pick was he?
I'd say he isn't worth much more than a 3rd rounder. Deal also moves us ever so slightly up in the draft, which is good.
I'd do the deal. IMV pick 50 for him sounds about right
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Also could be trading McDonough to Adelaide. Our 2nd + McDonough for Adelaide's 2nd and 3rd picks.
http://www.bigfooty.com/stuff-trengove-to-the-tigers.1079715/page-19#post-35650828
Do it.
Too slow for mine.
Agree has never had any pace. Knows how to play but lacks a couple of yards.
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WP doesn't have much of an eye for talent. Matthew can play
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I wouldn't take that either MT. From what i saw of our twos this year he seems to be a very natural footballer. Clever, balanced and good skills. I remember a moment in one of the twos games, when he took a nice mark on the lead in one of the later games and slotted it from 50 in a tricky breeze. Granted, it is only one moment but the fluidity in his marking and kicking action made me think he has some real class about him. Whether he has enough class to make up for his small frame and lack of pace remains to be seen, but I would want more than what Adelaide are offering.
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I've heard McDonough back to Adelaide on the cards
That trade has the potential to bite us in the anal region.
X 2, WTF is going on at our club.
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Kids a gun
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We better not trade McDonough. Gonna be a gun imo
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Nothing wrong with taking a risk on Trengrove chuck IMV.
Difference is Hampson was a proven dud at the time we picked him, but this bloke has enormous upside. Can easily upgrade adelaides second pick they give us, but doubt the club will do it.
Then again maybe FJ will finally do his job with his late picks so who cares about high picks
As for this bloke. Hasn't really shown anything but hasn't really been given a chance. Undecided nor care
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Might be just a case of trying to get something for him before he goes home for nothing next year. I would like to keep him but I think we may not have a say in his exit. The go home factor may have kicked in.
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Do not know why the club would be looking to trade him. Thought club viewed him as the future. Prefer to keep him.
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Do not know why the club would be looking to trade him. Thought club viewed him as the future. Prefer to keep him.
I think the pick upgrade may be more than stated previously.
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Do not know why the club would be looking to trade him. Thought club viewed him as the future. Prefer to keep him.
maybe because he himself wants to return to adelaide?
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Do not know why the club would be looking to trade him. Thought club viewed him as the future. Prefer to keep him.
maybe because he himself wants to return to adelaide?
stuff me, Al. Stop putting sense, rationale and a touch of the human element into a football conversation.
The club is stuffed, that's all there is to it.
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sorry, my bad
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Pick#10
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Pick#10
Pick # plus danger.
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Adelaide rumouredly offering pick 31 for Shoenmakers according to the Herald-Sun. No mention of them chasing McDonough.
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That's coz it's pick 10 for Donut or we take him off of the table!
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Might be just a case of trying to get something for him before he goes home for nothing next year. I would like to keep him but I think we may not have a say in his exit. The go home factor may have kicked in.
How can he go "home for nothing next year"?
He isn't a free agent. So outside of de-listing him after the ND because he is a out of contract. The only way he can get anywhere is via trade
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at the end of the day if these guys arnt getting regular football y hang on to them, he does show a bit but this is his year as he needs to get the hbf spot specially with houil newman grigg pretty much gone shortly :thumbsup
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unfortunately the donut is too slow to play off a half back stuff
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well the ones we have running off at moment are no better... that's why we need pace
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well the ones we have running off at moment are no better... that's why we need pace
Which is why the Dea trade is a no-no. :help
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unfortunately the donut is too slow to play off a half back stuff
me i was sure he was a smart goal kicking sml fwd who they hoped in time would be capable of going thru the midfield as a part of rotations. have we at any stage played mcdonough as a sml fwd on a consistent basis.
when your not overly quick and only 180cm at afl level you need some outstanding attributes to over come these things.does he. ive always doubted if he could make it so im not fussed if we trade him out or more correctly he wants to go home.
