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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Dougeytherichmondfan on July 31, 2017, 03:34:31 PM
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Alright amateur list managers - what's the feeling going into the EoS changes going forward.
I can only really think of 2 obvious delistings at the end of this year in Bachelor and Hunt, any others likely to get the chop?
Do we have to ask ourselves whether Miles stays, considering Graham is a younger version that appears to be everything we'd hoped for?
Is Corey Ellis on his last chance, same with Conca?
I'd assume we'll keep 3 spots available for draft picks so 3 players will need to be chopped at the very least, and I can't think of any likely retirements.
Edit: Forgot about Maric (duh!). Hampson contracted next year. Can we afford to draft a young developing ruck or do we need someone who can slide in and play senior games when req?
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I can only really think of 2 obvious delistings at the end of this year in Bachelor and Hunt, any others likely to get the chop?
That is not happening
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Batchelor stays on every day of the week.
Of impeccable character is the young man.
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Are you sure Hampson is contracted? He originally had three years and this is the fourth. I checked. Did we sign him for two more at some stage
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Given West Coast is going to go through a list cull would they want Conca?
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Yes Batchelor will stay at Richmond...as VFL captain.... :shh
Conca -unbelievably- is contracted until the end of 2018.
Think CEllis is fairly safe for now, though I wouldn't be against trading him.(won't happen)
Lennon & Townsend's cards looked to be marked so they're probably both gone.
Morris you'd think would be finished but I wouldn't put it past the club ti give him one more because of his injuries and because we still prefer sentiment to professionalism and success.(see Drummond's re-signing)
Maric retired.
Broad's probably saved himself this last three weeks.
Hamspud will probably suck up every bit of contract and stay.
If Griffiths gets back befure the end of the year unscathed he'll likely stay and if he cracks the seniors again, he definitely will.
Hunt -gone
Elton - see Hunt....
Menadue strongly rumoured to be seeking a trade. Miles strongly rumoured to be up for trade.
Edwards & BEllis should bth be traded but won't be.
Reckon we'll only take the minimum three in thedraft..., the rookie list is being scrapped next year in favour of an expanded primary list so I guess our rookies will either be automatically upgraded or have to be delisted? Wonder if the upgrades will count as draft picks this year?
So by my calculations there ahould be a minimum of 7 list changes and at least 3 will be required to accomodate draft picks.
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Is Corey Ellis on his last chance,
Gee wiz that is one quick write off. What makes you want to delist a 20 year old, 1st round draft pick who has been constantly injured so quickly over some older hacks or even some of the others drafted in his year?
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I can only really think of 2 obvious delistings at the end of this year in Bachelor and Hunt, any others likely to get the chop?
That is not happening
The only OER sponsored player? You're dreaming
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No brainers
Morris
Batchelor
Maric
Hampson
Hunt
Lloyd
Griffiths
Elton
Townsend
The only reason Elton and Griffiths may survive is the lack of talls on the list. Its not a good reason to hang onto such underperformers though.Could easily add others to this list
Others who get regular games but imo would not be too hard to find better players than and who are spineless squibs
B Ellis
Edwards
Grigg
Houli
Some juniors who have to be under question
Drummond
Lennon
C Ellis
Castagna people may raise an eyebrow but with so many small fwds this bloke is expendable mainly because of his skills or lack there of.
There are others as well but none of it will happen bare minimum cull id say because everything they have done and said suggests they are happy with the list in the main.
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Menadue strongly rumoured to be seeking a trade.
I haven't heard this one. Any idea why?
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No brainers
Morris
Batchelor
Maric
Hampson
Hunt
Lloyd
Griffiths
Elton
Townsend
The only reason Elton and Griffiths may survive is the lack of talls on the list. Its not a good reason to hang onto such underperformers though.Could easily add others to this list
Others who get regular games but imo would not be too hard to find better players than and who are spineless squibs
B Ellis
Edwards
Grigg
Houli
Some juniors who have to be under question
Drummond
Lennon
C Ellis
Castagna people may raise an eyebrow but with so many small fwds this bloke is expendable mainly because of his skills or lack there of.
There are others as well but none of it will happen bare minimum cull id say because everything they have done and said suggests they are happy with the list in the main.
Batch stays. Seriously how many ways do we have to put it?
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Maric (ret)
Morris
Hunt
Hampson
Drummond
Elton
on last legs
Batchelor
Townsend
Lennon(trade if we can)
In a shallow draft I wouldn't cut more than that - Id also upgrade Stengle and Moore to the senior list
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Given West Coast is going to go through a list cull would they want Conca?
I wouldn't think so, they feel they lack pace in the midfield.
I reckon they might have a go at Menadue if he is available.
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Given West Coast is going to go through a list cull would they want Conca?
I wouldn't think so, they feel they lack pace in the midfield.
I reckon they might have a go at Menadue if he is available.
Don't think we will be letting Menadue go.
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Given West Coast is going to go through a list cull would they want Conca?
I wouldn't think so, they feel they lack pace in the midfield.
I reckon they might have a go at Menadue if he is available.
Don't think we will be letting Menadue go.
I don't either, but if he has requested a trade............
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Are you sure Hampson is contracted? He originally had three years and this is the fourth. I checked. Did we sign him for two more at some stage
Yep. Hampson is contracted until 2018.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-08-10/lloyd-hampson-resign-with-the-tigers
Here's the contractual status of our whole list to the best of our knowledge [see link below for links to sources]:
Contracts List:
2017: Batchelor, Broad, Butler, B.Ellis, Elton, Hunt, Lambert, Lennon, Maric, Martin, Miles, Morris, Townsend
2018: Bolton, Conca, Drummond, C.Ellis, Garthwaite, Graham, Griffiths, Grigg, Grimes, Hampson, Houli, Lloyd, Markov, Menadue, Short
2019: Astbury, Edwards, McIntosh, Nankervis, Rance, Riewoldt, Rioli, Vlastuin
2020: Caddy, Cotchin
2021: Prestia
Rookies:
Jason Castagna - third year.
