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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 01, 2017, 07:13:11 PM
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Grant Thomas Richmond worst group to win premiership
Herald Sun
October 1, 2017 4:01pm
FORMER St Kilda coach Grant Thomas has lauded Richmond’s stunning premiership win but remains puzzled as to how this group managed to achieve the ultimate success.
Led by A-grade stars Dustin Martin, Trent Cotchin, Alex Rance and Jack Riewoldt, the Tigers rose from 13th last year to complete a stunning 2017 turnaround with the flag.
Thomas has been left scratching his head over how coach Damien Hardwick has managed to get this group of players, which he labelled “possibly the worst group to win a premiership”.
But he said that fact only enhances Hardwick’s remarkable coaching effort.
“Woke up & (sic) still gobsmacked. How’d u do it Tigers? Cotchin, Rance, Riewoldt, Martin.... who’s their next best player? Incredible coaching,” he tweeted.
“Don’t get me wrong or misinterpret but possibly worst group of players to win Premiership which only enhances their effort & performance.”
Richmond defeated flag favourites Adelaide by 48 points, with Martin winning the Norm Smith Medal.
Unheralded players such as Jack Graham, playing his fifth game starred, and Kane Lambert and Kamdyn McIntosh continued their good form, while Jacob Townsend was nearly on the AFL scrapheap before a stunning run from Round 22 to cement his position as a critical part of the Tiger machine.
Last year Richmond won just eight matches last year and was smashed by Sydney by 113 points in Round 23.
Over the off-season the club recruited four players who proved vital to the drought-breaking premiership — three via the trade period and one in the draft — with Dion Prestia (Gold Coast), Josh Caddy (Geelong), Toby Nankervis (Sydney) and Jack Graham (pick No.53).
This season the Tigers finished the home-and-away season in third position and was undefeated in the finals after defeating Geelong, GWS and Adelaide.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/former-st-kilda-coach-grant-thomas-says-richmond-is-the-worst-group-to-win-a-premiership/news-story/5e92b00e380879d19fbc4ac097e883f5
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stuff off idiot
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Grant who?
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Grant who?
I think it's the guy that coached St Kilda to ZERO flags and was sacked in 2006, maybe it's that flog. :thumbsdown
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ahhh and he had all those top draft picks and stuff too, I remember vaguely now, wasted a lot of talented players careers
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EAD thommo.
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Pity the HUN hasn't quoted ALL his tweets
Rather selective ;D
HUN seemed to miss the ones where he praised the RFC
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Pity the HUN hasn't quoted ALL his tweets
Rather selective ;D
HUN seemed to miss the ones where he praised the RFC
True, just read all his tweets and he praised us.
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...the Hun...tricked ...us?.... Still, he called our team a bunch of hacks basically stuff him
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...the Hun...tricked ...us?.... Still, he called our team a bunch of hacks basically stuff him
And so did a lot people on here for the vast majority of the season :rollin :rollin
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Grant who?
I think it's the guy that coached St Kilda to ZERO flags and was sacked in 2006, maybe it's that flog. :thumbsdown
Worst coach of a finals team, look what happened when Lyon took over
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It was a back handed compliment. Go stuff yourself grant
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What a stupid article
Grant Thomas=Gigantic Tosser
...but don't get me wrong
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This guy is mates with butters who was high on cocaine through his whole tenure, and he expects people to agree with him. hahaha
didnt even read past the first line, but i will read his article with interest in 12 months when we go b2b
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Grant on twitter asked for a less credentialed premiership side.
I posted St Kilda 1966 ;D. His club has won just one flag in 130 years by one point off a wobbly kick :wallywink.
No reply as yet from Grant :lol.
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Grant on twitter asked for a less credentialed premiership side.
I posted St Kilda 1966 ;D. His club has won just one flag in 130 years by one point off a wobbly kick :wallywink.
No reply as yet from Grant :lol.
he seems to respond to everyone else MT. I wonder why that is.
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Grant on twitter asked for a less credentialed premiership side.
I posted St Kilda 1966 ;D. His club has won just one flag in 130 years by one point off a wobbly kick :wallywink.
No reply as yet from Grant :lol.
he seems to respond to everyone else MT. I wonder why that is.
Reality hurts ;D.
I found his tweet and my reply:
Grant Thomas @Thomo_Grant 7h ago
What sounds like sour grapes? It’s a compliment. Read tweets. I’d be honored to achieve that. Tell me a p’ship team with less credentials?
mighty tiges @mightytiges
Replying to @Thomo_Grant @Tommy10cents
St Kilda 1966. Your club has just one flag off a wobbly kick & you're bagging a team that won all 3 finals by 6-8 goals. Laughable! #gotiges
Two Brownlow medallists (one with Norm Smith), Dual Coleman medallist, greatest full back of all time 5x AA & capt. Yeah what duds! #gotiges
1/3 of team 1st round draft picks incl. Rioli, Prestia. Jack Graham was U18 SA captain & Larke medallist (= 17 dumb other clubs). #gotiges
https://twitter.com/Thomo_Grant/status/914353628491554818
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Burn
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I think he's incredibly jealous actually. Had a decent side which failed to win a gf.
