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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Fluffy Tiger on November 19, 2015, 01:19:46 PM
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Im looking at our list and after the trade period I can see depth. Im not going to debate each player, god knows there is enough bagging of nearly everybody on the team. You cant read a thread without it. The point of this thread is to show we have many players fighting for spots
Here is the Elimination Final team
B: Newman, Batchelor, Rance
HB: Houli, Vlastuin, Chaplin
C: B. Ellis, Cotchin, McIntosh
HF: Martin, Griffiths, Edwards
F: Riewoldt, Deledio, Vickery
R: Maric, Grigg, Hunt
IC: Grimes, Miles, Conca, Lambert
As I said Im not going to debate who should and should not be there.
We have lost a total of 1 player (Newman) off that team
Now we have
Players Added to list: Yarran, Moore, Townsend
Players stiff to miss last game: Lennon
Injured players that could of been in team: C.Ellis
Players been on list for while without much of a go. McBean, Elton
Young Players in and out of Side: Menadue
Development players that MIGHT push for selection: Butler, McKenzie, Drummond
Backup players that on "best form" could force way in: Astbury, Morris, Hampson, Lloyd
Now thats 15 players and 1 spot. That means competition for spots in my view.
I havent included any of our rookies or this years draft picks of which there may be one or two that will push for selection.
I will not debate the merrits of any of these players, I am just pointing out the numbers. Not many clubs would have 36 playerss that COULD be be pushing for selection.
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Now thats 15 players and 1 spot. That means competition for spots in my view.
That's the problem with not thinking about who deserves to be there or not. Don't consider who does and doesn't deserve a game and every team in the comp has 44 players fighting for 22 spots
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15 players are fighting to replace Newman on the half back stuff?
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15 blokes that wont get a game due to favoritism towards Grigg, Chaplin, Houli, hunt ...
might still rookie draft newman :shh
one less spot in reality, given everyone will likely play two ruckman, now
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Houli deserves his spot..
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B: x, x, Rance
HB: x, Vlastuin, x
C: x, Cotchin, McIntosh
HF: Martin, x, Edwards
F: Riewoldt, Deledio, x
R: Maric, x, x
IC: Grimes, Miles, x,
Only these ones 'deserve' it for mine
b ellis is has his issues but hes still twice as good an option as grigg for that spot
tyrone is tyrone
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How you can have McIntosh and Edwards in over Houli I'll never know. McIntosh maybe some benefit because he's young
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Now thats 15 players and 1 spot. That means competition for spots in my view.
That's the problem with not thinking about who deserves to be there or not. Don't consider who does and doesn't deserve a game and every team in the comp has 44 players fighting for 22 spots
Yes you have a good point so I should of said "realistically have a chance" of being selected. Ok McKenzie and Bulter might be a stretch but all of the other's would be going into the season with a chance a being selected for R1. That makes for good competition for spots.
15 players are fighting to replace Newman on the half back stuff?
Ok we will shove Conca from the bench onto the field now we have a bench spot to fill. Make it easier for you? It's ok I didn't expect many positive comments from this forum.
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15 players are fighting to replace Newman on the half back stuff?
Ok we will shove Conca from the bench onto the field now we have a bench spot to fill. Make it easier for you? It's ok I didn't expect many positive comments from this forum.
Yeah, some people here choose when to take things literally or when to twist them. Whatever suits their negativity :thumbsup
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Yeah by asking for clarification of this....
We have lost a total of 1 player (Newman) off that team
Now we have
Players Added to list: Yarran, Moore, Townsend
Players stiff to miss last game: Lennon
Injured players that could of been in team: C.Ellis
Players been on list for while without much of a go. McBean, Elton
Young Players in and out of Side: Menadue
Development players that MIGHT push for selection: Butler, McKenzie, Drummond
Backup players that on "best form" could force way in: Astbury, Morris, Hampson, Lloyd
Now thats 15 players and 1 spot. That means competition for spots in my view.
15 players are fighting to replace Newman on the half back stuff?
......I really "spun" that one to "suit my negativity".......haha yeahright....indeed...definitely some "spinning" going on around here but it ain't comin' from me... :shh
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How you can have McIntosh and Edwards in over Houli I'll never know. McIntosh maybe some benefit because he's young
titch is a bit of a gun
mcintosh adds much need grunt...
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Titch is a pop gun.
I like McIntosh...BUT....he needs to start to at least put some thought into his kicking more often, especially if he's going to remain on the wing....and it's not much use being a hard nut all the way through during the home and away season only to turn into a squib come the finals...
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Titch is a pop gun.
I like McIntosh...BUT....he needs to start to at least put some thought into his kicking more often, especially if he's going to remain on the wing....and it's not much use being a hard nut all the way through during the home and away season only to turn into a squib come the finals...
Funny because I thought he is one of the few that tried to provide some run in the EF. A couple of beautiful passes to Jack which he then kicked truly....
And that was just his first senior season! You really are a hard task master.
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Also flinched a few times in vital contests...was like he'd been suddenly possessed by the spirit of Elllis....which would also explain why Ellis played like a stuffin' zombie....
