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Title: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Zlatan on June 06, 2015, 11:06:40 PM
i love the big Yugoslavian as much as the next person. he will be 30 next year and will not go around forever.

Outside of Rance arguable the most important piece in the puzzle due to position and role
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Zlatan on June 06, 2015, 11:08:28 PM
   Matthew Kreuzer   
#8   Carlton Blues
Age: 26yr    Games: 107     Born: May 13, 1989   
Height: 200cm     Weight: 103kg     Position: Ruck
Last Drafted: Priority Pick #1 2007 National Draft

   Matthew Leuenberger   
#23   Brisbane Lions
Age: 26yr 11mth    Games: 100     Born: June 7, 1988   
Height: 203cm     Weight: 100kg     Position: Ruck
Last Drafted: Round 1, Pick #4 2006 National Draft

Tom Nicholls   ???
#22   Gold Coast Suns
Age: 23yr 3mth    Games: 22     Born: March 4, 1992   
Height: 201cm     Weight: 98kg     Position: Ruck
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Zlatan on June 06, 2015, 11:15:05 PM
Do we already have the new model here?

(http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/475971966-tyrone-vickery-of-the-richmond-tigers-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QXH3pbuwf1e5PDcTIEKRvPswFOh55dO9FibiIP7Av9%2BU570wMQTkjU9%2BOw%2FQa6Qp0p3CmGdp0wEByEmGnIyToA4%3D)
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Diocletian on June 06, 2015, 11:40:54 PM
Kreuzer was pretty damn impressive today all things considered.
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Zlatan on June 06, 2015, 11:46:28 PM
Kreuzer was pretty damn impressive today all things considered.

bad news his price will go up / carlton less likely to sell
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: TigerLand on June 06, 2015, 11:58:18 PM
I still don't think we've worked out whether Vickery is going to be our stay at home 2nd forward to Jack, a forward that relieves our Number 1 ruckman or a full time ruckman that rests forward.

I wonder if we will get to a stage where we rotate Vickery and Benny G and not have an out and out ruckman. Bit like how Hawks did it with Hale and Roughead before McEvoy came along.
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Diocletian on June 07, 2015, 12:02:49 AM
If Kreuzer wants to leave, he'll leave but will no doubt he'll cost a pretty penny, not sure a player with his injury history should be taking up as much cap space as he will for 3-5 years, which is what I imagine his contract length would likely be around.
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Andyy on June 07, 2015, 12:45:16 AM
Wouldn't be paying poo for Kreuzer. He's played about 1 game in 12 months?

Leuenberger same, just injury-prone.

Need to draft a promising ruckman, and look for a younger bloke with 3+ years on a list and some physical development already done IMO.
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Zlatan on June 07, 2015, 12:47:59 AM
Wouldn't be paying poo for Kreuzer. He's played about 1 game in 12 months?

Leuenberger same, just injury-prone.

Need to draft a promising ruckman, and look for a younger bloke with 3+ years on a list and some physical development already done IMO.

no we want to win the flag now

drafting an 18 year old ruckman isnt going to cut it

need 22-28 year old unless its a stuff
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: bojangles17 on June 07, 2015, 06:36:07 AM
It's a good q , coz if we bring in Krueger or leunberger , almost guarantee TV could walk as a FA in 12 months. And what have we achieved other than importing talented crocs that rarely get on the park
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: TigerLand on June 07, 2015, 11:49:22 AM
Personally I can't see Ty leaving at all.

He's a smart guy, his form has been ordinary and the whack to Cox potentially could have ended his own career since his name was dirt in football circles.
His old man is at the club, he's pretty cosy at RFC. He'll be paid well. Can't see anyone offering him overs.
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Phil Mrakov on June 07, 2015, 11:52:14 AM
i love the big Yugoslavian as much as the next person. he will be 30 next year and will not go around forever.

Outside of Rance arguable the most important piece in the puzzle due to position and role
I don't think a Ivan would be to happy to be called a Yugoslavian
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Yeahright on June 07, 2015, 01:15:29 PM
Need to draft a promising ruckman, and look for a younger bloke with 3+ years on a list and some physical development already done IMO.

no we want to win the flag now

drafting an 18 year old ruckman isnt going to cut it

need 22-28 year old unless its a stuff
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A younger bloke with 3+ years on a list will put him in the 22+ age bracket ::)
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Diocletian on June 07, 2015, 02:06:30 PM
i love the big Yugoslavian as much as the next person. he will be 30 next year and will not go around forever.

