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Title: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 17, 2017, 07:05:12 PM
Fire away

I know what I want to see but it wont happen
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Loui Tufga on June 17, 2017, 07:13:22 PM
Out - Menadu, Lloyd
In - Lennon, Chol
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Francois Jackson on June 17, 2017, 07:19:10 PM
Out Edwards, Butler, Castagna

In Mrakov, Chol and  Lennon.

Enough is enough we need to find a tall.





Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Ruanaidh on June 17, 2017, 07:34:51 PM
Fire away

I know what I want to see but it wont happen
Pray tell...
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Chuck17 on June 17, 2017, 07:37:23 PM
Out - Menadu, Lloyd
In - Lennon, Chol

X 2 if I see Menadue go in soft again I will spew
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: big tone on June 17, 2017, 07:40:33 PM
Out - Menadu, Lloyd
In - Lennon, Chol

X 2 if I see Menadue go in soft again I will spew
We could sort of excuse it early on but it's now starting to be the trend.
Although he has some pretty decent teaches down at the club.
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Ruanaidh on June 17, 2017, 07:45:55 PM
Out - Menadu, Lloyd
In - Lennon, Chol

X 2 if I see Menadue go in soft again I will spew
We could sort of excuse it early on but it's now starting to be the trend.
Although he has some pretty decent teaches down at the club.
and their timing is impeccable - they always wait until the game is on-the-line. :bow
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Slipper on June 17, 2017, 07:47:52 PM
Out - Menadu, Lloyd
In - Lennon, Chol

X 2 if I see Menadue go in soft again I will spew
We could sort of excuse it early on but it's now starting to be the trend.
Although he has some pretty decent teaches down at the club.
and their timing is impeccable - they always wait until the game is on-the-line. :bow

When the going gets tough.......
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: big tone on June 17, 2017, 07:48:07 PM
Outs- Rioli, Menadue, Lloyd
Ins- Stengle, Markov, Lennon

Astbury to play forward.
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Slipper on June 17, 2017, 07:54:40 PM
Stengle in for any one of 5 players. Lloyd, Edwards, Rioli, Butler or Castagna. Don't care who.

Lennon in for any of the four that Stengle doesn't replace. And, Lennon gets told he has the next 5 games guaranteed to give him some confidence to have a crack.
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Yeahright on June 17, 2017, 08:07:40 PM
Fire away

I know what I want to see but it wont happen

Don't be soft, just say it

For me?
Lloyd out - Lennon in: enough is enough with Lloyd and it's time to reward Lennons good form and he can play the same "tall" role
Rioli out - Stengle in: Rioli somewhat stiff as none of the others contributed but just give him a run in the twos. Stengle just gets a run because why not, added benefit that he's displayed pretty good form too

Menadue lucky for this week as he was showing improvement past couple of weeks so hopefully this was a blip not him returning to true form. Castagna and Butler also lucky but they've outperformed Rioli as of late and we still need that pressure up forward.
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 17, 2017, 08:11:16 PM

Don't be soft, just say it


Will once I am back home  ;D
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: MintOnLamb on June 17, 2017, 08:32:29 PM
Out rioli, move lloyd forward, in lennon, out ellis, in Miles
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 17, 2017, 09:06:13 PM
OK I'd like to see

OUT:
Lloyd,
Menadue  (won't tolerate blokes pulling out of contests multiple times during games),
Bellis  (see Menadue),
Houli (see BEllis & Menadue)
Castagna or Rioli (either one not both as bad as each other today)

INS:
Lennon
Stengle
Mrakov
Miles
Garthwaite

But what's likely to happen

INS: Lennon, Stengle

OUTS: Lloyd, Menadue
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Ruanaidh on June 17, 2017, 09:26:31 PM
OK I'd like to see

OUT:
Lloyd,
Menadue  (won't tolerate blokes pulling out of contests multiple times during games),
Bellis  (see Menadue),
Houli (see BEllis & Menadue)
Castagna or Rioli (either one not both as bad as each other today)

