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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mat073 on July 04, 2016, 04:18:03 PM
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Had a great season back in 2012 but that was a long time ago.
Rarely plays at that 2012 level ....the exception being the round 7 win against Collingwood and Sydney game last year.
He doesn't consistently play at an "A" grade standard anymore. He rarely hurts the opposition. Continues to miss easy shots on goal.
I think out of Martin , Jack and Rance - Cotch is most expendable. As they say you have to trade quality to get quality. Bulldogs aren't missing Griffen.
Think we might be better off with Martin / Vlastuin in the middle.
Cotchin is not a leader in the "Hodge/Mitchell" mould. That is what we desparately need moving forward.
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Of our top players with any real currency he is the one to trade. Lids, Grigg and Edwards will also get something and should go also. These guys continually fail to deliver in big games because they don't give a stuff. They think they do but don't!
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Can we please trade supporters like you to Collingwood?
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So that's 2-0 to the idiots so far....
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Yes I would consider trading him and Lids amongst all the B and C grade players I want to get rid of, if we get a good deal in return.
Jack and/or Rance for captain.
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3-0
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Cotchin is overrated and useless as a leader.
I'd trade him.
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Chris Newman Mk 2
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3-0
if they post more than once does that count as two points?
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Everyone has a price.
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He got Pwnd by a midget with a ponytail.
Tried to go aggro on him at 1/4 time break...that worked well.
Gets sucked in by the tagger too easily and goes missing.
Bad leader - decent player.
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Put me down. 5 - 0
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Can we please trade supporters like you to Collingwood?
If the admin have their head in the sand like you then we really are stuffed
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So that's 2-0 to the idiots so far....
Yep you and Cracker!
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I'd posted a similar thread a couple of weeks ago.
I reckon we'd be able to get 2 x first round draft picks, one of those a top 10 if we get the right deal.
That would give us 3 top 20 and most probably 2 x top 10 draft picks.
We could trade one of those for Prestia and with the salary cap space really go hard after Hurley.
Then we need to trade any one of the various players mentioned on the forum to gain a decent ruck while trying to get another 20-30 pick. Again, there should be salary cap space to get the right ruck.
I don't particularly want to lose Cotchin but am starting to think it might be a good decision for both parties.
At the moment, he is getting belted around by taggers with little or no support - at this rate, the guy will be a spent force in 3 or 4 years
Put him in a club like GWS or the Hawks where he would be the 3rd of 4th ranked mid and he will be a star.
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8 - 2.
Dio and CrackerBarrel against.
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Why not.
Misses easy set shots from within 40.
Kicks into the wind when he wins the toss in an interstate final.
Has 9 possessions a year later in the same final.
9-2.
While we are at it. Don't trade Grigg or Titch, but make Taylor Hunt captain.
This my friends is a blue ribbon recipe.
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No way.
Some people are forgetting that we are a CLUB. Cotchin is the captain of our CLUB. You do not trade your captain unless there is a problem with his leadership and he has lost the playing group. I have not heard that at all. Sure, Griffin from WB was traded but that is because he had a problem with the then coach and the club admin. He wanted to leave. Cotch is happy. A completely different situation.
If you want to completely rip the heart and soul out of your club then trade him.
I would never want to go to a club that trades their captain. If they want to trade their captain who has won 3 b&fs, what sort of shyte hole is that place? They show no loyalty whatsoever. Why would any player be loyal to them?
My fix is we get players that can block and shepherd and protect their teammate with the ball. Hasn't anyone got the kahunas to run through a tagger and give them multiple corkies? Who cares if they get a fine or a week? The main thing is that it tells the opposition that you can't man handle anyone in our team, especially our captain.
No way. You guys are all crazy. The guy is a gun. We need more guns. We don't need to get rid of the ones we have. What guns did Hawthorn get rid of? A depressed Thompson and Jonathan Hay? LMAO. Seriously, you guys are deluded.