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i know stats dont mean munch with some of these afl players but titch was rubbish in the EF and was poor since he returned from injury
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yeah, but returning 2 weeks after a broken leg is stupid
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yeah, but returning 2 weeks after a broken leg is stupid
I thought it was 5.
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whatever it was it was unnaturally fast witch doctor type stuff
unfair to expect him to perform as he was previously
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Agree with Dioc, McIntosh is a bit of a kick and hope type at times. At others he is a beautiful kick so there is no reason why you cannot expect better from him.
whatever it was it was unnaturally fast witch doctor type stuff
unfair to expect him to perform as he was previously
Seemed about right time frame to return and it is totally fair to expect him to perform to at least a respectable level. He was close to useless once he got back
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Edwards pre-injury was not too far behind Nat Fyfe & Dan Hannebery, in the AFL coaches player of the year votes
after round 10, for example; Fyfe, Hannebery, Armitage, Shiel, Pendlebury, Priddis, Edwards
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Edwards pre-injury was not too far behind Nat Fyfe & Dan Hannebery, in the AFL coaches player of the year votes
after round 10, for example; Fyfe, Hannebery, Armitage, Shiel, Pendlebury, Priddis, Edwards
fair enough and thats their opinion, and if we are judging him on the first part of the year they may have a point.
I prefer to look at his whole year and career and it has been just above average.
Griff and Conca dont get any browny points when they return from injury so why should he. Once again in another final he along with other senior players failed to fire a shot.
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#JeSuisTitch
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No one was arguing pre-injury form Stalin stick to the point for once FFS
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was the point, he should of continued to perform at the previous level, about 7th best player in the afl, according to an afl coaches metric
regardless of the fact he returned very fast from a broken leg?
i get a feeling if griff or conca went the course of half an afl season, being top 10 in the AFL coaches votes, theyd get cut some slack too
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Can this side make the 8. Chances are buckleys and none.
FB/ GRIMES - ELTON - BATCHELOR
HB/ YARRAN - CHAPLIN - HOULI.
C/ MCINTOSH - TOWNSEND - B ELLIS.
R/ HAMPSON - MARTIN - MILES
HF/ LENNON - VICKERY - LLOYD
FF/ DELEDIO - GRIFFITHS - EDWARDS
INT/ VLASTUIN - GRIGG - MOORE - CONCA/C ELLIS.
Now lets talk about depth.
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Yeah proabably
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Can this side make the 8. Chances are buckleys and none.
FB/ GRIMES - ELTON - BATCHELOR
HB/ YARRAN - CHAPLIN - HOULI.
C/ MCINTOSH - TOWNSEND - B ELLIS.
R/ HAMPSON - MARTIN - MILES
HF/ LENNON - VICKERY - LLOYD
FF/ DELEDIO - GRIFFITHS - EDWARDS
INT/ VLASTUIN - GRIGG - MOORE - CONCA/C ELLIS.
Now lets talk about depth.
Take the best defender, number 1 Rickman, best forward, and best midfield (and captian) out of any side and they would stugle. If the backups for these position were as good as those you take out then they would be in the team to start with. It really is quite a stupid premise.
That said the team you put up would have a shot at top 8, you just don't rate most of our players.
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Took the words right out of my mouth fluff
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X2
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Can this side make the 8. Chances are buckleys and none.
FB/ GRIMES - ELTON - BATCHELOR
HB/ YARRAN - CHAPLIN - HOULI.
C/ MCINTOSH - TOWNSEND - B ELLIS.
R/ HAMPSON - MARTIN - MILES
HF/ LENNON - VICKERY - LLOYD
FF/ DELEDIO - GRIFFITHS - EDWARDS
INT/ VLASTUIN - GRIGG - MOORE - CONCA/C ELLIS.
Now lets talk about depth.
Take the best defender, number 1 Rickman, best forward, and best midfield (and captian) out of any side and they would stugle. If the backups for these position were as good as those you take out then they would be in the team to start with. It really is quite a stupid premise.
That said the team you put up would have a shot at top 8, you just don't rate most of our players.
that side would be lucky to win 5 or 6 games. That is how much we drop away from our best players in each position to the next rung.
Depth ppppfffftttt.
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Can this side make the 8. Chances are buckleys and none.
FB/ GRIMES - ELTON - BATCHELOR
HB/ YARRAN - CHAPLIN - HOULI.
C/ MCINTOSH - TOWNSEND - B ELLIS.
R/ HAMPSON - MARTIN - MILES
HF/ LENNON - VICKERY - LLOYD
FF/ DELEDIO - GRIFFITHS - EDWARDS
INT/ VLASTUIN - GRIGG - MOORE - CONCA/C ELLIS.
Now lets talk about depth.
Take the best defender, number 1 Rickman, best forward, and best midfield (and captian) out of any side and they would stugle. If the backups for these position were as good as those you take out then they would be in the team to start with. It really is quite a stupid premise.
That said the team you put up would have a shot at top 8, you just don't rate most of our players.
that side would be lucky to win 5 or 6 games. That is how much we drop away from our best players in each position to the next rung.