Mabior Chol - second year.
Callum Moore - second year.
Ivan Soldo - third year (international/non-registered)
Tyson Stengle - first year.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=22895.msg515679#msg515679
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Are you sure Hampson is contracted? He originally had three years and this is the fourth. I checked. Did we sign him for two more at some stage
Yep. Hampson is contracted until 2018.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-08-10/lloyd-hampson-resign-with-the-tigers
Here's the contractual status of our whole list to the best of our knowledge [see link below for links to sources]:
Contracts List:
2017: Batchelor, Broad, Butler, Drummond, B.Ellis, Elton, Hunt, Lambert, Lennon, Maric, Martin, Miles, Morris, Townsend
2018: Bolton, Caddy, Conca, C.Ellis, Garthwaite, Graham, Griffiths, Grigg, Grimes, Hampson, Houli, Lloyd, Markov, Menadue, Short
2019: Astbury, Edwards, McIntosh, Nankervis, Rance, Riewoldt, Rioli, Vlastuin
2020: Cotchin
2021: Prestia
Rookies:
Jason Castagna - third year.
Mabior Chol - second year.
Callum Moore - second year.
Ivan Soldo - third year (international/non-registered)
Tyson Stengle - first year.
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Hi Mr OE, the above is incorrect in relation to Caddy, he signed a 4 year deal in Oct 16 so he is contracted till 2020 along with Cotch
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Can anyone confirm if the rookie list is staying or being scrapped?
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Are you sure Hampson is contracted? He originally had three years and this is the fourth. I checked. Did we sign him for two more at some stage
Yep. Hampson is contracted until 2018.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-08-10/lloyd-hampson-resign-with-the-tigers
Here's the contractual status of our whole list to the best of our knowledge [see link below for links to sources]:
Contracts List:
2017: Batchelor, Broad, Butler, Drummond, B.Ellis, Elton, Hunt, Lambert, Lennon, Maric, Martin, Miles, Morris, Townsend
2018: Bolton, Caddy, Conca, C.Ellis, Garthwaite, Graham, Griffiths, Grigg, Grimes, Hampson, Houli, Lloyd, Markov, Menadue, Short
2019: Astbury, Edwards, McIntosh, Nankervis, Rance, Riewoldt, Rioli, Vlastuin
2020: Cotchin
2021: Prestia
Rookies:
Jason Castagna - third year.
Mabior Chol - second year.
Callum Moore - second year.
Ivan Soldo - third year (international/non-registered)
Tyson Stengle - first year.
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Hi Mr OE, the above is incorrect in relation to Caddy, he signed a 4 year deal in Oct 16 so he is contracted till 2020 along with Cotch
I prefer OE's version thanks
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Are you sure Hampson is contracted? He originally had three years and this is the fourth. I checked. Did we sign him for two more at some stage
Yep. Hampson is contracted until 2018.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-08-10/lloyd-hampson-resign-with-the-tigers
Here's the contractual status of our whole list to the best of our knowledge [see link below for links to sources]:
Contracts List:
2017: Batchelor, Broad, Butler, Drummond, B.Ellis, Elton, Hunt, Lambert, Lennon, Maric, Martin, Miles, Morris, Townsend
2018: Bolton, Caddy, Conca, C.Ellis, Garthwaite, Graham, Griffiths, Grigg, Grimes, Hampson, Houli, Lloyd, Markov, Menadue, Short
2019: Astbury, Edwards, McIntosh, Nankervis, Rance, Riewoldt, Rioli, Vlastuin
2020: Cotchin
2021: Prestia
Rookies:
Jason Castagna - third year.
Mabior Chol - second year.
Callum Moore - second year.
Ivan Soldo - third year (international/non-registered)
Tyson Stengle - first year.
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Thanks for the information (I was too lazy to dig up) OE!
Of those contracted until the end of this year I'd say Batchelor, Hunt, Maric, Morris are gawn.
50/50s are Drummon and Townsend and perhaps Broad.
BEllis & Martin certainties to be offered contracts and likely top 10 money earners
which leaves Butlet and Lambert, both who would surely be there next year.
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Didn't Drummond sign a contract recently for next year?
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That's 29 or 27 if Drummond and caddy are sign for longer that are on one or two year contracts. Is it normal to have most of your list on such short terms? To me that would allow you to drop players but also to have players leave. What your saying is those %60 of your list are expendable to an extent.
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With two first round picks and abstaining to a large degree from nds over the last two seasons i would hope like hell we use at the bare minimum 4 nd picks.Id really like us to trade into the draft if possible but it wont happen.
The state of kpds kpfs and the lack of mids, plus if Rookies take up spots then we have to be looking at turning over 9 or 10 players. Silly thing is this is not hard to do.We could cut/trade 10 and not lose a thing .
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Hi Mr OE, the above is incorrect in relation to Caddy, he signed a 4 year deal in Oct 16 so he is contracted till 2020 along with Cotch
Cheers for that, taz :cheers. I've corrected the contracts list in my above post.
Didn't Drummond sign a contract recently for next year?
This Herald-Sun article prior to the Dreamtime game mentioned we were about to sign Drummond to a one-year deal but I don't recall any further confirmation (?).
