One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => View from the Outer => Topic started by: No More on February 07, 2015, 10:26:51 AM
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IMHO Hawthorn are a much bigger club now than Carlton and that they have finally achieved their ambition of being a top 4 club. They have achieved this at the expense of Carlton who have failed to grow there club during lean times. Well done to the Tiger Army for keeping the RFC a big 4 club. Have Hawthorn replaced Carlton in the big 4?
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I think the big 4 is archaic. What does it mean?
If you are saying it's the 4 biggest clubs in Victoria as measured by memberships and attendances, then yes Hawthorn have surpassed Carlton and Richmond (when you include pet memberships ;D).
My take on this big 4 stuff is really hw clubs fair when they are not doing well. Given that we have made finals less than anyone else on the last 30 years, we hold up quite well. Of course it helps to have the MCG as your home, a tiger as your mascot (kids love them), good colours and the best team song.
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I think the big 4 is archaic. What does it mean?
If you are saying it's the 4 biggest clubs in Victoria as measured by memberships and attendances, then yes Hawthorn have surpassed Carlton and Richmond (when you include pet memberships ;D).
My take on this big 4 stuff is really hw clubs fair when they are not doing well. Given that we have made finals less than anyone else on the last 30 years, we hold up quite well. Of course it helps to have the MCG as your home, a tiger as your mascot (kids love them), good colours and the best team song.
The last time Richmond were wooden spooners in 2007 we only won 3 matches yet had an average H&A attendance of over 41,000 which was the third highest in the entire league that year behind Collingwood who played finals and Essendon who finished 12th but still were in finals calculations until late in the year and had both Sheedy & Hird on farwell tours.
That's what a really big club looks like.
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I think the big 4 is archaic. What does it mean?
If you are saying it's the 4 biggest clubs in Victoria as measured by memberships and attendances, then yes Hawthorn have surpassed Carlton and Richmond (when you include pet memberships ;D).
My take on this big 4 stuff is really hw clubs fair when they are not doing well. Given that we have made finals less than anyone else on the last 30 years, we hold up quite well. Of course it helps to have the MCG as your home, a tiger as your mascot (kids love them), good colours and the best team song.
The last time Richmond were wooden spooners in 2007 we only won 3 matches yet had an average H&A attendance of over 41,000 which was the third highest in the entire league that year behind Collingwood who played finals and Essendon who finished 12th but still were in finals calculations until late in the year and had both Sheedy & Hird on farwell tours.
That's what a really big club looks like.
I thought my last line indicated what you more eloquently put?
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I see the Modern football landscape in Vic as:-
1. Collingwood
Daylight
2. Richmond and Essendon
Daylight
3. Hawthorn.
Daylight.
4. Carlton and Geelong.
Daylight.
5. Melbourne.
6. St.kilda
7. Bulldogs
8. North
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I see the Modern football landscape in Vic as:-
1. Collingwood
Daylight
2. Richmond and Essendon
Daylight
3. Hawthorn.
Daylight.
4. Carlton and Geelong.
Daylight.
5. Melbourne.
6. St.kilda
7. Bulldogs
8. North
That's a lot of daylight. Different days of the week?
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I think the big 4 is archaic. What does it mean?
If you are saying it's the 4 biggest clubs in Victoria as measured by memberships and attendances, then yes Hawthorn have surpassed Carlton and Richmond (when you include pet memberships ;D).
My take on this big 4 stuff is really hw clubs fair when they are not doing well. Given that we have made finals less than anyone else on the last 30 years, we hold up quite well. Of course it helps to have the MCG as your home, a tiger as your mascot (kids love them), good colours and the best team song.
The last time Richmond were wooden spooners in 2007 we only won 3 matches yet had an average H&A attendance of over 41,000 which was the third highest in the entire league that year behind Collingwood who played finals and Essendon who finished 12th but still were in finals calculations until late in the year and had both Sheedy & Hird on farwell tours.
That's what a really big club looks like.
I thought my last line indicated what you more eloquently put?
It did - was just underlining your point, not disagreeing with it.
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I think the big 4 is archaic. What does it mean?
If you are saying it's the 4 biggest clubs in Victoria as measured by memberships and attendances, then yes Hawthorn have surpassed Carlton and Richmond (when you include pet memberships ;D).
