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Football => View from the Outer => Topic started by: Hard Roar Tiger on June 14, 2015, 08:35:20 AM
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I've never booed anyone at the football.
I've always found it a little puerile as an expression but I don't have an issue unless Richmond supporters boo their own players.
That view aside, it's a part of the game and is generally set aside for umpires, poor performing teams, acts of violence on the field & players who have reputations as being tools or cheats.
Which brings me to Adam Goodes.
One of my favourite players so far this century (the prelim final vs Saints, the gf against Wce which nearly won them back to back and routine tearing richmond a new one as examples) he's had as big an impact as most.
In the last couple of years, I've become annoyed at his free kick staging and his persecution based opinion of others which is ironic.
There's always a balance between recognising the past and moving forward together - I'm not sure he gets the balance right.
But that's his view, his entitled to it and I'm certainly not going to boo him for it.
Equally I respect the rights of football fans for booing him for his tool like behaviour - be it his on field antics or off field. You put yourself out there - expect feedback.
What I find incredible is the way the football community are almost implying that there is a racist undertone behind the booing. 70 indigenous players in the competition, why is Goodes being booed over them? Plenty of indigenous players before him - Long, Winmar, D Rioli etc never booed for standing up for themselves or their rights - never booed?
Perhaps people think Goodes is a tool and has earnt the right to be booed - like a Ballentyne at the Dockers.
His inability to deal with it (by ignoring it) has made it worse and the football communities paranoia about it had actually made it worse.
There's probably a few racists in the crowd booing Goodes, I'd imagine there are plenty more, far,far more who aren't and are now booing at the insinuation that they are.
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People have always booed or expressed their verbal disapproval at the footy for a number of reasons. Sniping, staging, cheating etc etc. If anything crowd behaviour has improved 10 fold since the 70s. Now you get families women and kids to the footy whereas 35 years ago it was 75% men, half of which had a skin full.
If it was not possible people were booing him for any other reason other than race then you'd worry and the proof would be there. But he is a proven repeated stager and in many people's opinions, a rubbish bloke. Not alot different to Harvey. I don't think it's likely its race based.
Its possible some people booing him are doing it on race I guess, however, assuming and accusing someone's verbal expression and motives are based on race without substantial proof or probability is as dangerous as racism itself, and the media commentators tread this fine line often when they make a statements on the issue.
In deciding to vent at a player, I couldn't care less what their ethnicity or background is as it doesn't come into play as a factor.
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Booooooooooooo
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Boourns.
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I've never booed anyone at the football.
I've always found it a little puerile as an expression but I don't have an issue unless Richmond supporters boo their own players.
That view aside, it's a part of the game and is generally set aside for umpires, poor performing teams, acts of violence on the field & players who have reputations as being tools or cheats.
Which brings me to Adam Goodes.
One of my favourite players so far this century (the prelim final vs Saints, the gf against Wce which nearly won them back to back and routine tearing richmond a new one as examples) he's had as big an impact as most.
In the last couple of years, I've become annoyed at his free kick staging and his persecution based opinion of others which is ironic.
There's always a balance between recognising the past and moving forward together - I'm not sure he gets the balance right.
But that's his view, his entitled to it and I'm certainly not going to boo him for it.
Equally I respect the rights of football fans for booing him for his tool like behaviour - be it his on field antics or off field. You put yourself out there - expect feedback.
What I find incredible is the way the football community are almost implying that there is a racist undertone behind the booing. 70 indigenous players in the competition, why is Goodes being booed over them? Plenty of indigenous players before him - Long, Winmar, D Rioli etc never booed for standing up for themselves or their rights - never booed?
Perhaps people think Goodes is a tool and has earnt the right to be booed - like a Ballentyne at the Dockers.
His inability to deal with it (by ignoring it) has made it worse and the football communities paranoia about it had actually made it worse.
There's probably a few racists in the crowd booing Goodes, I'd imagine there are plenty more, far,far more who aren't and are now booing at the insinuation that they are.
So, what you're saying is, although you don't boo, you don't mind that he's booed now because he's a idiot.
We agree.
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Thinks he's bigger than the game
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Thinks he's bigger than the game
He's precious and a narcissist.
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Thinks he's bigger than the game
He's precious and a narcissist.
And a racist.
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The "boos" IMHO have more to do with how he plays the games than anything else. Yep there are probably people who boo him for racial reasons but the IMHO for the majority it has nothing to do with it
The diving and staging for frees, the sooking on and off the field, the trying to justify the diving and staging have tuned people off. Even when he won his Brownlow I've always hated the way he stages, never been a fan
That's not raced based it's simply about the way someone plays the game. It's not the right way, it's poor sportsmanship.
But it's easier to make it racial than for people to actually call this bloke out on his poor sportsmanship and they way he tarnishes the game. Only person who seems to constantly make it racial is Goodes himself
Just my take
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I don't like the way Goodes plays the game,i think he spends way too much time trying to enlist the aide of umpires or put one over them.Howwever I get the feeling that a lot of the booing has a malice in it that I haven't seen directed at other players.
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That's not raced based it's simply about the way someone plays the game. It's not the right way, it's poor sportsmanship.
But it's easier to make it racial than for people to actually call this bloke out on his poor sportsmanship and they way he tarnishes the game.
I disagree that it's easier to make it racial WP - Goodes made it racial with his unfair, over the top and unrepentant reaction to the young Collingwood supporter, he made it racial with his divisive and very ill-timed remarks at his Australian Of The Year acceptance speech and he made it racial with his unprovoked, egotistical and pointless war dance directed at opposition fans in a game from a round promoted with an aim and theme of acknowledgement, acceptance and tolerance of each other. He was raised by a single mother (which so many of us are regardless of race) who lived in a white middle class environment and was subjected to little or none of the so-called prejudices he claims to be so deeply affected by. He is a grand-standing grub who I have zero respect for, as a person or sportsman.
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Smokey do you know for fact that he wasn't subjected to the so called prejudices you refer to?..if what you say is true then his personal accounts ring hollow
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That's not raced based it's simply about the way someone plays the game. It's not the right way, it's poor sportsmanship.
But it's easier to make it racial than for people to actually call this bloke out on his poor sportsmanship and they way he tarnishes the game.
I disagree that it's easier to make it racial WP - Goodes made it racial with his unfair, over the top and unrepentant reaction to the young Collingwood supporter, he made it racial with his divisive and very ill-timed remarks at his Australian Of The Year acceptance speech and he made it racial with his unprovoked, egotistical and pointless war dance directed at opposition fans in a game from a round promoted with an aim and theme of acknowledgement, acceptance and tolerance of each other. He was raised by a single mother (which so many of us are regardless of race) who lived in a white middle class environment and was subjected to little or none of the so-called prejudices he claims to be so deeply affected by. He is a grand-standing grub who I have zero respect for, as a person or sportsman.
Maybe I didn't explain myself very well Smokey.
But when I say it's easier to make it racial, I meant it is easier for the media to make the booing a racial issue rather than actually looking deeper and actually acknowledging that it is in a lot cases it's not about race but about footy fans having zero respect for the way the bloke goes about playing the game
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No probs WP, that makes your point clearer to me. And I agree 100%!
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the irony of all this is it seems that we are not able to form an opinion on Goodes based on how we view him as a person, but on the color of his skin.
because he is black, we cannot dislike him, without being labelled as racist, by some.
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the irony of all this is it seems that we are not able to form an opinion on Goodes based on how we view him as a person, but on the color of his skin.
because he is black, we cannot dislike him, without being labelled as racist, by some.
Yep
Sadly, so true.
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Smokey do you know for fact that he wasn't subjected to the so called prejudices you refer to?..if what you say is true then his personal accounts ring hollow
If you read back through the litany of articles by or about him he mentions domestic violence for 2 or 3 years which his mother removed herself and her 3 boys from when Goodes was 14, citing how it was devastating to his family and his 'community' (allowing the indigenous perception of community to apply) but nothing about race-based prejudice or disadvantage. He lived in Adelaide at the time, his natural father (a white Anglo-Saxon who the boys all still have contact with) had left when he was 4 and lived in Qld, and nothing is ever recorded that race was the cause of any Goodes family 'issues'. He has never lived in a community, he has never lived off the land, he has never experienced race-based disadvantage but he speaks as someone who has been personally and deeply affected and never ever corrects the record when the perception is floated. Google him and read the myriad of articles paying particular attention to how the scope, intent and content changes from when he is a young adult just making it in football to when he is an older person with an agenda to push. I can't help but feel he has allowed an unfair and inaccurate impression to fester and grow over the years to suit some purpose he now feels important. Which would be fine if he was honest and true to himself, nothing of which I see in the older more mature Adam Goodes.
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the irony of all this is it seems that we are not able to form an opinion on Goodes based on how we view him as a person, but on the color of his skin.
because he is black, we cannot dislike him, without being labelled as racist, by some.
would agree 100% with this comment albert.
Goes the same with woman IMO.. Cant make a comment without being labelled a misogynist.
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the irony of all this is it seems that we are not able to form an opinion on Goodes based on how we view him as a person, but on the color of his skin.
because he is black, we cannot dislike him, without being labelled as racist, by some.
Yep
Sadly, so true.
The AFL seem preoccupied with the stigma of being "a brand" associated with racism that they jump at anything that would remotely link it - even if supporters are subtly viewed as being racist for booing someone on their basis of skin colour.
I'd maintain that there are a number of people out there booing who feel slighted at the insinuation - the booing seems to be getting louder?
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i for one, am insulted by it, and with some commentators it has not been an insinuation, it has been an accusation
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i for one, am insulted by it, and with some commentators it has not been an insinuation, it has been an accusation
Based on an assumption.
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Goodes has created a divide based on his actions.
If the roles were reversed he would be drawn and quartered.
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If Ruby Hamad's on your side, chances are high that you're a fool.
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Goodes has created a divide based on his actions.
If the roles were reversed he would be drawn and quartered.
I'm thinking its a considered provocation.
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I reckon the booing of Goodes is for a variety of reasons both legit (purely football) and non-legit (ugly/political by a minority) reasons depending on boo-er but here is an example tonight of a legit reason for why he gets booed.
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Like a Balinese monkey, will pinch anything!!
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If the rumours are true then Goodes no doubt enjoyed that. :shh
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It's a Neanderthal thing....
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the irony of all this is it seems that we are not able to form an opinion on Goodes based on how we view him as a person, but on the color of his skin.
because he is black, we cannot dislike him, without being labelled as racist, by some.
