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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on September 12, 2016, 10:48:19 PM
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New face of recruiting?
Finally we have a change after so many missed shots. Anyone have any info on this guy?
Anyone explain the role of Dan Richardson they seem to have randomly created? Why not just give him the flick. Surely there is better out there for player talent than a mediocre ex Footy GM?
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Long-time head recruiter Francis Jackson will be replaced by Matthew Clarke, with Jackson remaining in a part-time role.
As part of the restructure, previous football manager Dan Richardson has been moved to the new position of general manager of football talent. The former player agent will work closely with list manager Blair Hartley and oversee player contracts, welfare, list management and recruiting.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-hire-neil-balme-to-head-restructured-football-department/news-story/7608b53d1aa055cbca78818379295703
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Has been on our payroll since 2007 so it's fair to say he is part of this recruiting mess we find ourselves in
Prior to that he was with the demons for 1 year.
You would think the idiots would have drawn a line in the sand and searched far and wide for the best scout but no not at comedyfc. All they did was demote a dud and replace him with another. It's Miller and Hackson all over again
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Has been on our payroll since 2007 so it's fair to say he is part of this recruiting mess we find ourselves in
Prior to that he was with the demons for 1 year.
You would think the idiots would have drawn a line in the sand and searched far and wide for the best scout but no not at comedyfc. All they did was demote a dud and replace him with another. It's Miller and Hackson all over again
:clapping Blind leading the blind
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Has been on our payroll since 2007 so it's fair to say he is part of this recruiting mess we find ourselves in
Prior to that he was with the demons for 1 year.
You would think the idiots would have drawn a line in the sand and searched far and wide for the best scout but no not at comedyfc. All they did was demote a dud and replace him with another. It's Miller and Hackson all over again
:clapping Blind leading the blind
Is this the same Matthew Clarke who we delisted as a ruckman and went on to have a stellar career at Brisbane?
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Has been on our payroll since 2007 so it's fair to say he is part of this recruiting mess we find ourselves in
Prior to that he was with the demons for 1 year.
You would think the idiots would have drawn a line in the sand and searched far and wide for the best scout but no not at comedyfc. All they did was demote a dud and replace him with another. It's Miller and Hackson all over again
:clapping Blind leading the blind
Is this the same Matthew Clarke who we delisted as a ruckman and went on to have a stellar career at Brisbane?
No
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Has been on our payroll since 2007 so it's fair to say he is part of this recruiting mess we find ourselves in
Prior to that he was with the demons for 1 year.
You would think the idiots would have drawn a line in the sand and searched far and wide for the best scout but no not at comedyfc. All they did was demote a dud and replace him with another. It's Miller and Hackson all over again
Correct. What process did we go through to find the best person? Did we consider the 2IC's from the best recruiting teams in the business like geelong hawthorn Adelaide or bulldogs? Why was this appointment made before the review was complete? Why was it made before Balme could have his input? For all the criticisms our recruiting dept has copped we sack the manager and appoint one of his staff. It would be like sacking Hardwick and appointing Lade or Mellor. Also Gale and Richardson made this appointment, the same people that brought you the Hardwick extension and the hampson houli and grigg extensions. Seems its a job for a mate and an easy appointment without having to do the hard work. Why is Blair kept on as the new blokes manager? The more you look into this appointment the more questions and concerns you have. The recruiting manager role is one of the most important roles as we are gonna rely on this bloke to put together our next premiership list but it seems we've taken a shortcut aporoach again.
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Has been on our payroll since 2007 so it's fair to say he is part of this recruiting mess we find ourselves in
Prior to that he was with the demons for 1 year.
You would think the idiots would have drawn a line in the sand and searched far and wide for the best scout but no not at comedyfc. All they did was demote a dud and replace him with another. It's Miller and Hackson all over again
Correct. What process did we go through to find the best person? Did we consider the 2IC's from the best recruiting teams in the business like geelong hawthorn Adelaide or bulldogs? Why was this appointment made before the review was complete? Why was it made before Balme could have his input? For all the criticisms our recruiting dept has copped we sack the manager and appoint one of his staff. It would be like sacking Hardwick and appointing Lade or Mellor. Also Gale and Richardson made this appointment, the same people that brought you the Hardwick extension and the hampson houli and grigg extensions. Seems its a job for a mate and an easy appointment without having to do the hard work. Why is Blair kept on as the new blokes manager? The more you look into this appointment the more questions and concerns you have. The recruiting manager role is one of the most important roles as we are gonna rely on this bloke to put together our next premiership list but it seems we've taken a shortcut aporoach again.