:gotigers
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We've actually traded our captain once before and it was a sensational deal
Got us Broderick, Gale M, and Dundas and we gave up Hogg
FWIW i wouldn't trade Cotchin.
But it is an interesting debate
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Plenty of clubs have traded marquee players and lived to fight another day.
Hawks, Crows, Cats (a few times), Eagles, Bulldogs just to name a few.
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Plenty of clubs have traded marquee players and lived to fight another day.
Hawks, Crows, Cats (a few times), Eagles, Bulldogs just to name a few.
Name them and describe the circumstances.
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We've actually traded our captain once before and it was a sensational deal
Got us Broderick, Gale M, and Dundas and we gave up Hogg
FWIW i wouldn't trade Cotchin.
But it is an interesting debate
Jeff Hogg was finished as a footballer with a back injury. Slightly different situation WP. We committed highway robbery back then. :snidegrin
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no
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l would actually get Ben Cousins in to help with with some leadership
HE could stand around & direct the traffic down the corridor :snidegrin
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Well....u wouldn't trade Lids, Rance, Jack or MARTIN, would u!
So its got to be Cotchin.
His being Captain would assure us plenty of bargaining power at the deal
and he's the one out of the top five that we easily cover for when he's out.
Players have worked him totally out and he gets owned by the top sides.
Blame his team mates for not chopping out all u want but fact is, blokes like Judd for example seem to find a way.
He has the personality of a door knocking Jehovah and that translates in many ways professionally.
im in.
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Matthew Lloyd defended Cotchin last night and said Cotch is much maligned and his past 5-6 weeks (before last Friday night) have been good.
Lloyd - "He didn't hold himself well on Friday night but who helped him out? If Trent was at Hawthorn or Geelong then his opponent (tagger) would know all about it."
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Im in.
Has proven this year he is just another good midfielder.
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Plenty of clubs have traded marquee players and lived to fight another day.
Hawks, Crows, Cats (a few times), Eagles, Bulldogs just to name a few.
Name them and describe the circumstances.
Why?
Richmond has a history of either overpaying or overprotecting its best players which has led us nowhere.
The above clubs have let all time champion players and captains go without being overly affected - in fact some have used it to springboard its success.
If your point relates to the player wanting to leave then I accept that but more point is moreso how to club responded to that situation and became a stronger club.
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Plenty of clubs have traded marquee players and lived to fight another day.
Hawks, Crows, Cats (a few times), Eagles, Bulldogs just to name a few.
Name them and describe the circumstances.
Why?
Richmond has a history of either overpaying or overprotecting its best players which has led us nowhere.
The above clubs have let all time champion players and captains go without being overly affected - in fact some have used it to springboard its success.
If your point relates to the player wanting to leave then I accept that but more point is moreso how to club responded to that situation and became a stronger club.
The point is that to have your captain, who has won 3 b&fs for your club, shipped off is a very very different situation to all those ones you described. That's all. And I'm not even a fan of his captaincy!!!
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Matthew Lloyd defended Cotchin last night and said Cotch is much maligned and his past 5-6 weeks (before last Friday night) have been good.
Lloyd - "He didn't hold himself well on Friday night but who helped him out? If Trent was at Hawthorn or Geelong then his opponent (tagger) would know all about it."
If he has another bad game that flog will change his tune
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Well....u wouldn't trade Lids, Rance, Jack or MARTIN, would u!
So its got to be Cotchin.
His being Captain would assure us plenty of bargaining power at the deal
and he's the one out of the top five that we easily cover for when he's out.
Players have worked him totally out and he gets owned by the top sides.
Blame his team mates for not chopping out all u want but fact is, blokes like Judd for example seem to find a way.
He has the personality of a door knocking Jehovah and that translates in many ways professionally.
im in.
I would be open to trading Lids if he wants to seek opportunities elsewhere.
Only three I would never trade are Jack, Rance and Martin.
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I would trade Cotchin before i would trade Deledio.