INS:
Lennon
Stengle
Mrakov
Miles
Garthwaite

But what's likely to happen

INS: Lennon, Stengle

OUTS: Lloyd, Menadue
Can't argue with any of that.
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: The Machine on June 17, 2017, 10:02:11 PM
In
Chol
Lennon
Markov

Out
Butler
Castagna
Lloyd

Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on June 17, 2017, 10:19:35 PM
We will lose the next three games
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Diocletian on June 17, 2017, 11:41:08 PM
No club makes us more nervous or more keenly senses our fear than Carlton....they thrive on the smell of Tiger blood.....
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Eat_em_Alive on June 18, 2017, 06:53:17 AM
OK I'd like to see

OUT:
Lloyd,
Menadue  (won't tolerate blokes pulling out of contests multiple times during games),
Bellis  (see Menadue),
Houli (see BEllis & Menadue)
Castagna or Rioli (either one not both as bad as each other today)

INS:
Lennon
Stengle
Mrakov
Miles
Garthwaite

But what's likely to happen

INS: Lennon, Stengle

OUTS: Lloyd, Menadue

Cannot argue with that
Ill take it a step further and say some players in your outs are the same that avoid scrutiny by match committee week in week out. Its a cancer/rot as far as I'm concerned and only until we cut it and not band aid it can we move forward and be confident that the team will go out and not shirk contests, not hear footsteps and every player be on the same page mentally.
They are the weakness, and it is time to go
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: The Machine on June 18, 2017, 08:36:09 AM
Townsend is playing solid and has changed his style to be more composed with ball in hand. Personally would not mine seeing him in the seniors before the end of year. One last look before final judgment.

Markov Astbury Grimes
Ellis Rance McIntosh
Grigg Cotchin Menadue
Rioli Lennon Edwards
Short Riewoldt Chol

Nankervis Martin Prestia

Bolton Caddy Lambert Townsend


Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 18, 2017, 09:11:25 AM
Was so disappointed with Menadue yesterday.

Counted 3 times when he pulled up to avoid contact... thought he turned the corner the last few weeks bur took a massive leap backwards yesterday.

Bellis, well it was always a case of when not if

I've defend Houli in the past but there's no way in all honesty I can defend what I saw yesterday

The one I left out was Grigg..has a few credits in the bank this season so he survives. But he was the epitome of the "Nowhere man" yesterday... was very ordinary
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: tony_montana on June 18, 2017, 09:14:31 AM
Was so disappointed with Menadue yesterday.

Counted 3 times when he pulled up to avoid contact... thought he turned the corner the last few weeks bur took a massive leap backwards yesterday.

Bellis, well it was always a case of when not if

I've defend Houli in the past but there's no way in all honesty I can defend what I saw yesterday

The one I left out was Grigg..has a few credits in the bank this season so he survives. But he was the epitome of the "Nowhere man" yesterday... was very ordinary

spot on - I was mortified by Menadue yesterday.

The others? meh Im used to it sadly
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: big tone on June 18, 2017, 06:08:58 PM
Was so disappointed with Menadue yesterday.

Counted 3 times when he pulled up to avoid contact... thought he turned the corner the last few weeks bur took a massive leap backwards yesterday.

Bellis, well it was always a case of when not if

I've defend Houli in the past but there's no way in all honesty I can defend what I saw yesterday

The one I left out was Grigg..has a few credits in the bank this season so he survives. But he was the epitome of the "Nowhere man" yesterday... was very ordinary

spot on - I was mortified by Menadue yesterday.

The others? meh Im used to it sadly
I've been pretty vocal on those 3 for years. Granted all 3 have been ok over the last month but as sure as night follows day, they will let you down at important times and in important games.
Nothing surer!
All 3 are Dimma's favourites so unless he goes, expect to keep seeing the same thing.
We will make the finals this year but take it to the bank those 3 will let us down.
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 18, 2017, 06:13:42 PM

We will make the finals this year but take it to the bank those 3 will let us down.

