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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 23, 2015, 02:13:27 PM
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A good time to review individual Tigers. First up is Floss.
Floss in his 3rd year of AFL played every game of the season for the first time in his career. His best returns were 21 possies against Carlton (R1) and Gold Coast (R21), and 20 disposals versus North (R6) and Sydney (R13).
Career stats:
Games Kicks Hballs Disp. Marks Tackles G.B Clear. In50 Re50 CP UP 1%ers
2013 18 8.7 7.6 16.3 4.8 3.1 9.3
2014 20 8.4 6.8 15.2 4.1 3.1 4.3 1.0 2.2 1.8 4.9 9.8 1.8
2015 23 8.3 7.0 15.3 4.4 2.7 1.0 0.3 0.8 2.0 5.3 9.8 2.6
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=2363
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_profile?pid=2013114
How did we all rate Vlastuin's year?
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:shh
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Very solid.
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Love him to bits..My only criticism of him is that i think he was too conservative in how he played his football this year,Would love to see him take the game on more......because he can better than most
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agree G. Push "see ball get ball" into the midfield and he will lift again. Becoming stale playing centre half back at his height.
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stale?
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I thought he was outstanding all season but unfortunately like many of his team mates saved his worst game for the final.
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By stale i think he means ,he would like to do more but the position he plays is restrictive,after all the defensive side of his game needs to be at the for.
By his nature i thing floss is an aggressive beast
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I thought he was outstanding all season but unfortunately like many of his team mates saved his worst game for the final.
Agree with this
But overall think he took a huge step forward after last year's "2nd year" blues
Natural leader.
But agree with others think he could be more damaging by taking the game on some more. Would love to see him the middle as time goes on
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Very good year. Could see in his first 2 years he was obviously hard but showed real class and composure this year.
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In a word stagnated since his first season.
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In a word stagnated since his first season.
Absolute crap. You obviously never go and watch us play. Rubbish.
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lmao
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In a word stagnated since his first season.
Just looking at the stats Claw? Don't forget he went from playing all over the field to playing permanently back this year. Think people overrate him a bit because he is tough as nails but he was solid and is definitely a lot better defensively this year than previous years
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Agree with comments that he had a good year. Agree with comment that it was a shame his worst game of the year was the elimination final. He shows immense courage.
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I sort of understand what claw is saying re Floss....After the first season i was almost euphoric about this kid and thought superstar status was invetable..Since then his progress has been steady but not to that intial level...
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In a word stagnated since his first season.
Absolute crap. You obviously never go and watch us play. Rubbish.
It is not my problem if you have blinkers on. You obviously go to games but never watch.
It is my opinion that his first yr was as good as his third year. If anything the stats back that up.
His first yr was very good, especially for a first yr player. His second year he went backwards just a little. This year picked back up a bit but it was no better than his first year IMO. Stagnated is a very apt word to describe Vlastuin, again imo. Am i calling him a dud, of course not he has been very solid for a young player.
Just for the record i have watched every game this yr some of them twice. Unfortunately i have only seen three games live this yr. Imo Vlastuin was pretty average in at least 6 games this yr and im cutting him some slack on a couple of others.
Saying that i still gave him a 6 for his season which is what about a third of the posters have given him in the poll so far.
Why do posters like you get so defensive when people have a differing take on things???.
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good strong year from Nick I feel with Yarran coming in it will release Nick up the ground and he will be even better for it putting him on the wing add some pace and toughness he has been playing tall all his career and doing a good job, his going to turn out just nicely
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Thought he was one f the few that could hold up his head
After the Norf effort
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In a word stagnated since his first season.
Absolute crap. You obviously never go and watch us play. Rubbish.
It is not my problem if you have blinkers on. You obviously go to games but never watch.
It is my opinion that his first yr was as good as his third year. If anything the stats back that up.