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Matthew Lloyd defended Cotchin last night and said Cotch is much maligned and his past 5-6 weeks (before last Friday night) have been good.
Lloyd - "He didn't hold himself well on Friday night but who helped him out? If Trent was at Hawthorn or Geelong then his opponent (tagger) would know all about it."
If he has another bad game that flog will change his tune
which bit was wrong?
i could see cotchin becoming a very good footballer at a top 4 club
won a brownlow @ 22
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Matthew Lloyd defended Cotchin last night and said Cotch is much maligned and his past 5-6 weeks (before last Friday night) have been good.
Lloyd - "He didn't hold himself well on Friday night but who helped him out? If Trent was at Hawthorn or Geelong then his opponent (tagger) would know all about it."
U mean, against all the crap teams that are WPRSE than us?
Sure.
Whatever, the point here is to get the most draft picks to start again.
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and plus it would be better for Trent. :snidegrin
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Do something radical and unrichmond like ....swap Cotchin + B . Ellis+ helicopter for Nat Fyfe.
If we always keep doing the same things we will always be mediocre.
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This is why we must stuff the recruiters and coach.
The reason they won't move anything with value in is because it's oersonal to them.
It's an admission of failure.
Now, in a place where there's no senior accountability I can't see anyone admitting failure.
This is why they're all pathetic, boys club mentality, jobs for mates wankers.
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I would trade Cotchin before i would trade Deledio.
I'd trade Deledio first but I'd be happy to trade both for the right deal.
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Let's trade Cotchin, Lids & Anyone else of any note and let's get Ol' Man Betamax Jackson a fair dinkum crack with 2 top ten picks and a couple of picks in the teens. :rollin
And then let BJ Hartley & DanThe Man work their magic to get us some big fish :rollin
And because they'll get atleast one player right every 5 years let's unleash the development Guru himself "Chocco" Williams and his band of development disciples honing the skills of all our new potential superstars of the competition. :rollin
Then when required, Damien "Dumma Halfstep Softstick" Hardwick & his best mates in the coaches box will allow these new players to play their natural game, encouraging them to take the game on, giving our forwards every opportunity to score quickly consistently kicking more than 100 points a game, creating tackling machines & installing a great work ethic, nurturing a fierce competitive attitude, creating an environment of excellence and uncompromising toughness, they'll become the most feared players in the AFL, whilst offering a game plan that encourages continuos improvement and desire to achieve greatness and also creating an environment that motivates them to play for one another and smashing the opposition that thinks it can target any of their teammates. :rollin
Let's do it! Have any of them let us down yet? :rollin
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As tempting as it sounds to trade Cotchin it wont fix the real problem which is the pretenders that are out of contract.
Do something radical and unrichmond like ....swap Cotchin + B . Ellis+ helicopter for Nat Fyfe.
Damn straight, Lyon is talking about rebuilding over in the west and I'd happily trade a combination of Ellis,Griffiths,Conca,Edwards and/or draft picks.
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As tempting as it sounds to trade Cotchin it wont fix the real problem which is the pretenders that are out of contract.
Do something radical and unrichmond like ....swap Cotchin + B . Ellis+ helicopter for Nat Fyfe.
Damn straight, Lyon is talking about rebuilding over in the west and I'd happily trade a combination of Ellis,Griffiths,Conca,Edwards and/or draft picks.
Yep if they need KPPs they can have Vickery, Griffiths, Astbury, McBean and Elton. Throw in Conca because he's from WA.
Wonder if that would get us close to Fyfe lmao
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As we all know, the whole place is like space junk floating in space.
The so called football club doesnt even understand football, preferring to
worship 'The Process" and in the process paying no attention to the actual spirit of the game itself.
I dont mean male comradery etc but more the feel of the game, the confidence to use one's god given talent without having to first think of the process.
Yep.
The joint has got no stuffn soul and all u need to do is look at the clowns who think they're running the show
to understand why.
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Plenty of clubs have traded marquee players and lived to fight another day.
