Rate a Tiger's year - Nick Vlastuin?

[Gigantor]

I sort of understand what claw is saying re Floss....After the first season i was almost euphoric about this kid and thought superstar status was invetable..Since then his progress has been steady but not to that intial level...

[the claw]

In a word stagnated since his first season.

Absolute crap. You obviously never go and watch us play. Rubbish.

It is not my problem if you have blinkers on.   You obviously go to games but never watch.

It is my opinion that his first yr was  as good as his third year. If anything the stats back that up.
 His first yr was very good, especially for a first yr player. His second year he went backwards just a little. This year picked back up a bit but it was no better than his first year IMO. Stagnated is a very apt word to describe Vlastuin,  again imo. Am i calling him a dud, of course not he has been very solid for a young player.

Just for the record i have watched every game this yr  some of them twice. Unfortunately i have only seen three games live this yr.  Imo Vlastuin was pretty average  in at least 6 games this yr and im cutting him some slack on a couple of others.
Saying that i still gave him a 6 for his season which is what about a third of the posters have given him in the poll so far.
Why do posters like you get so defensive when people have a differing take on things???.

[scjhammo]

good strong year from Nick I feel with Yarran coming in it will release Nick up the ground and he will be even better for it putting him on the wing add some pace and toughness he has been playing tall all his career and doing a good job, his going to turn out just nicely

[Stalin]

Thought he was one f the few that could hold up his head

After the Norf effort

[YellowandBlackBlood]

In a word stagnated since his first season.

Absolute crap. You obviously never go and watch us play. Rubbish.

It is not my problem if you have blinkers on.   You obviously go to games but never watch.

It is my opinion that his first yr was  as good as his third year. If anything the stats back that up.
 His first yr was very good, especially for a first yr player. His second year he went backwards just a little. This year picked back up a bit but it was no better than his first year IMO. Stagnated is a very apt word to describe Vlastuin,  again imo. Am i calling him a dud, of course not he has been very solid for a young player.

Just for the record i have watched every game this yr  some of them twice. Unfortunately i have only seen three games live this yr.  Imo Vlastuin was pretty average  in at least 6 games this yr and im cutting him some slack on a couple of others.
Saying that i still gave him a 6 for his season which is what about a third of the posters have given him in the poll so far.
Why do posters like you get so defensive when people have a differing take on things???.

I've seen every home game live and a few away games that were in Melbourne.  Floss is second now only to Rance in our back half. He has sure hands and a long kick and makes good decisions with the ball in hand. He has taken mamy intercept marks and is as brave as anyone in the AFL. His worst game unfortunately was his last. He is not running forward as much because his role has changed in the team. He is still junior too. He has had a much better year than last year. I cannot see how you can call that stagnation.  He carries out his role perfectly.  He is doing what is asked of him. Maybe if he has more time in the midfield he can add more strings to his bow but that is a coaching decision and isn't a reflection of him.

[mat073]

In a word stagnated since his first season.

Actually I think you are correct ....In 2013 he was a good young player who played with maturity beyond his years .

Then he had a mild case of second year blues

This year he was back to being a good young player who plays with maturity beyond his years.

Good call Claw.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

In a word stagnated since his first season.

Actually I think you are correct ....In 2013 he was a good young player who played with maturity beyond his years .

Then he had a mild case of second year blues

This year he was back to being a good young player who plays with maturity beyond his years.

Good call Claw.

If you can't see an improvement in Flossy from his first year I'm flabbergasted.  The opposition now have plans to nulify his effect on the game, especially his intercept marking. Despite this he is still playing well. Yes he is STILL a good young player but one with more maturity and composure. He has improved and not stagnated.  Just because the trajectory of the improvement is not acute doesn't mean it's not there.

[tdy]

I think his decision making improved a lot this year.  While the stats dont say increased possesion I think he had increased influence on games than either of hus previous years.  If they keep him down back he could become all Australian in a couple more years.

[Stalin]

Very often wins a 50/50 ball

Very often puts him self between the ball an the goals (goal side)

A good kid indeed

[Fluffy Tiger]

In a word stagnated since his first season.

Actually I think you are correct ....In 2013 he was a good young player who played with maturity beyond his years .

Then he had a mild case of second year blues

This year he was back to being a good young player who plays with maturity beyond his years.

Good call Claw.

If you can't see an improvement in Flossy from his first year I'm flabbergasted.  The opposition now have plans to nulify his effect on the game, especially his intercept marking. Despite this he is still playing well. Yes he is STILL a good young player but one with more maturity and composure. He has improved and not stagnated.  Just because the trajectory of the improvement is not acute doesn't mean it's not there.

Good call YellowandBlack. If you cant see it your not watching the same games, or you are watching but not really seeing.

[the claw]

In a word stagnated since his first season.

Actually I think you are correct ....In 2013 he was a good young player who played with maturity beyond his years .

Then he had a mild case of second year blues

This year he was back to being a good young player who plays with maturity beyond his years.

Good call Claw.

If you can't see an improvement in Flossy from his first year I'm flabbergasted.  The opposition now have plans to nulify his effect on the game, especially his intercept marking. Despite this he is still playing well. Yes he is STILL a good young player but one with more maturity and composure. He has improved and not stagnated.  Just because the trajectory of the improvement is not acute doesn't mean it's not there.

Good call YellowandBlack. If you cant see it your not watching the same games, or you are watching but not really seeing.

Another option may well be people can't see past their noses when it comes to our players. In many ways i think i would take Vlastuins first year to this one.

Im one who should be talking this bloke up big time. I really wanted us to take him in his draft year and talked him up ad nauseum.  Come draft time i opted for Grundy as i thought he would go top 5 and the need for a quality  young ruckman was greater. If given the choice again i would take Grundy again.

  People get their backs up because of home truths. Imo he has stagnated from his first yr. . Im not calling him  a dud or no good in fact im happy with where he is at Being happy with what hes done thus far does not alter the fact that i think he has hardly progressed on his first year. I think his first year was marginally better than this last one. We all know he had a slight dip in his second year,  even that yr was not as bad as most made it out to be.
I'm  not  talking about how good he is, or how good he will become.  I am  talking about his three yrs to date,  i dont think he has greatly improved. iT IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

I'm not sure how you are judging his performances claw. Sure, his stats are similar but they don't tell you if he has performed the roles the coaching staff have given him. He has played his role in the team perfectly this year.  Much better than his first year. That's how I judge him and why I think he has improved.

[Fluffy Tiger]

This last season he was easily our second best  backman,  two years before he wasn't. I don't think that is really very disputable but go ahead and give us your option.

[Yeahright]

I somewhat agree with Claw but I see this year as maybe just a little better than his first. He's been solid as a loose backman but he has lost a bit of his attacking flair.

[Tigeritis™©®]

He's still one of our toughest. It's unfortunate that some of our so called leaders releasing those oestrogen pheromones may be stifling this young mans career, let's hope it doesn't rub off on him too much so he can improve into a toughened finals machine.