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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 08, 2015, 10:42:57 PM
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Best of Tigers still worst of AFL era
Jon Anderson ranks Richmond worst of the modern era.
Herald-Sun
November 9, 2015
IT’S the era that clearly represents the most significant changes in Australian football’s 158-year history, one that began when the VFL became the AFL in 1990 and Collingwood finally put its Colliwobbles to bed.
To celebrate this pivotal 25 years of Australian rules history, the Herald Sun has selected “best of” teams for the 13 sides that have played since 1990, plus Adelaide, Fremantle and Port Adelaide who entered the competition in the 1990s.
In each instance Jon Anderson has acted as one selector and then employed a consultant who has a deep knowledge of the respective sides.
Over coming days we will continue the countdown from “worst to best” of these respective sides.
Anderson chose the order whereas the consultants advised on team composition.
We begin today with Richmond. The Tigers find themselves in 16th place after failing to win a flag in the AFL era and reaching the finals only a depressing five times.
Leon Daphne, president of the Tigers from 1993-99, acted as consultant and was disappointed to find that our selection criteria — 100 games, five years or 200 goals — wasn’t met by Dale Weightman and Craig Lambert, who carried their careers over from the 1980s.
Daphne agreed that Matthew Richardson was the club’s only clear-cut champion in the AFL era, although he argued Matthew Knights and Wayne Campbell had claims for the same rating.
But in the end it wasn’t a hard team to pick given the lack of viable alternatives, although Daniel Jackson and Scott Turner were both given strong consideration.
22 OF THE BEST
Richmond’s team of the AFL era
B: Andrew Kellaway, Jeff Hogg, Darren Gaspar
HB: Chris Newman (c), Alex Rance, Joel Bowden
C: Wayne Campbell, Matthew Knights, Nick Daffy
HF: Brett Deledio, Matthew Richardson, Paul Broderick
F: Brendon Gale, Jack Riewoldt, Matt Rogers
R: Brad Ottens, Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin
I: Tony Free, Kane Johnson, Chris Naish, Chris Bond
Coach: Damien Hardwick
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-ranks-worst-in-jon-andersons-best-teams-of-the-modern-afl-era/news-story/9b35b9e36b7e09e4d969acc3ade1bbd2
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Didn't even bother reading the team once I saw Dan Jackson was an option :sleep
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Hogg played mostly FF in the AFL era and doesn't fit the criteria the rejected Flea and Lambert :huh.
1990 27 goals (11 games)
1991 68 (22)
1992 45 (18)
1993 57 (19)
4 years - 197 goals - 70 games
Anyway, here's my Best 22 (just best players in AFL era in their prime):
B: Andrew Kellaway Scott Turner Chris Newman
HB: Bachar Houli Alex Rance Joel Bowden
C: Wayne Campbell Matthew Knights Leon Cameron
HF: Brett Deledio Matthew Richardson Nathan Brown
F: Brendon Gale Jack Riewoldt Matt Rogers
R: Brad Ottens, Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin
I: Tony Free (c), Paul Broderick, Kane Johnson, Anthony Miles
Coach: Damien Hardwick
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Hogg played mostly FF in the AFL era and doesn't fit the criteria the rejected Flea and Lambert :huh.
1990 27 goals (11 games)
1991 68 (22)
1992 45 (18)
1993 57 (19)
4 years - 197 goals - 70 games
Anyway, here's my Best 22 (just best players in AFL era in their prime):
B: Andrew Kellaway Scott Turner Chris Newman
HB: Bachar Houli Alex Rance Joel Bowden
C: Wayne Campbell Matthew Knights Leon Cameron
HF: Brett Deledio Matthew Richardson Nathan Brown
F: Brendon Gale Jack Riewoldt Matt Rogers
R: Brad Ottens, Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin
I: Tony Free (c), Paul Broderick, Kane Johnson, Anthony Miles
Coach: Damien Hardwick
Some questionable inclusiins there,MT.
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Hoggy at FB? He only played FB when his best days at FF were over! Daffy??? :o Michael Gale was magnitudes better for us than Daffy! Ottens is pretty lucky, had a good career at Geelong but not so much with us & would struggle to make the best AFL team from Geelong.
The rest pretty much select themselves as the best of an average lot from yesteryear. Interesting that several current players (& coach) have already made our best team, I would've named either Richo or Knights as captain though.
Strange mix of flawed but faithful servants with a few traitors tossed in (Daffy & Ottens :banghead ) ...
