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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Tigeritis™©® on May 28, 2018, 12:01:55 PM
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Who would you rather see play in our team?
I think that Miles is better in every facet of the game compared to the chief turn over merchant since Taylor Hunt. .......
I can’t see the reason for choosing Conca ahead of Miles. Miles can do what Conca does but with less turnovers. Miles is better at contested footy, has cleaner hands and can extract the footy and is a clearance machine. Granted Miles isn’t blessed with a lot of speed but is he slower than Conca? I don’t think there’s much difference there.
Miles is a better kick, better tackler, better clearance player, better kick, better hand baller and a better kick for goal.
Miles would also help increase our free kick count as he is prone to getting his head knocked as he’s always first to the footy and unlike Conca which just waits for his opponent to get the ball so he can lay an uncoordinated tackle and give away another crucial free kick.
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I think Miles is a better footballer to be honest but they're totally different players.
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Milo any given day of the week
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Who would you rather see play in our team?
I think that Miles is better in every facet of the game compared to the chief turn over merchant since Taylor Hunt. .......
I can’t see the reason for choosing Conca ahead of Miles. Miles can do what Conca does but with less turnovers. Miles is better at contested footy, has cleaner hands and can extract the footy and is a clearance machine. Granted Miles isn’t blessed with a lot of speed but is he slower than Conca? I don’t think there’s much difference there.
Miles is a better kick, better tackler, better clearance player, better kick, better hand baller and a better kick for goal.
Miles would also help increase our free kick count as he is prone to getting his head knocked as he’s always first to the footy and unlike Conca which just waits for his opponent to get the ball so he can lay an uncoordinated tackle and give away another crucial free kick.
So just to clarify, who is the better kick? :lol
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I think Miles is a better footballer to be honest but they're totally different players.
Yes Miles wins frees, Conca gives them away... :shh
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One does what Dimma wants, the other doesn't
What Dimma wants Dimma gets :shh
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Dimma was a dopey sniping back pocket plodder who most admires players similar to himself.... needs to start listening to the real coach Caracella again.... :shh
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Dimma was a dopey sniping back pocket plodder who most admires players similar to himself.... needs to start listening to the real coach Caracella again.... :shh
"Dimma" can be exchanged for Clarkson/Thompson/Sheedy/Malthouse and that statement more or less holds true.
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They were all smarter players than Dimma and with the possibe exception of Clarkson considerably more talented...... :shh
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I thought Prestia took Miles place in the team so Im perplexed to why Anthony doesn't play when Dion is injured.
How many times have we heard Hardwick say in his press conference " I have a wonderful player ( Miles ) killing it in the VFL who can't get a game "
I like the energy Conca brings but boy oh boy does he butcher the ball . Surprised Concas still standing to be honest usually breaks down by now .
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I think Miles is a better footballer to be honest but they're totally different players.
Exactly. That’s why Miles should be playing instead of Conca because he’s a different player and better
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I think Miles is a better footballer to be honest but they're totally different players.
Exactly. That’s why Miles should be playing instead of Conca because he’s a different player and better
Uninformed comment.
Say what you want about Conca but the guy has a bit of toe and puts in effort defensively. Runs very hard defensively despite his limitations. Plays a completely different role to Miles.
They are not a like for like swap. It's like saying Garthwaite is a better footballer, is in good form & should replace Conca. While the first 2 parts could be true...the 3rd and final part is about the role they play. Completely different.
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Garthwaite would probably be a better midfielder than Plonca... :shh
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I think Miles is a better footballer to be honest but they're totally different players.
Exactly. That’s why Miles should be playing instead of Conca because he’s a different player and better
Uninformed comment.
Say what you want about Conca but the guy has a bit of toe and puts in effort defensively. Runs very hard defensively despite his limitations. Plays a completely different role to Miles.
They are not a like for like swap. It's like saying Garthwaite is a better footballer, is in good form & should replace Conca. While the first 2 parts could be true...the 3rd and final part is about the role they play. Completely different.