Yep
Sadly, so true.
I can call him a black dog idiot and I do.
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Last night he actually increased my dislike for him, which is a pretty good effort considering how much i already did.
I refuse to not dislike him just because he is black and the do-gooder hardly prudes can go forth and multiply.
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Al I don't like the way he goes about his football but I leave it at that
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Booed the stuffer all night
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Yesss :clapping
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Al I don't like the way he goes about his football but I leave it at that
Yep me too
Have always thought he is a sook
But the last 3-4 years it's got worse his constant sooking to the umps and now with the staging for free kicks the way play he plays is a blight on the game
Has nothing to do with his race or political views for me it's solely about footy and he is simply a poor sportsman
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Al I don't like the way he goes about his football but I leave it at that
i've edited my post as it was a bit ambiguous.
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He's actually adopted.
His real parents were Iraqi.
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I don't dislike him because he's black but it makes it more fun.
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Booed the stuffer all night
Did you call the Swans crowd racist when they booed the umpires?
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Some interesting opinions here. I'll add mine to the pile;
What absolutely disappoints me is a proper lack of sympathy for Goodes. Hate him when he takes the field for the less than sportsman-like tactics he has employed more recently, but for gods sake, he's one of the games modern champions. There is a clear and undeniable racial undercurrent to the 'booing'; and whilst I would think most of it legitimately stands as unrest for his tactics, there would be some who simply boo because they're racist pricks. The manner in which he is booed contains a large element of this, and those that do wish to boo him need to understand they're lending their voice, and giving an amount of legitimacy to racism.
Some of the posters here also accused him of having no right to raise Aboriginal issues, which really is disastrously ill-informed and unfair. Because he grew up in a "white" part of Australia he is not entitled to associate with his Aboriginality? Seriously?
Here's some fun facts regarding indigenous peoples in Australia and around the world:
There is no such thing as Race; which is to say there is no actual biological basis for the notion of Race. During the height of imperial colonization (anywhere from 1500 - 1800) social theorism took prominence with ideas of 'social darwinism' which is to say there existed a hierarchy of peoples from around the world; and that of course the most cultivated sat at the top of this ladder; that being white Europeans. These theories; and they still exist as nothing more than antiquated theories, gave justification and rationale for the obvious inhuman treatment of indigenous inhabitants from various new world countries. In other words, "we're better than you, therefore we deserve your land and you have no rights in our world'. Aboriginal Australians suffered relatively fiercely (although admittedly not as bad as South Americans or Calypso inhabitants) from this method of thinking.
The killing of Tasmanian aboriginals ranks as the 6th greatest genocide in contemporary history. The 6th biggest!
And we call Adam Goodes a flog simply for raising these facts in a public forum. He was awarded Australian of the year, he didn't nominate for it. He was given the award for being a high-achieving and excellent role model for aboriginal Australians, and when he used that forum to raise issues that gripe with the general white Australia, we cringe.
After all, its easier to blame someone else and call them a flog than own up to our own errors of the past.
I dont' like the way he goes about his football at the moment, but I adore the bloke for standing up for what he believes in; speaking obvious unpleasant truths to a public and KNOWING he would receive backlash for it; for the greater good of society and his people. What have you done in your life?
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Bloke is a wanker. Uses his indigenous heritage as a crutch - IE everybody only criticises him 'because he's black' kind of BS. Victim victim victim.
He is also inherently racist himself and frequently refers to 'you' (plural) and 'us' (indigenous) when discussing Australia's population to maintain a clear distinction between who he believes is deserving of the title.
So like I said - wanker! The fact that he's of indigenous background is only incidental to me.
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sweet
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There is a clear and undeniable racial undercurrent to the 'booing'. The manner in which he is booed contains a large element of this, and those that do wish to boo him need to understand they're lending their voice, and giving an amount of legitimacy to racism.
Political correctness gone mad. How on earth do people booing a player who happens to be aboriginal have anything to do with race? Should I stand and point at any aboriginal, greek, latino or whatever who boos Brent Harvery? Can tell you now, they aren't booing him because he's white but because he is a little prick.
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There is a clear and undeniable racial undercurrent to the 'booing'. The manner in which he is booed contains a large element of this, and those that do wish to boo him need to understand they're lending their voice, and giving an amount of legitimacy to racism.
Political correctness gone mad. How on earth do people booing a player who happens to be aboriginal have anything to do with race? Should I stand and point at any aboriginal, greek, latino or whatever who boos Brent Harvery? Can tell you now, they aren't booing him because he's white but because he is a little prick.
Can't boo Boomer cause he's a dwarf
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I boo Boomer.
I don't boo the little dude on Game Of Thrones.
I refuse to admit to being a dwarfist.
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Dirty dog players get what they deserve from the crowd.
That's rock and roll.
It's because he's a dirty, sneaky lying idiot on the field.
Always has been.
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I watched the Channel 9? Sunday Footy Show with interest where they asked Sam Mitchell about the booing he received during the Collingwood game.
I presume this was in relation to his injecting sledge and not some racist Indigenous supporters.
He basically said he didn't care, quite liked it, reckoned part of the game where people let off steam after a week of work.
I'm disappointed Goodsey hasn't had a press conference expressing his disappointment - perhaps he will wait for the next SWANs vs Hawks game
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why would colonwoood supporters boo someone for sledging Essendon?
everyone else applauded him.....
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rance was laughing @ Australian of the year before the bounce
pretty funny stuff
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LEWIS Jetta says his last-quarter goal celebration against West Coast, in which he reprised the indigenous war dance carried out by Adam Goodes earlier in the year, was done in support of his great mentor.
Goodes was booed every time he gathered possession in the Swans' loss to the Eagles at Domain Stadium, just as he had been in most matches since he performed the dance against Carlton in May.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-26/hes-had-enough-of-it-jetta-sticks-up-for-his-mate (there you go OE & WP ::))
Why must it all be turned into a racial issue? Goodes was booed long before his war dance wasn't he? Poor soul is just sick of it ::)
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And with any number of other indigenous players on both sides the booing must just be a racist thing hey! :banghead :banghead :banghead
Nothing to do with the fact the man is a grub.
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Havessome respect >:(
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Lol goodes and jetta :snidegrin
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He's just trying to reclaim Australia.
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There IS NO INDISGENOUS war dance.
It's a load of crap.
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Tipping this'll really make a lot of supporters stop and think....
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/if-you-boo-adam-goodes-youre-a-racist-says-swans-boss-andrew-pridham-20150727-gilc0n.html
...and then decide to start booing even more...
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Tipping this'll really make a lot of supporters stop and think....
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/if-you-boo-adam-goodes-youre-a-racist-says-swans-boss-andrew-pridham-20150727-gilc0n.html
...and then decide to start booing even more...
Talk about inflaming the issue. I would have booed him, no problem, because he's an effing wanker.
BUT I was over it and thought, maybe we should just move on because it's not doing the game any good and maybe there are ulterior motives behind it "for some". Reality, there are racists out there, but not all of them that are booing him are.
BUT no-one can tell me that I am a racist because I would have booed him. Absolutely nothing to do with him being black, and I suspect these comments will just inflame the issue even further.
Nice work, Andrew, just made it impossible to find a solution.
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Definitely going to boo him now.
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I know whose heads are buried in sand Andrew and it isn't those booing him. Wake up and smell the roses - Goodes played the racism card from the start and has done nothing except inflame it since. Classic racist behaviour if you ask me.
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last night i had the dubious honour of being in the company of a redneck bogan, complete with mullet, for a short time.
and i quote
"my daughter knows if she ever brings a n****r onto our property, he wont be leaving"
and the stuffwits want to put all those who dislike goodes, yet dont give other indigenous players the same treatment, in the same category as this bloke?
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It's all getting rather hysterical now....
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/mark-robinson-on-adam-goodes-booing-haters-will-ruin-ournbspgrandnbspday/story-fnpp4dl6-1227459444223
...also if Sydney make the GF, which they still very much could, pretty sure Goodes won't be taking part in any pre-match motorcades....
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I don' tknow what's funnier, Goodes or robbo
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Sydney chairman has just said if you boo Goodes you're racist...
This is hilarious, the afl industry is digging itself into a bigger hole by the hour. There was a lot of discotent when Rendall was treated the way he was, people will not budge on this - I can see the afl resorting to making a new anti boo law lmao. Will sink the game quick smart
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They're the only ones making it a racial issue. Goodes just thinks so highly of himself, that he's so perfect that it has nothing to do with playing dirty, playing for free kicks because the game is past him, having a sook over everything. No, clearly it must be because he's black. So Adam, why don't Franklin or Jetta cop the same treatment from the crowd when Sydney play?
Dead set I hope the booing intensifies. What an arrogant pig.
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they had that stuffwit frawley that runs the show up here on the radio carrying on about it was all racist blah blah. he said he wants the afl to schedule a syney game up here next year so poor pitiful me Adam can play in a environment where it wont happen. the vast majority of callers and texts in reply got stuck into goodes, despite the dozy presenter repeatedly saying this all has come about after the spear chucka actions he did.
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Sounds like they're discriminating against whites. We can't do this, we can't do that. I hope we have a round in our honour.
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They're the only ones making it a racial issue. Goodes just thinks so highly of himself, that he's so perfect that it has nothing to do with playing dirty, playing for free kicks because the game is past him, having a sook over everything. No, clearly it must be because he's black. So Adam, why don't Franklin or Jetta cop the same treatment from the crowd when Sydney play?
Dead set I hope the booing intensifies. What an arrogant pig.
or selwood, harvey or lloyd??
kidding yourself if other players and there are plenty who stage more than goodes cop more or equal to what he has endured.
I really wonder if it would be this would be that bad had he not won AOTY. My guess is no.
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My take not that it means much.
It baffles me why people have the energy to boo week in week out and to the same bloke. I get the umpires thing but even that takes too much energy. Mitchell was yes thats true but for one week. Watson was for a month but thats over now, and in hindsight why did they boo him. Is he a cheat as we stand here today?
Personally i think the world is stuffed if you have grown men upwards of 60 booing a bloke with their kids next to them for reasons, stemming from winning the Aus of the year and getting a few cheap free kicks. Deny all you like but it all started then or it really cranked up a geer then, so blame those who delivered it not the recipient.
Imagine the kids asking their old man why he was booing. "aah son because he won the award he didnt deserve or he staged for frees or he stands up for something he believes in and the indigenous community respect him for.