Meanwhile, Richmond is set to sign Kamdyn McIntosh to a new two-year deal and Nathan Drummond to a new one-year deal. Rioli, 20, is also in contract negotiations and expected to recommit.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/daniel-rioli-to-take-contingent-of-richmond-players-and-coaches-to-his-home-on-tiwi-islands/news-story/5357c7fa03f453dc6c23b7916a731dfb
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From the Herald-Sun:
The Tigers face a fight to keep onballer Anthony Miles, with the uncontracted midfielder vulnerable to a poaching raid from rival clubs.
The hard nut, who has finished sixth and fourth in the Tigers’ past two best and fairest counts, will play only his fifth game of the season against Hawthorn on Sunday at the MCG.
Miles, 25, will likely wait until after the end of the season to make a decision on his future.
Classy utility Ben Lennon, 22, is again expected to explore his trade options as he fights to extend his football career.
The No.12 draft pick has been leapfrogged by Richmond’s vaunted batch of speedy small forwards, playing only two games this season.
The Tigers move to a more high-pressure game in the forward half has also hurt Lennon, who is out of contract this year and certain to look for a new home.
While the 22-year-old continues to kick regular bags of goals in the VFL, he has been named in the best in the Tigers’ VFL team only once in 11 games this season.
Carlton tried to secure Lennon with a three year deal in 2015 but Lennon re-signed at Richmond and has failed to cement a regular spot.
He was yesterday withdrawn from Richmond’s 25-man squad to take on the Hawks.
Tough defender Steve Morris, former Cat Taylor Hunt and key position player Todd Elton are also all out of contract. Morris is keen to win a contract extension despite playing only one game so far this season.
Source: Herald-Sun website (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/brandon-ellis-to-stay-at-richmond-with-new-twoyear-deal-soon-to-be-finalised/news-story/6b1b43f43f348b960de4840c620d0995)
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Does Lennon stay on our list if he cannot find a new home?
I assume that he gets delisted at season's end, given the fact he can't crack a game in Jack's absence.
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Has any team got their first rounders so wrong more than us?
But let's keep good mate "Betamax" Jackson on the payroll for giving us such good service.
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Has any team got their first rounders so wrong more than us?
But let's keep good mate "Betamax" Jackson on the payroll for giving us such good service.
Yep do some research you will find plenty
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Has any team got their first rounders so wrong more than us?
But let's keep good mate "Betamax" Jackson on the payroll for giving us such good service.
Yep do some research you will find plenty
Start with Melbourne and go from there ;D
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Castagna rumours are interesting. On paper stringer would be an upgrade... I am unsure if you can keep playing caddy and Townsend long term it may get found out.
It would be bold to trade lambert or bellis for a strong offer. They currently hold lots of value. Would we be offered a first rounder?
Houli & grigg should be offered too... :shh. Houli has been good but you have to be brave to improve the list. If he wins a flag however might as well keep him 8)
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From the Herald-Sun website's live trade talk today:
duckky:
What chance of Sam Lloyd of Richmond being a trade target given he cannot get a look in at the seniors?
Jon Ralph:
Yeah, I would think he and Anthony Miles would be going somewhere. Put it this way - he isn't getting a game at the Tigers. And would he get a slot at the worst club out there? So that's on ladder Carlton, Brisbane and Gold Coast. Gold Coast would slot him in as a handy lead-up to keep defenders honest on Tom Lynch. So if he was delisted or wanted out, I am sure there would be another home for him.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmonds-successful-offseason-is-driving-its-onfield-success-and-premiership-hopes/news-story/ea5be88375c475c5458a92e8f73bfbe1
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From the Herald-Sun website's live trade talk today:
duckky:
What chance of Sam Lloyd of Richmond being a trade target given he cannot get a look in at the seniors?
Jon Ralph:
Yeah, I would think he and Anthony Miles would be going somewhere. Put it this way - he isn't getting a game at the Tigers. And would he get a slot at the worst club out there? So that's on ladder Carlton, Brisbane and Gold Coast. Gold Coast would slot him in as a handy lead-up to keep defenders honest on Tom Lynch. So if he was delisted or wanted out, I am sure there would be another home for him.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmonds-successful-offseason-is-driving-its-onfield-success-and-premiership-hopes/news-story/ea5be88375c475c5458a92e8f73bfbe1
2nd rounder for each please. Thanks for coming.
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need to keep Miles if possible we WILL get injuries to mids next year
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need to keep Miles if possible we WILL get injuries to mids next year
Don't think it's possible, he has currency, couldnt blame if wants to leave for more opportunities
He's out of contract isn't he? That's the other thing ...
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need to keep Miles if possible we WILL get injuries to mids next year
Don't think it's possible, he has currency, couldnt blame if wants to leave for more opportunities
He's out of contract isn't he? That's the other thing ...
Pick in the second round would do it for me :thumbsup
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It would be a mistake to offload too many depth players. Happy for1-2 to go but that's all. What's wrong with sticking with us and working harder to push your way in?
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The other one that is definitely gone from the list is Yarran.
So that means
Yarran
Maric
Elton
Hunt
Morris
May be tradable
Batchelor
Lennon
Miles
Lennon
Of the rookies, if what was said is true then, Moore and Stengle would go up onto the senior list, leaving Chol as a possible release.
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I think Chol will be retained as a rookie. Has done enough to suggest that the project still has potential.
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I think Chol will be retained as a rookie. Has done enough to suggest that the project still has potential.
Only just. Hes stagnated a lot IMO. Still think he has the potential but if its another year like this one I think its time to move on.
Took some good grabs on Saturday though :thumbsup
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Of the rookies, if what was said is true then, Moore and Stengle would go up onto the senior list, leaving Chol as a possible release.