The incredibly poor kicking skills of nearly the whole list of past players (especially the full back line) is the stuff of nightmares! :help
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No Gasper MT ?
Best defender in the comp back in 2000 / 01
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Why is Cap'n Pee-pee on the list.
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Johnson was a dud at Richmond.
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Shocker
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disgrace. Miles and Houli :lol and lol @ 2 time AA FB not being in the team
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I Thought Jason Torney and Stuart Maxfield may have got a gig?
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I did consider Torney for the BP position, Mint.
Maxfield had a good 1995 but he then left for Sydney :(.
Some questionable inclusiins there,MT.
Ox, you were always a big fan of 'Sugar' :lol.
It's harder than it looks. The backline choices per position especially are few and far between :-\.
No Gasper MT ?
Best defender in the comp back in 2000 / 01
Gas was an excellent one-on-one stopper but the reality was he couldn't kick. Sadly, he wouldn't last long in today's footy. With the defensive set-ups and press, opposition coaches would love Gas having possession of the footy in the backline.
I went with Rance and Scotty as the best two KPDs. May be bias as Scotty adds some hardness in defence but Turner in his prime also kept Dunstall goal-less after being part of Dunstall's 17 goal feast earlier on in his career.
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Gaspar in his prime would be one of the best defenders in todays footy, or any era of footy for that matter. he was incredible at his best. shocker of a kick but hey how much of the footy do dawson, talia, carlile and those types get? primary objective as a defender is to stop your opponent kicking goals and Gas was a master at that until his knee went bang.
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Steven Jurica :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Duncan Kellaway and Michael Gale?
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You know you've had lean times when Hardwick gets the nod.
:banghead
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Spud should probably be coach as laughable as that is. At least he won a final :lol
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Spud should probably be coach as laughable as that is. At least he won a final :lol
:clapping
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Northey should be coach. He won us a final and united the team with an "us against them" mentality that we haven't had since.
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The only reason I gave Dimma the nod, was because we've been more consistent under him (and I don't mean at losing finals lol ). None of our coaches in the AFL era have gone close to winning flag but IMHO the first coach in 40 years to finally get us to make successive finals gets the nod.
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AFL era, basically since the introduction of the ND in 86.
It really does show why we have been so poor when bums can get into the best 22 over a 30 yr period.
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The only reason I gave Dimma the nod, was because we've been more consistent under him (and I don't mean at losing finals lol ). None of our coaches in the AFL era have gone close to winning flag but IMHO the first coach in 40 years to finally get us to make successive finals gets the nod.
Ive got no doubt that Northey would've got us into finals in '96 but the board thought it better to sign up a cheating scum-fellow that had already stated he'd had enough of coaching and had lost the passion for it. :banghead
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Ive got no doubt that Northey would've got us into finals in '96 but the board thought it better to sign up a cheating scum-fellow that had already stated he'd had enough of coaching and had lost the passion for it. :banghead
With respect Northey had a contract and because use the club wouldn't extended it he walked out on our club
He walked out, he wasn't sacked, wasn't forced out, he walked out with. 12 months to go on his contract
Please don't forget that... Did they get I his replacement right? No but Northey isn't blameless in that fiasco. Actually he created it
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no Mal brown created it. He was front and centre in a very public white anting campaign to get rid of northey.
Because of this northey wanted his existing contract extended. From memory he had one year to go and asked for another year to be added, which was rejected by richmond
He was offered a three year contract by Brisbane so chose to take the job security they offered, rather than the insecurity that comes with an influencial character undermining you and the club not doing anything to allay any fears he would get his way.
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no Mal brown created it. He was front and centre in a very public white anting campaign to get rid of northey.
Because of this northey wanted his existing contract extended. From memory he had one year to go and asked for another year to be added, which was rejected by richmond
He was offered a three year contract by Brisbane so chose to take the job security they offered, rather than the insecurity that comes with an influencial character undermining you and the club not doing anything to allay any fears he would get his way.
This is my recollection too.
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no Mal brown created it. He was front and centre in a very public white anting campaign to get rid of northey.
Because of this northey wanted his existing contract extended. From memory he had one year to go and asked for another year to be added, which was rejected by richmond
He was offered a three year contract by Brisbane so chose to take the job security they offered, rather than the insecurity that comes with an influencial character undermining you and the club not doing anything to allay any fears he would get his way.
The Mal Brown white anting is correct and I am not disputing that
But Leon Daphne was president and he was a man of integrity. Mal might have believed he had all the power but he didn't. Ultimately the board decided not to give him an extra year. Was it the right decision at board level? we will never know.
