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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Zlatan on June 06, 2015, 11:06:40 PM
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i love the big Yugoslavian as much as the next person. he will be 30 next year and will not go around forever.
Outside of Rance arguable the most important piece in the puzzle due to position and role
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Matthew Kreuzer
#8 Carlton Blues
Age: 26yr Games: 107 Born: May 13, 1989
Height: 200cm Weight: 103kg Position: Ruck
Last Drafted: Priority Pick #1 2007 National Draft
Matthew Leuenberger
#23 Brisbane Lions
Age: 26yr 11mth Games: 100 Born: June 7, 1988
Height: 203cm Weight: 100kg Position: Ruck
Last Drafted: Round 1, Pick #4 2006 National Draft
Tom Nicholls ???
#22 Gold Coast Suns
Age: 23yr 3mth Games: 22 Born: March 4, 1992
Height: 201cm Weight: 98kg Position: Ruck
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Do we already have the new model here?
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Kreuzer was pretty damn impressive today all things considered.
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Kreuzer was pretty damn impressive today all things considered.
bad news his price will go up / carlton less likely to sell
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I still don't think we've worked out whether Vickery is going to be our stay at home 2nd forward to Jack, a forward that relieves our Number 1 ruckman or a full time ruckman that rests forward.
I wonder if we will get to a stage where we rotate Vickery and Benny G and not have an out and out ruckman. Bit like how Hawks did it with Hale and Roughead before McEvoy came along.
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If Kreuzer wants to leave, he'll leave but will no doubt he'll cost a pretty penny, not sure a player with his injury history should be taking up as much cap space as he will for 3-5 years, which is what I imagine his contract length would likely be around.
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Wouldn't be paying poo for Kreuzer. He's played about 1 game in 12 months?
Leuenberger same, just injury-prone.
Need to draft a promising ruckman, and look for a younger bloke with 3+ years on a list and some physical development already done IMO.
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Wouldn't be paying poo for Kreuzer. He's played about 1 game in 12 months?
Leuenberger same, just injury-prone.
Need to draft a promising ruckman, and look for a younger bloke with 3+ years on a list and some physical development already done IMO.
no we want to win the flag now
drafting an 18 year old ruckman isnt going to cut it
need 22-28 year old unless its a stuff
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It's a good q , coz if we bring in Krueger or leunberger , almost guarantee TV could walk as a FA in 12 months. And what have we achieved other than importing talented crocs that rarely get on the park
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Personally I can't see Ty leaving at all.
He's a smart guy, his form has been ordinary and the whack to Cox potentially could have ended his own career since his name was dirt in football circles.
His old man is at the club, he's pretty cosy at RFC. He'll be paid well. Can't see anyone offering him overs.
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i love the big Yugoslavian as much as the next person. he will be 30 next year and will not go around forever.
Outside of Rance arguable the most important piece in the puzzle due to position and role
I don't think a Ivan would be to happy to be called a Yugoslavian
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Need to draft a promising ruckman, and look for a younger bloke with 3+ years on a list and some physical development already done IMO.
no we want to win the flag now
drafting an 18 year old ruckman isnt going to cut it
need 22-28 year old unless its a stuff
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A younger bloke with 3+ years on a list will put him in the 22+ age bracket ::)
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i love the big Yugoslavian as much as the next person. he will be 30 next year and will not go around forever.
Outside of Rance arguable the most important piece in the puzzle due to position and role
I don't think a Ivan would be to happy to be called a Yugoslavian
Tito coined the term and he was a Croat.
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Would like to see Vickery spending more and more time in the ruck, there's something about him in the ruck, great spatial awareness and very agile in close. Having said that I wouldn't say no to any of the 3 ruckmen listed above (within reason price wise though) wouldn't want to be giving away too much cap space to injury prone players.
Not a ruckman but what do people think of lachie Henderson in the yellow and black?
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If we didn't have rance yes, if re signed , No not required , get another mid like Dan hannebry :clapping
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Having been excited by his 2011 form and dissapointed since it would be easy to say trade him but...
Dimma and the club appear to highly value him.
Looking at our structure going forward I believe the club see this:
Vickery as our long term ruck prospect replacing Maric, the short term playing deep forward and relieving Ruck.
Griff as CHF and Jack playing off HFF and moving higher up the ground. This will allow McBean to get occasionly get game time and time to develop as key forward. There's nothing to say down the track Vick, Griff and beanie dont all share ruck duties during a game.
For me it's a question will Vickery come on to be the player we hope? Or tease us every few weeks
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They'd be hoping Hampson is ready to rock within 18-24 months as Maric gets too old.