You are hardly going to be able to talk to any other club's recruiting people at this time of the year with the trade and drafts on in the next 8 weeks. Blair has another year to run on his contract.
Overarching all this is the off field spending cap. Can't be paying out contracts to multiple people especially if you need to payout a coaches contract in the next 12 months.
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Has been on our payroll since 2007 so it's fair to say he is part of this recruiting mess we find ourselves in
Prior to that he was with the demons for 1 year.
You would think the idiots would have drawn a line in the sand and searched far and wide for the best scout but no not at comedyfc. All they did was demote a dud and replace him with another. It's Miller and Hackson all over again
Correct. What process did we go through to find the best person? Did we consider the 2IC's from the best recruiting teams in the business like geelong hawthorn Adelaide or bulldogs? Why was this appointment made before the review was complete? Why was it made before Balme could have his input? For all the criticisms our recruiting dept has copped we sack the manager and appoint one of his staff. It would be like sacking Hardwick and appointing Lade or Mellor. Also Gale and Richardson made this appointment, the same people that brought you the Hardwick extension and the hampson houli and grigg extensions. Seems its a job for a mate and an easy appointment without having to do the hard work. Why is Blair kept on as the new blokes manager? The more you look into this appointment the more questions and concerns you have. The recruiting manager role is one of the most important roles as we are gonna rely on this bloke to put together our next premiership list but it seems we've taken a shortcut aporoach again.
You are hardly going to be able to talk to any other club's recruiting people at this time of the year with the trade and drafts on in the next 8 weeks. Blair has another year to run on his contract.
Overarching all this is the off field spending cap. Can't be paying out contracts to multiple people especially if you need to payout a coaches contract in the next 12 months.
What's the rush? Wait until the drafts are over and go through a thorough process to get the best available.
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Has been on our payroll since 2007 so it's fair to say he is part of this recruiting mess we find ourselves in
Prior to that he was with the demons for 1 year.
You would think the idiots would have drawn a line in the sand and searched far and wide for the best scout but no not at comedyfc. All they did was demote a dud and replace him with another. It's Miller and Hackson all over again
Correct. What process did we go through to find the best person? Did we consider the 2IC's from the best recruiting teams in the business like geelong hawthorn Adelaide or bulldogs? Why was this appointment made before the review was complete? Why was it made before Balme could have his input? For all the criticisms our recruiting dept has copped we sack the manager and appoint one of his staff. It would be like sacking Hardwick and appointing Lade or Mellor. Also Gale and Richardson made this appointment, the same people that brought you the Hardwick extension and the hampson houli and grigg extensions. Seems its a job for a mate and an easy appointment without having to do the hard work. Why is Blair kept on as the new blokes manager? The more you look into this appointment the more questions and concerns you have. The recruiting manager role is one of the most important roles as we are gonna rely on this bloke to put together our next premiership list but it seems we've taken a shortcut aporoach again.
You are hardly going to be able to talk to any other club's recruiting people at this time of the year with the trade and drafts on in the next 8 weeks. Blair has another year to run on his contract.
Overarching all this is the off field spending cap. Can't be paying out contracts to multiple people especially if you need to payout a coaches contract in the next 12 months.
What's the rush? Wait until the drafts are over and go through a thorough process to get the best available.
Don't think they are rushing at all. Need a structure for the upcoming draft and trade periods. However they have effectively sidelined Jackson as the decision maker and put Clarke in. Best move they could do right now. Expect Jackson will either go or he will be a part time talent scout.
They can review the structure again after November.
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I said this 3 months ago, we should have headhunted the best recruiters then, now we have to put up with rubbish again.
IMO all contracts should be up for review under Balmes guidance.
Pay them out, pee them off.
I would expect a recruiter to have to go through an application process as stringent as an AFL coach.
They would more then likely need to make a presentation on their views of our current list, evaluation of all players and a recommendation plan as a way forward.
Did M Clarke have to do this?
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I said this 3 months ago, we should have headhunted the best recruiters then, now we have to put up with rubbish again.
IMO all contracts should be up for review under Balmes guidance.
Pay them out, pee them off.
I would expect a recruiter to have to go through an application process as stringent as an AFL coach.
They would more then likely need to make a presentation on their views of our current list, evaluation of all players and a recommendation plan as a way forward.
Did M Clarke have to do this?
Agree. Should have waited for the drafts to be over and did a thorough search for the best available. But yet again this was too difficult and appears we went the easier option. This has Gale and Richardson due diligence process written all over it.