My take on this big 4 stuff is really hw clubs fair when they are not doing well. Given that we have made finals less than anyone else on the last 30 years, we hold up quite well. Of course it helps to have the MCG as your home, a tiger as your mascot (kids love them), good colours and the best team song.
The last time Richmond were wooden spooners in 2007 we only won 3 matches yet had an average H&A attendance of over 41,000 which was the third highest in the entire league that year behind Collingwood who played finals and Essendon who finished 12th but still were in finals calculations until late in the year and had both Sheedy & Hird on farwell tours.
That's what a really big club looks like.
I thought my last line indicated what you more eloquently put?
It did - was just underlining your point, not disagreeing with it.
:thumbsup
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Carlton call in AFL as membership drive stalls.
Sam Lane
The Age
March 5, 2015
Despite being one of the competition's oldest and most successful clubs, the new Blues' hierarchy accepts it is suffering from something tantamount to an identity crisis. A theme in recent feedback from fans is that the Blues have been too eager to "buy" success and do not stand for anything readily definable.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-call-in-afl-as-membership-drive-stalls-20150304-13v99e.html
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A theme in recent feedback from fans is that the Blues have been too eager to "buy" success and do not stand for anything readily definable.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-call-in-afl-as-membership-drive-stalls-20150304-13v99e.html
Been telling the Carlton missus and a workmate this for a while and they don't like hearing it ;D they don't know what long term suffering is and just expect to improve because they're so used to buying their flags.
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A theme in recent feedback from fans is that the Blues have been too eager to "buy" success and do not stand for anything readily definable.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-call-in-afl-as-membership-drive-stalls-20150304-13v99e.html
Been telling the Carlton missus and a workmate this for a while and they don't like hearing it ;D they don't know what long term suffering is and just expect to improve because they're so used to buying their flags.
thats a concern in itself
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Carlton's tight finances compelled the club to receive AFL assistance in February, with the Blues having received a five-figure advance from their annual AFL distribution.
While many clubs receive advances on their multimillion-dollar annual dividend – often to make ends meet in the off-season – Carlton's need for a "small" five-figure cash injection was a direct consequence of the club's struggles in membership.
The advance payment from the AFL – common among clubs with tight finances, but rare for the competition's power clubs – comes as the Blues deal with a diminished sponsorship from the Pratt family, whose company Visy has reduced its outlay from $1.5million four years ago to $500,000 this year.
http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/astronomy/mars-once-had-a-sea-larger-than-the-arctic-ocean-20150305-13wqrj.html
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The bluebagger fans aren't happy campers at the minute :nope ;D. This post on their forum sums up the mood.
regrettably club just isn't a attractive proposition to fans anymore - agree doesn't stand for anything - management and club drifted away from members and fans years ago - bereft of ideas - see how many jump off if we lose first 3 or 4 games like the last 2 years and finals hopes dashed by May - no real superstars at the club apart from Judd who is waning - a coach that refuses really to participate in any meaningful dialogue with the public (see woeful press conference antics )
A board full of rich oligarchs who would not have an inkling of what the average carlton supporters and members concerns are and how to address them - no elections for board members - no chance of person other than a millionaire being on the board - members who seek election pilloried by those on the board for trying
By the way have bought 3 memberships like every year BUT recognise it is a donation to a shambolic organisation which seems to have little competence on and off the field - another grey dark winter ahead in 2015
http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=34560
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I'm going to enjoy this downward spiral :)
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should we shaft Carlton for the R1 game and ask Hawthorn if they wanna play us in R1 opener.
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Carlton's tight finances compelled the club to receive AFL assistance in February, with the Blues having received a five-figure advance from their annual AFL distribution.
While many clubs receive advances on their multimillion-dollar annual dividend – often to make ends meet in the off-season – Carlton's need for a "small" five-figure cash injection was a direct consequence of the club's struggles in membership.
The advance payment from the AFL – common among clubs with tight finances, but rare for the competition's power clubs – comes as the Blues deal with a diminished sponsorship from the Pratt family, whose company Visy has reduced its outlay from $1.5million four years ago to $500,000 this year.
I know I bang on about karma a fair bit but here's another example of it doing it's best work. You want to cheat - cop this, and you want to steal other club's pokie revenue after all the ground work has been done - cop this. Suffer, you miserable cheating lowlife.
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We lost it in 1982
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Carlton's tight finances compelled the club to receive AFL assistance in February, with the Blues having received a five-figure advance from their annual AFL distribution.