Not that hard......
Conca plays midfield at times and Miles plays midfield too. Not that different if you think about it.
Miles is better at it than Conca and doesn’t butcher the ball as much and is better at clearance work.
.......Pretty simple really. :shh
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:shh
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Miles is slow (slower than Conca) for AFL, sloppy hands for an inside mid and also messy by foot. Conca is better defensively IMO, and a better tackler.
Granted I'd like to see Miles come in for a run.
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Conca is not defensively better than Miles. Conca's kicking efficiency is very poor. Conca's defensive efforts were exposed against the Saints. Play Miles. He is a proven clearance winner and is also good at winning contested football. Miles is an okay kick for goal as well. Miles would relieve the pressure on other players like Dustin and Cotchin who constantly have to clean up Conca's mistakes.
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Miles is slow (slower than Conca) for AFL, sloppy hands for an inside mid and also messy by foot. Conca is better defensively IMO, and a better tackler.
Granted I'd like to see Miles come in for a run.
You must watch different games to me!
Conca is faster, has better evasive ability but is a worse decision maker, panics more and fluffs kicks more....
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Miles is slow (slower than Conca) for AFL, sloppy hands for an inside mid and also messy by foot. Conca is better defensively IMO, and a better tackler.
Granted I'd like to see Miles come in for a run.
You must watch different games to me!
Conca is faster, has better evasive ability but is a worse decision maker, panics more and fluffs kicks more....
Its pretty clear we all watch different games.
Also, nothing you've said contradicts my thoughts. Agree regarding Conca's decision making. Disagree regarding his disposal. I can't understand why people romanticise Miles use. He's very poor by hand and worse than average by foot. The main reason why he doesn't get regular ones.
Conca has a much higher ceiling, and probably as the club has invested more in him gets more of a run.
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Conca is not defensively better than Miles. Conca's kicking efficiency is very poor. Conca's defensive efforts were exposed against the Saints. Play Miles. He is a proven clearance winner and is also good at winning contested football. Miles is an okay kick for goal as well. Miles would relieve the pressure on other players like Dustin and Cotchin who constantly have to clean up Conca's mistakes.
:clapping
....or when a player has to beat more than one opponents because he’s (Conca) kicked it your direction even though your grossly outnumbered, like when Macintosh had to beat three on the wing in the first quarter. :rollin
Great effort by Macca he actually did win the contest in the end. :clapping :clapping :clapping
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Miles is slow (slower than Conca) for AFL, sloppy hands for an inside mid and also messy by foot. Conca is better defensively IMO, and a better tackler.
Granted I'd like to see Miles come in for a run.
You must watch different games to me!
Conca is faster, has better evasive ability but is a worse decision maker, panics more and fluffs kicks more....
Its pretty clear we all watch different games.
Also, nothing you've said contradicts my thoughts. Agree regarding Conca's decision making. Disagree regarding his disposal. I can't understand why people romanticise Miles use. He's very poor by hand and worse than average by foot. The main reason why he doesn't get regular ones.
Conca has a much higher ceiling, and probably as the club has invested more in him gets more of a run.
The main reason he doesn't get a game is because of his run and spread. He told this to us at a coterie function. He's been working on that aspect of his game.
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I really like Miles, but he doesn't have a lot of versatility.
He reminds me of Mark McGough. When the conditions suit him, he is a star, and 45 years ago when games were played in much wetter conditions on average than they are today, he would have been a great player. But unfortunately, as someone else on here has posted previously, he is a victim of climate change. He can't adapt his game sufficiently to the modern game.
I really hope I am wrong, but unless Miles can add some tricks to his repertoire he is not going to have much of a future.
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anthony miles is a quality player. do people have short memories of how his inclusion in 2014 catapulted us to win 9 in a row? can extract the pill and feed it to outside runners. something we could have used when we got pants by the eagles.