His first yr was very good, especially for a first yr player. His second year he went backwards just a little. This year picked back up a bit but it was no better than his first year IMO. Stagnated is a very apt word to describe Vlastuin, again imo. Am i calling him a dud, of course not he has been very solid for a young player.
Just for the record i have watched every game this yr some of them twice. Unfortunately i have only seen three games live this yr. Imo Vlastuin was pretty average in at least 6 games this yr and im cutting him some slack on a couple of others.
Saying that i still gave him a 6 for his season which is what about a third of the posters have given him in the poll so far.
Why do posters like you get so defensive when people have a differing take on things???.
I've seen every home game live and a few away games that were in Melbourne. Floss is second now only to Rance in our back half. He has sure hands and a long kick and makes good decisions with the ball in hand. He has taken mamy intercept marks and is as brave as anyone in the AFL. His worst game unfortunately was his last. He is not running forward as much because his role has changed in the team. He is still junior too. He has had a much better year than last year. I cannot see how you can call that stagnation. He carries out his role perfectly. He is doing what is asked of him. Maybe if he has more time in the midfield he can add more strings to his bow but that is a coaching decision and isn't a reflection of him.
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In a word stagnated since his first season.
Actually I think you are correct ....In 2013 he was a good young player who played with maturity beyond his years .
Then he had a mild case of second year blues
This year he was back to being a good young player who plays with maturity beyond his years.
Good call Claw.
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In a word stagnated since his first season.
Actually I think you are correct ....In 2013 he was a good young player who played with maturity beyond his years .
Then he had a mild case of second year blues
This year he was back to being a good young player who plays with maturity beyond his years.
Good call Claw.
If you can't see an improvement in Flossy from his first year I'm flabbergasted. The opposition now have plans to nulify his effect on the game, especially his intercept marking. Despite this he is still playing well. Yes he is STILL a good young player but one with more maturity and composure. He has improved and not stagnated. Just because the trajectory of the improvement is not acute doesn't mean it's not there.
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I think his decision making improved a lot this year. While the stats dont say increased possesion I think he had increased influence on games than either of hus previous years. If they keep him down back he could become all Australian in a couple more years.
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Very often wins a 50/50 ball
Very often puts him self between the ball an the goals (goal side)
A good kid indeed
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In a word stagnated since his first season.
Actually I think you are correct ....In 2013 he was a good young player who played with maturity beyond his years .
Then he had a mild case of second year blues
This year he was back to being a good young player who plays with maturity beyond his years.
Good call Claw.
If you can't see an improvement in Flossy from his first year I'm flabbergasted. The opposition now have plans to nulify his effect on the game, especially his intercept marking. Despite this he is still playing well. Yes he is STILL a good young player but one with more maturity and composure. He has improved and not stagnated. Just because the trajectory of the improvement is not acute doesn't mean it's not there.
Good call YellowandBlack. If you cant see it your not watching the same games, or you are watching but not really seeing.
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In a word stagnated since his first season.
Actually I think you are correct ....In 2013 he was a good young player who played with maturity beyond his years .
Then he had a mild case of second year blues
This year he was back to being a good young player who plays with maturity beyond his years.
Good call Claw.
If you can't see an improvement in Flossy from his first year I'm flabbergasted. The opposition now have plans to nulify his effect on the game, especially his intercept marking. Despite this he is still playing well. Yes he is STILL a good young player but one with more maturity and composure. He has improved and not stagnated. Just because the trajectory of the improvement is not acute doesn't mean it's not there.
Good call YellowandBlack. If you cant see it your not watching the same games, or you are watching but not really seeing.
Another option may well be people can't see past their noses when it comes to our players. In many ways i think i would take Vlastuins first year to this one.
Im one who should be talking this bloke up big time. I really wanted us to take him in his draft year and talked him up ad nauseum. Come draft time i opted for Grundy as i thought he would go top 5 and the need for a quality young ruckman was greater. If given the choice again i would take Grundy again.