Sorry most here wont like this but i like Goodes. I met him in Sydney and he was a dude. Saw him quite a lot riding a $5 bike around Bondi. Give me a bloke that any day than a carey or n stevens kind of flog.
I think there is a lack of sympathy shown here to the man who is a champion of the game. yes champion, for reasons like "staging for frees" . Harvey will retire soon and besides how i perceive some of his onfield antics, he will still go down as a great servant of the game.
Lastly i dont know much about the work he does with indigenous people, but show me one indigenous person now who has not defended him or will not. Bet you dont find one. He is well very respected by them and seems like an eloquent spokesman for his people.
I think for some its racial but mostly its a sheep mentality starting with the award and its grown legs.
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Whether it was unwittingly or not, he has become the indigenous provocateur of the AFL.
An Anthony Mundine if you will.
At the time I thought good on him, keeping the bastards honest but boy YOUD want to have a thick skin - like Mundine.
You've made your bed Adam, whether you agree or not, you've made your bed now.
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My take not that it means much.
It baffles me why people have the energy to boo week in week out and to the same bloke. I get the umpires thing but even that takes too much energy. Mitchell was yes thats true but for one week. Watson was for a month but thats over now, and in hindsight why did they boo him. Is he a cheat as we stand here today?
Personally i think the world is stuffed if you have grown men upwards of 60 booing a bloke with their kids next to them for reasons, stemming from winning the Aus of the year and getting a few cheap free kicks. Deny all you like but it all started then or it really cranked up a geer then, so blame those who delivered it not the recipient.
Imagine the kids asking their old man why he was booing. "aah son because he won the award he didnt deserve or he staged for frees or he stands up for something he believes in and the indigenous community respect him for.
Sorry most here wont like this but i like Goodes. I met him in Sydney and he was a dude. Saw him quite a lot riding a $5 bike around Bondi. Give me a bloke that any day than a carey or n stevens kind of flog.
I think there is a lack of sympathy shown here to the man who is a champion of the game. yes champion, for reasons like "staging for frees" . Harvey will retire soon and besides how i perceive some of his onfield antics, he will still go down as a great servant of the game.
Lastly i dont know much about the work he does with indigenous people, but show me one indigenous person now who has not defended him or will not. Bet you dont find one. He is well very respected by them and seems like an eloquent spokesman for his people.
I think for some its racial but mostly its a sheep mentality starting with the award and its grown legs.
He might be a great bloke but he behaves like a prima donna on field. Australians hate prima donnas. Remember how he carried on when Rance slid in a contest with Buddy? The replay showed no contact but he behaved like Rance had decapitated Buddy. Performances like that are now common in his game. FFS he was bestowed Australian of the year. He should behave in a respectable way, not like a sook.
I thought his award was complete BS. I know people who grew up in far worse situations and have worked tirelessly all their life to help people for little reward who will never get an award like that because they are not indigenous. It was a racist decision giving it to him. Of course it is not his fault he was given the award. But once he received it he should have started to behave in a way that paid respect to the award. No faking for frees and carrying on like a pork chop on field. He his being booed for a reason Angus. If you can't see this, you are refusing to see the obvious.
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Okay great so its his on field antics then yeah? good so others like harvey and carey copped the same flack for a year on end week in week out did they?
i know why his being bood and like i said there is far worse than him on a footy field and have been in the past. I think if you want to boo then good luck to you. I just think its sad seeing old blokes do it to the same guy with their kids next to them. If my girls were to pull that crap with me next to them i know what il be saying to them, but thats my opionion and i respect others if they want to boo just dont get why they waste their energy. I barely watch a full game these days let alone waste my time booing a bloke.
My question is why didnt others like sellwood j king etc etc cop the same treatement for years on end if its about the staging? That's what some including you are saying its about.
Your right about one thing he didnt beg for the award it was given to him so direct your hate toward them.
i see all players have come out in support and seem united on this so they are all wrong hey?
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Al I don't like the way he goes about his football but I leave it at that
Yep me too
Have always thought he is a sook
But the last 3-4 years it's got worse his constant sooking to the umps and now with the staging for free kicks the way play he plays is a blight on the game
Has nothing to do with his race or political views for me it's solely about footy and he is simply a poor sportsman
you ever see jake king stage for frees or you were on the turps at that time, or just conveniently not like to focus on others who do it.
Harvey, L thomas, lloyd blights on the game also and poor sportsmen?
Just saying you have a view great and there is nothing wrong with it but to single a bloke solely because of staging is the biggest load of crap. Its more than that otherwise we would hear you bitch and moan about all the players who do it in the league.
For some its racial, some its the award and the majority are just sheep who have jumped on, siimilar to the hate once directed to a bloke named hewitt.
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I had a lot of time and respect for Adam Goodes going back and in spite of the eroding of his performance as a footballer with his whinging and staging in later years, I never really cared enough to comment or react because it seemed just small blips on his otherwise good football character, but the single thing that lost me was his disgraceful behaviour to a young child who had little or no idea that what she was saying was racist, or had the maturity to have a valid comprehension of the meaning of her words. A true "good person" or "gentleman" or "indigenous leader" would have handled that issue in such a different way instead of the inflammatory, egotistical, petulant and completely unforgiving way Goodes went about it and at that point that was it for me. Nothing about his race, but all about his character. And his actions since, especially his speech on being named AOTY, have done nothing but confirm in my eyes what a self-absorbed person he really is. He has an agenda that is all about Adam Goodes and he doesn't give a flying f about the mechanisms he uses to push that agenda. A true leader would speak about the issues he cares about seeking an outcome that is for reconciliation and promotion of sharing the common purpose for the betterment of our country, not embarking on a mission of inciting division and hatred. He is exactly the person he rails against but he has a large number of media sycophants who are more than happy to peddle his poison for the sake of a headline or conflict to scoop on, mostly because it is easy and lazy journalism, something that comes naturally to so many in the p-weak fraternity that call themselves journalists in our country.
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I understand your point Angus, and to be honest I agree why bother booing? I wouldn't waste my time or energy booing the bloke, because he isn't worth my time or energy
But I pose this question to you
there are a lot of indigenous players running around every week; Buddy, Cyril, Burgoyne, the Hill Bros, Titch Edwards to name a few
All these blokes play every week and they don't get booed. Why? If it was simply a racial issue then IMV there would be more booing but there isn't.
So this is about an individual, not a race but an individual who clearly has polarised people
Yes there are some out there that are booing for racial reasons but there is also a lot of people booing him because of way he now plays the game
Throw in some of the comments he made about Australia and Australians while he was Australian of the Year and he clearly hasn't endeared himself to people.
I mean who could forget his comments about Australia Day, saying we shouldn't celebrate it. We he speaks it's always divisive unlike Michael Long who always speaks about being inclusive.
I would suggest that Adam Goodes take a step back and actually take some responsibility for his own actions and words. Because whether he realises it or not his words & actions promote the very thing that he always seems to make things about and that's racism
Just my take
And can I add I don't think the Chairman of the Swans or their CEO has helped the situation by making comments and saying it is solely about racism.
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I have no respect for his comments in the past,, his actions, but enough is enough
People still calling him an ape, so there is a lot of racism out there and he has to cop it and not expect to be upset about it. Pretty hard thing not to be upset
When Andrew Symons was called a monkey most people were appalled. I don't think Goodes is any different.
Booing has been part of footy and nothing wrong with it when it's footy related, but to keep on going with it when I think he has received the message is overkill and trying to put him in a mindset he probably will find difficult to cope with.
I don't like him, but I don't understand the pure hatred of the man.
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The fact that he is taking time off footy IMHO makes things worse. Makes him look more of a sook. More of a self opinionated prima donna.
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My take not that it means much.
It baffles me why people have the energy to boo week in week out and to the same bloke.
He's not playing in front of the same crowds every week.... the only people who would watch him every week would be Sydney supporters who never boo him. Everyone else would only watch him once or twice a year.
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You must be old or a lazy slob or both if you think booing someone takes energy? You're sitting down watching the footy and probably scoffing down a pie or two. How hard is it to throw in a few boo's?
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Besides, he only gets about 12 touches a game these days....
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Yeahright I struggle to find patience and energy to even sit through a full game of AFL the way it is played these days and adding booing to it in front of my kids. Yeah na not for me pal but knock yourself out.
Froars agree
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This is his last season anyway but Caro reckons Goodes has played his last game and will retire so the Swans can move on.
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Sydney chairman has just said if you boo Goodes you're racist...
who died and made this nobody flog God?
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His comments were very stupid
No-one can say what reasons anyone boos for. Some people boo for his footy antics, some for his stance on the girl, some for his Australia Day speech and some for his remarks on racism, and some just for the heck of it.
But Adam Goodes perceives some of it is racist and that is his problem with it. And I would think he would be right that some of it is racist.
It's not about what we did with booing Jab, we clearly knew what we were booing him about. This is completely different because everyone is booing him for their own reasons and not all of it is footy related, some are for personal reasons.
It's only going to escalate, no amount of reasoning and talking this out is having any effect whatsoever.
Ross Greenwood came out this morning came out and said he just boos him for his footy antics. That's fine, but he can't speak for everyone, and neither can I and neither can the Swans boss.
If we just stop it would be good - all the points about the issue have been made.
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AUSTRALIA hates a sook and a dobber.
He's both.
He's also a hypocrite. Bullies smaller players on field
And now cries bully.
He can go stuff himself.
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(http://s4.postimg.org/pal1b31bh/image.jpg)
Have you seen the real time vision of that screen grab? Absolutely nothing in it.
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That's Hunts problem.
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Daniel Andrews has launched a scathing attack on those booing Adam Goodes and put the acid on more of Australia's leaders to stand up for the Sydney champion.
But 3AW Mornings host Neil Mitchell has accused the Premier of playing politics with the issue.
Mr Andrews said it would be a "tragedy" if the two-time Brownlow medallist retired over the controversy and said there was no doubt the booing was fuelled by racism.
He said he was "disgusted" by what was happening.
"I want to be very clear
People who are booing Adam Goodes, many of them are nothing more than racists," the Premier said.
http://www.3aw.com.au/news/victorian-premier-disgusted-by-the-racist-booing-of-adam-goodes-20150729-gimrva.html
:snidegrin :snidegrin
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That's Hunts problem.
:lol
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AUSTRALIA hates a sook and a dobber.
He's both.
He's also a hypocrite. Bullies smaller players on field
And now cries bully.
He can go stuff himself.
Like Hewitt?
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Okay, we aren't supposed to boo Adam Goodes.
I can do that.
But how about Lewis Jetta?