Outside of Rance arguable the most important piece in the puzzle due to position and role
I don't think a Ivan would be to happy to be called a Yugoslavian

Tito coined the term and he was a Croat.
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: tony_montana on June 07, 2015, 02:11:00 PM
Would like to see Vickery spending more and more time in the ruck, there's something about him in the ruck, great spatial awareness and very agile in close. Having said that I wouldn't say no to any of the 3 ruckmen listed above (within reason price wise though) wouldn't want to be giving away too much cap space to injury prone players.


Not a ruckman but what do people think of lachie Henderson in the yellow and black?
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: bojangles17 on June 07, 2015, 02:31:56 PM
If we didn't have rance yes, if re signed , No not required , get another mid like Dan hannebry  :clapping
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Eat_em_Alive on June 07, 2015, 03:14:52 PM
Having been excited by his 2011 form and dissapointed since it would be easy to say trade him but...
Dimma and the club appear to highly value him.
Looking at our structure going forward I believe the club see this:

Vickery as our long term ruck prospect replacing Maric, the short term playing deep forward and relieving Ruck.
Griff as CHF and Jack playing off HFF and moving higher up the ground. This will allow McBean to get occasionly get game time and time to develop as key forward. There's nothing to say down the track Vick, Griff and beanie dont all share ruck duties during a game.

For me it's a question will Vickery come on to be the player we hope? Or tease us every few weeks
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: 🏅Dooks on June 07, 2015, 03:53:26 PM
They'd be hoping Hampson is ready to rock within 18-24 months  as Maric gets too old.

If not (likely), we need a gun ruck. Zac Clarke has always floated my boat and might be ready then. Another name that comes to mind is Dawson Simpson

Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: (•))(©™ on June 07, 2015, 03:55:35 PM
There is no way in the world Vickery will ever be a first ruck.
He simply doesn't have it.
He's a dizzy wacko.
This will come back to smash the club.
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: cub on June 07, 2015, 04:01:38 PM
If we're pinning our hopes on Hampson may as well pack up shop
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Andyy on June 07, 2015, 04:38:58 PM
Say what you want. We need to develop some young rucks so we're not in this position again in 5 years!

Should always have somebody in the pipeline!!
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: big tone on June 07, 2015, 05:21:32 PM
Need to draft a genuine young ruckman for sure but as we have seen during the trade period decent established ruckman come up all the time. Probably just best to wait until Maric is nearly done. Still got a couple of years yet I would think going on his current form. Also considering he wasn't playing much as first ruck in the first half of his career at Adeliade his body should be younger than his age actually is.
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: (•))(©™ on June 07, 2015, 05:57:48 PM
Say what you want. We need to develop some young rucks so we're not in this position again in 5 years!

Should always have somebody in the pipeline!!

This !
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on June 07, 2015, 06:17:02 PM
They'd be hoping Hampson is ready to rock within 18-24 months  as Maric gets too old.

If not (likely), we need a gun ruck. Zac Clarke has always floated my boat and might be ready then. Another name that comes to mind is Dawson Simpson

Also Like Zac Clarke. Looks lost at Freo atm
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: (•))(©™ on June 07, 2015, 06:26:47 PM
Griff and Vicks want to be forwards.
They have no interest in working as hard as a first ruckman.
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Zlatan on June 07, 2015, 07:03:18 PM
quote mistake

So?

we are going to wait till Ivan is 35?

i am all for getting a gun 18 year old ruckman on the list, if possible.

but you need a mature ruckman, ideally around 25 to replace maric, IMO

If we didn't have rance yes, if re signed , No not required , get another mid like Dan hannebry  :clapping

 :huh
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Yeahright on June 07, 2015, 07:04:36 PM
Also considering he wasn't playing much as first ruck in the first half of his career at Adeliade his body should be younger than his age actually is.

Bung groin and moves like a dinosaur. Don't think his body is any younger than his age suggest IMO
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Zlatan on June 07, 2015, 07:05:07 PM
They'd be hoping Hampson is ready to rock within 18-24 months  as Maric gets too old.