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Also could be trading McDonough to Adelaide. Our 2nd + McDonough for Adelaide's 2nd and 3rd picks.
http://www.bigfooty.com/stuff-trengove-to-the-tigers.1079715/page-19#post-35650828
The BF poster who posted the above last week is now saying "there will also be no McDonough trade".
http://www.bigfooty.com/stuff-trengove-to-the-tigers-poll-added.1079715/page-49#post-35691733
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unfortunately the donut is too slow to play off a half back stuff
me i was sure he was a smart goal kicking sml fwd who they hoped in time would be capable of going thru the midfield as a part of rotations. have we at any stage played mcdonough as a sml fwd on a consistent basis.
when your not overly quick and only 180cm at afl level you need some outstanding attributes to over come these things.does he. ive always doubted if he could make it so im not fussed if we trade him out or more correctly he wants to go home.
that's correct claw. he came as a forward pocket type.
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unfortunately the donut is too slow to play off a half back stuff
me i was sure he was a smart goal kicking sml fwd who they hoped in time would be capable of going thru the midfield as a part of rotations. have we at any stage played mcdonough as a sml fwd on a consistent basis.
when your not overly quick and only 180cm at afl level you need some outstanding attributes to over come these things.does he. ive always doubted if he could make it so im not fussed if we trade him out or more correctly he wants to go home.
Just another angle, would the donut have more upside than Newman? he is listed as 2cm shorter and 1 kg heavier. IMO if he is the same speed or faster than newman wouldn't he be a better LTI ??
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at the end of the day if these guys arnt getting regular football y hang on to them, he does show a bit but this is his year as he needs to get the hbf spot specially with houil newman grigg pretty much gone shortly :thumbsup
you have to have depth players. He is much more suited to the small forward role and played his list few games in the vfl there. expect to see him there in 2015 I reckon
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getting rid of players like Dea and McDonough whilst signing up and playing a clearly past it Newman is just wrong
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getting rid of players like Dea and McDonough whilst signing up and playing a clearly past it Newman is just wrong
Yep
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getting rid of players like Dea and McDonough whilst signing up and playing a clearly past it Newman is just wrong
No no
Delisting arnot bachelor arnot dea. While retaining Newman Thomas grigg and friends is good listmmanagement
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getting rid of players like Dea and McDonough whilst signing up and playing a clearly past it Newman is just wrong
Have they been got rid of?
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unfortunately the donut is too slow to play off a half back stuff
me i was sure he was a smart goal kicking sml fwd who they hoped in time would be capable of going thru the midfield as a part of rotations. have we at any stage played mcdonough as a sml fwd on a consistent basis.
when your not overly quick and only 180cm at afl level you need some outstanding attributes to over come these things.does he. ive always doubted if he could make it so im not fussed if we trade him out or more correctly he wants to go home.
Just another angle, would the donut have more upside than Newman? he is listed as 2cm shorter and 1 kg heavier. IMO if he is the same speed or faster than newman wouldn't he be a better LTI ??
that would depend on strengths weaknesses and correct role.imean to say newman has only ever been a solid citizen at his best at age 30 something theres no upside to newman. at age 20 odd with the talent to get on a afl list which is an achievment in itself you would hope mcdonough has more upside than newman. if we arent aiming for better we have thr set way too low.
the trouble here is the role they play. mcdonough cannot play imo hb for many reasons which should be obvious. i would have thought in comparing players to keep you would judge lloyd against mcdonough.
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getting rid of players like Dea and McDonough whilst signing up and playing a clearly past it Newman is just wrong
Have they been got rid of?
not yet, point is why sign up newman who should have retired 2 years ago, and look at exploring you guys who are still developing
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getting rid of players like Dea and McDonough whilst signing up and playing a clearly past it Newman is just wrong
Have they been got rid of?
not yet, point is why sign up newman who should have retired 2 years ago, and look at exploring you guys who are still developing
just maybe and its only a maybe mind :-\ . newman actually offers more to date. :o
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getting rid of players like Dea and McDonough whilst signing up and playing a clearly past it Newman is just wrong
Have they been got rid of?
not yet, point is why sign up newman who should have retired 2 years ago, and look at exploring you guys who are still developing
just maybe and its only a maybe mind :-\ . newman actually offers more to date. :o
Yeah nah not for mine - is and has been a liability for a couple of years now. Their graphs are going in opposite directions. I think Dea overtook Newman in the man on man contest stakes and think McDonough offers a shedload more run than him. Both have weaknesses to work on but with another preseason they'll be pass the plodder. Chris wont average more than 10 possessions a games next season
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Maybe as Newman's form slides from horrid to deplorable in 2015 and keeps getting gifted games at the expense of Dea/McDonough, we will never know.