Or Adam Crowley when he returns.
Or the entire EFC and especially Turd and Jab?
Maybe we shouldn't boo anybody.
Or maybe just the umpires.
:huh
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Can't boo black guys
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AUSTRALIA hates a sook and a dobber.
He's both.
He's also a hypocrite. Bullies smaller players on field
And now cries bully.
He can go stuff himself.
Like Hewitt?
Yes and no
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Can't boo black guys
What if people are booing him because of his Scottish heritage?
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Can't boo black guys
What if people are booing him because of his Scottish heritage?
I thought he was a Turk
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Well, I'm confused......
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Well, whatever it is, he's not booed because he's aboriginal.
Maybe Scottish or Turkish but not Aboriginal.
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If he's a Turk I'm booing him for sure :shh
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Or maybe just the umpires.
Better make sure they are white Australians with no international or aboriginal blood.
You can boo anything white Australian.
Apparently you are nothing more than a racist if you boo anyone that isn't.
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What is Hewi's background?
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At least she has the guts to say it
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/the-goodes-the-bad-and-the-ugly/story-fni0fhh1-1227460762592
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Surely this is some governmental experiment designed to see exactly what they can and can't tell people, what to do and think
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Surely this is some governmental experiment designed to see exactly what they can and can't tell people, what to do and think
Like Boston bombings flase flag
Practice for the real thing
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If he's a Turk I'm booing him for sure :shh
:snidegrin
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What if this whole thing was bought about by a glitch in the Matrix, and the whole program is pooting itself because it doesn't know how to restore normality?
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What if this whole thing was bought about by a glitch in the Matrix, and the whole program is pooting itself because it doesn't know how to restore normality?
Maybe
The Romans were onto it
U give the unwashed masses free bread and games and you shut the hell up and let them go about it
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At least she has the guts to say it
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/the-goodes-the-bad-and-the-ugly/story-fni0fhh1-1227460762592
For Rita, it was a very balanced opinion piece.
Yes got here message across really well
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Surely this is some governmental experiment designed to see exactly what they can and can't tell people, what to do and think
Like Boston bombings flase flag
Practice for the real thing
So you're saying all the Sydney matches were staged using giant mirrors and actors? I knew our win up there was too good to be true....
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At least she has the guts to say it
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/the-goodes-the-bad-and-the-ugly/story-fni0fhh1-1227460762592
For Rita, it was a very balanced opinion piece.
Yes got here message across really well
Agree. Just finished reading it before I got on here. She nailed it actually!
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Some interesting opinions here. I'll add mine to the pile;
What absolutely disappoints me is a proper lack of sympathy for Goodes. Hate him when he takes the field for the less than sportsman-like tactics he has employed more recently, but for gods sake, he's one of the games modern champions. There is a clear and undeniable racial undercurrent to the 'booing'; and whilst I would think most of it legitimately stands as unrest for his tactics, there would be some who simply boo because they're racist pricks. The manner in which he is booed contains a large element of this, and those that do wish to boo him need to understand they're lending their voice, and giving an amount of legitimacy to racism.
Some of the posters here also accused him of having no right to raise Aboriginal issues, which really is disastrously ill-informed and unfair. Because he grew up in a "white" part of Australia he is not entitled to associate with his Aboriginality? Seriously?
Here's some fun facts regarding indigenous peoples in Australia and around the world:
There is no such thing as Race; which is to say there is no actual biological basis for the notion of Race. During the height of imperial colonization (anywhere from 1500 - 1800) social theorism took prominence with ideas of 'social darwinism' which is to say there existed a hierarchy of peoples from around the world; and that of course the most cultivated sat at the top of this ladder; that being white Europeans. These theories; and they still exist as nothing more than antiquated theories, gave justification and rationale for the obvious inhuman treatment of indigenous inhabitants from various new world countries. In other words, "we're better than you, therefore we deserve your land and you have no rights in our world'. Aboriginal Australians suffered relatively fiercely (although admittedly not as bad as South Americans or Calypso inhabitants) from this method of thinking.
The killing of Tasmanian aboriginals ranks as the 6th greatest genocide in contemporary history. The 6th biggest!
And we call Adam Goodes a flog simply for raising these facts in a public forum. He was awarded Australian of the year, he didn't nominate for it. He was given the award for being a high-achieving and excellent role model for aboriginal Australians, and when he used that forum to raise issues that gripe with the general white Australia, we cringe.
After all, its easier to blame someone else and call them a flog than own up to our own errors of the past.
I dont' like the way he goes about his football at the moment, but I adore the bloke for standing up for what he believes in; speaking obvious unpleasant truths to a public and KNOWING he would receive backlash for it; for the greater good of society and his people. What have you done in your life?
What an excellent post Dougey. I agree with every word of it. I am proud that the Richmond Football Club have stood up on his behalf today. :gotigers
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I'm not because they haven't.
They've done what the afl told them to do and by the way, what they're satjnding for is also incorrect.
They're saying, on all our behalf, that the booing is about racism which in itself is so ludicrously corporate in today's day and age.
All the while, this deluded narcissist wanders down the path of his charmed existence, with his millions of dollars and good intentions, not realising he has the IQ of a kennelled K9.
Today we Honor the idealist by proxy.
He's not really achieved anything other than on a sporting level but we do know he has more than an interest in politics for the year 2016.
The club has it entirely wrong and look like rudderless poofters, treading water in a sea of wacko,political correctness.
Boooooooooooooo !!!!!
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Some interesting opinions here. I'll add mine to the pile;
What absolutely disappoints me is a proper lack of sympathy for Goodes. Hate him when he takes the field for the less than sportsman-like tactics he has employed more recently, but for gods sake, he's one of the games modern champions. There is a clear and undeniable racial undercurrent to the 'booing'; and whilst I would think most of it legitimately stands as unrest for his tactics, there would be some who simply boo because they're racist pricks. The manner in which he is booed contains a large element of this, and those that do wish to boo him need to understand they're lending their voice, and giving an amount of legitimacy to racism.
Some of the posters here also accused him of having no right to raise Aboriginal issues, which really is disastrously ill-informed and unfair. Because he grew up in a "white" part of Australia he is not entitled to associate with his Aboriginality? Seriously?
Here's some fun facts regarding indigenous peoples in Australia and around the world:
There is no such thing as Race; which is to say there is no actual biological basis for the notion of Race. During the height of imperial colonization (anywhere from 1500 - 1800) social theorism took prominence with ideas of 'social darwinism' which is to say there existed a hierarchy of peoples from around the world; and that of course the most cultivated sat at the top of this ladder; that being white Europeans. These theories; and they still exist as nothing more than antiquated theories, gave justification and rationale for the obvious inhuman treatment of indigenous inhabitants from various new world countries. In other words, "we're better than you, therefore we deserve your land and you have no rights in our world'. Aboriginal Australians suffered relatively fiercely (although admittedly not as bad as South Americans or Calypso inhabitants) from this method of thinking.
The killing of Tasmanian aboriginals ranks as the 6th greatest genocide in contemporary history. The 6th biggest!
And we call Adam Goodes a flog simply for raising these facts in a public forum. He was awarded Australian of the year, he didn't nominate for it. He was given the award for being a high-achieving and excellent role model for aboriginal Australians, and when he used that forum to raise issues that gripe with the general white Australia, we cringe.
After all, its easier to blame someone else and call them a flog than own up to our own errors of the past.
I dont' like the way he goes about his football at the moment, but I adore the bloke for standing up for what he believes in; speaking obvious unpleasant truths to a public and KNOWING he would receive backlash for it; for the greater good of society and his people. What have you done in your life?
What an excellent post Dougey. I agree with every word of it. I am proud that the Richmond Football Club have stood up on his behalf today. :gotigers
Here here.
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I know I am in the minority on this issue but here's another piece of good writing by Francis Leach. Well, I thought he made some good points
So, who do we want to be?
When Adam Goodes tells us that when he hears the boos and he feels in his guts that theyre about the colour of his skin and his culture, do we choose to ignore him?
Do we prioritise our freedom of expression - even if we feel its misunderstood - over the clearly profound impact it may have on someone else?
Do we bench empathy and give into selfishness and the petty obnoxiousness that is freely on offer in the anonymity of crowds?
Are we so wrapped up in ourselves that we simply refuse to walk a mile in the shoes of a man who has carried himself with pride and dignity yet is clearly wounded by the hostility and the hate?
Are we going to demonise a man whose career is littered with accolades and achievements and not blemished by the sorts of misdemeanours so common amongst his contemporaries?
No drug taking, violence against women, sleeping with your team mates wife, consorting with bikkie gangs and known gangsters or fighting in nightclubs.
No, all of those things are easily forgiven.
In fact, those guys end up on your TV screens and on your radio as the face and voice of the game.
Which shame is greater?
That we live so comfortably with that double standard or that we continue to justify it with a gutless character assassination that bears no relation to reality?
Just how many of those that offer their voices to the chorus of condemnation would dare look Adam Goodes in the eye and express their contempt for him?
In the crowd its easy, unthinking, ugly and powerful. Yes, power. Thats at the heart of it.
When you side with the baying mob that sense of power and dominance must feel great.
The sanctuary of crowds has aways been a place where our darker angels have flourished.
So when they come calling for you next time youre choosing to boo - ask yourself.
So who do we really want to be?
Because the sound of the crowd says a hell of a lot more about who we really are in our hearts than it ever does about Adam Goodes.
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I understand your point Angus, and to be honest I agree why bother booing? I wouldn't waste my time or energy booing the bloke, because he isn't worth my time or energy
But I pose this question to you
there are a lot of indigenous players running around every week; Buddy, Cyril, Burgoyne, the Hill Bros, Titch Edwards to name a few
All these blokes play every week and they don't get booed. Why? If it was simply a racial issue then IMV there would be more booing but there isn't.
So this is about an individual, not a race but an individual who clearly has polarised people
Never did I say it was solely about race and those who do are wrong. Everyone has their own reasons and in fact I have even seen some do a full 180 from one of the original 13 yr old girl thread. (Interesting read and I saw what I thought I would)
That being said it is about race to some idiots, but the majority no and then you have your sheep, Hewitt styles.
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Leach has nailed it.
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LMAO
RELAX EVERYONE.
We have been booing entertainers since the Ancient Greeks.
He's an entertainer (wanker)
He's booed for what he does on the field.
People pay for their ticket and deserve the right to react to the performance in whatever manner they wish.
It's sport/entertainment, not some stuffing life changing cultural event.
He's a drama queen and is loving it.
