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Re: Rate a Tiger's year - Nick Vlastuin?
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2015, 10:53:25 AM »
I'm not sure how you are judging his performances claw. Sure, his stats are similar but they don't tell you if he has performed the roles the coaching staff have given him. He has played his role in the team perfectly this year.  Much better than his first year. That's how I judge him and why I think he has improved.
Well we disagree. As stated i am not putting him down just stating my opinion on how he has tracked over the three years. His roles as a backman are not that hard to define. He performed them just as well in his first year as his last imo. You obviously think his last year is significantly better than his first that fine thats your opinion.

This last season he was easily our second best  backman,  two years before he wasn't. I don't think that is really very disputable but go ahead and give us your option.

And what  exactly has  that to do with his three years to date. Maybe it says more about how poor some of our defenders have been at times.


I somewhat agree with Claw but I see this year as maybe just a little better than his first. He's been solid as a loose backman but he has lost a bit of his attacking flair.

Why thank you sir,   it is good to see some others dont let their emotions get the better of their judgement. I could imagine what  the reaction would be like if he copped some actual criticism.
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Re: Rate a Tiger's year - Nick Vlastuin?
« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2015, 11:56:30 AM »
He's still one of our toughest. It's unfortunate that some of our so called leaders releasing those oestrogen pheromones may be stifling this young mans career, let's hope it doesn't rub off on him too much so he can improve into a toughened finals machine.

lol, you reckon they have synchronised cycles?
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Re: Rate a Tiger's year - Nick Vlastuin?
« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2015, 12:08:50 PM »
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Re: Rate a Tiger's year - Nick Vlastuin?
« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2015, 07:45:30 PM »
He's still one of our toughest. It's unfortunate that some of our so called leaders releasing those oestrogen pheromones may be stifling this young mans career, let's hope it doesn't rub off on him too much so he can improve into a toughened finals machine.

lol, you reckon they have synchronised cycles?
Must be.....all their perfomances reeked.
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Re: Rate a Tiger's year - Nick Vlastuin?
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2015, 09:00:18 PM »
I'm not sure how you are judging his performances claw. Sure, his stats are similar but they don't tell you if he has performed the roles the coaching staff have given him. He has played his role in the team perfectly this year.  Much better than his first year. That's how I judge him and why I think he has improved.
Well we disagree. As stated i am not putting him down just stating my opinion on how he has tracked over the three years. His roles as a backman are not that hard to define. He performed them just as well in his first year as his last imo. You obviously think his last year is significantly better than his first that fine thats your opinion.

This last season he was easily our second best  backman,  two years before he wasn't. I don't think that is really very disputable but go ahead and give us your option.

And what  exactly has  that to do with his three years to date. Maybe it says more about how poor some of our defenders have been at times.


I somewhat agree with Claw but I see this year as maybe just a little better than his first. He's been solid as a loose backman but he has lost a bit of his attacking flair.

Why thank you sir,   it is good to see some others dont let their emotions get the better of their judgement. I could imagine what  the reaction would be like if he copped some actual criticism.

What Claw, because some here (including me) think he has improved since his first season we are letting our emotions get the better of our Judgement? What Claw, our opion is not as valid as yours?

If you were refering to me (above) then I take great execption to that as I have prided myself in being a bit of anaylist re football. I dont take team or personal preferances about players or teams when it comes to tipping, stats based games or in general. There are many Tigers both past and present that I have been critcial when I felt needed.

If you were not refering to me who were you refering to? If you still cant nominate who then I can only assume that you think in general the people here are like that.  If you really think that then wtf are you doing here. (Dont bother answering it was a retorical question).

I will also add that I dont post in Trade threads as I simply dont know whats going on behind the scenes, I dont comment of draft threads as I really dont know the proposed draftess. I will comment and defend my opion on players players becasue it is what I have observed and formed a rational (not emotinal) opinion

As was said on another thread, great to have you back to remind us how stupid we all are.

