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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 04, 2020, 03:25:54 PM
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Re-sign or let go? Your club's out-of-contract players
Marc McGowan
afl.com.au
4 October 2020
Richmond
Out of contract: Jake Aarts, Nathan Broad, Riley Collier-Dawkins, Derek Eggmolesse-Smith, Luke English, Ryan Garthwaite, Bachar Houli, Oleg Markov, Ben Miller, Toby Nankervis, Marlion Pickett, Fraser Turner
Broad, Houli and Nankervis have generated the most media coverage, with all being either linked to other clubs or considered a trade target. Nankervis told AFL.com.au he wanted to stay at Tigerland, and his internal value soared when Ivan Soldo suffered an ACL rupture. Callum Coleman-Jones' suspension could be another factor, too. Top-20 pick Collier-Dawkins is yet to debut in his first two seasons but is set to score a two-year extension, while Aarts is discussing a deal of the same length. Markov and Eggmolesse-Smith have emerged this year as players of interest to other clubs. Grand Final hero Pickett and the others must wait for the list sizes decision.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/512547/re-sign-or-let-go-your-club-s-out-of-contract-players
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Nank priority.
I like Broad a lot.
Markov showed enough.
The rest can go
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What is going on with RCD? mixed messages, you would think he would be given a go, so he must not be up for it or his attitude is wrong, being our first pick from ? 2 years ago?
I thought he had shown enough in the VFL, but obviously not.
So do we delist him?
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Considering Corey Ellis got 27 games for us (6 games in 2017 and 4 games in 2018) and has proven to be a bust even with our successful development program only managed 4 games with the gold coast.
Is it that hard to get a game? Not for Jack Ross that was drafted the same year.
It’s not like he’s not had midfield opportunities. Our match selection haven’t been shy to give a player a game if warranted.
Possibly there’s something we’re missing.
All I can say is when he finally gets his opportunity in the senior team let’s hope he proves to everyone how wrong the match committee has been.
He did look great in the vfl grand final but Currently it looks at though we got the selection very wrong.
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Except for Aarts who's 25 and been in the VFL for years, nobody else has debuted this year...club's probably been hesitant to chuck untried kids in because they haven't played any serious, competitive footy all year...if we were in the midst of a rebuild and not at the pointy end of the ladder. were every match is crucial , even more so in a shortened season, it might be different... :shh
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Except for Aarts who's 25 and been in the VFL for years, nobody else has debuted this year...club's probably been hesitant to chuck untried kids in because they haven't played any serious, competitive footy all year...if we were in the midst of a rebuild and not at the pointy end of the ladder. were every match is crucial , even more so in a shortened season, it might be different... :shh
Thomson Dow ?
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Damn...completely forgot about him....probably because he did stuff all.....oh well there goes that theory then...(https://7img.net/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/202724.gif)(https://7img.net/users/3115/50/25/04/smiles/3101536224.gif) :shh
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Trade Period state of play: Your club's targets, who's on the table
Callum Twomey
afl.com.au
26 October 2020
Richmond
Indicative draft picks: 19, 32, 55, 73, 91
Who they're after: It has been mainly about retention for the Tigers this season as they slowly but surely re-sign their key players, including Toby Nankervis and Jack Graham recently. They were linked as an interested party to Adelaide free agent Brad Crouch but that did not get far down the line.
Who's on the table: Nathan Broad is out of contract and has been floated to rivals however he may still remain at Tigerland. Jack Higgins has a year to run on his contract but has attracted interest after dropping out of the senior side. Gold Coast is keen on Oleg Markov and could give him more senior opportunities.
Who's in limbo: Bachar Houli is waiting on a contract offer from Richmond but wants to stay at the club next year despite Essendon making him a target. Marlion Pickett wants to stay but is also without a new deal, as are Jake Aarts, Derek Eggmolesse-Smith, Ryan Garthwaite and youngster Ben Miller.
Who's already gone: No one
Dream trade period: Not expecting Richmond to be overly active in the exchange period with such a settled list. Some depth may seek opportunities elsewhere, but the Tigers have players who will be ready to fill the void if Broad and Higgins depart.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/522633/trade-period-state-of-play-your-club-s-targets-who-s-on-the-table
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We can afford to trade Pickett.
It’s been nice but he really isn’t as good as I thought he was going to be.
I think the B & F votes showed as much.
Any of the youngsters would be mad to leave now. Markov, CCJ, RCD, Aarts, Ross, etc.
When your given the opportunity make it count and the club will back you in as we’ve seen time and again.
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On this Monday’s episode of the Hard Ball Gets AFL Show, Matthew Richardson told The West Australian’s Chris Robinson that he’s confident the Tigers are better placed than any previous group to run it back in 2021, with the same side that dominated on the weekend.
I think they can,” Richardson said, “I just read online that Marlion Pickett has a two-year contract on the table.
“He was one that potentially was one that maybe the Dockers or the Eagles were looking at and has family connections in WA, but I think he’ll re-sign.
“I also just have a feeling that Bachar Houli will go around again, there’s no one else from that team that won’t be there next year.
“They’ll all be there and if they’re all there then they have a chance to play together again. Now that was the case after 2017 and it didn’t happen.