If not (likely), we need a gun ruck. Zac Clarke has always floated my boat and might be ready then. Another name that comes to mind is Dawson Simpson
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There is no way in the world Vickery will ever be a first ruck.
He simply doesn't have it.
He's a dizzy wacko.
This will come back to smash the club.
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If we're pinning our hopes on Hampson may as well pack up shop
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Say what you want. We need to develop some young rucks so we're not in this position again in 5 years!
Should always have somebody in the pipeline!!
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Need to draft a genuine young ruckman for sure but as we have seen during the trade period decent established ruckman come up all the time. Probably just best to wait until Maric is nearly done. Still got a couple of years yet I would think going on his current form. Also considering he wasn't playing much as first ruck in the first half of his career at Adeliade his body should be younger than his age actually is.
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Say what you want. We need to develop some young rucks so we're not in this position again in 5 years!
Should always have somebody in the pipeline!!
This !
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They'd be hoping Hampson is ready to rock within 18-24 months as Maric gets too old.
If not (likely), we need a gun ruck. Zac Clarke has always floated my boat and might be ready then. Another name that comes to mind is Dawson Simpson
Also Like Zac Clarke. Looks lost at Freo atm
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Griff and Vicks want to be forwards.
They have no interest in working as hard as a first ruckman.
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quote mistake
So?
we are going to wait till Ivan is 35?
i am all for getting a gun 18 year old ruckman on the list, if possible.
but you need a mature ruckman, ideally around 25 to replace maric, IMO
If we didn't have rance yes, if re signed , No not required , get another mid like Dan hannebry :clapping
:huh
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Also considering he wasn't playing much as first ruck in the first half of his career at Adeliade his body should be younger than his age actually is.
Bung groin and moves like a dinosaur. Don't think his body is any younger than his age suggest IMO
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They'd be hoping Hampson is ready to rock within 18-24 months as Maric gets too old.
If not (likely), we need a gun ruck. Zac Clarke has always floated my boat and might be ready then. Another name that comes to mind is Dawson Simpson
im hoping pigs start flying. not holding my breath but
If we're pinning our hopes on Hampson may as well pack up shop
:clapping
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Say what you want. We need to develop some young rucks so we're not in this position again in 5 years!
Should always have somebody in the pipeline!!
True but generall first year ruckman take a long, long time to be ready
like Maric started to come good only a few years ago
hence, ideally you would want an older ruckman (like a hampson but not rubbish) and a battalion of young ruck prospects
Griff and Vicks want to be forwards.
They have no interest in working as hard as a first ruckman.
ideally you would keep Griff, tyrone, jack as forwards
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No one could convince me TV is not the answer but Zac Clarke is , you d have to be out of your mind :o
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No one could convince me TV is not the answer but Zac Clarke is , you d have to be out of your mind :o
try and improve your English so you can be understood: what does the following mean?
If we didn't have rance yes, if re signed , No not required , get another mid like Dan hannebry :clapping
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U need a plethora of good rucks.
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I said get longer and was shot down, not many are superstars and this guy is starting to stand up.
Rfco I'll take an 80k package that'll do me for something I love
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U need a plethora of good rucks.
you do but first and foremost, if maric goes down, or at a time post maric, you need someone that isnt hampson - IMHO
and preferable someone that is not 18 years of age
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does anyone know how far Ivan Soldo is off from being AFL standard?
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does anyone know how far Ivan Soldo is off from being AFL standard?
He's just a little bit behind Hamspon
I think you now understand how far away he really is! ;D
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Scott Lycett should be the ruck target for Richmond. Conca and a later draft pick going the other way would even out the trade.
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Ty Vickery seem good in the ruck
He holds his own except against most other ruckman
Let's then develop the next ruckman through the draft who not only rucks but competes around the ground
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Vickery and Griffiths should stay up forward. Lycett could easily takeover from Maric. We are one ruckman short because the Hampson deal never worked out for us.
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Wouldn't mind a late pick on Gach Nyuon who played for Vic Country in the last two Championships. This Sudanese youngster looks to have a base you can build on and athleticism. :pray
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Say what you want. We need to develop some young rucks so we're not in this position again in 5 years!
Should always have somebody in the pipeline!!
True but generall first year ruckman take a long, long time to be ready
like Maric started to come good only a few years ago
hence, ideally you would want an older ruckman (like a hampson but not rubbish) and a battalion of young ruck prospects
Don't quote me if you're not reading what I say... First post - draft a young kid, and get somebody with 3+ years experience who is able to take over from Maric in 2 years or so.