Depth ppppfffftttt.
ive got the following not in the best 22:
Chaplin
Grigg
Hampson
Morris
Lloyd
Hunt
Batchelor
Griffiths
Lambert
Moore
Broad
Elton
Drummond
McKenzie
Short#
Soldo#
Butler
Markov
Menadue
Castagna
Outside the first 3 / 4 / 5 names, they are young and potentially all can improve [in theory, at least]
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Can this side make the 8. Chances are buckleys and none.
FB/ GRIMES - ELTON - BATCHELOR
HB/ YARRAN - CHAPLIN - HOULI.
C/ MCINTOSH - TOWNSEND - B ELLIS.
R/ HAMPSON - MARTIN - MILES
HF/ LENNON - VICKERY - LLOYD
FF/ DELEDIO - GRIFFITHS - EDWARDS
INT/ VLASTUIN - GRIGG - MOORE - CONCA/C ELLIS.
Now lets talk about depth.
Take the best defender, number 1 Rickman, best forward, and best midfield (and captian) out of any side and they would stugle. If the backups for these position were as good as those you take out then they would be in the team to start with. It really is quite a stupid premise.
That said the team you put up would have a shot at top 8, you just don't rate most of our players.
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key point
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How deep is your team's list?
Nathan Schmook
AFL.com.au
7 April 2016
RICHMOND
Backline: The key posts are strong, illustrated by Troy Chaplin's struggle to earn a game, but injuries are testing the Tigers in the half-back position forcing Brandon Ellis to move out of the midfield.
Midfield: Has been bolstered by inside midfield recruits and now boasts depth in numbers. Youngster Connor Menadue has demanded selection, but the class at the bottom end has been found wanting. Injury free here.
Ruck: Shaun Hampson has stepped in for injured No.1 ruck Ivan Maric, but beyond that the Tigers only have two raw rookies (project player Ivan Soldo and first-year tall Mabior Chol). Maric is set to return this week against Adelaide.
Forwards: Hit hard by the losses of Brett Deledio and Shane Edwards, the Tigers drew on rookie Jayden Short for cover. Debutant Daniel Rioli was also required in round one but suffered a leg injury.
Depth stat: Richmond has carried an average of 1599 games experience on the sidelines in each of the opening two rounds.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-06/how-deep-is-your-teams-list
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Since my above post
Menadue
Lloyd
Lambert
B22
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Since my above post
Menadue
Lloyd
Lambert
B22
Its nice we're getting player turnover somewhat. 3/22 changes so far for the year. Yarran will make 4, thats %18 turnover.
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Since my above post
Menadue
Lloyd
Lambert
B22
Its nice we're getting player turnover somewhat. 3/22 changes so far for the year. Yarran will make 4, thats %18 turnover.
But
We are startin from behind the eight ball ..
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Im looking at our list and after the trade period I can see depth. Im not going to debate each player, god knows there is enough bagging of nearly everybody on the team. You cant read a thread without it. The point of this thread is to show we have many players fighting for spots
Here is the Elimination Final team
B: Newman, Batchelor, Rance
HB: Houli, Vlastuin, Chaplin
C: B. Ellis, Cotchin, McIntosh
HF: Martin, Griffiths, Edwards
F: Riewoldt, Deledio, Vickery
R: Maric, Grigg, Hunt
IC: Grimes, Miles, Conca, Lambert
As I said Im not going to debate who should and should not be there.
We have lost a total of 1 player (Newman) off that team
Now we have
Players Added to list: Yarran, Moore, Townsend
Players stiff to miss last game: Lennon
Injured players that could of been in team: C.Ellis
Players been on list for while without much of a go. McBean, Elton
Young Players in and out of Side: Menadue
Development players that MIGHT push for selection: Butler, McKenzie, Drummond
Backup players that on "best form" could force way in: Astbury, Morris, Hampson, Lloyd
Now thats 15 players and 1 spot. That means competition for spots in my view.
I havent included any of our rookies or this years draft picks of which there may be one or two that will push for selection.
I will not debate the merrits of any of these players, I am just pointing out the numbers. Not many clubs would have 36 playerss that COULD be be pushing for selection.
That has been the trouble people and obviously the club look at the numbers and think we have each area covered.
I will give you an example and the simple truth is it is the same for all areas.
At a glance i could say we have SEVEN POTENTIAL RUCKMEN. Maric, Hampson, Soldo, Vickery, Griffiths, McBean and Chol.You look at the numbers and say yep we have ruck covered.
When you take a close look though and weigh up everything, The reality is there is just one Maric who actually plays to an acceptable afl standard consistently, and he is really struggling to compete. The reality is there is just one ruckman on the list who is afl standard and he is in decline, the rest are either no good, have huge deficiencies and none look like they could become a good quality #1 ruckman.
The reality is despite the numbers our ruck stocks are dire.
What is depth anyway? . Is a junior who may or may not make it, actually depth? of course he isnt he is a junior and the fact he is not up to afl standard has to be factored in.We need to make the neccessary distinctions.
To me depth is really about having players who can come into your side and perform his role to a decent consistent afl standard or develop enough to actually force a good consistent player out of the side.
Depth well we dont really have much after making all the neccessary distinctions.