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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on November 29, 2019, 11:03:49 AM
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How did we all rate our 2019 recruiting effort?
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National Draft
21. Thomson Dow - Midfielder/Forward, 18, 182cm, 72kg, Bendigo Pioneers/Vic Country
43. Noah Cumberland - Medium utility, 18, 183cm, 79kg, Brisbane Lions Academy/Allies
44. William Martyn - Midfielder/forward, 18, 183cm, 73kg, Brisbane Lions Academy/Allies
46. Hugo Ralphsmith - Outside mid/medium forward, 18, 186cm, 70kg, Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
54. Bigoa Nyuon - General defender, 18, 195cm, 87kg, Dandenong Stingrays
Future picks
2020 round two draft selection (via Collingwood and linked to St Kilda)
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OUTS:
Our 2020 round two draft selection to Collingwood (live pick swap)
Brandon Ellis (free agent to Suns)
Dan Butler (trade to St Kilda)
Connor Menadue (delisted)
Callum Moore (delisted)
Jacob Townsend (delisted)
Mav Weller (retired)
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St Kilda's second rounder is a nice little win. Could be just a pick our two after our first next year ;)
Otherwise I'm not over the moon, but I have faith in our recruiters that they've found a player or two. Would love to shove it up the Scraggers if we end up with the better Dow :rollin
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Very happy
We went down the long term path as opposed to the short term
When you've won 2 flags in 3 years, have your core group still young enough to continue to challenge for a few more years that's what you do
:clapping
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I gave them 2/10.
Reason being they did nothing in trading pre draft. They also failed to get us an earlier pick in the draft. They just sat back and felt sorry for themselves regarding the compo pick.
In terms of the players drafted its an all or nothing job
Dow has good hands in close but what else? 3 players taken from acadamies where both Brisbane andcSt Kilda were not prepared to match even with rubbish picks as late as 59+.
I fear that if this draft doesnt go well we could end up with 0 players from this years trade and draft effort
Whilst we are ok in 2020 and 2021 if none of them come through we will be scrambling to maintain our position in 3 or 4 years time.
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Words.
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. Would love to shove it up the Scraggers if we end up with the better Dow :rollin
Why would Footscray care? :huh
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Words.
But True Words
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We clearly went for potential over performance...reckon we didn't really rate this draft crop so just threw caution to the wind a bit..because we're probably in a position where we can for at least one draft..speed, agility, quick hands & flash (or "x-factor" as the kids say) were clearly the priority...if it turns out the gamble doesn't pay off , well it's one year in a successful era and on the back of a streak of good draft results.... so it likely won't have too much of an effect - it's when you start stuffing it up nearly every year or every other year like we used to, that it starts to become a problem and effect the club long term....at least we still have all of next year's picks and almost certainly moved up in the second round with the pick traded from Collingwood being tied to the St. Kilda... :shh
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. Would love to shove it up the Scraggers if we end up with the better Dow :rollin
Why would Footscray care? :huh
Touche'.
Scum, scraggers. All the same to me.
(Except they arn't)
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Maurice Rioli Jnr and Baxter will cost us when clubs bid for them. We wont have a strong draft position next year either unless we trade out players.
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Maurice Rioli Jnr and Baxter will cost us when clubs bid for them. We wont have a strong draft position next year either unless we trade out players.
At this stage we won't have to give up much or MRJr. We have an extra (likely) early 2nd rounder. We are in an excellent position.
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I'd say the club is well aware of and across these things Ramps...stop being a Chicken Little about everything.... :shh
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Not being a chicken little. Im disappointed with our efforts over the last few weeks.
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Someones giving them a big fat ZERO. And people thiink im harsh lol.
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Drafting 5 more teenagers would free up our TPP somewhat. It won't be surprising if we target a free agent next year. So I can understand the strategy for this draft if that's the way we go next year. All about long-term planning. The answer we won't know for 3-5 years.
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Can't really rate it until we see them play and develop.
We got screwed with the Ellis compo but, you can't win a flag and expect to have 5 top 20 picks either.
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These are inspired picks, just take a good look at the skill set of these boys and just consider them doing those things on the big stage and you can't miss the potential upside to these kids.