You think?

My take was win yesterday and we were a lock

Lose and my gut feeling was and now is we'll struggle to make it
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: big tone on June 18, 2017, 06:22:54 PM

We will make the finals this year but take it to the bank those 3 will let us down.

You think?

My take was win yesterday and we were a lock

Lose and my gut feeling was and now is we'll struggle to make it
Nar, I reckon we will still make it.
Is Vlastuin likely to come straight back in this week?
Excluding our top 4 I think he is the next most important to our side. And it's one less "Menadue"  type in our 22.
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 18, 2017, 06:33:43 PM

Nar, I reckon we will still make it.
Is Vlastuin likely to come straight back in this week?
Excluding our top 4 I think he is the next most important to our side. And it's one less "Menadue"  type in our 22.

Was told today he is definitely available to play this week.

Suppose it comes down to whether they bring him straight without a run in the VFL

Think we have to risk it.

Agree he is bloody important. He has one thing so many of our blokes don't and that's composure. He rarely panics
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: big tone on June 18, 2017, 08:12:16 PM

Nar, I reckon we will still make it.
Is Vlastuin likely to come straight back in this week?
Excluding our top 4 I think he is the next most important to our side. And it's one less "Menadue"  type in our 22.

Was told today he is definitely available to play this week.

Suppose it comes down to whether they bring him straight without a run in the VFL

Think we have to risk it.

Agree he is bloody important. He has one thing so many of our blokes don't and that's composure. He rarely panics
Dimma's not one to play senior players in the twos after injuries. So if he is right to go he plays against Carlton this week.  :pray
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: crackertiger on June 18, 2017, 09:35:28 PM
Out should be Butler before any player..
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Yeahright on June 18, 2017, 11:12:15 PM
Think Vlastuin needs to come back through the seconds. People have short memories, he has been horrid this year and has looked completely lost.
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on June 19, 2017, 07:04:02 AM
Think Vlastuin needs to come back through the seconds. People have short memories, he has been horrid this year and has looked completely lost.
Not when playing down back....
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Yeahright on June 19, 2017, 09:37:01 AM
Which was probably not even a full games worth all year
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Tigerman on June 19, 2017, 12:44:50 PM
Castagna. Hopeless. Averages about 6 efficient disposals a game. hardly made a tackle the last few weeks. Woeful kick, poo set shot for goal.
Gets to where the ball ain't.
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Ruanaidh on June 19, 2017, 02:30:49 PM
Castagna. Hopeless. Averages about 6 efficient disposals a game. hardly made a tackle the last few weeks. Woeful kick, poo set shot for goal.
Gets to where the ball ain't.
He is the one that should make way for Stengel. Lennon for Lloyd. Markov for Butler. Vlaustin for Menadue.
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: The Machine on June 19, 2017, 03:51:48 PM
Castagna. Hopeless. Averages about 6 efficient disposals a game. hardly made a tackle the last few weeks. Woeful kick, poo set shot for goal.
Gets to where the ball ain't.


Castagna does a lot of things right one being getting to the right spots. Unfortunately his kicking for goals from set shots is extremely poor and until this is rectified he should not be played in the seniors.
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: eliminator on June 19, 2017, 03:58:33 PM
Out Lloyd. He was poor against the Swans and gave two goals way because of mistakes he made. He also missed a shot at goal that he should have got. Out Menadue. In Vlas and Lennon. Grigg was very poor against the Swans. He deserves to be dropped but won't be.
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Fluffy Tiger on June 19, 2017, 04:34:27 PM
"Richmond defender Kamdyn McIntosh (hamstring tightness) and ruckman Toby Nankervis (corked calf) will be closely monitored this week after they each picked up niggles against Sydney."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-19/injury-wrap-hamstrings-claim-important-cats-cockatoo-selwood

This could make selection very interesting if Nank doesn't come up. Anybody know how hes tracking ? Anybody care to guess what the plan would be if he is not good to go? 


Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Chuck17 on June 19, 2017, 04:55:57 PM
"Richmond defender Kamdyn McIntosh (hamstring tightness) and ruckman Toby Nankervis (corked calf) will be closely monitored this week after they each picked up niggles against Sydney."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-19/injury-wrap-hamstrings-claim-important-cats-cockatoo-selwood

This could make selection very interesting if Nank doesn't come up. Anybody know how hes tracking ? Anybody care to guess what the plan would be if he is not good to go?

Grigg the full time ruckman  :clapping
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: one-eyed on June 19, 2017, 08:12:01 PM
The Barometer - Round 14

Herald-Sun
19 June 2017


RICHMOND

ON THE BLOCK: No injuries out of the clash with Sydney but a few players struggled to have an impact, namely small forward pair Dan Butler (four disposals) and Daniel Rioli (eight disposals). Rioli did lay seven tackles while Butler had 23 pressure acts but the Tigers need goals out of them.

ON THE CUSP:
Midfielder Anthony Miles continues to display solid VFL, gathering 28 disposals and eight marks against Geelong on Saturday. Fellow onballer Jacob Townsend also impressed with 22 disposals and six tackles while Steven Morris had 20 disposals, nine marks and booted four goals as a small forward. Ben Lennon kicked 2.5. Nick Vlastuin is a chance to return.

CHRIS CAVANAGH’S FORECAST:
A disappointing result for Richmond against Sydney on Saturday, giving up a 36-point lead to lose by nine points. The Tigers’ small and mobile forward line looked electric early in the match but the side lacked forward marking targets as the game wore on and managed just three second-half goals. Archrival Carlton awaits on Sunday for the second time this season. Richmond recorded a 43-point win when the sides met in Round 1 but the Blues have been building nicely, this a huge challenge for a Tigers side that needs wins to hold on to its top-eight spot.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-injury-list-whos-hot-and-whos-hurt-after-round/news-story/b5f2eb48dca7752e115c926a632c7cd0
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: one-eyed on June 20, 2017, 02:52:15 PM
In the Mix - Round 14

Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
20 June 2017


RICHMOND

Nick Vlastuin was close to returning from a shoulder injury in round 13 and appears very likely to play at some level this week after missing six weeks. He will need to pass a fitness test this week.

Midfielder Anthony Miles keeps finding the ball at VFL level and has had 35, 34 and 32 possessions in his past three matches.

It is not the midfield that is of most concern, however, with the small forwards who have served the club so well this season going quiet offensively against Sydney. If change is needed then Ben Lennon (16 goals from his past six VFL games) is the best option. Steve Morris also booted four goals at the weekend as a small forward.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-20/in-the-mix-whos-a-chance-for-round-13-selection
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: RedanTiger on June 20, 2017, 04:14:55 PM
Markov (HBF) replaces Ellis (Wing) replaces Rioli
Lennon replaces Lloyd
Miles replaces Butler
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: pmac21 on June 20, 2017, 04:22:27 PM
Out:  Lloyd, Castagna, Butler, Short
In Lennon, Soldo, Batchelor, Miles

Play Astbury forward Batchelor down back. 

Carlton dont have much of a forward line
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Diocletian on June 20, 2017, 04:32:21 PM
Lennon yes, Miles maybe but Soldo is injured and Batchelor will likely be delisted at year's end.......plus you've just got rid of three quick players players and replaced them with slugs......yeah that'll work....
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: sdc01 on June 20, 2017, 05:29:52 PM
out...lloyd (never to be seen again) menadue butler

in.... lennon stengle miles
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: MintOnLamb on June 20, 2017, 05:40:38 PM
Ok you genuises, can anyone tell me why we kick high marking balls instead of low shooting stab passes to our short stocked forward line?
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Diocletian on June 20, 2017, 06:05:43 PM
I like how so many apparently think the key to beating Carlton is to make the side slower....
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Tigeritis™©® on June 20, 2017, 08:09:55 PM
I think we will lose to the scum no matter who does or doesn't come into the team. I'm predicting 3 more losses. 
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on June 20, 2017, 09:23:55 PM
Maric is in the mix according to Hardwick..... :whistle

Also Stengle is a possibility to debut.
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 20, 2017, 09:59:58 PM
Maric is in the mix according to Hardwick..... :whistle

Also Stengle is a possibility to debut.