Media is having a field day
Lol.
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Just my bleeding heart, Ox, you know me lol
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-07-29/tigers-to-wear-dreamtime-guernsey-against-hawthorn
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This racism crap is the AFL manipulating the media to take away from their disgraceful past 3 years and total failure in the workplace and beyond.
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Bolts article nails it
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I think it's 95 % booing the player for his behaviour on field and 5 % racist, give or take.
I don't think the people who are booing are racists in general.
But now it's just out and out bullying and it's pretty ordinary.
Just having an argument online and comparing Milne and Goodes, and them saying Milne got booed worse than Goodes
WELL one effing deserved it, he wa a dirty grub and the other a player who just shiits people
A big difference
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That being said it is about race to some idiots, but the majority no and then you have your sheep, Hewitt styles.
Agree
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Surely this is some governmental experiment designed to see exactly what they can and can't tell people, what to do and think
Like Boston bombings flase flag
Practice for the real thing
So you're saying all the Sydney matches were staged using giant mirrors and actors? I knew our win up there was too good to be true....
Distract the masses with this rubbish, Kardasians, australian drug dealers being killed in Indonesia
while they get ready for the economic collapse and ww3 , maybe :(
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illumunati?
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I think it's 95 % booing the player for his behaviour on field and 5 % racist, give or take.
I don't think the people who are booing are racists in general.
But now it's just out and out bullying and it's pretty ordinary.
Just having an argument online and comparing Milne and Goodes, and them saying Milne got booed worse than Goodes
WELL one effing deserved it, he wa a dirty grub and the other a player who just shiits people
A big difference
I agree froars, the problem is when this story broke/exploded the general view was if you boo then you're racist, no ands, ifs or buts. That really riled and insulted the majority who I believe were booing him for reasons other than colour of skin.
The unfortunate thing is thats its gotten way out of hand know and is getting nasty.
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I think it's 95 % booing the player for his behaviour on field and 5 % racist, give or take.
I don't think the people who are booing are racists in general.
But now it's just out and out bullying and it's pretty ordinary.
Just having an argument online and comparing Milne and Goodes, and them saying Milne got booed worse than Goodes
WELL one effing deserved it, he wa a dirty grub and the other a player who just shiits people
A big difference
I agree froars, the problem is when this story broke/exploded the general view was if you boo then you're racist, no ands, ifs or buts. That really riled and insulted the majority who I believe were booing him for reasons other than colour of skin.
The unfortunate thing is thats its gotten way out of hand know and is getting nasty.
The trouble when both sides of the debate are right. Well, that's what I think.
I see people's reasons for saying we're just booing him and I see why people would think the other way.
The problem is finding a solution to keep everyone happy
Henry Kissinger where are you when we need you lol
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How do we know people aren't just saying GOOOOODES?
...and what about Luke Breust - his own supporters boo him every time he kicks a goal!
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You're supposed to click on it Dooks.
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I'm curious as to how many people know that the young girl that goodes singled out and humiliated rang him and apologised and then also wrote a letter of apology?
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Thanks lads....thought I had stroked out there...
I'm curious as to how many people know that the young girl that goodes singled out and humiliated rang him and apologised and then also wrote a letter of apology?
I'm curious to know how many people like myself who were happy that we all said sorry on behalf the nation, are left not in regret but scratching their heads as to what the hell is going on
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A ship in the harbour is safe, but that's not what ships are built for
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Wasn't it Adam Goodes that used to go into a pack knees first.
Didn't they change the rules because of it.
I wonder if the players hurt by getting a knee in the back felt they had been bullied?
:huh
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Yep he did, '65. There's pics of it on the web.
Anyway, AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan has sent out an open letter to fans. There's also a video to be shown at the grounds this weekend.
"Whether you agree or not, the booing of Adam Goodes is perceived by him and many others as being racially motivated and that's hurting us all.
That is all we need to know."
Read full letter at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-31/afl-ceo-gillon-mclachlans-open-letter-to-fans#sthash.EmvkkvgY.dpuf
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Waite got booed last night by the Carlton crowd.
Racists.
Serious note, can Waite now take a leave of absence due to having his feelings hurt?
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Goodes looked pretty at ease with the world returning to training today.
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Goodes looked pretty at ease with the world returning to training today.
Thought he was retiring :thumbsdown
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Waite got booed last night by the Carlton crowd.
Racists.
Serious note, can Waite now take a leave of absence due to having his feelings hurt?
Waite or White?
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Darryl White....
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Booooooooooooo
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Lol Geelong coach
Flog
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Lucky the next Sydney match isn't at Manuka:
http://www.goodfood.com.au/good-food/food-news/grilled-moroccan-aborigine-and-rocket-salad-hyatt-canberra-hotels-lunch-label-gaffe-20150807-giu3zo.html
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lmao
even funnier they felt they had to explain what the mistake was
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Heard this was part of their dessert menu:
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Rumour Sen / robbo
Booooooo
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John Ralph flog reckons too
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What happensif tthis is the case Sydney forfeit?
Or is there an aboriginal booing rule they split the points?
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What are you on about?
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Sen reckon
Robbo reckons
If Goodes get boooed
Sydney will walk off the ground
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lmao.
that is surely poking the hornets nest with a stick.
it is just about daring the geelong supporters to boo him.
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AFL will probably make Geelong forfeit.....
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lmao.
that is surely poking the hornets nest with a stick.
it is just about daring the geelong supporters to boo him.
About as bright as Tony threatening Putin
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If I was a Sydney supporter and they made Geelong forfeit then I'd disguise myself as a rival supporter for away matches and boo Goodes....they could end winning the flag without even kicking a ball...
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heard some snippets of KB saying that if Goodes thinks him being booed is racist, then it is.
stuff me sideways.
One bloke i know would write himself off and get kicked out whatever establishment he was making and arse of himself in, then always claim it was because he is black.
So according to KBs theory, he is correct.
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Love kB
But nfi in regard this
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So do we now all have to check with Goodes first to see what jokes are funny? Shall we also now despense with the courts and defer all legal matters to him as well? Will he now decide what news is fit to print? Obviously he's now the new national arbiter of all ultimate truth.
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heard some snippets of KB saying that if Goodes thinks him being booed is racist, then it is.
stuff me sideways.
One bloke i know would write himself off and get kicked out whatever establishment he was making and arse of himself in, then always claim it was because he is black.
So according to KBs theory, he is correct.
Its not up to the individual antagonizing to determine if their actions are racist or not, its completely up to the individual on the receiving end. If I called you a stuffing prick, how is it fair if I determine whether I'm offending you or not? If you're offended, you're perfectly entitled to let people know.
There was a time when the N word was used and not considered offensive, how things have changed.
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Is jeering also prohibited. ?
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heard some snippets of KB saying that if Goodes thinks him being booed is racist, then it is.
stuff me sideways.
One bloke i know would write himself off and get kicked out whatever establishment he was making and arse of himself in, then always claim it was because he is black.
So according to KBs theory, he is correct.
What a load of crap
Its not a debate in a women's only room At university
Its booing a professional footballer
Its not up to the individual antagonizing to determine if their actions are racist or not, its completely up to the individual on the receiving end. If I called you a stuffing prick, how is it fair if I determine whether I'm offending you or not? If you're offended, you're perfectly entitled to let people know.
There was a time when the N word was used and not considered offensive, how things have changed.
What a load of crap
Its not a debate in a women's only room At university
Its booing a professional footballer
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heard some snippets of KB saying that if Goodes thinks him being booed is racist, then it is.
stuff me sideways.
One bloke i know would write himself off and get kicked out whatever establishment he was making and arse of himself in, then always claim it was because he is black.
So according to KBs theory, he is correct.
Its not up to the individual antagonizing to determine if their actions are racist or not, its completely up to the individual on the receiving end. If I called you a stuffing prick, how is it fair if I determine whether I'm offending you or not? If you're offended, you're perfectly entitled to let people know.
There was a time when the N word was used and not considered offensive, how things have changed.
Yes and now black people use it in every other sentence and rap "song" instead. Progress.
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heard some snippets of KB saying that if Goodes thinks him being booed is racist, then it is.
stuff me sideways.
One bloke i know would write himself off and get kicked out whatever establishment he was making and arse of himself in, then always claim it was because he is black.
So according to KBs theory, he is correct.
Its not up to the individual antagonizing to determine if their actions are racist or not, its completely up to the individual on the receiving end. If I called you a stuffing prick, how is it fair if I determine whether I'm offending you or not? If you're offended, you're perfectly entitled to let people know.
There was a time when the N word was used and not considered offensive, how things have changed.
So old mate was correct when he claimed he was kicked out because he was black, solely because he said it was?
seroiusly? its not about about if he finds it offensive, its about automatically swallowing the race card.
let me give you another example.
last season we had an opposition player reported for attempting to strike one our player, repeatedly. luckily our player was a copper and knew how to counter the onslaught.
The offending player then got on facebook and claimed they were racially villified. Naturally everyone instantly condemned our players, even though this person admitted that it was not even the person they tried to belt up, that said it.. now i'm sure you are of the ilk that would believe this person and instantly put down your latte and cry blue murder, just because they said so - who is anyone else to say other wise hey, they are black so of course any accusation of racism must be so?
while i never found out what was actually said, i did determine that one of our players was indeed sledging the culprit, but funnily enough is actually darker skinned.....
but hey, they claimed it to be racially based so it must be?
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Its not up to the individual antagonizing to determine if their actions are racist or not, its completely up to the individual on the receiving end
Not when get played 100,000s to play footy
And someone boos you
Then you are a big girls blouse
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heard some snippets of KB saying that if Goodes thinks him being booed is racist, then it is.
stuff me sideways.
One bloke i know would write himself off and get kicked out whatever establishment he was making and arse of himself in, then always claim it was because he is black.
So according to KBs theory, he is correct.
Its not up to the individual antagonizing to determine if their actions are racist or not, its completely up to the individual on the receiving end. If I called you a stuffing prick, how is it fair if I determine whether I'm offending you or not? If you're offended, you're perfectly entitled to let people know.
There was a time when the N word was used and not considered offensive, how things have changed.
So old mate was correct when he claimed he was kicked out because he was black, solely because he said it was?
seroiusly? its not about about if he finds it offensive, its about automatically swallowing the race card.
let me give you another example.
last season we had an opposition player reported for attempting to strike one our player, repeatedly. luckily our player was a copper and knew how to counter the onslaught.