Maric is playing well enough for now. Don't see the point getting somebody like Kreuzer/Leuenberger at age 26+. By the time Maric is retiring (I guess another 2 years after 2015) these blokes will be 28-29 years old and will give us 2-3 years max. Can't play Maric AND a bloke like Leuenberger. Kreuzer would have to replace Griffiths or Vickery.
Admittedly I would consider trading Vickery for Kreuzer but that's about it...
Wouldn't be paying poo for Kreuzer. He's played about 1 game in 12 months?
Leuenberger same, just injury-prone.
Need to draft a promising ruckman, and look for a younger bloke with 3+ years on a list and some physical development already done IMO.
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I said get longer and was shot down, not many are superstars and this guy is starting to stand up.
Rfco I'll take an 80k package that'll do me for something I love
Claw said the same thing and I have to agree. This bloke will be a great ruck! Shame we didn't pursue him. Would likely have cost us our 1st round pick (Lennon) for Longer and probably Brisbane's 2nd round pick (Lewis Taylor). Would have been an awesome deal...
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does anyone know how far Ivan Soldo is off from being AFL standard?
Has a 3 year rookie contract with the aim to take over from Ivan thereafter. Very determined I will add.
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Say what you want. We need to develop some young rucks so we're not in this position again in 5 years!
Should always have somebody in the pipeline!!
True but generall first year ruckman take a long, long time to be ready
like Maric started to come good only a few years ago
hence, ideally you would want an older ruckman (like a hampson but not rubbish) and a battalion of young ruck prospects
Don't quote me if you're not reading what I say... First post - draft a young kid, and get somebody with 3+ years experience who is able to take over from Maric in 2 years or so.
Maric is playing well enough for now. Don't see the point getting somebody like Kreuzer/Leuenberger at age 26+. By the time Maric is retiring (I guess another 2 years after 2015) these blokes will be 28-29 years old and will give us 2-3 years max. Can't play Maric AND a bloke like Leuenberger. Kreuzer would have to replace Griffiths or Vickery.
Admittedly I would consider trading Vickery for Kreuzer but that's about it...
Wouldn't be paying poo for Kreuzer. He's played about 1 game in 12 months?
Leuenberger same, just injury-prone.
Need to draft a promising ruckman, and look for a younger bloke with 3+ years on a list and some physical development already done IMO.
Cause we want to win the flag now-3 year period
It's nice drafting a promising ruckman but most the times you have to wait six years for anything
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If we get Kreuzer or Leuenberger we can't play Maric.
Can their bodies hold up? That's my only main gripe I suppose.
'berger showed what he's capable of VS Fremantle yesterday. Was mouthwatering.
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If we get Kreuzer or Leuenberger we can't play Maric.
Can their bodies hold up? That's my only main gripe I suppose.
'berger showed what he's capable of VS Fremantle yesterday. Was mouthwatering.
Maric won't be able play every game a season... One wouldn't think
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We do have some talent on that list.
Actually we have a mix between senior, junior, quality, talent, experience and a rookie.
The problem is consistency of performance as Dimma puts it.
Games Goals
Player Name Ht Wt DoB Debut Recruited From 2015 Career 2015 Career
Ivan Maric 200 102 04.01.86 Rd 6,2006 Keilor/Calder U18 13 145 3 53
Tyrone Vickery 200 98 31.05.90 Rd 12,2009 Sandringham U18 7 94 11 112
Ben Griffiths 200 102 17.09.91 Rd 10,2010 B/burn/Eastern U18 11 46 12 28
Shaun Hampson 201 106 21.03.88 Rd 21,2007 Mt Gravatt (Qld) 0 74 0 33
Liam Mcbean 202 93 25.08.94 Rd 7,2015 Ab (Vic)/Calder U18 2 2 0 0
Rookie listed
Ivan Soldo 204 103 14.04.96 Debut -
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Reports say that the MRP to decide whether it is intentional or careless. Apparently if it's intentional it'll be 2 weeks down to 1 and if careless it's a fine. I would have thought it was reckless. Which from memory is in between.
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Reports say that the MRP to decide whether it is intentional or careless. Apparently if it's intentional it'll be 2 weeks down to 1 and if careless it's a fine. I would have thought it was reckless. Which from memory is in between.
Don't think "reckless" exists anymore Pope
Think it was one of the changes they made tot he grading system for season 2015
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Knowing Ross Lyon, he will probably keep pushing Sandilands and continue to deprive ruckman down the chain of opportunity. As such I think we could potentially poach something from Freo.
Someone here has already flagged Clarke as maybe someone we can poach but what are people's thoughts on even someone like Hannath who is largely untried or their Rookie Craig Moller?
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Ask clawski
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I have no faith in McBean.