Brace yourselves for another season-long skid mark on the clubs integrity
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Maybe as Newman's form slides from horrid to deplorable in 2015 and keeps getting gifted games at the expense of Dea/McDonough, we will never know.
Brace yourselves for another season-long skid mark on the clubs integrity
As long as I can shout GO COCKA!!! :gotigers (copyright Dooks 2014), I'll be happy. :cheers
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:bow
It's gonna be the best!
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getting rid of players like Dea and McDonough whilst signing up and playing a clearly past it Newman is just wrong
Have they been got rid of?
not yet, point is why sign up newman who should have retired 2 years ago, and look at exploring you guys who are still developing
just maybe and its only a maybe mind :-\ . newman actually offers more to date. :o
Yeah nah not for mine - is and has been a liability for a couple of years now. Their graphs are going in opposite directions. I think Dea overtook Newman in the man on man contest stakes and think McDonough offers a shedload more run than him. Both have weaknesses to work on but with another preseason they'll be pass the plodder. Chris wont average more than 10 possessions a games next season
and yet mcdonough and dea both got 7 games and gap in output to newman is quite a bit.
while i agree newman has to go and is not good enough and hasnt been for a few yrs dea and mcdonough at are way below newman and you really do have to adventure into the realms of reality. that reality is they too arent good enough.
people openly acknowledge newman is shizen yet those they want to replace him with are worse on exposed afl form. surely if newman is that bad these blikes shoulkd fly past him yet we arent on about them being better we go on about more opportunity. afls a hard gane and all players get to a point where they have to earn opportunity,
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getting rid of players like Dea and McDonough whilst signing up and playing a clearly past it Newman is just wrong
Have they been got rid of?
not yet, point is why sign up newman who should have retired 2 years ago, and look at exploring you guys who are still developing
just maybe and its only a maybe mind :-\ . newman actually offers more to date. :o
Yeah nah not for mine - is and has been a liability for a couple of years now. Their graphs are going in opposite directions. I think Dea overtook Newman in the man on man contest stakes and think McDonough offers a shedload more run than him. Both have weaknesses to work on but with another preseason they'll be pass the plodder. Chris wont average more than 10 possessions a games next season
and yet mcdonough and dea both got 7 games and gap in output to newman is quite a bit.
while i agree newman has to go and is not good enough and hasnt been for a few yrs dea and mcdonough at are way below newman and you really do have to adventure into the realms of reality. that reality is they too arent good enough.
people openly acknowledge newman is shizen yet those they want to replace him with are worse on exposed afl form. surely if newman is that bad these blikes shoulkd fly past him yet we arent on about them being better we go on about more opportunity. afls a hard gane and all players get to a point where they have to earn opportunity,
Your reality or mine clawski? Love how everyone elses opinion is airy fairy but yours is the real deal - I don't think newmans output is better than theirs, it really wasn't this season (imo of course) - he is a total liability and has been for a couple of years.
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getting rid of players like Dea and McDonough whilst signing up and playing a clearly past it Newman is just wrong
Have they been got rid of?
not yet, point is why sign up newman who should have retired 2 years ago, and look at exploring you guys who are still developing
just maybe and its only a maybe mind :-\ . newman actually offers more to date. :o
Yeah nah not for mine - is and has been a liability for a couple of years now. Their graphs are going in opposite directions. I think Dea overtook Newman in the man on man contest stakes and think McDonough offers a shedload more run than him. Both have weaknesses to work on but with another preseason they'll be pass the plodder. Chris wont average more than 10 possessions a games next season
and yet mcdonough and dea both got 7 games and gap in output to newman is quite a bit.