Castagna is a promoted rookie this season and based on his season he gets a permanent spot on the senior list
Soldo. Moore and Stengle ro remain rookies and most probably Choi as well.
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Of the rookies, if what was said is true then, Moore and Stengle would go up onto the senior list, leaving Chol as a possible release.
Castagna is a promoted rookie this season and based on his season he gets a permanent spot on the senior list
Soldo. Moore and Stengle ro remain rookies and most probably Choi as well.
Soldo has already had 3 years on Rookie list
Chol will get another year on Rookie list
Callum Moore to be upgraded
Georgie to be traded
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I'm only talking about Moore and Stengle being upgraded and Chol being delisted due to the statement made earlier that the rookie list will be removed and the list (senior) expanded.
As far as Chol is concerned, I just think watching him over the last couple of weeks in the VFL that while he has the talent to be a very good tall defender, there is a worrying inconsistency of effort. At times he seems to be coasting and satisfied with just being on a list as a professional footballer.
I've listed who I think could be delisted or traded and that allows us plenty of room without making drastic decisions. We have between 5 and 9 fairly obvious changes.
Musing on this over the last couple of days there are some points worth thinking about.
1) We have a shortage of key position players with only Rance and Astbury in defence and Riewoldt and Griffith (possibly) forward.
If we can get a Schache-type in trade this will help. A tall forward who has a couple of years of development under his belt. Himmelburg would have a been a prime candidate but injuries to Cameron and Mumford have shown him he may have a future at the Giants. Without those injuries he may well have not played in the finals. The key here is to not pay too much. I've posted already that a trade of Miles for Schache can be done with the proviso that we should be paid a bit more for our current player over the potential of theirs.
We can draft to add to our key defenders. There is not the same urgency here as there is in the forwards. I note there is talk of Balta as a forward. I would have thought he is a perfect fit for us as a developing key back.
2) We have a shortage of rucks with only Nankervis, a doubtful Hampson, a developing Soldo and a dodgy Griffith.
We can draft a young ruck or trade for one. It is up to the list management committee which way to go here. I would like to see us draft Hayes as the young ruck/forward but that may be tricky given our picks and depends on trade options.
3) We seem to be okay for current and future options for the midfield.
It is interesting that there seems to be a set-up in our midfield to play a tall and a short wingman on opposite sides. I'm not sure if that's planned but it seems to be a given. We have Grigg, McIntosh and Menadue on one side and on the other we have B Ellis, Rioli or Graham.
If we continue to do this, and I've got no problem with it, perhaps Naish can be the next in line to take over from Graham when he moves into pure midfield as I expect. As with the previous we have a problem getting Naish with our current draft picks but I can understand the emotional attachment to Naish and he does fit with the apparent model of short and tall.
4) The wheel turns quickly on game plans.
While our much-discussed one key, small forward line is working wonderfully and hopefully for another couple of weeks there is a big chance that over the off-season this will be picked apart and countered by the opposition next year. That's okay. It's what happens but we must try to stay ahead.
What hasn't been discussed as much is the use of Caddy and Townsend as defensive forwards. They have taken over the roles of second and third tall forwards simply by halving the aerial contests and using their strength and agility to beat their opponents on the ground with the help of the harrying smalls like Rioli, Butler and Castagna. This is also added to by the use of Martin and Cotchin resting forward - a key aspect pointed out by Hardwick on the Talking Footy interview.
The thing is that we have a chance to stay ahead with a few tweaks.
In Moore we have a classic third tall with some extra skills. He is very, very quick and can cover a lot of ground becoming an important link player. Riewoldt is currently the perfect model for what we want from Moore. Usually the link player is the backman coming forward like Houli or Shaw. If Moore can develop it changes this whole structure. The backs don't have as much demand to rebound and can maintain their structure at all times. A player like Moore coming down the ground as the link player also has the benefit of opening up space in the forward line. I think this is a style that Clarkson has been trying at Hawthorn over years but he hasn't really had the players. Gunston would be the closest he has come but now he's the classic rebounding half back.
What I want:
Schache as a swap for Miles with an upgrade of picks.
Balta as a key defender with a first rounder.
Hayes as a ruck/forward if we're really lucky with a first rounder. Or a young ruck from elsewhere in a low cost trade like Nankervis.
Naish with a mash-up of points from Miles and any other trades we can rig together. It's not essential but it would be nice to get a Richmond kid. Maybe it's even worthwhile to go into deficit for next years picks. I don't like the idea but, after all, this year could fix most of the holes on our list for years to come.
Of course that rosy optimism depends on the recruiters getting each and every pick perfect and no potholes along the way.
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Soldo has already had 3 years on Rookie list
Chol will get another year on Rookie list
Callum Moore to be upgraded
Georgie to be traded
Didnt think there were restirction on the length you could keep rookies these days especailly the category Soldo comes under.
Personally I wouldnt be upgrading Moore, still have reservations. Would much rather see what's out there draft wise first
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Of the rookies, if what was said is true then, Moore and Stengle would go up onto the senior list, leaving Chol as a possible release.
Castagna is a promoted rookie this season and based on his season he gets a permanent spot on the senior list
Soldo. Moore and Stengle ro remain rookies and most probably Choi as well.
Soldo has already had 3 years on Rookie list
Chol will get another year on Rookie list
Callum Moore to be upgraded
Georgie to be traded
We've had little maric for 3 years? :o
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I heard this years draft is as deep as a small puddle.
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I'm not sure chol needs to be delisted
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I've heard Chol is nowhere near it, and from the handful of quarters I've seen of the magoos before AFL games I would say there's not much to excite me.