People get their backs up because of home truths. Imo he has stagnated from his first yr. . Im not calling him a dud or no good in fact im happy with where he is at Being happy with what hes done thus far does not alter the fact that i think he has hardly progressed on his first year. I think his first year was marginally better than this last one. We all know he had a slight dip in his second year, even that yr was not as bad as most made it out to be.
I'm not talking about how good he is, or how good he will become. I am talking about his three yrs to date, i dont think he has greatly improved. iT IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.
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I'm not sure how you are judging his performances claw. Sure, his stats are similar but they don't tell you if he has performed the roles the coaching staff have given him. He has played his role in the team perfectly this year. Much better than his first year. That's how I judge him and why I think he has improved.
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This last season he was easily our second best backman, two years before he wasn't. I don't think that is really very disputable but go ahead and give us your option.
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I somewhat agree with Claw but I see this year as maybe just a little better than his first. He's been solid as a loose backman but he has lost a bit of his attacking flair.
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He's still one of our toughest. It's unfortunate that some of our so called leaders releasing those oestrogen pheromones may be stifling this young mans career, let's hope it doesn't rub off on him too much so he can improve into a toughened finals machine.
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I'm not sure how you are judging his performances claw. Sure, his stats are similar but they don't tell you if he has performed the roles the coaching staff have given him. He has played his role in the team perfectly this year. Much better than his first year. That's how I judge him and why I think he has improved.
Well we disagree. As stated i am not putting him down just stating my opinion on how he has tracked over the three years. His roles as a backman are not that hard to define. He performed them just as well in his first year as his last imo. You obviously think his last year is significantly better than his first that fine thats your opinion.
This last season he was easily our second best backman, two years before he wasn't. I don't think that is really very disputable but go ahead and give us your option.
And what exactly has that to do with his three years to date. Maybe it says more about how poor some of our defenders have been at times.
I somewhat agree with Claw but I see this year as maybe just a little better than his first. He's been solid as a loose backman but he has lost a bit of his attacking flair.
Why thank you sir, it is good to see some others dont let their emotions get the better of their judgement. I could imagine what the reaction would be like if he copped some actual criticism.
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He's still one of our toughest. It's unfortunate that some of our so called leaders releasing those oestrogen pheromones may be stifling this young mans career, let's hope it doesn't rub off on him too much so he can improve into a toughened finals machine.
lol, you reckon they have synchronised cycles?
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:snidegrin
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He's still one of our toughest. It's unfortunate that some of our so called leaders releasing those oestrogen pheromones may be stifling this young mans career, let's hope it doesn't rub off on him too much so he can improve into a toughened finals machine.
lol, you reckon they have synchronised cycles?
Must be.....all their perfomances reeked.
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I'm not sure how you are judging his performances claw. Sure, his stats are similar but they don't tell you if he has performed the roles the coaching staff have given him. He has played his role in the team perfectly this year. Much better than his first year. That's how I judge him and why I think he has improved.
Well we disagree. As stated i am not putting him down just stating my opinion on how he has tracked over the three years. His roles as a backman are not that hard to define. He performed them just as well in his first year as his last imo. You obviously think his last year is significantly better than his first that fine thats your opinion.
This last season he was easily our second best backman, two years before he wasn't. I don't think that is really very disputable but go ahead and give us your option.
And what exactly has that to do with his three years to date. Maybe it says more about how poor some of our defenders have been at times.
I somewhat agree with Claw but I see this year as maybe just a little better than his first. He's been solid as a loose backman but he has lost a bit of his attacking flair.
Why thank you sir, it is good to see some others dont let their emotions get the better of their judgement. I could imagine what the reaction would be like if he copped some actual criticism.
What Claw, because some here (including me) think he has improved since his first season we are letting our emotions get the better of our Judgement? What Claw, our opion is not as valid as yours?