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I said this 3 months ago, we should have headhunted the best recruiters then, now we have to put up with rubbish again.
IMO all contracts should be up for review under Balmes guidance.
Pay them out, pee them off.
I would expect a recruiter to have to go through an application process as stringent as an AFL coach.
They would more then likely need to make a presentation on their views of our current list, evaluation of all players and a recommendation plan as a way forward.
Did M Clarke have to do this?
:banghead :banghead :banghead
Not saying its a total contradiction to "headhunt the best recruiters" whilst at the same time have a prospective headhunter "go through an application process" but I certainly can't fathom the notion that the best recruiters are just waiting in the wings for the RFC call-up.
C'mon guys, can we be a little bit smart about what we want?
3 months ago, I would have thought the best recruiter in the country is probably doing more work than at any other time of year leading into the draft period for their respective club/institution. They would be contracted until after the draft period and as such are not able to just head over to punt road cause we splashed some cash at them.
Like, ffs :help
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Has been on our payroll since 2007 so it's fair to say he is part of this recruiting mess we find ourselves in
Prior to that he was with the demons for 1 year.
You would think the idiots would have drawn a line in the sand and searched far and wide for the best scout but no not at comedyfc. All they did was demote a dud and replace him with another. It's Miller and Hackson all over again
Correct. What process did we go through to find the best person? Did we consider the 2IC's from the best recruiting teams in the business like geelong hawthorn Adelaide or bulldogs? Why was this appointment made before the review was complete? Why was it made before Balme could have his input? For all the criticisms our recruiting dept has copped we sack the manager and appoint one of his staff. It would be like sacking Hardwick and appointing Lade or Mellor. Also Gale and Richardson made this appointment, the same people that brought you the Hardwick extension and the hampson houli and grigg extensions. Seems its a job for a mate and an easy appointment without having to do the hard work. Why is Blair kept on as the new blokes manager? The more you look into this appointment the more questions and concerns you have. The recruiting manager role is one of the most important roles as we are gonna rely on this bloke to put together our next premiership list but it seems we've taken a shortcut aporoach again.
You are hardly going to be able to talk to any other club's recruiting people at this time of the year with the trade and drafts on in the next 8 weeks. Blair has another year to run on his contract.
Overarching all this is the off field spending cap. Can't be paying out contracts to multiple people especially if you need to payout a coaches contract in the next 12 months.
What's the rush? Wait until the drafts are over and go through a thorough process to get the best available.
Don't think they are rushing at all. Need a structure for the upcoming draft and trade periods. However they have effectively sidelined Jackson as the decision maker and put Clarke in. Best move they could do right now. Expect Jackson will either go or he will be a part time talent scout.
They can review the structure again after November.
You cant appoint someone to a role and then review it again in 3 months. Shouldve waited till after the drafts so Neil can have an input too, changing the head recruiter now isnt going to change anything for this draft
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I said this 3 months ago, we should have headhunted the best recruiters then, now we have to put up with rubbish again.
IMO all contracts should be up for review under Balmes guidance.
Pay them out, pee them off.
I would expect a recruiter to have to go through an application process as stringent as an AFL coach.
They would more then likely need to make a presentation on their views of our current list, evaluation of all players and a recommendation plan as a way forward.
Did M Clarke have to do this?
:banghead :banghead :banghead
Not saying its a total contradiction to "headhunt the best recruiters" whilst at the same time have a prospective headhunter "go through an application process" but I certainly can't fathom the notion that the best recruiters are just waiting in the wings for the RFC call-up.
C'mon guys, can we be a little bit smart about what we want?
3 months ago, I would have thought the best recruiter in the country is probably doing more work than at any other time of year leading into the draft period for their respective club/institution. They would be contracted until after the draft period and as such are not able to just head over to punt road cause we splashed some cash at them.
Like, ffs :help
So this scenario of throwing $ at someone has never worked since time immemorial?
If you don't try you don't know.
RFC does not even try.
Were our recruiters out doing the hard yards 3 months ago?
I don't think so, they most probably never have, which is why we are in the state we are in.
i think this department is the main reason we are in the state we are in, I am very interested to see how much scrutiny it has come under in "the review"
So you may say " ffs " .... really?.....
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I said this 3 months ago, we should have headhunted the best recruiters then, now we have to put up with rubbish again.
IMO all contracts should be up for review under Balmes guidance.
Pay them out, pee them off.
I would expect a recruiter to have to go through an application process as stringent as an AFL coach.
They would more then likely need to make a presentation on their views of our current list, evaluation of all players and a recommendation plan as a way forward.