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Really....
Trust the boys
Baby don’t you panic
We are on a roll
We seem to have recruited speed
Just sit back and enjoy our next 2 flags
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Really....
Trust the boys
Baby don’t you panic
We are on a roll
We seem to have recruited speed
Just sit back and enjoy our next 2 flags
:thumbsup
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If your going to rate the new crop because clubs didn't take them tied to there academy that's a silly assumptions we draft to our style and game plan.
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I gave them 2/10.
Reason being they did nothing in trading pre draft. They also failed to get us an earlier pick in the draft. They just sat back and felt sorry for themselves regarding the compo pick.
In terms of the players drafted its an all or nothing job
Dow has good hands in close but what else? 3 players taken from acadamies where both Brisbane andcSt Kilda were not prepared to match even with rubbish picks as late as 59+.
I fear that if this draft doesnt go well we could end up with 0 players from this years trade and draft effort
Whilst we are ok in 2020 and 2021 if none of them come through we will be scrambling to maintain our position in 3 or 4 years time.
LOL, you numpty
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I gave them 2/10.
Reason being they did nothing in trading pre draft. They also failed to get us an earlier pick in the draft. They just sat back and felt sorry for themselves regarding the compo pick.
In terms of the players drafted its an all or nothing job
Dow has good hands in close but what else? 3 players taken from acadamies where both Brisbane andcSt Kilda were not prepared to match even with rubbish picks as late as 59+.
I fear that if this draft doesnt go well we could end up with 0 players from this years trade and draft effort
Whilst we are ok in 2020 and 2021 if none of them come through we will be scrambling to maintain our position in 3 or 4 years time.
I can see what you're saying and I agree to some extent re: academy players. Truth is there are some fans that think they should have matched and plenty that aren't bothered/are happy for the blokes.
Ultimately these are players that might suit our club better than their academy clubs. Good players don't always succeed at new clubs (guys like Carlisle, Stringer etc) and average players can improve or thrive in a new one depending on the club itself (our own examples are guys like Houli, Grigg etc).
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I gave them 2/10.
Reason being they did nothing in trading pre draft. They also failed to get us an earlier pick in the draft. They just sat back and felt sorry for themselves regarding the compo pick.
In terms of the players drafted its an all or nothing job
Dow has good hands in close but what else? 3 players taken from acadamies where both Brisbane andcSt Kilda were not prepared to match even with rubbish picks as late as 59+.
I fear that if this draft doesnt go well we could end up with 0 players from this years trade and draft effort
Whilst we are ok in 2020 and 2021 if none of them come through we will be scrambling to maintain our position in 3 or 4 years time.
LOL, you numpty
In 3 or 4 years time youll probably be agreeing with me. Big chance some of these guys would have been delisted already. We'll see.
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I gave them 2/10.
Reason being they did nothing in trading pre draft. They also failed to get us an earlier pick in the draft. They just sat back and felt sorry for themselves regarding the compo pick.
In terms of the players drafted its an all or nothing job
Dow has good hands in close but what else? 3 players taken from acadamies where both Brisbane andcSt Kilda were not prepared to match even with rubbish picks as late as 59+.
I fear that if this draft doesnt go well we could end up with 0 players from this years trade and draft effort
Whilst we are ok in 2020 and 2021 if none of them come through we will be scrambling to maintain our position in 3 or 4 years time.
LOL, you numpty
In 3 or 4 years time youll probably be agreeing with me. Big chance some of these guys would have been delisted already. We'll see.
OK, I will bookmark it
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OK, here's some info from someone well connected in the game in QLD
"theres a lot of referencing Richmond as the benchmark. Some good intel on the lions academy boys we took. 1. They were the best two in their academy but both pure mids which brisbane have 14 of on their list. Tigers super smart and worked the vein. AfLq stoked that their development program enticed Richmond. I.e they want the academy's producing football talent for the game rather than the club. Noah Cumberland had to be cajoled to stay in the game from u16 onward cause hes an apprentice stonemason doing 12 hour days then training and games and was completely stuffed for 3 years. Should thrive getting paid to train and not humping rocks all day. Will Martyns 18th year was relatively underwhelming but 15, 16 and 17th year was exceptional"
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Thanks Tax, that's great to hear
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I gave them 2/10.