Can snag the odd goal and also averaged 20+ possessions when given a far run at it, something conca has never done.
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People questioning miles versatility....what is conca so versatile in that gets him a game ahead of miles? Sure concas played as a small defender previously but that’s hardly his role atm and nor should it be with Rance, astbury, grimes, broad, vlastuin, Houli and short filling those roles. Fwd? Both players hit the scoreboard equally rarely. So we’re left with midfield where miles is by far the better clearance and contested ball winner - something we could definitely use atm especially with Prestia out. Conca is leading us in tackles so it’s pretty obvious that’s the reason he keeps getting picked.
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Miles could play forward occasionally, good set shot and would at least win frees if not contests....Conca on the other hand is even worse in defence than he is in the guts but hey, if being woeful & a liability in more than one position counts for "versatility" then yes, Conca has Miles well & truly covered.... :shh
EDIT: Should point out that I'm not really a fan of Miles these days either.....was huge in 2014-15....but both the game and our gameplan have for the most part passed him by.....
...the real issue in all this is how much CEllis' lack of progression has stuffed things up in relation to our midfield depth.... :shh :shh
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People questioning miles versatility....what is conca so versatile in that gets him a game ahead of miles?
I assume you are referring to my quote?
I never mentioned Conca in my quote, and wasn't making any suggestion about why Conca gets a game ahead of him. I was focussing on Miles and wondering why he doesn't get a game fullstop, not even considering Conca.
To me the comparison between them is not accurate because they are different types of players who bring different strengths to the team. I don't really see them fighting over the same spot. I see Miles as being the understudy to Cotchin, although his game is more limited than Cotch's. I am not sure I understand who Conca has replaced.
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Some players are just stiff because the coach doesn’t like them for some reason.
Terry Keays v Allan (imtoosenile) Jeans.
Jamie Tape v Robert (ididntwanttocoachanymorebuttooktherichmondjob) Walls. :banghead
Jason Torney v Jeff (mrgimmick) Gieschen.
Shane Tuck v Danny (crybaby) Frawley.
Mark Chaffey v Terry (itwasntmyfault) Wallace.
.....just to name a few. :rollin
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Hardwick and Tuck didn't exactly have a lot of chemistry either
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Hardwick and Tuck didn't exactly have a lot of chemistry either
Played the poor guy with his shoulder stuffed IIRC.
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Tuck would do well with the current game plan. Skilled kicking is not as in demand. Running and pressure is.
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And his defensive running (or lack thereof) was why Dimma had him in the 2's for so long.
I loved Tuckster though.
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Um not sure of the relevance of this discussion :-\
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What discussion
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What discussion
RC v AM
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I think the point of it is people hate Reece Conca and want him out. So they've randomly decided Anthony Miles is the logical replacement despite the only time they have any similarity whatsoever is when Conca goes into the midfield...therefore Miles must come in for Conca because Conca is poo and plays in the midfield every now and then.
School boy argument really.
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Me thinks you're correct AT
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Baker should play before either of them.#nextzorko :shh
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Nil all draw :P.
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I’d still rather Miles. Wins more ball and doesn’t give straight back to the opposition. Sneaks up forwards for the odd goal. Better than Conca by the length of the mcg.
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I’d still rather Miles. Wins more ball and doesn’t give straight back to the opposition. Sneaks up forwards for the odd goal. Better than Conca by the length of the mcg.
That's fine but Conca is better than half our team so what's the point?
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I’d still rather Miles. Wins more ball and doesn’t give straight back to the opposition. Sneaks up forwards for the odd goal. Better than Conca by the length of the mcg.
That's fine but Conca is better than half our team so what's the point?
Conca and Miles were poor
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I’d still rather Miles. Wins more ball and doesn’t give straight back to the opposition. Sneaks up forwards for the odd goal. Better than Conca by the length of the mcg.
That's fine but Conca is better than half our team so what's the point?
Our AFLW team?