I'd plonk Maric in the goal square, with little blokes at his feet and the odd chop out in the ruck
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Yeahright on June 21, 2017, 09:46:30 AM
Wouldn't be worse than Griff and Elton as you know he'll compete. Might get lucky against some young defenders and out body them but he's not the answer against a decent side
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: pmac21 on June 21, 2017, 11:25:28 AM
Yep, I would play the big russian....
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: 1965 on June 21, 2017, 01:08:07 PM
From the VFL report:

Ivan Maric Eight disposals, 30 hitouts, three clearances, two tackles. Our warrior in the ruck. Provided a cool head, and stuck up for the boys when it got testing.

 http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-06-20/the-vfl-report-round-9#sthash.DN5cxvYO.dpuf
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: the claw on June 21, 2017, 05:04:52 PM
Ins Markov Maric, Garthwaite, Miles.
Outs plethora of short runts who do little  and mentally weak pricks.
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: YellowandBlackBlood on June 21, 2017, 05:24:43 PM
Ins Markov Maric, Garthwaite, Miles.
Outs plethora of short runts who do little  and mentally weak pricks.
Won't happen. The little guys up front are 20 year olds or younger. They have hardly any preseasons under their belts and find it hard to run out games. Their GPS data is through the roof too so they run themselves ragged and need a tall to take a few marks and give them a break.
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: WilliamPowell on June 21, 2017, 09:21:37 PM
Ins Markov Maric, Garthwaite, Miles.
Outs plethora of short runts who do little  and mentally weak pricks.
Won't happen. The little guys up front are 20 year olds or younger. They have hardly any preseasons under their belts and find it hard to run out games. Their GPS data is through the roof too so they run themselves ragged and need a tall to take a few marks and give them a break.

Yep agree, was actually staggered when I saw those numbers. Ditto with the inside 50 turnover figures, knew wed improved but didn't realise how much
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: Chuck17 on June 21, 2017, 10:13:54 PM
Ins Markov Maric, Garthwaite, Miles.
Outs plethora of short runts who do little  and mentally weak pricks.
Won't happen. The little guys up front are 20 year olds or younger. They have hardly any preseasons under their belts and find it hard to run out games. Their GPS data is through the roof too so they run themselves ragged and need a tall to take a few marks and give them a break.

Yep agree, was actually staggered when I saw those numbers. Ditto with the inside 50 turnover figures, knew wed improved but didn't realise how much

I think you two are forgetting the importance of structure
Title: Re: Changes for Next Week --v- Carlton
Post by: one-eyed on June 21, 2017, 10:57:51 PM
Hardwick listed Ben Lennon, Oleg Markov, Ivan Maric and Anthony Miles as the players in the selection mix for the game against the Blues.

Miles (32 disposals) continues to play consistent football in the VFL and will be under strong consideration, according to Hardwick.

"There'll probably be a couple of changes," Hardwick said.

"We've got some guys not playing to their highest level in the AFL at the moment, so we'll look at that more closely on Friday."

------------------------------------------------

Dustin Martin has been hampered by a lower back issue and Hardwick said the club would continue to manage the second-favourite for the Brownlow accordingly.

"I don't think many players are 100 per cent fit at the moment," Hardwick said.

"Dustin went in to the game, like a lot of other players, a little bit sore, but he played OK without playing to the usual standard we expect.

"But he'll be better this week and he's had a good week on the track thus far. He'll train today and hopefully we'll get a better result for both him and the team this week."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-21/sore-dusty-in-better-shape-for-blues-clash