Hawks, Crows, Cats (a few times), Eagles, Bulldogs just to name a few.
Name them and describe the circumstances.
Why?
Richmond has a history of either overpaying or overprotecting its best players which has led us nowhere.
The above clubs have let all time champion players and captains go without being overly affected - in fact some have used it to springboard its success.
If your point relates to the player wanting to leave then I accept that but more point is moreso how to club responded to that situation and became a stronger club.
The point is that to have your captain, who has won 3 b&fs for your club, shipped off is a very very different situation to all those ones you described. That's all. And I'm not even a fan of his captaincy!!!
Sorry mate, don't follow you.
For me it's simple - for the exact reasons you stated - he commands a premium.
Given our situation, he gets the best possible trade, probably becomes a better player and is the one we can best cover - particularly if we used one of the picks to get Prestia.
The alternative of having 5 good players occasionally getting us to 8th on the back of an average list with a crap game plan is intolerable.
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Plenty of clubs have traded marquee players and lived to fight another day.
Hawks, Crows, Cats (a few times), Eagles, Bulldogs just to name a few.
Name them and describe the circumstances.
Why?
Richmond has a history of either overpaying or overprotecting its best players which has led us nowhere.
The above clubs have let all time champion players and captains go without being overly affected - in fact some have used it to springboard its success.
If your point relates to the player wanting to leave then I accept that but more point is moreso how to club responded to that situation and became a stronger club.
The point is that to have your captain, who has won 3 b&fs for your club, shipped off is a very very different situation to all those ones you described. That's all. And I'm not even a fan of his captaincy!!!
Sorry mate, don't follow you.
For me it's simple - for the exact reasons you stated - he commands a premium.
Given our situation, he gets the best possible trade, probably becomes a better player and is the one we can best cover - particularly if we used one of the picks to get Prestia.
The alternative of having 5 good players occasionally getting us to 8th on the back of an average list with a crap game plan is intolerable.
Firstly and most importantly, Cotchin will need to want to leave. We can't trade him if he doesn't want to leave. Secondly, what are people wanting for him? I would only consider it for a top 2 pick and another good player. I doubt a rebuilding side would part with that.
It's not going to happen anyway. So we can all argue about a hypothetical that won't happen.
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Anyone who wants to retain Cotchin is doing so primarily for the fear of the unknown and making tough decisions with unknown consequences
Wake up and get out of you comfort zones - it doesnt get much worse than where we are at. And losing him wont make much difference.
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I'm going to trade my membership for a VIP membership for the blue oyster bar.
I'm sure I will get pretty much what what i get from my Richmond Membership, just a bit more commitment and hardness.
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Anyone who wants to retain Cotchin is doing so primarily for the fear of the unknown and making tough decisions with unknown consequences
Wake up and get out of you comfort zones - it doesnt get much worse than where we are at. And losing him wont make much difference.
Well I definitely don't want to trade him for picks that FJ and co will stuff up again!!!!!
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Suns have 6 of the top 28 picks and GWS have 5 of 34 in this years draft (based on current ladder positions).
The Suns in particular would be a great option because they need leadership and class through the mid field and have picks to trade.
Based on current ladder positions, they currently have 4,9,22,23,27 & 28 in the draft.
We might jag pick 4 and Prestia or 9,22 and Prestia.
That would leave us with 4 & 7 (based on us finishing where we are) and Prestia.
Y&BB, we could most definitely do a decent trade - if Cotchin agreed and then it's up to our vaunted reinvigorated recruiting division!
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Anyone who wants to retain Cotchin is doing so primarily for the fear of the unknown and making tough decisions with unknown consequences
Wake up and get out of you comfort zones - it doesnt get much worse than where we are at. And losing him wont make much difference.
Well I definitely don't want to trade him for picks that FJ and co will stuff up again!!!!!