Reason being they did nothing in trading pre draft. They also failed to get us an earlier pick in the draft. They just sat back and felt sorry for themselves regarding the compo pick.
In terms of the players drafted its an all or nothing job
Dow has good hands in close but what else? 3 players taken from acadamies where both Brisbane andcSt Kilda were not prepared to match even with rubbish picks as late as 59+.
I fear that if this draft doesnt go well we could end up with 0 players from this years trade and draft effort
Whilst we are ok in 2020 and 2021 if none of them come through we will be scrambling to maintain our position in 3 or 4 years time.
Dont forget we also essentially ended up with the Aints 2nd rounder in 2020, win the flag & our 2nd rounder is 36, Aints could be as low as 19, most likely they will finish around 14th so our pick improves 12 or 13 spots
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Just had a read of the lions forums on big footy. One of the mods there has said that the two boys we picked up would have been list cloggers and thats why Brisbane didnt match. In the end time will reveal all.
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You shouldn’t listen to numpties on forums Ramps
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Ok
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AFL draft gurus assess every club’s draft haul – and there’s some clear standouts
November 30, 2019
Sarah Olle
FOX SPORTS
And who better to break down your club’s draft haul than AFL Talent Ambassador Kevin Sheehan and WA Talent Pathways Manager Michael Ablett?
Mick’s take:
Obviously the Tigers don’t need to replenish their list, do they? They were outstanding. They’ve got Thompson Dow, who we mentioned got taken a little bit early. Noah Cumberland and Will Martyn, they’re two of the Brisbane Lions’ Academy products. And Hugo Ralphsmith, an absolute bargain. Biggy Nyuon, he’s great for the game and great for the NGA programs. To see a second Sudanese player on Richmond’s list will be exciting for future football at Tigerland.
https://www.stuff-of-the-2019-afl-draft-your-afl-clubs-draft-picks-kevin-sheehan-michael-ablett/news-story/e57d06eae432a1c1b3430b9a786a7063
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Buckenara says: The Tigers obviously spent a lot of the year watching the NEAFL after nabbing Brisbane Academy players Noah Cumberland and Will Martyn.
Thomson Dow is a good pick as an exciting midfielder with a burst of speed and he plays differently to his brother, Carlton’s Paddy Dow. He needs to build up his body (currently only 72kg) but because he’s more of an outside midfielder who can drift forward, he could get a taste of senior footy next year depending on his VFL form.
Hugo Ralphsmith, son of my former teammate Sean Ralphsmith, was a bit of a slider who has the same competitiveness as his dad. He’s a late developer who will need time but I thought he’d be taken earlier. Bigoa Nyuon is a project player who is very athletic as a ruckman with a big leap.
Buckenara’s verdict: Got a bit of everything and given the strength of their list, will invest time in these guys to develop them for the future.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-draft-2019-recruiter-gary-buckenara-analyses-every-clubs-draft-haul/news-story/8297e3537e8e4f72b71185eca7a87bd3
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Agree with ramps. We needed to get another pick in the early twenties or at least tried to improve our first rounder.
Kemp, Stephens, Dekoning were all there until pick 15 a small upgrade even would have seen one of them at Richmond.
For me Robertson was easily the best mid left and personally would have taken Rivers in front of Dow as well.For me Robertson and Rivers if we managed to trade into the second round would have been great.
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For me, before the draft I was looking for a couple of talls (mainly defensive) and more big-bodied mids.
In that sense I'm a little bit disappointed but......
Taking Dow is a decision of the selectors opinion of taking him rather than Robertson. Similar styles and same height.
They have also taken him over Worrell who would have been my only other option as a tall pick.
After the picks since 2014, you've got to trust the recruiters to back their judgement.
I do in their choice of Dow and can also see the idea of some posters that he is a replacement in time of Edwards/Cotchin.
I like Ralphsmith as a hard working, tough midfielder so that fills my needs.
I also like Biggy as an athletic tall defender to replace Grimes in time as the third back. I had hoped Chol would fill this spot but he seems determined to only preform in the forward line.