Did M Clarke have to do this?
:banghead :banghead :banghead
Not saying its a total contradiction to "headhunt the best recruiters" whilst at the same time have a prospective headhunter "go through an application process" but I certainly can't fathom the notion that the best recruiters are just waiting in the wings for the RFC call-up.
C'mon guys, can we be a little bit smart about what we want?
3 months ago, I would have thought the best recruiter in the country is probably doing more work than at any other time of year leading into the draft period for their respective club/institution. They would be contracted until after the draft period and as such are not able to just head over to punt road cause we splashed some cash at them.
Like, ffs :help
Why not wait until after the draft?
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Has been on our payroll since 2007 so it's fair to say he is part of this recruiting mess we find ourselves in
Prior to that he was with the demons for 1 year.
You would think the idiots would have drawn a line in the sand and searched far and wide for the best scout but no not at comedyfc. All they did was demote a dud and replace him with another. It's Miller and Hackson all over again
Correct. What process did we go through to find the best person? Did we consider the 2IC's from the best recruiting teams in the business like geelong hawthorn Adelaide or bulldogs? Why was this appointment made before the review was complete? Why was it made before Balme could have his input? For all the criticisms our recruiting dept has copped we sack the manager and appoint one of his staff. It would be like sacking Hardwick and appointing Lade or Mellor. Also Gale and Richardson made this appointment, the same people that brought you the Hardwick extension and the hampson houli and grigg extensions. Seems its a job for a mate and an easy appointment without having to do the hard work. Why is Blair kept on as the new blokes manager? The more you look into this appointment the more questions and concerns you have. The recruiting manager role is one of the most important roles as we are gonna rely on this bloke to put together our next premiership list but it seems we've taken a shortcut aporoach again.
You are hardly going to be able to talk to any other club's recruiting people at this time of the year with the trade and drafts on in the next 8 weeks. Blair has another year to run on his contract.
Overarching all this is the off field spending cap. Can't be paying out contracts to multiple people especially if you need to payout a coaches contract in the next 12 months.
with the greatest respect this is a load of bs. why the hell not? Clubs poach players and coaches all year round and this should be no exception.
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Correct. Money talks.
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Well done Benny and Peggy :clapping
Ffs
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Correct. Money talks.
Gotta love football banter.
The name "money talks" mantra will literally be used in the same sentence as "club loyalty" and "one-club player".
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Well done Benny and Peggy :clapping
Ffs
for every rare good thing they do (balme) they go and stuff it up with rubbish like this.
"Sorry guys we are going to keep you for a year but by all means keep looking around"
"hey francois sorry we think you are the worst recruiter in the country and has been so many years, but we are a bunch of soft c o c k s so we will just demote you and replace you with your side kick clarke on the same day we sign up balmy, all good francois?"
seriously what the stuff do you expect fail and peggy sue to do. She is weak as pee and he is just dillusional.
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Well done Benny and Peggy :clapping
Ffs
for every rare good thing they do (balme) they go and stuff it up with rubbish like this.
"Sorry guys we are going to keep you for a year but by all means keep looking around"
"hey francois sorry we think you are the worst recruiter in the country and has been so many years, but we are a bunch of soft c o c k s so we will just demote you and replace you with your side kick clarke on the same day we sign up balmy, all good francois?"
seriously what the stuff do you expect fail and peggy sue to do. She is weak as pee and he is just dillusional.
PEGGY knows nothing about football therefore listens to gale.
Gale is an idiot.
What a team,bro!!
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The circle of life
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I think they should have looked out of the club for the position and their failure to do so does not inspire confidence.
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I think they should have looked out of the club for the position and their failure to do so does not inspire confidence.
RFC does not inspire confidence
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Woe is me
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"Look, we're happy to shuffle things around but at the end of the day, we wont be admitting we got anything wrong, as most of the blame will be defered."
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Has been on our payroll since 2007 so it's fair to say he is part of this recruiting mess we find ourselves in
Prior to that he was with the demons for 1 year.
You would think the idiots would have drawn a line in the sand and searched far and wide for the best scout but no not at comedyfc. All they did was demote a dud and replace him with another. It's Miller and Hackson all over again
Jackson is 61. He was not sacked, he was made a part time consultant so you could consider it a transition to retirement arrangement
Clarke (on LinkedIn) was a Recruiting Officer at Melbourne from 1997 - 2008.
He joined Richmond in 2009.
Harry I presume you were fishing but in case others are unaware, Luke Williams was the 2IC to Steve Wells at Geelong for 14 years.