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Both not up to it with limitations,but Conca has had the first half of the season Miles one game.Big jump from vfl to afl.If we want to get better both need to be replaced.
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I’d still rather Miles. Wins more ball and doesn’t give straight back to the opposition. Sneaks up forwards for the odd goal. Better than Conca by the length of the mcg.
That's fine but Conca is better than half our team so what's the point?
Did you post that drunk?
*ahem* anyway...
Baker should play before either of them.#nextzorko :shh
:shh :shh
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Watching Conca butcher so many kicks is excruciating.
Jack Graham back in for Conca please
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Watching Conca butcher so many kicks is excruciating.
Jack Graham back in for Conca please
JG is hardly better by foot. Very messy (unless he's kicking for goal in GF's :rollin)
Conca giving me greys last night. John butchered it last night, worse than usual.
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Graham ain't exactly Leon Cameron but his kicking is still several levels above Conca's... :shh
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Watching Conca butcher so many kicks is excruciating.
Jack Graham back in for Conca please
JG is hardly better by foot. Very messy (unless he's kicking for goal in GF's :rollin)
Conca giving me greys last night. John butchered it last night, worse than usual.
Graham is one of the best field kicks in our side. I just wished that he was not given as many run with roles and thus got the ball more often.
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Watching Conca butcher so many kicks is excruciating.
Jack Graham back in for Conca please
JG is hardly better by foot. Very messy (unless he's kicking for goal in GF's :rollin)
Conca giving me greys last night. John butchered it last night, worse than usual.
Graham is one of the best field kicks in our side. I just wished that he was not given as many run with roles and thus got the ball more often.
Agree Graham is a very good kick.
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Angus? Yes he was
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Would've been funnier if you'd said Mark.... :shh
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Mark probably is a better kick than Jack/Angus :shh
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Conca has more upside, just needs to get it together and fix his disposal.
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Watching Conca butcher so many kicks is excruciating.
Jack Graham back in for Conca please
JG is hardly better by foot. Very messy (unless he's kicking for goal in GF's :rollin)
Conca giving me greys last night. John butchered it last night, worse than usual.
Graham is one of the best field kicks in our side. I just wished that he was not given as many run with roles and thus got the ball more often.
We clearly watch different games every week doc.
Staggered you could make that call. JG is barely a tier above your McIntosh/Conca typws for field kicking imo.
One of the main reasons he didnt go higher im the draft as I understand.
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Watching Conca butcher so many kicks is excruciating.
Jack Graham back in for Conca please
JG is hardly better by foot. Very messy (unless he's kicking for goal in GF's :rollin)
Conca giving me greys last night. John butchered it last night, worse than usual.
Graham is one of the best field kicks in our side. I just wished that he was not given as many run with roles and thus got the ball more often.
We clearly watch different games every week doc.
Staggered you could make that call. JG is barely a tier above your McIntosh/Conca typws for field kicking imo.
One of the main reasons he didnt go higher im the draft as I understand.
I go and watch him live most weeks including away games in Melbourne. His field kicking is usually hard and low hitting guys lace out. Occasionally his kicks may be intercepted because of the fact they travel low. Not sure what matches you have been watching Dougey. He isn't anywhere near as good on his left though but can at least kick the ball with it.
Worst field kicks in our side are Reece, Kane and Kamdyn. Edwards can have matches where he shanks them all over the place but other times he does amazing things. Dusty has amazing field kicking when going for 50-60m passes and not so good at 25-30m dinky passes.
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Castagna wants a word
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Reece’s kicking is stuffing woeful
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FWIW, RC is the best 25 yo AFL player at momentum killing his team. For this, he would have received 3 votes on the weekend.
But I hope you’re right, I really do
edited to remove the quoted posts that have been removed
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SNIP :banghead
Not on the forum last night, sit down this morning to find post after post of sniping, baiting and people clearly having broken site rules :banghead
First and only warning
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Would've been funnier if you'd said Mark.... :shh
Has anyone actually seen him get a kick?