Oh cmon, live a little
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Anyone who wants to retain Cotchin is doing so primarily for the fear of the unknown and making tough decisions with unknown consequences
Wake up and get out of you comfort zones - it doesnt get much worse than where we are at. And losing him wont make much difference.
The book of dooks
Verse 7-13
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Anyone who wants to retain Cotchin is doing so primarily for the fear of the unknown and making tough decisions with unknown consequences
Wake up and get out of you comfort zones - it doesnt get much worse than where we are at. And losing him wont make much difference.
The book of dooks
Verse 7-13
Hmm i always thought when i spoke it was the word of god.
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Getting yourself mixed up with claw , me thinks
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I'm going to trade my membership for a VIP membership for the blue oyster bar.
I'm sure I will get pretty much what what i get from my Richmond Membership, just a bit more commitment and hardness.
:clapping :rollin :clapping
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Suns have 6 of the top 28 picks and GWS have 5 of 34 in this years draft (based on current ladder positions).
The Suns in particular would be a great option because they need leadership and class through the mid field and have picks to trade.
Based on current ladder positions, they currently have 4,9,22,23,27 & 28 in the draft.
We might jag pick 4 and Prestia or 9,22 and Prestia.
That would leave us with 4 & 7 (based on us finishing where we are) and Prestia.
Y&BB, we could most definitely do a decent trade - if Cotchin agreed and then it's up to our vaunted reinvigorated recruiting division!
Is this from trading their kids for future picks?
If they were prepared to give up pick 4 + Prestia for Cotchin that would be a massive win for us.
Would also be trying to get Day and Nicholls. Happily trade Cotchin for all three, or throw in Deledio to get more picks/players our way.
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They traded future picks from us, port, Melbourne & freo in 2015. Given where those teams are finishing on the ladder this year, it's turning out nicely for them and puts them in the drivers seat to pick up a couple of quality, experienced midfielders which is why I think they might really go hard for someone like a Cotchin.
They would also have salary cap space coming with Ablett in the final year of his contract.
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Suns have 6 of the top 28 picks and GWS have 5 of 34 in this years draft (based on current ladder positions).
The Suns in particular would be a great option because they need leadership and class through the mid field and have picks to trade.
Based on current ladder positions, they currently have 4,9,22,23,27 & 28 in the draft.
We might jag pick 4 and Prestia or 9,22 and Prestia.
That would leave us with 4 & 7 (based on us finishing where we are) and Prestia.
Y&BB, we could most definitely do a decent trade - if Cotchin agreed and then it's up to our vaunted reinvigorated recruiting division!
Is this from trading their kids for future picks?
If they were prepared to give up pick 4 + Prestia for Cotchin that would be a massive win for us.
Would also be trying to get Day and Nicholls. Happily trade Cotchin for all three, or throw in Deledio to get more picks/players our way.
Day is a slightly improved Vickery. I'd go after 2 metre Peter.
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They won't give peter away sadly
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They won't give peter away sadly
If it was linked to Cotchin?
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Well that would hardly be giving him away.
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Suns have 6 of the top 28 picks and GWS have 5 of 34 in this years draft (based on current ladder positions).
The Suns in particular would be a great option because they need leadership and class through the mid field and have picks to trade.
Based on current ladder positions, they currently have 4,9,22,23,27 & 28 in the draft.
We might jag pick 4 and Prestia or 9,22 and Prestia.
That would leave us with 4 & 7 (based on us finishing where we are) and Prestia.
Y&BB, we could most definitely do a decent trade - if Cotchin agreed and then it's up to our vaunted reinvigorated recruiting division!
Is this from trading their kids for future picks?
If they were prepared to give up pick 4 + Prestia for Cotchin that would be a massive win for us.
Would also be trying to get Day and Nicholls. Happily trade Cotchin for all three, or throw in Deledio to get more picks/players our way.
Day is a slightly improved Vickery. I'd go after 2 metre Peter.
I would want him as a KPD. See him as a better option than Chaplin, Astbury etc.
Peter would be a great pickup but I don't see how they'd let him go...