BTW if you read the last quote you replied to you he basically said , yes Vlas has improved (even just a bit) which is the against you origal premise that he had stagnated. 

One other thing, you mentioned how bad our defence has been at times this year. Yes I know you have a cop out by using the "at times" in the wording but really Claw?  Our defence has been the 3rd most stingy this year. Only just 20 points behind Hawthorn and 4 behind Frematle. I would say in general our defence as been great this year  but there it is in a nutshell, you see the negatives, I see the positives.
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Re: Rate a Tiger's year - Nick Vlastuin?
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2015, 09:25:58 PM »
I'm not sure why it matters so much the numbers of points conceded  - over the home an away season I would say the wce defence was superior to richmond , even if coping four more points

An yet the fact the defence was yet again nae good enough to make top four or win a final,

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It's not that you focus on the positive, but rather are ignorant to the big picture in front of your nose
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Re: Rate a Tiger's year - Nick Vlastuin?
« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2015, 09:40:18 PM »
Wow  you couldnt just say well i disagree. No i dont think your stupid but in this instance i do think your wrong.
No the post wasn't aimed at you in particular but it seems the shoe fits in this instance.Talk about getting emotional over nothing. Toughen up son chill out and dont take things so personal.

Hmm stagnation in this case would be little or no improvment over the said period.
Look if it makes you feel better he improved, but you and i both know i don't mean that. Can't we just disagree without all the histrionics sheesh.
I tell you what come up with just one piece of evidence outside of your rose coloured eyes,  that actually  says he dramatically improved on his first yr and i will kiss your arse!!!!!!!!  figurtively of course :snidegrin.

Im not trying to wind you up mate your opinion is just as important as mine or anyone else's  here.I would defend your right to have that opinion vigorously. If i come across as antagonistic and too opinionated i apologise i dont mean to.


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Re: Rate a Tiger's year - Nick Vlastuin?
« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2015, 09:42:22 PM »
Champ you couldn't see rance was improving till his first aa

Ad still claimed he was a flanker

Floss is class
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Re: Rate a Tiger's year - Nick Vlastuin?
« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2015, 10:07:59 PM »
Champ you couldn't see rance was improving till his first aa

Ad still claimed he was a flanker

Floss is class
I was about the only one who said ,Key areas of  Rances  first 5 or 6  yrs were horrid.I stand by that.  What parts didn,t you see. The constant getting caught out of position. the constant 1v1 losses the constant falling over. Yet not once did i call for us to delist him.Mate i stand by every single criticism of him.
Has he become a better player than i ever thought he would well yeah. If that makes me wrong well im wrong.

At no point have i made a detrimental criticism of Vlastuin.I havent even made a critique of his game unlike i did with Rance. In fact i have been mostly positive.
The only thing i have said is his first yr was just as good as his last. Both of which for a junior have been pretty decent,  As such theres been little to no improvement and  he has stagnated. Im not sure how hard that is to fathom but i think most could grasp it pretty easily without getting all emotional about supposed slurs on our players.
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Re: Rate a Tiger's year - Nick Vlastuin?
« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2015, 01:46:46 PM »
Rated this lad 8 as l thought he was very solid in defence. A very smart fella. This lad will be one who's efforts will win you a flag.

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Re: Rate a Tiger's year - Nick Vlastuin?
« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2015, 05:27:41 PM »

BTW if you read the last quote you replied to you he basically said , yes Vlas has improved (even just a bit) which is the against you origal premise that he had stagnated. 


Yep in a nutshell I believe he improved minimally. But what is funny is the fact that since he agrees with me this time it means I don't let emotions get the better of me and have good judgement when on the other hand when he has disagreed with me he continually tells me I have rose coloured glasses :lol

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Re: Rate a Tiger's year - Nick Vlastuin?
« Reply #41 on: September 28, 2015, 05:31:22 PM »
A solid 6 - thought he took some important steps this season, stood up like a real leader on numerous occasions throughout the season and seems to be on the way to becoming a general down back.