“I think everyone else is contracted, I think Nathan Broad is out of contract but will stay. So they’re not going to lose anyone else, they might around the fringes but not the 22. It’s a chance.”
https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/hard-ball-gets-richmond-great-matthew-richardson-backs-all-22-premiership-tigers-to-return-next-afl-season-ng-b881704371z
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We dont need to do much. Sign Bolton and Balta to long term deals and then pick up 3 kids in the draft. Thats it really. No need to do more. We are huge chance again in 2021 with our list.
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We can afford to trade Pickett.
It’s been nice but he really isn’t as good as I thought he was going to be.
I think the B & F votes showed as much.
Any of the youngsters would be mad to leave now. Markov, CCJ, RCD, Aarts, Ross, etc.
When your given the opportunity make it count and the club will back you in as we’ve seen time and again.
Might be called a damn fool but I reckon that the penny dropped during the finals series - the last half vs Power and GF were very good.
He’s worked his game out this finals series and I’d hate to lose that benefit next year
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Bye:
DES
Turner
Garth
Miller
Higgins
?English
I want to retain Markov and Broad.
Houli...not sure about another year. Would prefer games going into Markov
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Doubt Miller will be delisted and if he is will likely be redrafted as a rookie - rated highly by the coaching staff ....not to mention Tom Lynch.... :shh
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Can anyone confirm where Rance's money will be used? Is it tying up other players or are we in a position to get a bigger trade or FA in future? Seems odd we lost Rance and aren't being spoken about replacing that contract for something similar?
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Until they determine list sizes who knows what's going to happen
But I reckon the rookie list which has served us so well is goneskis
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Pickett is not a four quarter player, in the VFL finals last year he only put in one quality game the rest were a good quarter or two.
Nothing changed this year as I cant recall a game where he has put together more than a good half of football.
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Can anyone confirm where Rance's money will be used? Is it tying up other players or are we in a position to get a bigger trade or FA in future? Seems odd we lost Rance and aren't being spoken about replacing that contract for something similar?
Rance coming back for another flag :rollin
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Julian DeStoop on SEN mentioned list sizes being reduced to either 40 or 42.
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Doubt Miller will be delisted and if he is will likely be redrafted as a rookie - rated highly by the coaching staff ....not to mention Tom Lynch.... :shh
Miller is very interesting.
Since joining us he has been mostly stuck at CHB learning the trade and really going nowhere.
I think he was getting a bit stale. Putting one foot forward and going back two.
Late last year he was given a few games playing in the ruck and responded well.
If the coaches do rate him it may be because of this.
Let the pressure off occasionally and just let him enjoy the game while he learns.
A contract renewal will tell the story.
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First two gone:
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/832224/richmond-announces-list-changes
Turner a bit stiff IMO but neither a real surprise... :shh
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I would have kept Turner rather than Naish. That latter has some deficiencies in the contested ball area that cant be fixed.
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Naish only staying so his brother Charlie will nominate us... :shh
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The price of reduced list sizes. English going is not a surprise given he couldn't get on the park but IMO Turner would've been kept on if list sizes had remained at 46.
So OUT: so far:
Gone:
Rance (retired)
English (delisted)
Turner (delisted)
Going:
Higgins (traded likely to the Saints)
Markov (traded likely to the Suns)
Whispers:
Broad (traded?)
IN:
Colina (B-cat. rookie)
MJR
Still a couple more to go if we need to get our list size down to 40-42 as well as trade someone in and at least use our first and second round picks in the draft aside from picking up MJR.
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Garth
Miller
Naish
DES trade or rookie
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Suprised on Turner really rated him.
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Broad staying at Richmond according to the Gold Coast club rep on SEN.
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Delisted Richmond player Fraser Turner will try to resurrect his AFL career in the Rookie Draft or by earning his stripes in a state league interstate and not in ...
https://www.themercury.com.au/sport/afl/tasmanian-tiger-fraser-turner-will-try-to-get-redrafted-after-being-cut-by-richmond/news-story/c0a34d7cfda3acc6c4c74343360b7620
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Blair Hartley said in an interview with abc that bachar is re-signing on a 1 year deal.
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Blair Hartley said in an interview with abc that bachar is re-signing on a 1 year deal.
Houli a Tiger through and through
Richmond list manager Blair Hartley has confirmed that triple premiership defender Bachar Houli will remain with the Tigers next season. He told the ABC's Corbin and Ben that the deal would be ticked off once the AFL and the Players' Association agreed on the 2021 TPP position.
That review is moving slowly but surely to a resolution with the most likely scenario at this stage in the negotiations being that both parties will settle on an agreement for one year only. This would enable them to manage the uncertainty better with the AFL being very conservative in their estimates and the players steadfast in their view they have made significant sacrifices.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-2020-live-updates-day-three-20201105-p56bv0.html
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Anthony Hudson on SEN just said the AFL & the clubs have had a zoom meeting today.
* 10% pay cut for the players.
* Unconfirmed list sizes of 38 + rookies.
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Anthony Hudson on SEN just said the AFL & the clubs have had a zoom meeting today.