The offending player then got on facebook and claimed they were racially villified. Naturally everyone instantly condemned our players, even though this person admitted that it was not even the person they tried to belt up, that said it.. now i'm sure you are of the ilk that would believe this person and instantly put down your latte and cry blue murder, just because they said so - who is anyone else to say other wise hey, they are black so of course any accusation of racism must be so?
while i never found out what was actually said, i did determine that one of our players was indeed sledging the culprit, but funnily enough is actually darker skinned.....
but hey, they claimed it to be racially based so it must be?
And that's the issue. No one in society should feel that they are above being challenged - no matter what the issue or topic being debated.
If you play with fire......
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heard some snippets of KB saying that if Goodes thinks him being booed is racist, then it is.
stuff me sideways.
One bloke i know would write himself off and get kicked out whatever establishment he was making and arse of himself in, then always claim it was because he is black.
So according to KBs theory, he is correct.
Its not up to the individual antagonizing to determine if their actions are racist or not, its completely up to the individual on the receiving end. If I called you a stuffing prick, how is it fair if I determine whether I'm offending you or not? If you're offended, you're perfectly entitled to let people know.
There was a time when the N word was used and not considered offensive, how things have changed.
It's alright to say you are offended, but calling it racist is completely different.
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Its not up to the individual antagonizing to determine if their actions are racist or not, its completely up to the individual on the receiving end. If I called you a stuffing prick, how is it fair if I determine whether I'm offending you or not? If you're offended, you're perfectly entitled to let people know.
and if i then claimed it was racist, it would be?
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Its not up to the individual antagonizing to determine if their actions are racist or not, its completely up to the individual on the receiving end. If I called you a stuffing prick, how is it fair if I determine whether I'm offending you or not? If you're offended, you're perfectly entitled to let people know.
and if i then claimed it was racist, it would be?
Beat me to it al
So just so I am clear
If sometihng is said to me that I find racial offensive, that I believe is racial vilifying me then it is without question racist?
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Its not up to the individual antagonizing to determine if their actions are racist or not, its completely up to the individual on the receiving end. If I called you a stuffing prick, how is it fair if I determine whether I'm offending you or not? If you're offended, you're perfectly entitled to let people know.
and if i then claimed it was racist, it would be?
Are you a minority?
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Its not up to the individual antagonizing to determine if their actions are racist or not, its completely up to the individual on the receiving end. If I called you a stuffing prick, how is it fair if I determine whether I'm offending you or not? If you're offended, you're perfectly entitled to let people know.
and if i then claimed it was racist, it would be?
Beat me to it al
So just so I am clear
If sometihng is said to me that I find racial offensive, that I believe is racial vilifying me then it is without question racist?
The answer, is yes
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Its not up to the individual antagonizing to determine if their actions are racist or not, its completely up to the individual on the receiving end. If I called you a stuffing prick, how is it fair if I determine whether I'm offending you or not? If you're offended, you're perfectly entitled to let people know.
and if i then claimed it was racist, it would be?
Beat me to it al
So just so I am clear
If sometihng is said to me that I find racial offensive, that I believe is racial vilifying me then it is without question racist?
Only if the person who said it is white and you're not.
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Snip! Leave out the insults ppl.
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Ive always felt the above BS definition of racism to be a massive grey area. Load of poo if you ask me
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Just because you can swear in Cantonese doesn't mean you're Chinese, my friend. :wallywink
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ABC News reported the results of a national poll on the booing issue, concerning whether people thought it was racially motivated or not.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-11/lewis-no-fairytale-ending-to-the-goodes-saga/6688586 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-11/lewis-no-fairytale-ending-to-the-goodes-saga/6688586)
29% of people thought the booing was racially motivated.
Just sayin'
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29% and Fairfax
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Surprised the percentage of Green voters who thought it was racist was only 53%.
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Racist poll.
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Freo fans in good voice
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To totally over intellectualize this
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/the-rise-of-victimhood-culture/404794/?single_page=true
Is this Goodes affair part of a victimization culture? I dunno, only a sociologist would. Interesting article anyway.
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I thought thay Ch7 turned down the crowd noise when Goodes got the ball.
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Sucked in goodes. U make your bed and you lie in it.
Well done Freo supporters.
As if the afl could have ever stopped this with their lefty political campaign against what I
Call terror racism - The enemy doesn't exist !
Booing an hole is australian.
Booing a half pommy is sport.
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happy with goodes send off last night lads or would you prefer a boomer harvey its all about me type arrangement
great career and all the best
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Apparently he said he won't be having anything do to with the Grand Final or Brownlow? Might of been said on TV last night not sure. What a sook. Also hope he gets a nice fine in the mail for that disgraceful kick. Didn't really connect but would still of hurt with studs cutting along your legs.
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whats this kick?
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whats this kick?
He got into it with Scott Thompson and flopped for a free kick, didn't get it so he tried the donkey kick into Thompsons legs while laying on his back. Didn't really connect but it was an ugly look IMO
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your just saying that cause hes black
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your just saying that cause hes black
Oh sorry I forgot I was racist. I hated when Lindsay Thomas did it too (which wasn't as bad as Goodes IMO). I must have serious problems
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your just saying that cause hes black
....and because of his white privilege....
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The retirees procession should be interesting if it's an all-W.A. Grand Final....
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happy with goodes send off last night lads or would you prefer a boomer harvey its all about me type arrangement
great career and all the best
Agree he made the announcement the right way.
But he has undone all the good with his refusal to attend this year Brownlow and the grand final week festivities including the farewell lap of honour. Agree with Yeahright, just another example of his spooking
By doing that he has done a Boomer Harvey; the look at me, it's all about me behaviour
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A sad end to one of the greatest careers I've ever seen, he truly stacks up with all the greats. Could do anything and everything on the park, and was still performing at the top level at 35.
I'm a bit shattered so many here are getting stuck into him for not wanting to attend the brownlow etc. I can't possibly see how that is self-indulgent behavior. He's planning to spend time with his family and head overseas. Seems like a pretty normal thing to do, doesn't want fanfare etc. That would constitute as pretty humble in my books.
Love you Goodesey!
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So he doesnt want to attend the biggest flog fest going around in the juddlow medal, which is in fact the biggest look at me ticket in the calender year. Well what an arrogant prick WP. Boomer though will be there flogging his energy drink.
A sad end to one of the greatest careers I've ever seen, he truly stacks up with all the greats. Could do anything and everything on the park, and was still performing at the top level at 35.
I'm a bit shattered so many here are getting stuck into him for not wanting to attend the brownlow etc. I can't possibly see how that is self-indulgent behavior. He's planning to spend time with his family and head overseas. Seems like a pretty normal thing to do, doesn't want fanfare etc. That would constitute as pretty humble in my books.
Love you Goodesey!
well said
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Good luck to him and congratulations on a great career. :thumbsup
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A sad end to one of the greatest careers I've ever seen, he truly stacks up with all the greats. Could do anything and everything on the park, and was still performing at the top level at 35.
I'm a bit shattered so many here are getting stuck into him for not wanting to attend the brownlow etc. I can't possibly see how that is self-indulgent behavior. He's planning to spend time with his family and head overseas. Seems like a pretty normal thing to do, doesn't want fanfare etc. That would constitute as pretty humble in my books.
Love you Goodesey!
Agree 100 %
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But he has undone all the good with his refusal to attend this year Brownlow and the grand final week festivities including the farewell lap of honour. Agree with Yeahright, just another example of his spooking
Yep, can't fathom the guy, why wouldn't you want a lap of honour where everyone can have their final chance to boo you lol
I think he's made a wise choice by not going
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But he has undone all the good with his refusal to attend this year Brownlow and the grand final week festivities including the farewell lap of honour. Agree with Yeahright, just another example of his spooking
Yep, can't fathom the guy, why wouldn't you want a lap of honour where everyone can have their final chance to boo you lol
I think he's made a wise choice by not going
I actually don't think he'd get booed
But the one I really can't understand is not attending the Brownlow medal, no chance of a boo there and great chance for a tribute from his peers
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Protest i assume :clapping
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If I was there and he showed up I would boo
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But he has undone all the good with his refusal to attend this year Brownlow and the grand final week festivities including the farewell lap of honour. Agree with Yeahright, just another example of his spooking
Yep, can't fathom the guy, why wouldn't you want a lap of honour where everyone can have their final chance to boo you lol
I think he's made a wise choice by not going
I actually don't think he'd get booed
But the one I really can't understand is not attending the Brownlow medal, no chance of a boo there and great chance for a tribute from his peers
maybe his missus/(fella ?) doesnt stack up to all the other WAGS. after all, the night is all about them......
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nup, shes well fit
(http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/images/1/k/c/1/j/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.1kbz6.png/1316096577740.jpg)
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nup, shes well fit
(http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/images/1/k/c/1/j/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.1kbz6.png/1316096577740.jpg)
His mum. His missus is a stunner.
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Rang dang diggedy dang di-dang
Rang dang diggedy dang di-dang
Rang dang diggedy dang di-dang
Diggedy dang di-dang diggedy dang di-dang
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nup, shes well fit
(http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/images/1/k/c/1/j/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.1kbz6.png/1316096577740.jpg)
Shes an ugly bastard
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(http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/189715/)
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(http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/12181891_884667964951927_443635409_n_zpslyasoz6e.jpg)
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oh dwaino you uncouth working class heterosexual you....
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Appears the phantom snipper has struck yet again. Everything is getting a little too precious methinks. Repeal 18c.
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;D
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oh dwaino you uncouth working class heterosexual you....
Our German queen, misses gotha- saxa coburg
Her, Greek, better half would be proud
:bow
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jocular Duke of Edinburgh today surprised Aborigines when he asked: "Do you still throw spears at each other?" The 80-year-old Duke, on a visit to Australia with the Queen, was being introduced to Aboriginal cultural park owner William Brim when he made the trademark quip. "No we don't do that any more," replied Mr Brim, 42, whose Aboriginal name is Ngoo Nvi, meaning "platypus
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-102604/Prince-Philips-spear-gaffe.html
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Awkward....
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/afl-draft-sydney-swans-recruit-tyrone-leonardis-revealed-to-have-liked-anti-adam-goodes-facebook-pages/story-e6frf3e3-1227622090511
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Awkward....
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/afl-draft-sydney-swans-recruit-tyrone-leonardis-revealed-to-have-liked-anti-adam-goodes-facebook-pages/story-e6frf3e3-1227622090511
Nah kinda funny
Don't think the kid will be getting number 37 ;D
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Seriously cant believe that clubs would not be looking at potential draftees face book pages to get a gauge on them
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Can't believe anyone takes what people 'like' on facebook seriously
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Adam Goodes and his supporters take everything seriously.....