If not (likely), we need a gun ruck. Zac Clarke has always floated my boat and might be ready then. Another name that comes to mind is Dawson Simpson

im hoping pigs start flying. not holding my breath but

If we're pinning our hopes on Hampson may as well pack up shop

 :clapping
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Zlatan on June 07, 2015, 07:08:02 PM
Say what you want. We need to develop some young rucks so we're not in this position again in 5 years!

Should always have somebody in the pipeline!!

True but generall first year ruckman take a long, long time to be ready

like Maric started to come good only a few years ago

hence, ideally you would want an older ruckman (like a hampson but not rubbish) and a battalion of young ruck prospects

Griff and Vicks want to be forwards.
They have no interest in working as hard as a first ruckman.

ideally you would keep Griff, tyrone, jack as forwards

Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: bojangles17 on June 07, 2015, 07:11:01 PM
No one could convince me TV is not the answer but Zac Clarke is , you d have to be out of your mind  :o
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Zlatan on June 07, 2015, 07:13:36 PM
No one could convince me TV is not the answer but Zac Clarke is , you d have to be out of your mind  :o

try and improve your English so you can be understood:  what does the following mean?

If we didn't have rance yes, if re signed , No not required , get another mid like Dan hannebry  :clapping
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: (•))(©™ on June 07, 2015, 07:26:58 PM
U need a plethora of good rucks.
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: cub on June 07, 2015, 07:46:56 PM
I said get longer and was shot down, not many are superstars and this guy is starting to stand up.
Rfco I'll take an 80k package that'll do me for something I love
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Zlatan on June 07, 2015, 07:55:50 PM
U need a plethora of good rucks.

you do but first and foremost, if maric goes down, or at a time post maric, you need someone that isnt hampson - IMHO

and preferable someone that is not 18 years of age
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: lamington on June 07, 2015, 09:28:14 PM
does anyone know how far Ivan Soldo is off from being AFL standard?
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on June 07, 2015, 10:05:39 PM
does anyone know how far Ivan Soldo is off from being AFL standard?
He's just a little bit behind Hamspon……

I think you now understand how far away he really is! ;D
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: No More on June 08, 2015, 10:10:01 AM
Scott Lycett should be the ruck target for Richmond. Conca and a later draft pick going the other way would even out the trade.
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: camboon on June 08, 2015, 10:34:15 AM
Ty Vickery seem good in the ruck

He holds his own except against most other ruckman

Let's then develop the next ruckman through the draft who  not only rucks but competes around the ground
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: No More on June 08, 2015, 10:43:15 AM
Vickery and Griffiths should stay up forward. Lycett could easily takeover from Maric. We are one ruckman short because the Hampson deal never worked out for us.
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on June 08, 2015, 10:52:40 AM
Wouldn't mind a late pick on Gach Nyuon who played for Vic Country in the last two Championships. This Sudanese youngster looks to have a base you can build on and athleticism. :pray
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Andyy on June 08, 2015, 12:06:55 PM
Say what you want. We need to develop some young rucks so we're not in this position again in 5 years!

Should always have somebody in the pipeline!!

True but generall first year ruckman take a long, long time to be ready

like Maric started to come good only a few years ago

hence, ideally you would want an older ruckman (like a hampson but not rubbish) and a battalion of young ruck prospects


Don't quote me if you're not reading what I say... First post - draft a young kid, and get somebody with 3+ years experience who is able to take over from Maric in 2 years or so.

Maric is playing well enough for now. Don't see the point getting somebody like Kreuzer/Leuenberger at age 26+. By the time Maric is retiring (I guess another 2 years after 2015) these blokes will be 28-29 years old and will give us 2-3 years max. Can't play Maric AND a bloke like Leuenberger. Kreuzer would have to replace Griffiths or Vickery.

Admittedly I would consider trading Vickery for Kreuzer but that's about it...

Wouldn't be paying poo for Kreuzer. He's played about 1 game in 12 months?

Leuenberger same, just injury-prone.

Need to draft a promising ruckman, and look for a younger bloke with 3+ years on a list and some physical development already done IMO.
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Andyy on June 08, 2015, 12:11:40 PM
I said get longer and was shot down, not many are superstars and this guy is starting to stand up.
Rfco I'll take an 80k package that'll do me for something I love

Claw said the same thing and I have to agree. This bloke will be a great ruck! Shame we didn't pursue him. Would likely have cost us our 1st round pick (Lennon) for Longer and probably Brisbane's 2nd round pick (Lewis Taylor). Would have been an awesome deal...
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: The Machine on June 08, 2015, 09:01:24 PM
does anyone know how far Ivan Soldo is off from being AFL standard?