Doesn't look like he knows what he's doing/where to run, and lacks effort. Very athletic of course but otherwise not much else to interest me.
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I've heard Chol is nowhere near it, and from the handful of quarters I've seen of the magoos before AFL games I would say there's not much to excite me.
Doesn't look like he knows what he's doing/where to run, and lacks effort. Very athletic of course but otherwise not much else to interest me.
Thats the thing that concerns me about him. Its the stuff you cant really teach that hes very deficient in.
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I'm not sure chol needs to be delisted
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Chol is good
We rest our case
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I've heard Chol is nowhere near it, and from the handful of quarters I've seen of the magoos before AFL games I would say there's not much to excite me.
Doesn't look like he knows what he's doing/where to run, and lacks effort. Very athletic of course but otherwise not much else to interest me.
He is a long way from it
One player who can't seem to step up
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I'm not sure chol needs to be delisted
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Chol is good
We rest our case
Geez your attempt at humour is worse than mine, give it up for stuffs sake and go back to being the cranky old demented fan
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I've heard Chol is nowhere near it, and from the handful of quarters I've seen of the magoos before AFL games I would say there's not much to excite me.
Doesn't look like he knows what he's doing/where to run, and lacks effort. Very athletic of course but otherwise not much else to interest me.
Thats the thing that concerns me about him. Its the stuff you cant really teach that hes very deficient in.
He will get better at it the more games he plays.
Chol has taken like 10 huge marks in defence the last 3 weeks. Had a good game in the forward line yesterday. Nice marks. Goals. Assists. Lots of key contributions too
With our lack of rucks and tall fwds/backs it be pretty dumb to remove him from the list.
I'm not sure chol needs to be delisted
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Chol is good
We rest our case
It's obvious to 90%+ of humanity rioli is a very good footballer. If you cannot see that it's tough titties.
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FFS let him play at least 2 senior games before he is wiped of the face of the Tiger planet.
Looks to have talent (stuff me I hope he has) and we won't fully know until he plays a bit more.
Just like Townsend, first five years, kicked 4 goals and everybody seemed to go off him pretty quick (including me), then this year kicks 13 (so far).
I see the talent, just needs more senior match toughening up and learning, well that's just my opinion anyway, good luck Chol :thumbsup .
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I've heard Chol is nowhere near it, and from the handful of quarters I've seen of the magoos before AFL games I would say there's not much to excite me.
Doesn't look like he knows what he's doing/where to run, and lacks effort. Very athletic of course but otherwise not much else to interest me.
Thats the thing that concerns me about him. Its the stuff you cant really teach that hes very deficient in.
He will get better at it the more games he plays.
Chol has taken like 10 huge marks in defence the last 3 weeks. Had a good game in the forward line yesterday. Nice marks. Goals. Assists. Lots of key contributions too
With our lack of rucks and tall fwds/backs it be pretty dumb to remove him from the list.
I'm not sure chol needs to be delisted
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Chol is good
We rest our case
It's obvious to 90%+ of humanity rioli is a very good footballer. If you cannot see that it's tough titties.
Rioli has done truck all yet to be classed a good footballer. He has talent but if you are honest with yourself he is just a kid that puts on good pressure. He isn't even a very good tackler yet.
He will be given every opportunity to become a good footballer but so was Andy Krakouer.
It's all good though we are in a prelim final. Let's hope he gets a kick this week. :cheers
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Chol is #1 for contested marks in the VFL this season.
For a guy who can't play that's not a bad stat to have under your belt :whistle
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I've heard Chol is nowhere near it, and from the handful of quarters I've seen of the magoos before AFL games I would say there's not much to excite me.
Doesn't look like he knows what he's doing/where to run, and lacks effort. Very athletic of course but otherwise not much else to interest me.
Thats the thing that concerns me about him. Its the stuff you cant really teach that hes very deficient in.
He will get better at it the more games he plays.
Chol has taken like 10 huge marks in defence the last 3 weeks. Had a good game in the forward line yesterday. Nice marks. Goals. Assists. Lots of key contributions too
With our lack of rucks and tall fwds/backs it be pretty dumb to remove him from the list.
I'm not sure chol needs to be delisted
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Chol is good
We rest our case
It's obvious to 90%+ of humanity rioli is a very good footballer. If you cannot see that it's tough titties.
Rioli has done truck all yet to be classed a good footballer. He has talent but if you are honest with yourself he is just a kid that puts on good pressure. He isn't even a very good tackler yet.
He will be given every opportunity to become a good footballer but so was Andy Krakouer.
It's all good though we are in a prelim final. Let's hope he gets a kick this week. :cheers
He did enough to be selected as in the under 22 side of the year which was acknowledged by everyone but you
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Chol is #1 for contested marks in the VFL this season.
For a guy who can't play that's not a bad stat to have under your belt :whistle
People here arn't questioning his ability as much as they are his deficiencies vs his strengths. He goes missing a lot.
Vickery was #2 in the comp behind Cloke at the peak of his powers in 2012 for contested marks (not 100% sure on that but remember it being brandied around on SEN).
Chol played v well yesterday. :thumbsup
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I've heard Chol is nowhere near it, and from the handful of quarters I've seen of the magoos before AFL games I would say there's not much to excite me.
Doesn't look like he knows what he's doing/where to run, and lacks effort. Very athletic of course but otherwise not much else to interest me.
Thats the thing that concerns me about him. Its the stuff you cant really teach that hes very deficient in.
He will get better at it the more games he plays.