I'm still in shock at our achievement to be honest.
Who would've thought we'd win the premiership? I'm not sure even our coach did if you asked them at the beginning of the year.
This achievement is a testament to the perseverance shown and professionalism of our footy club. From the coaches to the whole footy department there so many intangibles that need to all fit into place and sometimes even circumstance can set in motion an idea or change that's required.
Who's would've thought battlers like Broad, Castagna, Lambert, Butler, Graham would ever be the secret ingredients in the recipe of success?
For me, beating Geelong in the first final was another of those instances that create an aura of self-belief that can help propell even the less gifted to feats of greatness.
A lot has been spoken of the bond this team has for one another and that is another piece of the jigsaw puzzle that was put into place to complete the ultimate picture.
You don't need the best players but a team that has the belief and cohesion can achieve anything when the gameplan implemented compliments the players strengths and the team works hard for each other so the burden of success is a shared responsibility.
I'm not upset with Grant Thomas because there's nothing wrong in asking the question but who knows, maybe if he'd embraced that infamous preseason cup win that might have been the secret ingredient required for his team to see ultimate success. :shh
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I think he's incredibly jealous actually. Had a decent side which failed to win a gf.
I'm still in shock at our achievement to be honest.
Who would've thought we'd win the premiership? I'm not sure even our coach did if you asked them at the beginning of the year.
This achievement is a testament to the perseverance shown and professionalism of our footy club. From the coaches to the whole footy department there so many intangibles that need to all fit into place and sometimes even circumstance can set in motion an idea or change that's required.
Who's would've thought battlers like Broad, Castagna, Lambert, Butler, Graham would ever be the secret ingredients in the recipe of success?
For me, beating Geelong in the first final was another of those instances that create an aura of self-belief that can help propell even the less gifted to feats of greatness.
A lot has been spoken of the bond this team has for one another and that is another piece of the jigsaw puzzle that was put into place to complete the ultimate picture.
You don't need the best players but a team that has the belief and cohesion can achieve anything when the gameplan implemented compliments the players strengths and the team works hard for each other so the burden of success is a shared responsibility.
I'm not upset with Grant Thomas because there's nothing wrong in asking the question but who knows, maybe if he'd embraced that infamous preseason cup win that might have been the secret ingredient required for his team to see ultimate success. :shh
:clapping :clapping
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Great post Tigeritis but honestly do Geelong have any good players apart from Selwood, Danger and possibly Mitch Duncan?
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I think it's actually a complement guys.
He's kind of right too. Champion team, not a team of champions.
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Lets face it Grant Thomas just said what so many opposition supporters are thinking .
Been reading opposition boards all weekend ( with my popcorn ) and they are all befuddled.
We really are hated by everyone. It's a return to the glory years .
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YEAH wooohooo
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The crows, and everyone else thought it was done and dusted and were practicing their speeches and heroic poses in their heads while we got on with dismantling them. Spent it before they got it, classic blunder. Never make a beverage of your bathwater.
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This guy is a halfwit and told him as much on twitter, hes probably blocked me.
Disrespectful a-hole.
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Bump.
Clearly, Thomas now thinks we're the worst group to win two premierships :snidegrin.
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Great bump.
In no way were his comments complimentary.
Just an envious boob.
But this is what people from unsuccessful clubs do and say as they look on at successful clubs. They just can’t fathom how we do it, so they express their tall poppy as some sort of misguided tall poppy shyte.
Into the dustbin Grant...
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He's explained this multiple times and knowing him personally, it was not a dig. In hindsight, it was an inaccurate comment anyway as that side had a lot of talent despite the fact that several of that premiership side are now on the verge of flaming out of the AFL within 1-2 years.
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He's explained this multiple times and knowing him personally, it was not a dig. In hindsight, it was an inaccurate comment anyway as that side had a lot of talent despite the fact that several of that premiership side are now on the verge of flaming out of the AFL within 1-2 years.
I also know him personally and was probably the first to text him asking him if we’re the worst side to ever win 2 Premiership. Not unexpectedly, no reply.
As we both would know, Grant likes spitting out opinions. Not all of them accurate nor complimentary
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I remember reading this and mates picking up and running with this sentiment which really peed me off. 2 in 3 years in an 18 team competition is no fluke and if we win another we should be regarded as one of the better teams of the modern era.