Has a 3 year rookie contract with the aim to take over from Ivan thereafter. Very determined I will add.
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Stalin on July 06, 2015, 11:05:39 AM
Say what you want. We need to develop some young rucks so we're not in this position again in 5 years!

Should always have somebody in the pipeline!!

True but generall first year ruckman take a long, long time to be ready

like Maric started to come good only a few years ago

hence, ideally you would want an older ruckman (like a hampson but not rubbish) and a battalion of young ruck prospects


Don't quote me if you're not reading what I say... First post - draft a young kid, and get somebody with 3+ years experience who is able to take over from Maric in 2 years or so.

Maric is playing well enough for now. Don't see the point getting somebody like Kreuzer/Leuenberger at age 26+. By the time Maric is retiring (I guess another 2 years after 2015) these blokes will be 28-29 years old and will give us 2-3 years max. Can't play Maric AND a bloke like Leuenberger. Kreuzer would have to replace Griffiths or Vickery.

Admittedly I would consider trading Vickery for Kreuzer but that's about it...

Wouldn't be paying poo for Kreuzer. He's played about 1 game in 12 months?

Leuenberger same, just injury-prone.

Need to draft a promising ruckman, and look for a younger bloke with 3+ years on a list and some physical development already done IMO.

Cause we want to win the flag now-3 year period

It's nice drafting a promising ruckman but most the times you have to wait six years for anything
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Andyy on July 06, 2015, 11:19:33 AM
If we get Kreuzer or Leuenberger we can't play Maric.

Can their bodies hold up? That's my only main gripe I suppose.


'berger showed what he's capable of VS Fremantle yesterday. Was mouthwatering.
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Stalin on July 06, 2015, 11:21:13 AM
If we get Kreuzer or Leuenberger we can't play Maric.

Can their bodies hold up? That's my only main gripe I suppose.


'berger showed what he's capable of VS Fremantle yesterday. Was mouthwatering.

Maric won't be able play every game a season... One wouldn't think
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Eat_em_Alive on July 06, 2015, 02:23:58 PM
We do have some talent on that list.
Actually we have a mix between senior, junior, quality, talent, experience and a rookie.
The problem is consistency of performance as Dimma puts it.
                                                                                                                Games       Goals
Player Name   Ht   Wt   DoB   Debut   Recruited From   2015   Career   2015   Career

Ivan Maric        200   102   04.01.86   Rd 6,2006   Keilor/Calder U18    13   145    3   53
Tyrone Vickery  200   98   31.05.90   Rd 12,2009   Sandringham U18    7   94   11   112
Ben Griffiths     200   102   17.09.91   Rd 10,2010   B/burn/Eastern U18    11   46   12   28
Shaun Hampson 201 106    21.03.88   Rd 21,2007   Mt Gravatt (Qld)    0   74   0   33
Liam Mcbean    202   93   25.08.94   Rd 7,2015   Ab (Vic)/Calder U18    2   2   0   0

Rookie listed
Ivan Soldo       204   103  14.04.96   Debut -
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: TigerLand on July 06, 2015, 02:43:59 PM
Reports say that the MRP to decide whether it is intentional or careless. Apparently if it's intentional it'll be 2 weeks down to 1 and if careless it's a fine. I would have thought it was reckless. Which from memory is in between.
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: WilliamPowell on July 06, 2015, 04:08:13 PM
Reports say that the MRP to decide whether it is intentional or careless. Apparently if it's intentional it'll be 2 weeks down to 1 and if careless it's a fine. I would have thought it was reckless. Which from memory is in between.

Don't think "reckless" exists anymore Pope

Think it was one of the changes they made tot he grading system for season 2015
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: lamington on July 06, 2015, 05:23:56 PM
Knowing Ross Lyon, he will probably keep pushing Sandilands and continue to deprive ruckman down the chain of opportunity. As such I think we could potentially poach something from Freo.

Someone here has already flagged Clarke as maybe someone we can poach but what are people's thoughts on even someone like Hannath who is largely untried or their Rookie Craig Moller?
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: Stalin on July 06, 2015, 05:30:14 PM
Ask clawski
Title: Re: Maric back up, replacment, upgrade?
Post by: (•))(©™ on July 06, 2015, 05:54:32 PM
I have no faith in McBean.