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Seriously cant believe that clubs would not be looking at potential draftees face book pages to get a gauge on them
on the other hand 'likes' on fb is not definitive proof of the kids true character
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not taken in isolation, but overall along with the general nature of posting can you give an insight into them
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The insight I get from it is the public thinks Adam Goodes is a wanker
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Corporations do it too.
Has happened with my health organisation, and I've seen Epworth do it with quite serious ramifications for their employees.
Truth is it only takes 5-10 minutes for a nobody to check over your FaceBook page. On one hand you could say 'who would bother?' or on the other hand you could say 'who wouldn't?' given how easy it is...
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and if you dont have fb, they refuse to employee u
weirdo category
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Sydney chairman has just said if you boo Goodes you're racist...
This is hilarious, the afl industry is digging itself into a bigger hole by the hour. There was a lot of discotent when Rendall was treated the way he was, people will not budge on this - I can see the afl resorting to making a new anti boo law lmao. Will sink the game quick smart
Funny old world
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uEOssW1rw0I
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clutching at straws imho. boooo
no doubt the english peeed on the people here before, yet im not quite sure of the maths to get to australian of the year
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uEOssW1rw0I
Wow, another self-aggrandising, holier-than-thou media tosspot jumping on the the 'topic of the nanosecond' to promote his/her/whatever self as affected, aggrieved, and just plain superior to the rest of us dumb-arse plebs that don't have the capacity to think or reason for ourselves. Thank f*%k we have intellectually superior beings like Stan Grant (who is in the public shame file for cheating on his wife) to point out that what we think and do is not what it seems to us lower types. Turns out all the while when I disliked Adam Goodes intensely and would have booed him long before it was fashionable to do so (while attending a game he played in) I was WRONG about my reasons. I'm a bloody racist and Goodes isn't the knob pillock I thought. Who'd a thunk it!! Go f%#k yourself you self-righteous c@#k, don't tell me what I think and how I feel, and don't drag up the sins of those from 200 years ago to blame those today who had nothing to do with it. Reckon the 2016 Japanese people are guilty of war-crimes against Australians circa 1944?
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Heh...Stan "Today Tonight"" Grant - famous for abandoning his wife & kids for Tracey Holmes (aka James Hird's Dorothy Dix) and being the inspiration for the Mike Moore character on Frontline....
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Shitman
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Lads, I'm not sure WTK his cheating has to do with anything.
The story was quite moving - it's his story and his lessons learnt.
The bow he was drawing on the Adam GOODES thing is longer than Essrndons odds at winning the flag.
He's just marginalising all the people who like to go to the football and boo the bozos who they don't like.
Adam GOODES ego was hurt more than his pride.
That's the real issue.
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Lads, I'm not sure WTK his cheating has to do with anything.
The story was quite moving - it's his story and his lessons learnt.
The bow he was drawing on the Adam GOODES thing is longer than Essrndons odds at winning the flag.
He's just marginalising all the people who like to go to the football and boo the bozos who they don't like.
Adam GOODES ego was hurt more than his pride.
That's the real issue.
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I guess people don't like taking ethical advice from a person who has been proven to break one of societies moral no - no ' s.
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Lads, I'm not sure WTK his cheating has to do with anything.
The story was quite moving - it's his story and his lessons learnt.
The bow he was drawing on the Adam GOODES thing is longer than Essrndons odds at winning the flag.
He's just marginalising all the people who like to go to the football and boo the bozos who they don't like.
Adam GOODES ego was hurt more than his pride.
That's the real issue.
Couldn't agree more on your first point, his private life is his own and there's no reason to be prejudicial.
Disagree with the second point, but certainly acknowledge it.
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I guess people don't like taking ethical advice from a person who has been proven to break one of societies moral no - no ' s.
We wouldn't be listening to many in public life then.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uEOssW1rw0I
'topic of the nanosecond'
The dispossession and total subjugation of an entire people has indeed, only been a topic in the limelight for a few months. Oh wait.... :whistle
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I guess people don't like taking ethical advice from a person who has been proven to break one of societies moral no - no ' s.
...and fronted a tabloid tv show which indulged in the lowest form of gutter journalism that frequently targeted & exploited the working class....a group some would argue have been just as "disenfranchised" as his people over the years.....
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uEOssW1rw0I
Wow, another self-aggrandising, holier-than-thou media tosspot jumping on the the 'topic of the nanosecond' to promote his/her/whatever self as affected, aggrieved, and just plain superior to the rest of us dumb-arse plebs that don't have the capacity to think or reason for ourselves. Thank f*%k we have intellectually superior beings like Stan Grant (who is in the public shame file for cheating on his wife) to point out that what we think and do is not what it seems to us lower types. Turns out all the while when I disliked Adam Goodes intensely and would have booed him long before it was fashionable to do so (while attending a game he played in) I was WRONG about my reasons. I'm a bloody racist and Goodes isn't the knob pillock I thought. Who'd a thunk it!! Go f%#k yourself you self-righteous c@#k, don't tell me what I think and how I feel, and don't drag up the sins of those from 200 years ago to blame those today who had nothing to do with it. Reckon the 2016 Japanese people are guilty of war-crimes against Australians circa 1944?
Interesting words.
Of course the japs are guilty of the war crimes...
Ask te Chinese women of Nanking what they reckon
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Lads, I'm not sure WTK his cheating has to do with anything.
The story was quite moving - it's his story and his lessons learnt.
The bow he was drawing on the Adam GOODES thing is longer than Essrndons odds at winning the flag.
He's just marginalising all the people who like to go to the football and boo the bozos who they don't like.
Adam GOODES ego was hurt more than his pride.
That's the real issue.
Indeed - the colonisation of the land... To the booing of AOTY is a rather long bow
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I guess people don't like taking ethical advice from a person who has been proven to break one of societies moral no - no ' s.
We wouldn't be listening to many in public life then.
Sounds like the first step to improving this world.
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Lads, I'm not sure WTK his cheating has to do with anything.
The story was quite moving - it's his story and his lessons learnt.
The bow he was drawing on the Adam GOODES thing is longer than Essrndons odds at winning the flag.
He's just marginalising all the people who like to go to the football and boo the bozos who they don't like.
Adam GOODES ego was hurt more than his pride.
That's the real issue.
Couldn't agree more on your first point, his private life is his own and there's no reason to be prejudicial.
Disagree with the second point, but certainly acknowledge it.
If his private life is his own then why doesn't he keep it private ?
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uEOssW1rw0I
Wow, another self-aggrandising, holier-than-thou media tosspot jumping on the the 'topic of the nanosecond' to promote his/her/whatever self as affected, aggrieved, and just plain superior to the rest of us dumb-arse plebs that don't have the capacity to think or reason for ourselves. Thank f*%k we have intellectually superior beings like Stan Grant (who is in the public shame file for cheating on his wife) to point out that what we think and do is not what it seems to us lower types. Turns out all the while when I disliked Adam Goodes intensely and would have booed him long before it was fashionable to do so (while attending a game he played in) I was WRONG about my reasons. I'm a bloody racist and Goodes isn't the knob pillock I thought. Who'd a thunk it!! Go f%#k yourself you self-righteous c@#k, don't tell me what I think and how I feel, and don't drag up the sins of those from 200 years ago to blame those today who had nothing to do with it. Reckon the 2016 Japanese people are guilty of war-crimes against Australians circa 1944?
Interesting words.
Of course the japs are guilty of the war crimes...
Ask te Chinese women of Nanking what they reckon
Read the post again Bents.
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I guess people don't like taking ethical advice from a person who has been proven to break one of societies moral no - no ' s.
We wouldn't be listening to many in public life then.
Sounds like the first step to improving this world.
Don't disagree at all Dooks but that oxymoron is almost as long a bow to draw than stan grants...
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I thought this idiot was finished? I was hoping this idiot was finished, but I knew it was part of his agenda.. stuff I hate Goodes ...go away
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I thought this idiot was finished? I was hoping this idiot was finished, but I knew it was part of his agenda.. stuff I hate Goodes ...go away
Spoken like a true Adam Goodes booer...
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booo
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uEOssW1rw0I
Wow, another self-aggrandising, holier-than-thou media tosspot jumping on the the 'topic of the nanosecond' to promote his/her/whatever self as affected, aggrieved, and just plain superior to the rest of us dumb-arse plebs that don't have the capacity to think or reason for ourselves. Thank f*%k we have intellectually superior beings like Stan Grant (who is in the public shame file for cheating on his wife) to point out that what we think and do is not what it seems to us lower types. Turns out all the while when I disliked Adam Goodes intensely and would have booed him long before it was fashionable to do so (while attending a game he played in) I was WRONG about my reasons. I'm a bloody racist and Goodes isn't the knob pillock I thought. Who'd a thunk it!! Go f%#k yourself you self-righteous c@#k, don't tell me what I think and how I feel, and don't drag up the sins of those from 200 years ago to blame those today who had nothing to do with it. Reckon the 2016 Japanese people are guilty of war-crimes against Australians circa 1944?
Interesting words.
Of course the japs are guilty of the war crimes...
Ask te Chinese women of Nanking what they reckon
Read the post again Bents.
Are the japs sorry? No. Should they be? One would think yes . Surely we can aim higher than Japanese war crimes as our moral benchmark .
Reading it for a 5th time, due to your dislike paragraph I noticed you used the world guilty. If you look at it the other way; were the current Jews victims of the nazis? No. Do they get greater Palestine anyway? Yes
Should the Turks have to own up to the Armenian Genocide?
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Tis an interesting conversation; at what point should the perpetrators move on. 10 years? 50? 200?
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Tis an interesting conversation; at what point should the perpetrators move on. 10 years? 50? 200?
Not until its properly acknowledged as far as I'm concerned. Could be 1000, could be more.
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While I am not a fan of far right wing groups
Why is it alright to flog the aboriginal stuff all the time, but anti mosque groups can't have a say too?
The game is a political vehicle, only when the politics at hand suit a few
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I don't recall this much of an outcry when Serbian fans unfurled banners supporting General Mladić - a bloke who actually destroyed mosques and killed thosands of Musilms - against the Soceroos a few years ago.... :shh
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I don't recall this much of an outcry when Serbian fans unfurled banners supporting General Mladić - a bloke who actually destroyed mosques and killed thosands of Musilms - against the Soceroos a few years ago.... :shh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springvale_White_Eagles_FC
:bow
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i wonder how my 'NO Synagogue's in Aust.' banner will go down
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Joe Gutnick would probably sue....