He went to Carlton but resigned for "personal reasons" after less than a year, weeks before the 2013 draft.
He then fell into our arms. http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-12-16/tiger-talent-scout-coup
Like others I cannot understand why you would make a hurried change in recruiting just before the draft and as you announce a new head of football.
The changes (or rather non-changes) in the fitness department continue the method with Douglas out and Meehan and Inness internally promoted.
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Has been on our payroll since 2007 so it's fair to say he is part of this recruiting mess we find ourselves in
Prior to that he was with the demons for 1 year.
You would think the idiots would have drawn a line in the sand and searched far and wide for the best scout but no not at comedyfc. All they did was demote a dud and replace him with another. It's Miller and Hackson all over again
Correct. What process did we go through to find the best person? Did we consider the 2IC's from the best recruiting teams in the business like geelong hawthorn Adelaide or bulldogs? Why was this appointment made before the review was complete? Why was it made before Balme could have his input? For all the criticisms our recruiting dept has copped we sack the manager and appoint one of his staff. It would be like sacking Hardwick and appointing Lade or Mellor. Also Gale and Richardson made this appointment, the same people that brought you the Hardwick extension and the hampson houli and grigg extensions. Seems its a job for a mate and an easy appointment without having to do the hard work. Why is Blair kept on as the new blokes manager? The more you look into this appointment the more questions and concerns you have. The recruiting manager role is one of the most important roles as we are gonna rely on this bloke to put together our next premiership list but it seems we've taken a shortcut aporoach again.
You are hardly going to be able to talk to any other club's recruiting people at this time of the year with the trade and drafts on in the next 8 weeks. Blair has another year to run on his contract.
Overarching all this is the off field spending cap. Can't be paying out contracts to multiple people especially if you need to payout a coaches contract in the next 12 months.
with the greatest respect this is a load of bs. why the hell not? Clubs poach players and coaches all year round and this should be no exception.
Nothing stopping conversation but you are hardly going to prise a top line recruiter away from his existing club and into your club's system on the eve of the trade/draft period
Yes clubs poach players all year round but they don't announce it nor get the player into their club until after the season is over. Same will happen with the recruiters.
So we should have just left Jackson in charge?
And again you cannot just throw money at them as there is the spending cap to keep within.
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That's right.
Unless a physical amount of remuneration is mentioned, it's merely chit chat.
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I wonder if we'll yoyo like the dees did for 10 years
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Ours is more a walking the dog manoeuvre.
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IMO I would be approaching Gary Buckenara.
Heard him on SEN this morning, talks a lot of sense and is probably the mastermind behind setting up Hawthorns list management implementation and masterplan.
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"Sorry guys we are going to keep you for a year but by all means keep looking around"
Devil's advocate time
Under the coaches association agreement clubs had to tell assistants if they were being kept or if they could look at "other opportunities" by 1 August
Think about it
1 year -v- the possibility of a longer deal somewhere else... hmmm which would you chose?
:lol :lol
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IMO I would be approaching Gary Buckenara.
Heard him on SEN this morning, talks a lot of sense and is probably the mastermind behind setting up Hawthorns list management implementation and masterplan.
would take a lot to get him out of North Ballarat FC
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IMO I would be approaching Gary Buckenara.
Heard him on SEN this morning, talks a lot of sense and is probably the mastermind behind setting up Hawthorns list management implementation and masterplan.
would take a lot to get him out of North Ballarat FC
A gold nugget from Sovereign Hill?
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IMO I would be approaching Gary Buckenara.
Heard him on SEN this morning, talks a lot of sense and is probably the mastermind behind setting up Hawthorns list management implementation and masterplan.
would take a lot to get him out of North Ballarat FC
A gold nugget from Sovereign Hill?
I can donate an aqua nugget if need be
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I hope they are looking at Kobe Mutch and bid on him if we can snare a another pick inside 20. Love the way he moves around the ground and is the perfect player for the modern game. Another GWS academy zone player :banghead
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How is NSW producing so many gun juniors all of a sudden?
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The dusty effect
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How is NSW producing so many gun juniors all of a sudden?
NSW has produced gun footballers for many years. Primarily from Southern NSW ie Riverina. Hawkins, Bruest, Smith, Carey, Brownless
Only difference before was that the pathway was harder to get to an AFL club. Some went to boarding schools in Victoria.
Now with the GWS Academy they don't need to leave home.
On top of this more of the talented players are staying in the system longer and not choosing other sports. Again because of the extra money put into talent identification. Heeney is an example