But I will admit I find it some what ironic that fast forward to 2015 and the majority on this forum are deadset against giving our current coach an extension But so many reckon we should not have hesitated in giving Northey an extension after taking us to 1 final's campaign
Anyway back to my main point the fact still remains Northey had year to run on a contract and he walked
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not too sure how you draw the conclusion about "so many", nor can i understand how you cant see the difference in the circumstances
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not too sure how you draw the conclusion about "so many", nor can i understand how you cant see the difference in the circumstances
What is the difference?
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read my post earlier and then tell me if any those circumstances apply to hardwick?
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Sorry WP, but I'm absolutely with Penelope and Y&B Blood on this one. The official club line may be that Northey broke his contract, but Mal Brown was behind Swooper leaving because he wanted a "better" coach. And we ended up with Robert Walls...pfft. Just another example of Richmond shooting itself in the foot.
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I would pick Dimma as well, this is the only time in this period of our history we have even looked remotely like a team that could win a premiership. Any other time we made finals I thought it was all very nice but just peeing in the wind, we were making up numbers. Despite our stupid 3 peat exits. The North one could be argued was a perfect storm of bs. Team resting, umpire error and Chaplin getting owned by a midget we de-listed years ago bahaha.
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MATE, ya kidding me aren't ya pal? Northey/Frawley get into prelims but we were just making up the numbers. Dimma coaches 3 straight finals, 2 pathetic losses against 8th(9th) and a pathetic smashing against POrt Adelaide...yet he was unlucky and we should have been premiers? give it a rest
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Northey should be coach. He won us a final and united the team with an "us against them" mentality that we haven't had since.
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and in 1995 had half a side out and still made a prelim.
what on earth happened post-1995 season?
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1995 was a great effort when you consider that Richo was seriously injured that year. If Richo had not been injured that year we could have gone further. If Northey had stayed in 1996 I believe we would have made the finals but instead Walls set about destroying a good team.
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Northey should be coach. He won us a final and united the team with an "us against them" mentality that we haven't had since.
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and in 1995 had half a side out and still made a prelim.
what on earth happened post-1995 season?
I don't know, it would've been interesting to be a fly on the wall around the place at that time. There was all kinds of speculation amongst supporters that Northey waving his jacket around after the semi- final win against Essendon was a reference to the club head-hunting Sheedy. All I remember was a couple of days after the great win, turning on the news and seeing Northey's girlfriend in the carpark outside the club angrily telling the assembled media that Mal Brown was a back-stabber and a bully. Next thing Walls is our coach, and despite assurances that he will only "tweak" our game plan, goes about methodically destroying everything we had built up.
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MATE, ya kidding me aren't ya pal? Northey/Frawley get into prelims but we were just making up the numbers. Dimma coaches 3 straight finals, 2 pathetic losses against 8th(9th) and a pathetic smashing against POrt Adelaide...yet he was unlucky and we should have been premiers? give it a rest
dont stuffing put words in my mouth , I didn't stuffing say we should of been premiers anywhere right? I said this team is the first time we have even remotely looked like a side that could have a serious crack at it and Dimma is the coach, therefore correct weight, he gets the nod. Give yourself an uppercut and sit the stuff down
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You're silly dude. how can sides who get near a GF "make up the numbers" and a side that can't beat poo teams "look like an AFL Premiership winner".
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You're silly dude. how can sides who get near a GF "make up the numbers" and a side that can't beat poo teams "look like an AFL Premiership winner".
why are you putting quotes around 'AFL Premiership winner'? Who are you quoting? It wouldn't be me because I didn't type any such thing. I wrote, and here Ill quote it for you, this; "this is the only time in this period of our history we have even looked remotely like a team that could win a premiership".
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You're silly dude. how can sides who get near a GF "make up the numbers" and a side that can't beat poo teams "look like an AFL Premiership winner".
why are you putting quotes around 'AFL Premiership winner'? Who are you quoting? It wouldn't be me because I didn't type any such thing. I wrote, and here Ill quote it for you, this; "this is the only time in this period of our history we have even looked remotely like a team that could win a premiership".
Why do you say that, so far we dont remotely look like a premiership team. I would go so far and say we were no closer to a premiership this year than we were in 2012.
There has been more than enough people at the start of each year saying we are a middling side. Our eventual finishes three years in a row confirm this.
Middling sides don't win premierships.
The 95 side whilst average and was destined to fail was much closer than anything hardwick has put together.