Chol has taken like 10 huge marks in defence the last 3 weeks. Had a good game in the forward line yesterday. Nice marks. Goals. Assists. Lots of key contributions too
With our lack of rucks and tall fwds/backs it be pretty dumb to remove him from the list.
I'm not sure chol needs to be delisted
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Chol is good
We rest our case
It's obvious to 90%+ of humanity rioli is a very good footballer. If you cannot see that it's tough titties.
Rioli has done truck all yet to be classed a good footballer. He has talent but if you are honest with yourself he is just a kid that puts on good pressure. He isn't even a very good tackler yet.
He will be given every opportunity to become a good footballer but so was Andy Krakouer.
It's all good though we are in a prelim final. Let's hope he gets a kick this week. :cheers
He did enough to be selected as in the under 22 side of the year which was acknowledged by everyone but you
That side was voted on by "the fans"
Give me a spell, if you are voting on those sort of things you need to get a life.
How many times did you vote Chuck17??
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I've heard Chol is nowhere near it, and from the handful of quarters I've seen of the magoos before AFL games I would say there's not much to excite me.
Doesn't look like he knows what he's doing/where to run, and lacks effort. Very athletic of course but otherwise not much else to interest me.
Thats the thing that concerns me about him. Its the stuff you cant really teach that hes very deficient in.
He will get better at it the more games he plays.
Chol has taken like 10 huge marks in defence the last 3 weeks. Had a good game in the forward line yesterday. Nice marks. Goals. Assists. Lots of key contributions too
With our lack of rucks and tall fwds/backs it be pretty dumb to remove him from the list.
I'm not sure chol needs to be delisted
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Chol is good
We rest our case
It's obvious to 90%+ of humanity rioli is a very good footballer. If you cannot see that it's tough titties.
Rioli has done truck all yet to be classed a good footballer. He has talent but if you are honest with yourself he is just a kid that puts on good pressure. He isn't even a very good tackler yet.
He will be given every opportunity to become a good footballer but so was Andy Krakouer.
It's all good though we are in a prelim final. Let's hope he gets a kick this week. :cheers
He did enough to be selected as in the under 22 side of the year which was acknowledged by everyone but you
That side was voted on by "the fans"
So?
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I stick by my Chol support, talls can take longer to kick on, he has a lot of good about him. Callum Moore looks the goods too
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Given West Coast is going to go through a list cull would they want Conca?
I wouldn't think so, they feel they lack pace in the midfield.
I reckon they might have a go at Menadue if he is available.
Hmm they have eked out all they can from a lot of players and are in desperate need of big inside mids outside classy mids and small fwds. they have every other area covered.
It wont happen but you could cull 15 or so and not blink, and it may be too late but they could or should have traded one of McKenzie or Schofield.
in the gun in order imo
Priddis - retired.
Mitchell - retired.
Petrie - retired.
Butler - retired
Le Cras - should retire but wont.
Hill - what a soft prick.
Jetta - like a lot of ours hes had one good yr in about 8 and hes still living on it.besides has a pea heart smaller than B Ellis.
Giles - superfluous to needs with Lycett and Naitanui coming back from injury. they need a junior not an aged hack.
Masten - is the most overrated poorly skilled lazy player in the comp.
Trade
McKenzie or Schofield. At their age of 28 29 may not get a lot for them.
Thats 10 it wont happen Simpson loves aged hacks. You could name probably 5 others as well.
Theres a also a few rookies on top of that.
what amazes me is they have needed big inside junior mids for yrs and they went with runts when players like P Cripps, Blakeley, and Powell-Pepper all west aussies were available to them.
they have to go backwards to go forwards that was obvious at the end of 2015 but they kept topping up with old players and ignored the nd to a large degree.
Their best 22 next yr is quite decent outside of mids.In fact their spine is as good as anyones.
If it was me in charge id be going with something like this.And id be targeting someone like Cripps and our own Shai bolton.Imagine just 3 sliding door moments Cripps, Powell-pepper, Blakeley and they traded for Bolton also a west aussie.
FB: Hurn - Barass - Yeo
HB:Sheppard - McGovern - Nelson
R: Naitanui - Blakeley - Duggan
C: Shuey - Cripps - Gaff
HF: Lamb - Darling - Rioli
FF: Bolton - Kennedy - Karpany
INT: Powell Pepper - Sheed - Partington - Venables.
As stated this is what id try to do with them big inside ball winning mids and some small fwds to compliment the the talls in lamb, Kennedy and Darling.
I really dont think thats a slow side its about the balance of speed, size, height and ball winning ability. You can see just how shallow their midfield is with priddis and Mitchell gone and the naming of three badly needed mids that they dont have.
Gunna get the pee taken but hey just my thoughts on an opposition club.
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I thought this was a Richmond forum
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Is Karpany a tall because if he's not that forward line just won't work.
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How the Eff does WC acquire Sam PP, P Cripps and Connor Blakeley from trading out Schofield and Mackenzie?
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Updated contracts list. You would think only Townsend is likely to get a new contract out of those currently out of contract.
Contracts List:
Out of contract: Batchelor, Elton, Hunt, Lennon, Maric (retiring), Miles, Morris, Townsend
2018: Bolton, Broad, Conca, Drummond, C.Ellis, Garthwaite, Graham, Griffiths, Grigg, Grimes, Hampson, Houli, Lloyd, Markov, Menadue, Short
2019: Astbury, Butler, Edwards, B.Ellis, Lambert, McIntosh, Nankervis, Rance, Riewoldt, Rioli, Vlastuin
2020: Caddy, Cotchin
2021: Prestia
2024: Martin
Rookies:
Jason Castagna - third year.
Mabior Chol - second year.
Callum Moore - second year.