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Joe Gutnick would probably sue....
Round 5 Sunday, April 24
MELB v RICH
Melbourne
Richmond MCG 7:10pm
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If only it was a Saturday, they might've got away with it....
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Port fan fined 500, banned 6 months
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For throwing banana at Eddie ...
Lol
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stuff goodes.
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Eddie betts, what a gun!
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Have to laugh at the flogs comparing the AFL's quick reaction to the Betts incident to it's supposed inaction regarding the Goodes affair.....what were the AFL supposed to do ...try and enforce a booing ban on entire football crowds? Eject && ban thousands of people at once on the assumption that the most common & generic noise that crowds throughout history and all over the world over make was "racist"?
Somewhat harder than sanctioning one individual chucking a piece of fruit....
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Have to laugh at the flogs comparing the AFL's quick reaction to the Betts incident to it's supposed inaction regarding the Goodes affair.....what were the AFL supposed to do ...try and enforce a booing ban on entire football crowds? Eject && ban thousands of people at once on the assumption that the most common & generic noise that crowds throughout history and all over the world over make was "racist"?
Somewhat harder than sanctioning one individual chucking a piece of fruit....
Think you hit the nail on the head. Its easy to single out one individual and ban them - hard to hold the masses to account.
Confused with your use of parenthesis?
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Why? Because I didn't use one?
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Why did the baby cry in Africa?
Mid life crisis.
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Why? Because I didn't use one?
:lol :lol :lol
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Have to laugh at the flogs comparing the AFL's quick reaction to the Betts incident to it's supposed inaction regarding the Goodes affair.....what were the AFL supposed to do ...try and enforce a booing ban on entire football crowds? Eject && ban thousands of people at once on the assumption that the most common & generic noise that crowds throughout history and all over the world over make was "racist"?
Somewhat harder than sanctioning one individual chucking a piece of fruit....
They did attempt it, did they not the fascist dogs?
I thought we are not allowed boo aboriginal / black players now?
Might have to look into Yugoslavia banter too
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An article by Caro
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/adam-goodes-controversy-a-sorry-affair-for-football-20180420-p4zapq.html
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Was Max Gawn abused because he is a bogan?
Is this any better than booing for racist reasons?
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-04-30/no-action-on-remorseful-bombers-supporter-
AN ESSENDON member - who caused a social media storm after abusing Max Gawn from over the fence - has issued a formal apology.
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Well stuff me sideways, now some stuffing idiot is telling me that what I seen with my own eyes didn't happen
https://10daily.com.au/views/a190712jsbuv/three-pieces-of-fake-news-the-adam-goodes-booers-believed-20190717
Heres a stat to put that into perspective. In 2015 when the booing peaked, Goodes finished equal 195th among all AFL players on the list of free kicks earned.
Over the course of the season, he earned just 14 free kicks. The leaders were awarded 64.
So if he was staging for free kicks, then it was the first thing in his glittering, dual Brownlow Medal, dual Premiership-winning career that Adam Goodes did really badly!
And at least 194 other players should have been booed much more than him.
My take on it is yes that he was that bad on it, he dramatically over emphasised the staging so it was obvious to everyone watching the games.
Maybe we could just give Adam a Planetary Person of the Century award and be done with it.
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Just watched TFQ, very sad after it all.
I remember when it started and I remember thinking and feeling it was justified and only because he was a jerk.
After years of reflection, some perspective/maturation personally, and watching a doco like that I really can't pretend it was anything but racist. At the end of the day Waleed summed it up well, which is that we are only tolerant of minorities when they stay in their box, and we boo our disapproval when people like Adam speak up against the racism and vilification that most of us like to think we are not party to.
At the end of the day, white settlers did monstrously inhumane things to indigenous Australians and we have a long way to go to close the gap...
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Haven't and will not watch, pretty obvious it's going to be skewed to trigger sympathy and make whites feel bad.
By the way history is history how long do you pee and moan and hold a grudge, what happened 200 years ago is absolutly nothing to do with me, hows it my job to make up for what white pricks did 200 years ago (Because they are white) what a load of poo.
There is a hell of a lot more white black pink red arseholes on this planet now, is it up to all people of the corrosponding colour to wear what horrible people do in this world FMD :banghead
When do you stop peeing and moaning and get on with the one life you have, It's tough for us all move on and stop using whatever means to try and garner sympathy.
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Just watched TFQ, very sad after it all.
I remember when it started and I remember thinking and feeling it was justified and only because he was a jerk.
After years of reflection, some perspective/maturation personally, and watching a doco like that I really can't pretend it was anything but racist. At the end of the day Waleed summed it up well, which is that we are only tolerant of minorities when they stay in their box, and we boo our disapproval when people like Adam speak up against the racism and vilification that most of us like to think we are not party to.
At the end of the day, white settlers did monstrously inhumane things to indigenous Australians and we have a long way to go to close the gap...
Reflection, perspective and maturity is just spot on. I remember around the time the the booing started to ramp up my grandson was in his first year at school and one day he came home telling his mother one of the other kids in his class has told him that if he got any darker, the other kid wouldn't be able to play with him anymore. Absolutely heart-wrenching stuff :'( :'( :'(
Hopefully this doco will help many people to recognise the on-going casual racism that does exist in Australia and more importantly the impact it can have on the lives of everyone involved.
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At the end of the day I don't like being called a chink because I'm half Chinese. Doesn't matter if it's an adult or a kid doing it, I would call it out.
My fiance's two brothers got her son to call me a chink once, all in the guise of a joke, but it still hurt and this tolerance of such behaviour needs to be stamped out.
A 13 year old girl calling Goodes an ape is just as bad. Nothing wrong with calling it out.
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Haven't and will not watch, pretty obvious it's going to be skewed to trigger sympathy and make whites feel bad.
By the way history is history how long do you pee and moan and hold a grudge, what happened 200 years ago is absolutly nothing to do with me, hows it my job to make up for what white pricks did 200 years ago (Because they are white) what a load of poo.
There is a hell of a lot more white black pink red arseholes on this planet now, is it up to all people of the corrosponding colour to wear what horrible people do in this world FMD :banghead
When do you stop peeing and moaning and get on with the one life you have, It's tough for us all move on and stop using whatever means to try and garner sympathy.
100%. I actually had sympathy toward him at the time but now I don't. I had 2 mates who were in that group booing him along with many other players who are anything but racist. Small sample but the majority would be the same
Wouldn't waste my time watching that.
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Didnt he call out that young collingwood supporter from moe or something who was like 12 years old or something... and called her the face of racism. That for me was the end of any respect I had for him. People are trying to rewrite history to make him look good.
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The dude grew up with white friends in Horsham
He had zero experience of what traditional indigenous people have put up with
Yet he becomes the face for their struggles , please , leave me alone
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The whiter they are the more militant they get, it's known as "The Michael Mansell Effect." :shh
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LMAO at people who refuse to watch the documentary.
Keep sticking your fingers in your ears and don't let facts get in the way of your pre existing bias.
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I haven't watched it because I rarely watch TV and I'm not wasting 30-90 minutes (however long it is) of my life to watch a bunch of virtue signaling wankers tell me what struggle is.
I have no doubt that plenty of people who booed Adam Goodes are racists, plenty of 'em. And a lot of them aren't. So basically, some are racist and some are not. There were several reasons for the stuff coming his way. Unfortunate situation but such is life. Should have never came to what it has but it's worked out oh so beautifully for Adam.
Bury the issue already.
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I don't get a lot of time watching the screen but if I did and it was a choice between the Goodes doco and Pootang I know which would win out
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LMAO at people who refuse to watch the documentary.
Keep sticking your fingers in your ears and don't let facts get in the way of your pre existing bias.
Exactly.
I wanted to make an informed decision, and felt motivated to watch it largely out of respect for our indigenous population moreso than for Goodes himself. Glad I watched it.
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I don't get a lot of time watching the screen but if I did and it was a choice between the Goodes doco and Pootang I know which would win out
Remember when we watched Family Ties every week before bed. I haven't watched TV regularly since those glory days
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:shh
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I don't get a lot of time watching the screen but if I did and it was a choice between the Goodes doco and Pootang I know which would win out
Remember when we watched Family Ties every week before bed. I haven't watched TV regularly since those glory days
I bet we've been together for a million years... :shh
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An Eddy Betts doco would be FAR more interesting
Hes put up with racial slurs and handled it like a legend .. dare I say, as a hero
Australia has gone stupidly soft, almost as soft as Bellis running with the flight of the ball
If I said I was going to boycott the footy until the next Anglo Saxon Male Round, I would never go again
Its a great time to be a woman or part of a minority group in Australia
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I watched it.
It was ruined by ads every 5 mins, broke the continuity and at times the message. Found it disappointing with some of what was clearly selective editing around certain comments made by certain people.
Yes in places it was confronting. It was also sad.
However, was super impressed with Stan Grant, who made total sense with his comments
For anyone who may be interested, there is a 2nd doco that Good as actually contributes to. Think that will be very interestingperhaps even mpre interesting that this 1st one
An Eddy Betts doco would be FAR more interesting
Yep would be a ripper
Its a great time to be a woman ......in Australia
I know I'm going to cop it for asking but how so exactly?
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I watched it.
It was ruined by ads every 5 mins, broke the continuity and at times the message. Found it disappointing with some of what was clearly selective editing around certain comments made by certain people.
Yes in places it was confronting. It was also sad.
However, was super impressed with Stan Grant, who made total sense with his comments
For anyone who may be interested, there is a 2nd doco that Good as actually contributes to. Think that will be very interestingperhaps even mpre interesting that this 1st one
I will still opt for the pootang thanks
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Didn't know Lynch was indigenous but he must be as he is being booed
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2020-tom-lynch-booed-by-gold-coast-crowd-vs-west-coast/news-story/13e5b5f1ecff6c783ddbdecf6ab47373
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:shh
I watched it.
It was ruined by ads every 5 mins, broke the continuity and at times the message. Found it disappointing with some of what was clearly selective editing around certain comments made by certain people.
Yes in places it was confronting. It was also sad.
However, was super impressed with Stan Grant, who made total sense with his comments
For anyone who may be interested, there is a 2nd doco that Good as actually contributes to. Think that will be very interestingperhaps even mpre interesting that this 1st one
Stan Grant....lmao.....there's a reason Rob Sitch's character in Frontline was partially based on him... :shh