While many clubs receive advances on their multimillion-dollar annual dividend – often to make ends meet in the off-season – Carlton's need for a "small" five-figure cash injection was a direct consequence of the club's struggles in membership.
The advance payment from the AFL – common among clubs with tight finances, but rare for the competition's power clubs – comes as the Blues deal with a diminished sponsorship from the Pratt family, whose company Visy has reduced its outlay from $1.5million four years ago to $500,000 this year.
I know I bang on about karma a fair bit but here's another example of it doing it's best work. You want to cheat - cop this, and you want to steal other club's pokie revenue after all the ground work has been done - cop this. Suffer, you miserable cheating lowlife.
I hesitate to say this bc I really do feel for the young blokes(it isn't their fault) but its a bit like melbournes luck with top draftees - karma's a bitch for the amount of tanking that pathetic organisation has doen over the journey. Even the shifty back room shenanigans they did with GWS to get Viney for a 2nd rounder. They stuffed up by passing ona future superstar of the game Ollie Wines - so suck poo you wankers
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The Blues' annual revenue is still in the top 5 in the AFL (we're 11th). However, we have greater assets than the Carlton and of course making million dollar profits compared to their million dollar losses.
5. Carlton
Ownership Structure: Membership, Limited by Guarantee
2014 Revenue: $56,641,156
2014 Loss: ($1,605,453)
2014 Assets: $25,295,881
2014 Annual Report (http://footyindustry.com/files/2014%20Reports/AFL/Carlton%202014%20Annual%20Report.pdf)
The Blues have begun to feel the lack of success financially, with members not buying into the Club despite the 150th year celebrations in 2014. Even the Blues own po-kie facilities dropped a million in revenue, while small decreases were also felt across the board. The Blues need to start playing finals again, and quickly before the hole deepens.
11. Richmond
Ownership Structure: Membership, Limited by Guarantee
2014 Revenue: $44,408,127
2014 Profit: $1,329,530
2014 Assets: $29,345,548
2014 Annual Report (http://footyindustry.com/files/2014%20Reports/AFL/Richmond%202014%20Annual%20Report.pdf)
As the phoenix continues to rise so do the fortunes of the Richmond football club, as the fellows from Punt Road set new records in membership revenue, sponsorship revenue and coterie revenue, as well as running a tight, efficient ship. The club is every chance of passing Collingwood for members in the near future.
http://www.bigfooty.com/news/2015/03/afl-rich-list-your-clubs-finances-rated/
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Very interesting read the entire BF article, very interesting indeed
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WP where did you think we sit on the wealth ladder in the AFL?Do you think the loss of those pokie venues a few years back has been made up for in other areas or are we still feeling the pinch?
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WP where did you think we sit on the wealth ladder in the AFL?Do you think the loss of those pokie venues a few years back has been made up for in other areas or are we still feeling the pinch?
Read the article Gig and it tells you where we sit.
Personally, and I've said this many times they haven't done enough to replace the Pokie revenue. They seem to have used the FTF to cover that loss and I don't agree with that. I think they rely to heavily on the FTF. They have been very lucky with it so far IMVHO.
I am also concerned with these reports about us bing interested in getting involved in a new NBL franchise. I don't know many NBL sides that turn a profit. Therefore & again it's just MHO not a smart move.
I know where I'd be looking to invest and it isn't in another sport
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im probably the only bloke that only cares when we beat them. All this other rubbish means SFA. Big 4 this that WGAF
They have embarrassed our club more than we have them thats a fact. Ditto the gypsy kangaroos
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Angus I also want to smash them into oblivion...Despite most having Collingwood and the Dons as their least favourite club,this mob is in my book a clear number one .
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im probably the only bloke that only cares when we beat them. All this other rubbish means SFA. Big 4 this that WGAF
They have embarrassed our club more than we have them thats a fact. Ditto the gypsy kangaroos
Maybe in recent times but overall our head to head finals & GF record against them actually says otherwise.
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im probably the only bloke that only cares when we beat them. All this other rubbish means SFA. Big 4 this that WGAF
They have embarrassed our club more than we have them thats a fact. Ditto the gypsy kangaroos
I think Myself and Tigeritis are just as passionate in hating/beating the two clubs you mention.
As much as I wanna smash them both I'll take a pensive one point win anytime against those two. :gotigers