Ivan Soldo - third year (international/non-registered)
Tyson Stengle - first year.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=22895.msg515679#msg515679
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Looks like 2019 is an important year as goes the pen and paper
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How the Eff does WC acquire Sam PP, P Cripps and Connor Blakeley from trading out Schofield and Mackenzie?
Your comprehension aint too good is it.
When a poster says imagine 3 sliding door moments in cripps pp and blakeley your comprehension fails you. i do feel sorry for ya you must struggle a lot.Is Karpany a tall because if he's not that forward line just won't work.
What 193cm Lamb 196cm kennedy and a 192cm Darling not tall enough for ya.You do show your ignorance all the time.
I thought this was a Richmond forum
Last time i looked it was your point being. Oh i see your so blinkered you dont want to talk about other teams on a footy forum.That makes for pretty boring poo eh.
Lets go get Jack Gunston but wait hes not Richmond so best we dont talk about him.
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Are you excited about Richmond playing in a prelim, Claw/Mopsy?
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I thought this was a Richmond forum
Last time i looked it was your point being. Oh i see your so blinkered you dont want to talk about other teams on a footy forum.That makes for pretty boring poo eh.
Lets go get Jack Gunston but wait hes not Richmond so best we dont talk about him.
You can talk about players from other teams but I don't think anyone cares about hypothetical trades, drafting, delistings and team line ups of any other team. Now if you actually talked facts about another team then I'm sure it'd be an interesting read
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I've heard Chol is nowhere near it, and from the handful of quarters I've seen of the magoos before AFL games I would say there's not much to excite me.
Doesn't look like he knows what he's doing/where to run, and lacks effort. Very athletic of course but otherwise not much else to interest me.
Thats the thing that concerns me about him. Its the stuff you cant really teach that hes very deficient in.
He will get better at it the more games he plays.
Chol has taken like 10 huge marks in defence the last 3 weeks. Had a good game in the forward line yesterday. Nice marks. Goals. Assists. Lots of key contributions too
With our lack of rucks and tall fwds/backs it be pretty dumb to remove him from the list.
I'm not sure chol needs to be delisted
:-\
Chol is good
We rest our case
It's obvious to 90%+ of humanity rioli is a very good footballer. If you cannot see that it's tough titties.
Rioli has done truck all yet to be classed a good footballer. He has talent but if you are honest with yourself he is just a kid that puts on good pressure. He isn't even a very good tackler yet.
His forward pressure is elite.
He is a good tackler. His forward pressure makes defenders crap the self just when he is in te general vicinity. Based on reputation. Pressure. Referrered pressure. Pace.
The knock that the fans voted him in the 22 side is strange. The all Australian selectors or umpires are hardly infallible. Cotchin was not in the squad ... :o
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Snip! Leave out the insults/sniping and stick to the topic, ppl.
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D'Orazio on Sam Lloyd: We've sat down with the Tigers throughout 2017. We'd be open to looking at options for him.
D'Orazio on Lloyd: We've had some interest from clubs. I'd hate to see Sam play another full year in the VFL and go to waste
https://twitter.com/traderadio/
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If we can get a second rounder then take it but otherwise I think hes good value to keep, as his tank keeps improving he spends more minutes in the guts and as he showed in the latter part of the vfl season, is an absolute ball magnet
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He had a very good season in '16 when no one else stepped up.
As with Conca, Lennon, Miles - I reckon unless we get offered a 2nd rounder or 1s standard player hold onto them. They're all capable of playing good seniors level football. Probably won't get offered that much in a trade, but you never know. Brisbane were ready to part with pick 19 for Astbury 2 years ago!
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What do people think of Soldo's future? Nominally we have 4 rucks but really only 1 AFL level. But we won with Grigg as second ruck. Re rookie, senior list or drop?
Can you Re rookie for a 4th year?
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What do people think of Soldo's future? Nominally we have 4 rucks but really only 1 AFL level. But we won with Grigg as second ruck. Re rookie, senior list or drop?
Can you Re rookie for a 4th year?
The thing about Soldo is that he was a category B rookie for at least a couple of years.
You're not counted on even the rookie list if you have never played before.
It's usually for internationals like the Irish recruits or even Cox and Holmes from the US.
Think Soldo has only been on the official list for a couple of years.
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Sam Landsberger (from the Herald-Sun) was on SEN yesterday arvo and said he believes Miles, Lloyd and Lennon are all happy at Richmond and they will stick around and aim to break into the premiership side in 2018 rather than leave to play for a weaker club.
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Hunt, Morris and Elton all gone.
Think we all knew Morro and Hunt were cooked. Thought Elton might stay on, perhaps another developed big man is on his way? :shh
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Hunt, Morris and Elton all gone.
Think we all knew Morro and Hunt were cooked. Thought Elton might stay on, perhaps another developed big man is on his way? :shh
Here is the full article from the Richmond website. Soldo and Castagna elevated as well.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2017-10-09/richmond-list-changes
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More to come.... :shh
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Elton was always gone IMO. Stayed on the list longer than he probably should have, finally had his shot and didn't show enough.
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But good on Morro, staying with the VFL tiges :clapping
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Good decision to elevate George and Soldo and to retain Steggle, Chol and Moore as rookies. It was the right to decision to let go Elton, Hunt and Morris. It shows real character for Morris to play for the VFL side. Although he was not highly skilled his courage and attitude could never be questioned. I will always remember that goal he kicked against the Hawks.
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I remember the time Morris was pantsed by Betts......despite not even being in the side
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Haven't the AFL changed the rules for next year so that rookies will be able to be selected for the seniors without requiring elevation?