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He's explained this multiple times and knowing him personally, it was not a dig. In hindsight, it was an inaccurate comment anyway as that side had a lot of talent despite the fact that several of that premiership side are now on the verge of flaming out of the AFL within 1-2 years.
Who are these several?
16/22 from 2017 backed it up in 2019. Of the 6 who missed you got grigg who retired and graham and rance who were ruled out by injury. The only 3 who lost their place were Townsend, butler and McIntosh and Towner is the only one who may not be on an afl list come next season.
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I liked him on Footy Classified -had good opinions on the game and gave Caro's self-righteous school marm routine the short shrift it deserved. Rather have people like him at the AFL than the pc limpdicks, accountants and soulless corporate drones that are running it now. :shh
As for his comments on us - as I've said before , would rather be the worst side to win a flag than the best side not to...though I wish everyone, including the club itself , would stop promoting this "system over talent" line so heavily, even if it is partially true...then maybe our lesser premiership players would attract more interest & better offers during trade week..also didn't help matters when Jack Riewoldt himself kept saying "we're not the most talented list" in every interview from round 23 through to the GF and after back in 2017... :shh :shh
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I liked him on Footy Classified -had good opinions on the game and gave Caro's self-righteous school marm routine the short shrift it deserved.
Occasionally had a good take but generally was well out of his depth IMO.
Rather have people like him at the AFL than the pc limpdicks, accountants and soulless corporate drones that are running it now. :shh
There's always NRL to follow along if that's how you feel. As much as we gripe and groan about the operations of the AFL, they are the envy of professional sports worldwide and shyte on just about every other major sport world wide. If anything, they cowtail to the non-pc "I like me beer cold and me tv loud" punters too much.
As for his comments on us - as I've said before , would rather be the worst side to win a flag than the best side not to...though I wish everyone, including the club itself , would stop promoting this "system over talent" line so heavily, even if it is partially true...then maybe our lesser premiership players would attract more interest & better offers during trade week..also didn't help matters when Jack Riewoldt himself kept saying "we're not the most talented list" in every interview from round 23 through to the GF and after back in 2017... :shh :shh
Would any of the players we have traded recently received anything like the returns we got for them if we hadn't won flags (aside from Corey Ellis and Miles trades, which were an extension of the Lynch deal)?
Our list is full of champions, and they haven't really improved all that much since 2017.
Vlastuin, Grimes, Prestia, Edwards, Astbury, Houli, Rioli, Caddy, Nankervis, Lambert and Graham are pretty much playing at the same level that they were in late 2017. A brash take that hasn't really analysed our team might say they are nobodies. But lets be honest, any one of those guys would have been worshipped as a Richmond journeyman 10 years ago. Nothing can excuse that take from Thomas but sloppy journalism at best and Ricky Nixon esque tall poppy at worst.
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There's always NRL to follow along if that's how you feel. As much as we gripe and groan about the operations of the AFL, they are the envy of professional sports worldwide
Cheers Gil.. ::)
If anything, they cowtail to the non-pc "I like me beer cold and me tv loud" punters too much.
[1965]It's kowtow not cowtail[/1965] :shh...but yes, perish the thought that there's a still a large segment of the great unwashed who just want to watch football and forget about the troubles of the world, work and the week for a couple of hours and not be lectured about & reminded of them by their social betters such as you- let alone have them expecting a full body contact sport played by grown men of their own volition to be tough, hard and even occasionally violent with little regard to delicate middle-class sensibilities....oh the humanity ... :shh :shh
..and if you think Lewis Taylor is worth 8 picks higher than Dan Butler and McIntosh - who was second and one vote of first in the B&F after 8 rounds - isn't even worth a half-decent offer, then all I can say is good luck and good day to you sir... :shh :shh :shh
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The only list that someone could argue is more talented than ours is GWS and their talent was handed to them on a silver platter. Although props to them for developing and retaining them for the most part unlike the Suns.
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[1965]It's kowtow not cowtail[/1965]
It is kowtow, thank you for the correction. :thumbsup
:shh...but yes, perish the thought that there's a still a large segment of the great unwashed who just want to watch football and forget about the troubles of the world, work and the week for a couple of hours and not be lectured about & reminded of them by their social betters such as you- let alone have them expecting a full body contact sport played by grown men of their own volition to be tough, hard and even occasionally violent with little regard to delicate middle-class sensibilities....oh the humanity ... :shh :shh
"social betters", pfft!? What is that, Nietzsche?
