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Re: List changes going into the 2018 preseason
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2017, 02:23:55 PM »
From the Herald-Sun website's live trade talk today:

duckky:
What chance of Sam Lloyd of Richmond being a trade target given he cannot get a look in at the seniors?

Jon Ralph:
Yeah, I would think he and Anthony Miles would be going somewhere. Put it this way - he isn't getting a game at the Tigers. And would he get a slot at the worst club out there? So that's on ladder Carlton, Brisbane and Gold Coast. Gold Coast would slot him in as a handy lead-up to keep defenders honest on Tom Lynch. So if he was delisted or wanted out, I am sure there would be another home for him.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmonds-successful-offseason-is-driving-its-onfield-success-and-premiership-hopes/news-story/ea5be88375c475c5458a92e8f73bfbe1

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Re: List changes going into the 2018 preseason
« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2017, 06:50:27 PM »
From the Herald-Sun website's live trade talk today:

duckky:
What chance of Sam Lloyd of Richmond being a trade target given he cannot get a look in at the seniors?

Jon Ralph:
Yeah, I would think he and Anthony Miles would be going somewhere. Put it this way - he isn't getting a game at the Tigers. And would he get a slot at the worst club out there? So that's on ladder Carlton, Brisbane and Gold Coast. Gold Coast would slot him in as a handy lead-up to keep defenders honest on Tom Lynch. So if he was delisted or wanted out, I am sure there would be another home for him.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmonds-successful-offseason-is-driving-its-onfield-success-and-premiership-hopes/news-story/ea5be88375c475c5458a92e8f73bfbe1

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Re: List changes going into the 2018 preseason
« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2017, 08:06:45 PM »
need to keep Miles if possible we WILL get injuries to mids next year

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Re: List changes going into the 2018 preseason
« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2017, 08:09:37 PM »
need to keep Miles if possible we WILL get injuries to mids next year

Don't think it's possible, he has currency, couldnt blame if wants to leave for more opportunities

He's out of contract isn't he? That's the other thing ...

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Re: List changes going into the 2018 preseason
« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2017, 09:12:06 PM »
need to keep Miles if possible we WILL get injuries to mids next year

Don't think it's possible, he has currency, couldnt blame if wants to leave for more opportunities

He's out of contract isn't he? That's the other thing ...

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Re: List changes going into the 2018 preseason
« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2017, 09:44:01 PM »
It would be a mistake to offload too many depth players.  Happy for1-2 to go but that's all.  What's wrong with sticking with us and working harder to push your way in?

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Re: List changes going into the 2018 preseason
« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2017, 11:58:09 PM »
The other one that is definitely gone from the list is Yarran.

So that means
Yarran
Maric
Elton
Hunt
Morris

May be tradable
Batchelor
Lennon
Miles
Lennon

Of the rookies, if what was said is true then, Moore and Stengle would go up onto the senior list, leaving Chol as a possible release.

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Re: List changes going into the 2018 preseason
« Reply #37 on: September 14, 2017, 12:47:40 AM »
I think Chol will be retained as a rookie. Has done enough to suggest that the project still has potential.


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Re: List changes going into the 2018 preseason
« Reply #38 on: September 14, 2017, 08:00:39 AM »
I think Chol will be retained as a rookie. Has done enough to suggest that the project still has potential.
Only just. Hes stagnated a lot IMO. Still think he has the potential but if its another year like this one I think its time to move on.

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Re: List changes going into the 2018 preseason
« Reply #39 on: September 14, 2017, 09:21:01 AM »

Of the rookies, if what was said is true then, Moore and Stengle would go up onto the senior list, leaving Chol as a possible release.

Castagna is a promoted rookie this season and based on his season he gets a permanent spot on the senior list

Soldo. Moore and Stengle ro remain rookies and most probably Choi as well.
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Re: List changes going into the 2018 preseason
« Reply #40 on: September 14, 2017, 09:42:42 AM »

Of the rookies, if what was said is true then, Moore and Stengle would go up onto the senior list, leaving Chol as a possible release.

Castagna is a promoted rookie this season and based on his season he gets a permanent spot on the senior list

Soldo. Moore and Stengle ro remain rookies and most probably Choi as well.

Soldo has already had 3 years on Rookie list

Chol will get another year on Rookie list

Callum Moore to be upgraded

Georgie to be traded

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Re: List changes going into the 2018 preseason
« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2017, 11:09:40 AM »
I'm only talking about Moore and Stengle being upgraded and Chol being delisted due to the statement made earlier that the rookie list will be removed and the list (senior) expanded.

As far as Chol is concerned, I just think watching him over the last couple of weeks in the VFL that while he has the talent to be a very good tall defender, there is a worrying inconsistency of effort. At times he seems to be coasting and satisfied with just being on a list as a professional footballer.