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With josh schache back in play would we trade miles or Lloyd and a pick for josh? He is the young kpp we have been searching for and miles would probably love playing in the firsts again.
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I remember the time Morris was pantsed by Betts......despite not even being in the side
Yes.....some of the loosest checking ever seen by Morris that day.....
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I remember the time Morris was pantsed by Betts......despite not even being in the side
Yes.....some of the loosest checking ever seen by Morris that day.....
Morris did the best he could with limited talent. He isn't a good reader of the play, not fast, not tall but he played in the AFL. Well done.
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Elton was such a non event in the end . Impersonating an AFL footballer for 6 years .
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Elton was such a non event in the end . Impersonating an AFL footballer for 6 years .
Yep, have felt for some time he was at the head of the queue for the exit door.
Project tall who didn't work out. Got a fair crack at it IMO
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I remember the time Morris was pantsed by Betts......despite not even being in the side
ahhhhhh yesssss....brings a tear to the eye :'(
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I remember the time Morris was pantsed by Betts......despite not even being in the side
Yes.....some of the loosest checking ever seen by Morris that day.....
Morris did the best he could with limited talent. He isn't a good reader of the play, not fast, not tall but he played in the AFL. Well done.
Can't believe he didn't stop Betts that night
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Thought Elton might stay on, perhaps another developed big man is on his way? :shh
Elton was always goenski, showed in every AFL game he played this year (sadly) he wasnt up to it
Not playing in the VFL finals was the final nail IMHO
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How is Griffiths still on our list?
Surely people don't think he's going to do an Astbury and turn his career around?
Or maybe just cut later...?
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Griffith is signed until end of 2018.
We have plenty of space due to retirements and delistings.
Leave him for next year and see what happens
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cut later
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How is Griffiths still on our list?
Surely people don't think he's going to do an Astbury and turn his career around?
Or maybe just cut later...?
Hold onto for mine.
I agree, if I had to guess I'd say I don't see him making it. However, we're stretched thin (excuse the pun) with talls so I'd say we're only getting rid of the ones we can't afford to keep on our list.
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I've heard Chol is nowhere near it, and from the handful of quarters I've seen of the magoos before AFL games I would say there's not much to excite me.
Doesn't look like he knows what he's doing/where to run, and lacks effort. Very athletic of course but otherwise not much else to interest me.
That's concerning. Hope hes not Like Daw at Norf a great athlete but a liability as a footballer.
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Yet he'd already gone past McBean after two NAB Cup games accordng to some..... :shh
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Given I know nothing cos we won and I thought we had holes everywhere I'll caveat this. I reckon we ought to draft 2 mids and trade miles for schache if miles is a goner. If he'll stay keep him.
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Of course we would trade Miles for Shache
But considering that's an impossible pipe dream, we'd better look at other options
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Yet he'd already gone past McBean after two NAB Cup games accordng to some..... :shh
Well considering McBean is long gone to the SANFL and Chol is still on our list albeit tthe rookie list, think Chol is still ahead of McBean.
And i still think Chol showed more in a couple of preseason games than McBean did in his AFL career. ;D
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I've heard Chol is nowhere near it, and from the handful of quarters I've seen of the magoos before AFL games I would say there's not much to excite me.
Doesn't look like he knows what he's doing/where to run, and lacks effort. Very athletic of course but otherwise not much else to interest me.
That's concerning. Hope hes not Like Daw at Norf a great athlete but a liability as a footballer.
Sudanese McBean
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Given I know nothing cos we won and I thought we had holes everywhere I'll caveat this. I reckon we ought to draft 2 mids and trade miles for schache if miles is a goner. If he'll stay keep him.
We've already got one mummy's boy on our list and at least he played in our reserves grand final. Schache on the other hand left his teammates to fight out a premiership win without him.
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Yet he'd already gone past McBean after two NAB Cup games accordng to some..... :shh
NAB or not, Chol has outperformed McBean at AFL level :shh
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Yet he'd already gone past McBean after two NAB Cup games accordng to some..... :shh
NAB or not, Chol has outperformed McBean at AFL level :shh
Except NAB cup games are not played at anywhere near AFL-level intensity and can't be compared to AFL Premiership matches.... :shh
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How is Griffiths still on our list?
Surely people don't think he's going to do an Astbury and turn his career around?
Or maybe just cut later...?
If we cut him it would be for his own good. He ought to take the Dr's advice and retire. What is it 5 concussions and counting? Your a long time brain damaged.
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Of course we would trade Miles for Shache
But considering that's an impossible pipe dream, we'd better look at other options
I dunno. Miles + 2nd rounder might do it.
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Of course we would trade Miles for Shache
But considering that's an impossible pipe dream, we'd better look at other options
I dunno. Miles + 2nd rounder might do it.
At this stage that is overs. Thinking more a straight swap might clinch it.
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Who's battling for a spot on your club's list?
Dinny Navaratnam
afl.com.au
14 October 2017
RICHMOND
Defender Jake Batchelor will learn more about his future at the end of the NAB AFL Trade Period after playing just once this season.
Smart forward Ben Lennon is out of contract and has not lived up to his potential after just five games in the past two seasons. His talent was obvious after being drafted at No.12 in 2013 but Lennon has never flourished in Damien Hardwick's side. He appears to be in limbo, a situation Nathan Drummond also finds himself in. The midfielder has had both knees reconstructed but might be given another chance.
Tough onballer Anthony Miles is out of contract and exploring options, but will be kept on at the Tigers if he doesn't move elsewhere.
Already delisted: Todd Elton, Taylor Hunt, Ivan Maric (retired), Steven Morris, Chris Yarran (retired)