If you were refering to me (above) then I take great execption to that as I have prided myself in being a bit of anaylist re football. I dont take team or personal preferances about players or teams when it comes to tipping, stats based games or in general. There are many Tigers both past and present that I have been critcial when I felt needed.
If you were not refering to me who were you refering to? If you still cant nominate who then I can only assume that you think in general the people here are like that. If you really think that then wtf are you doing here. (Dont bother answering it was a retorical question).
I will also add that I dont post in Trade threads as I simply dont know whats going on behind the scenes, I dont comment of draft threads as I really dont know the proposed draftess. I will comment and defend my opion on players players becasue it is what I have observed and formed a rational (not emotinal) opinion
As was said on another thread, great to have you back to remind us how stupid we all are.
BTW if you read the last quote you replied to you he basically said , yes Vlas has improved (even just a bit) which is the against you origal premise that he had stagnated.
One other thing, you mentioned how bad our defence has been at times this year. Yes I know you have a cop out by using the "at times" in the wording but really Claw? Our defence has been the 3rd most stingy this year. Only just 20 points behind Hawthorn and 4 behind Frematle. I would say in general our defence as been great this year but there it is in a nutshell, you see the negatives, I see the positives.
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I'm not sure why it matters so much the numbers of points conceded - over the home an away season I would say the wce defence was superior to richmond , even if coping four more points
An yet the fact the defence was yet again nae good enough to make top four or win a final,
The elephant in te rooms is Chaplins a gimp
It's not that you focus on the positive, but rather are ignorant to the big picture in front of your nose
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Wow you couldnt just say well i disagree. No i dont think your stupid but in this instance i do think your wrong.
No the post wasn't aimed at you in particular but it seems the shoe fits in this instance.Talk about getting emotional over nothing. Toughen up son chill out and dont take things so personal.
Hmm stagnation in this case would be little or no improvment over the said period.
Look if it makes you feel better he improved, but you and i both know i don't mean that. Can't we just disagree without all the histrionics sheesh.
I tell you what come up with just one piece of evidence outside of your rose coloured eyes, that actually says he dramatically improved on his first yr and i will kiss your arse!!!!!!!! figurtively of course :snidegrin.
Im not trying to wind you up mate your opinion is just as important as mine or anyone else's here.I would defend your right to have that opinion vigorously. If i come across as antagonistic and too opinionated i apologise i dont mean to.
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Champ you couldn't see rance was improving till his first aa
Ad still claimed he was a flanker
Floss is class
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Champ you couldn't see rance was improving till his first aa
Ad still claimed he was a flanker
Floss is class
I was about the only one who said ,Key areas of Rances first 5 or 6 yrs were horrid.I stand by that. What parts didn,t you see. The constant getting caught out of position. the constant 1v1 losses the constant falling over. Yet not once did i call for us to delist him.Mate i stand by every single criticism of him.
Has he become a better player than i ever thought he would well yeah. If that makes me wrong well im wrong.
At no point have i made a detrimental criticism of Vlastuin.I havent even made a critique of his game unlike i did with Rance. In fact i have been mostly positive.
The only thing i have said is his first yr was just as good as his last. Both of which for a junior have been pretty decent, As such theres been little to no improvement and he has stagnated. Im not sure how hard that is to fathom but i think most could grasp it pretty easily without getting all emotional about supposed slurs on our players.
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Rated this lad 8 as l thought he was very solid in defence. A very smart fella. This lad will be one who's efforts will win you a flag.
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BTW if you read the last quote you replied to you he basically said , yes Vlas has improved (even just a bit) which is the against you origal premise that he had stagnated.
Yep in a nutshell I believe he improved minimally. But what is funny is the fact that since he agrees with me this time it means I don't let emotions get the better of me and have good judgement when on the other hand when he has disagreed with me he continually tells me I have rose coloured glasses :lol
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A solid 6 - thought he took some important steps this season, stood up like a real leader on numerous occasions throughout the season and seems to be on the way to becoming a general down back.