There is a certainly irony to you swinging class politics in my face, but anyway. Football sets the bar high(er than the MINIMUM expected) in regards to social decorum, and it has enjoyed a tremendous increase in following and support since it has made the switch more tangible. Whatever, its a good thing. It helps people understand that their beer swilling, repugnancy no longer has a place in football as it hurts the brand. So accuse them (the AFL) of being brand managers and I'll agree wholeheartedly. But if the consequence is that people think twice before hurling vile abuse or posting some abhorance online without anonymity because the "white shirts" went and got "PC" then that's more than fine with me. Go and tune into the MMA, and watch the blood splatter all over the floor if that's what you need to escape.
..and if you think Lewis Taylor is worth 8 picks higher than Dan Butler and McIntosh - who was second and one vote of first in the B&F after 8 rounds - isn't even worth a half-decent offer, then all I can say is good luck and good day to you sir... :shh :shh :shh
This is confusing. What I think and what Grant Thomas thinks were the points of debate here. I'm not sure what Sydney's valuation of players has to do with anything. (Although I personally think Lewis Taylor was a steal.) But there are so many other factors at play when exchanging a player for a draft pick than a reductive quid pro quo summation.
But I'll finish by saying how many clubs would have been able to trade their 5th rated small forward who was taken 11 picks later than the pick he was traded for? And how many supporters would be banging on about it in supporter forums about how we got ripped off? Who cares, this isn't the topic of conversation anyway.
We had champion players everywhere in 2017. Grant is just another naysayer that can't handle what we have become and so expresses some word vomit on twitter and then demands that we stop accosting him and interpret it as a complement. Hurry, get him to AFL house....
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i reckon what it says is yes a lot of our players are not champions and most just perform a role.
What they get wrong the media and oppo supporters imo, is just perhaps players at other clubs are exactly the same and perhaps looked upon as being better when they are not. Every single team has it fair share of lets call em role players for harmony.
Funny thing is when it comes to our own we act exactly the same way.
Our top end talent is as good as anyones and we have one of the best spines going around.We have our share of b/c graders as well. But our botton 6 or so are as replaceable as anyone elses.
We aint perfect and we should be doing whatever it takes to be better and to stay in front of the pack.
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i reckon what it says is yes a lot of our players are not champions and most just perform a role.
What they get wrong the media and oppo supporters imo, is just perhaps players at other clubs are exactly the same and perhaps looked upon as being better when they are not. Every single team has it fair share of lets call em role players for harmony.
Funny thing is when it comes to our own we act exactly the same way.
Our top end talent is as good as anyones and we have one of the best spines going around.We have our share of b/c graders as well. But our botton 6 or so are as replaceable as anyone elses.
We aint perfect and we should be doing whatever it takes to be better and to stay in front of the pack.
:gobdrop
Are you ok? You are actually giving us credit! :clapping
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yes and we have a specialist up and coming role player ...
Ross....his role is turnovers...
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yes and we have a specialist up and coming role player ...
Ross....his role is turnovers...
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Bump.
Worst group to win three flags in four years :wallywink :rollin.
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Ehh, do we need to go over this again
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Ehh, do we need to go over this again
Yeh we do. The fat controller has proven to be clueless
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These saints flogs back when he was coaching think they were better and deserve a flag.Dal Santo at times is ok,Riewolt loves us,Montagna another hater.
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I know Grant and see him weekly when not in lockdown- great man but doesn't like or rate the Tigers at all!
Each to their own I guess...
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We can only beat the teams we have in front of us each week. Anyone who questions our sustained success should first take aim at the 17 other teams for not being able to compete with us. Then they should ask themselves if they really know about football because 3 premierships in 4 years is no fluke.
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I know Grant and see him weekly when not in lockdown- great man but doesn't like or rate the Tigers at all!
Each to their own I guess...
Has the same opinion of the Tigers as he did with ruckman :lol
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Yes and if we are making similar comparison , he is one of the best coaches of the last 20 years.
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Thomas doesn’t like us because we have made him look stupid.
Pretty simple.
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Honestly that saints team was better drilled under Rossy alot better.How many picks they had priority picks to still didn't get 🏆.
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His article displays a complete lack of understanding of how teams go about winning premierships.
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I always thought he was wrong with his leadership strategy and demanding players do exceptional things to break open games. It lead to waaay too many injuries to great players. Kosicksi should sue him for his brain damage. A crap coach can destroy a players body look at Daniher and Essendon that screwed his body. Good teams have good medical and few injuries.
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Grant Thomas, who knew you could talk so much poo while drinking your own urine?
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His article displays a complete lack of understanding of how teams go about winning premierships.
that makes sense, he couldnt win one
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Worst team to win 3 flags?
Thomas coached the best team to fail so hard/never win one.
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Just keep referring him back to his own record, a complete failure. You haven't achieved anything Grant and you expect the AFL community to take advice from you, your just demonstrating to every body just how deluded you are.