The two Brisbane boys are in the same type of mould as Dow as midfield replacements in time and again I'll back the recruiters.
Essentially we've taken 3 juniors to fill one or two upcoming holes in the midfield.
We only have Grathwaite, Miller and Balta as back-ups for Astbury and Rance. It's not urgent yet but does need to be looked at in the coming couple of years.
Garthwaite is a competent back but not on the same scale as Astbury or Rance as yet. Miller is nowhere near it yet and Balta seems too flighty to play in defence.
The next year or so will tell the story on these players and our needs.
Given that we got screwed on the Ellis free agency and there seemed a plan for other clubs to not deal with us in case we made them look stupid, I think we did as well as could be expected from the draft.
I would give us a pass mark of around 6 or 7 at this stage but the true value of our effort will only come out in the next 2 or 3 years as they develop.
Edit: I hope we keep in touch with Tom Green. Would be unlikely to get much of a run at GWS in the next couple of years and should be at his rightful home at Richmond.
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Bit to much whinging in the is topic.We were premier's keep that perpective and on top of that as mentioned screwed with compo pick we did very well. Our second pick come at what 41 which is a joke pushed back with all this academy stuff.To say Roberston was better pick then Dow very naive 17 clubs passed up on him and he was suppose to be top 10 to 15 if your going to look at it your way Claw.We have won 2 flags in 3 years back our football department fullstop.
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M: The Tigers also flew under the radar a bit, but I like their haul. They got players who, again, need some development, but given where their list is at they can afford to do that, and are building with an eye to the future.
J: In terms of standout picks, ... Hugo Ralphsmith to Richmond at pick 46 ... we haven’t talked about elsewhere that I really rated,
M: Dow was another one several clubs were keen on, so again, Richmond had to take him there if they wanted him because he wouldn’t have been there at their next pick 39.
Also, if they wanted a balanced, explosive midfielder, there weren’t too many others around – so it makes sense to take Dow over someone like Dev Robertson.
J: ... Dow I’m a little surprised is the type of player Richmond felt they needed.
We know Philp is someone they had in mind at that pick, and probably someone they were confident would be available.
I’m always intrigued by how clubs make quick decisions when the rug is pulled out from under them like that – looking forward to seeing how he develops over time.
Wouldn’t it be great if he makes a Round 1 debut up against his brother Paddy for the MCG season opener? That would add some spice.
https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/12/02/bolters-sliders-and-everything-in-between-a-conversation-about-the-2019-afl-draft/
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Callum Twomey and Riley Beveridge's draft review podcast:
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-12-03/listen-drafts-biggest-winners-biggest-shock-new-bidding-tactic
Dow: He presents a different mix to the mids Richmond has drafted in recent years (RCD, Ross). More athletic than his brother and can win the ball both on the inside and outside. Paddy is more frenetic - see ball, get ball. The knock on Dow is his inconsistency.
Cumberland, Martyn: The Lions wouldn't have been expecting 3 bids on their Academy kids within 7 picks (Essendon made a bid as well). Brisbane didn't have the room on their list given they had a pretty successful year. Beveridge asked Twomey if Richmond has a spy within Brisbane's Academy as we also got Chol a couple of years ago from up there. Twomey just replied that it's a credit to Queensland football that AFL clubs are now interested in their talent.
Nyuon: St Kilda were hoping for Biggie to fall through to the rookie draft so they could then list him as a Category B rookie and hence gain a player outside of their salary cap. So us bidding stuffed up their plans. The Saints weren't going to match a bid.
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Why did the Tigers leave WA gun Deven Robertson on the draft shelf?
Cal Twomey and Riley Beveridge analyse the Tigers' draft:
VIDEO: https://www.afl.com.au/video/267067/why-did-the-tigers-leave-wa-gun-on-draft-shelf?videoId=267067&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1575608400001&tagNames=ProgramType:Programs&references=AFL_COMPETITION:1 (https://www.afl.com.au/video/267067/why-did-the-tigers-leave-wa-gun-on-draft-shelf?videoId=267067&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1575608400001&tagNames=ProgramType:Programs&references=AFL_COMPETITION:1)