while i agree newman has to go and is not good enough and hasnt been for a few yrs dea and mcdonough at are way below newman and you really do have to adventure into the realms of reality. that reality is they too arent good enough.
people openly acknowledge newman is shizen yet those they want to replace him with are worse on exposed afl form. surely if newman is that bad these blikes shoulkd fly past him yet we arent on about them being better we go on about more opportunity. afls a hard gane and all players get to a point where they have to earn opportunity,
Your reality or mine clawski? Love how everyone elses opinion is airy fairy but yours is the real deal - I don't think newmans output is better than theirs, it really wasn't this season (imo of course) - he is a total liability and has been for a couple of years.
im sorry tm but the reality is dea and mcdonough have performed nowhere near newmans level at afl level. every single indicator that ic an find including my own eyes says so.
you talk about differeing opinions then how about others like you back up what you say. i do.
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getting rid of players like Dea and McDonough whilst signing up and playing a clearly past it Newman is just wrong
Have they been got rid of?
not yet, point is why sign up newman who should have retired 2 years ago, and look at exploring you guys who are still developing
just maybe and its only a maybe mind :-\ . newman actually offers more to date. :o
Yeah nah not for mine - is and has been a liability for a couple of years now. Their graphs are going in opposite directions. I think Dea overtook Newman in the man on man contest stakes and think McDonough offers a shedload more run than him. Both have weaknesses to work on but with another preseason they'll be pass the plodder. Chris wont average more than 10 possessions a games next season
and yet mcdonough and dea both got 7 games and gap in output to newman is quite a bit.
while i agree newman has to go and is not good enough and hasnt been for a few yrs dea and mcdonough at are way below newman and you really do have to adventure into the realms of reality. that reality is they too arent good enough.
people openly acknowledge newman is shizen yet those they want to replace him with are worse on exposed afl form. surely if newman is that bad these blikes shoulkd fly past him yet we arent on about them being better we go on about more opportunity. afls a hard gane and all players get to a point where they have to earn opportunity,
Your reality or mine clawski? Love how everyone elses opinion is airy fairy but yours is the real deal - I don't think newmans output is better than theirs, it really wasn't this season (imo of course) - he is a total liability and has been for a couple of years.
im sorry tm but the reality is dea and mcdonough have performed nowhere near newmans level at afl level. every single indicator that ic an find including my own eyes says so.
you talk about differeing opinions then how about others like you back up what you say. i do.
back it up with what? Its all subjective.
Newman averaged about 13 possessions a game this season. Dea 12, McDonough 11, not a big difference especially when newmans strength is his kicking. Not getting it anywhere near enough.
Opposition teams have been going through his direct opponent for years - even when he was at his peak and offered something going forward, but back then we could wear it bc overall what he brought to the table outweighed the negatives. This year - I don't know how closely you watched him but if you have time I ask you to go to the tapes and show me more than one instance where he broke lines, his speed and run completely deserted him this season, his only possessions were prop and stop so no penetration. I really don't know that any more needs to be said in all honesty.
When he was out injured and Dea was given a run, I felt Dea offered a lot more defensively and not much less offensively, so tick for mine. McDonough is probably as bad as Newman defensively but hes not a backman so that's no surprise, and he offered a lot more run and carry than newman did. He made mistakes but he took the game on and tried to break lines, something attacking halfbacks and poor defensive players need to be able to do.
Now after all that - you'll still have your opinion and I'll have mine.
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:shh
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Re-signed
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-10-15/tigers-lock-in-six
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Re-signed
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-10-15/tigers-lock-in-six
Great news :cheers
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Close thread
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Re-signed
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-10-15/tigers-lock-in-six
Ill give you this your good at doing PR and spin. The clubs done absolutely stuff all over 2 years at the trade table and you pull this stuff out to appease the supporters who don't know any better. What a disgrace.
I have an idea for yas - Go and trade for some good players you bozos. :cheers
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:clapping for both the re-signing and the rant :lol
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Straight swap for Dangerfield next year.
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Straight swap for Dangerfield next year.
well that rumour went well know he has resigned :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Straight swap for Dangerfield next year.
well that rumour went well know he has resigned :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Only for one year....get on board with Dan's master plan....