I've listed who I think could be delisted or traded and that allows us plenty of room without making drastic decisions. We have between 5 and 9 fairly obvious changes.

Musing on this over the last couple of days there are some points worth thinking about.

1) We have a shortage of key position players with only Rance and Astbury in defence and Riewoldt and Griffith (possibly) forward.

If we can get a Schache-type in trade this will help. A tall forward who has a couple of years of development under his belt. Himmelburg would have a been a prime candidate but injuries to Cameron and Mumford have shown him he may have a future at the Giants. Without those injuries he may well have not played in the finals. The key here is to not pay too much. I've posted already that a trade of Miles for Schache can be done with the proviso that we should be paid a bit more for our current player over the potential of theirs.

We can draft to add to our key defenders. There is not the same urgency here as there is in the forwards. I note there is talk of Balta as a forward. I would have thought he is a perfect fit for us as a developing key back.

2) We have a shortage of rucks with only Nankervis, a doubtful Hampson, a developing Soldo and a dodgy Griffith.

We can draft a young ruck or trade for one. It is up to the list management committee which way to go here. I would like to see us draft Hayes as the young ruck/forward but that may be tricky given our picks and depends on trade options.

3) We seem to be okay for current and future options for the midfield.

It is interesting that there seems to be a set-up in our midfield to play a tall and a short wingman on opposite sides. I'm not sure if that's planned but it seems to be a given. We have Grigg, McIntosh and Menadue on one side and on the other we have B Ellis, Rioli or Graham.

If we continue to do this, and I've got no problem with it, perhaps Naish can be the next in line to take over from Graham when he moves into pure midfield as I expect. As with the previous we have a problem getting Naish with our current draft picks but I can understand the emotional attachment to Naish and he does fit with the apparent model of short and tall.

4) The wheel turns quickly on game plans.

While our much-discussed one key, small forward line is working wonderfully and hopefully for another couple of weeks there is a big chance that over the off-season this will be picked apart and countered by the opposition next year. That's okay. It's what happens but we must try to stay ahead.

What hasn't been discussed as much is the use of Caddy and Townsend as defensive forwards. They have taken over the roles of second and third tall forwards simply by halving the aerial contests and using their strength and agility to beat their opponents on the ground with the help of the harrying smalls like Rioli, Butler and Castagna. This is also added to by the use of Martin and Cotchin resting forward - a key aspect pointed out by Hardwick on the Talking Footy interview.

The thing is that we have a chance to stay ahead with a few tweaks.
In Moore we have a classic third tall with some extra skills. He is very, very quick and can cover a lot of ground becoming an important link player. Riewoldt is currently the perfect model for what we want from Moore. Usually the link player is the backman coming forward like Houli or Shaw. If Moore can develop it changes this whole structure. The backs don't have as much demand to rebound and can maintain their structure at all times. A player like Moore coming down the ground as the link player also has the benefit of opening up space in the forward line. I think this is a style that Clarkson has been trying at Hawthorn over years but he hasn't really had the players. Gunston would be the closest he has come but now he's the classic rebounding half back.

What I want:
Schache as a swap for Miles with an upgrade of picks.
Balta as a key defender with a first rounder.
Hayes as a ruck/forward if we're really lucky with a first rounder. Or a young ruck from elsewhere in a low cost trade like Nankervis.
Naish with a mash-up of points from Miles and any other trades we can rig together. It's not essential but it would be nice to get a Richmond kid. Maybe it's even worthwhile to go into deficit for next years picks. I don't like the idea but, after all, this year could fix most of the holes on our list for years to come.

Of course that rosy optimism depends on the recruiters getting each and every pick perfect and no potholes along the way.           

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Re: List changes going into the 2018 preseason
« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2017, 12:02:56 PM »
Quote from: taztiger4 link=topic=26634.msg612745#msg612745
Soldo has already had 3 years on Rookie list

Chol will get another year on Rookie list

Callum Moore to be upgraded

Georgie to be traded

Didnt think there were restirction on the length you could keep rookies these days especailly the category Soldo comes under.

Personally I wouldnt be upgrading Moore, still have reservations. Would much rather see what's out there draft wise first
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Re: List changes going into the 2018 preseason
« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2017, 12:41:53 PM »

Of the rookies, if what was said is true then, Moore and Stengle would go up onto the senior list, leaving Chol as a possible release.

Castagna is a promoted rookie this season and based on his season he gets a permanent spot on the senior list

Soldo. Moore and Stengle ro remain rookies and most probably Choi as well.

Soldo has already had 3 years on Rookie list

Chol will get another year on Rookie list

Callum Moore to be upgraded

Georgie to be traded

We've had little maric for 3 years?  :o

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Re: List changes going into the 2018 preseason
« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2017, 11:27:24 PM »
I heard this years draft is as deep as a small puddle.
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