* 10% pay cut for the players.
* Unconfirmed list sizes of 38 + rookies.
Did he say how many rookies?
Might be some tough calls required
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Nah. No mention of how many rookies there will be. There is still no final decision from the AFL on list sizes nor TPP even though we're almost through the trade period :-P.
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The Rookie list should be increased in my opinion , gives players a chance to stay on a list and prove themselves at a reduced cost to the clubs
Win win !
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While a deal is yet to be locked away, sources familiar with the situation said lists were likely to drop by two spots from this year to next.
As it stands, clubs have 44 players on their lists (inclusive of senior listed and Category A rookies) as well as up to three Category B rookies.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-lists-likely-to-be-cut-by-two-but-no-guarantees-following-meetings-20201110-p56dcx.html
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AFL close to list size cuts as end of trades looms
By Michael Gleeson
The Age
November 12, 2020
AFL club lists sizes will be cut to a minimum of 37 and a maximum of 44 players - including all rookies – next year.
The number of primary list players will be cut by two and the total rookie numbers by one from limits this year.
Sources close to the situation confirmed the AFL is close to agreement with the AFL Players Association on final list sizes with an announcement expected in the next week. Further meetings were due to be held with the AFL Players Association on Thursday.
The players union and the AFL had wanted to finalise the figures before the trade period ended.
The salary cap is also close to being finalised for next year with a cut of “about 10 per cent” to apply with sources saying the final number appears close to nine per cent with one per cent to retirement fund.
The AFL is likely to hand responsibility for applying the cut to player contracts to clubs and will not mandate the reduction as a flat across the board percentage.
This idea has angered clubs who believe it now opens up weeks and months of pain and renegotiation of contracts with players and player agents at a time when staffing at clubs has been slashed with the soft cap reduced clubs.
There is discussion about whether first and second year players will be quarantined from the cuts.
The maximum number of primary listed players on club lists will drop to between 36 and 38 down from 38 to 40 now.
The maximum number of primary-listed players a club can have is contingent on the number of rookies the club wishes to take. This year if a club had 38 primary-listed players they could have up to six rookies, if they had 40 on the primary list they could have up to 4 rookies for a maximum of 44 players. They could then have up to three Category B rookies on top of that.
Under the plan for next year that primary list figure has now been cut by two - to a maximum of 38 primary list players - and clubs can have up to a maximum of six rookies (four category A rookies and two category B rookies) for a total maximum of 44 players.
If a clubs has a full book of seven rookies (four category A and three Category B) they can have only 37 players on their primary list.
Category B rookies are the players coming to the AFL from outside the system – the overseas players or the soccer players or basketballers. This year clubs could have up to three Category B rookies next year it will be cut to two.
A club next year could have as few as 36 primary listed players but then they must also have at least one rookie – to get to the overall minimum figure of 37 players. Previously there was no requirement for a club to have any rookie listed players.
Player agents and some clubs were briefed on the likely changes on Wednesday.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-close-to-list-size-cuts-as-end-of-trades-looms-20201112-p56dw9.html
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So we have dropped two and Rance retired. Technically that's all we have to lose but I assume there will be more and we take on 2 draft picks. Generally myself I'd avoid the draft and take existing players. It's going to be a raffle and who knows of you'll get a buddy or a bomb
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Tom Morris said on Fox Footy tonight that it's only one mandatory pick in the draft this year instead of the usual three pick minimum.... :shh
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It is such a compromised draft this year as about half the top 30 are part of other clubs agency’s and then there is quite a few priority picks.
By the time it gets to our 2nd pick it will be equivalent to a 3rd round pick
I guess that’s why Richmond don’t seem as interested in this years draft
By trading a couple along with the delisting allows us to keep most our existing players.
The draft system has become a joke in so many ways, I hope it improves with the new changes and the sooner they make clubs pay for free agents the fair it will get.
At the moment usually uncontracted Best players go the best clubs from the weaker clubs
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If we only have to pick one then we've dropped traded retired 5. Do we have to lose any more, I don't think so. Looking at the RFC site we had 48. So take one pick and pray it's the next Nat Fife at pick 17.
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If lists are being reduced by two(?) we'll still have three spots...you'd think we'll draft at least two of which one will be MJ... like to see us re-draft Turner as a rookie but don't think we will....hopefully we'll also be able to snag Ethan Baxter as a Cat B rookie which falls outside the list restrictions... :shh
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We currently have 33 senior listed players and 7 rookies (including Cat B Mate Colina).
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=30409.msg683333#msg683333
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Does that equate to Maurice junior and two picks in the draft
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List sizes and pay deal confirmed:
Revealed: The full details in the new AFL pay deal
Tom Morris
November 18, 2020 1:34pm
FOX SPORTS
All AFL players will be asked to vote on a new pay deal in the next three days, which will see them receive a 3.5 per cent reduction across the board in 2021.
If approved by players, foxfooty.com.au understands there will be a nine per cent decrease to Total Player Payments, down to $13.17 million per club.
But not all players will cop the brunt of this nine per cent wage cut. Instead, decreases in list sizes and contracts for first-year players will fill the void.
— For players who had a contract for next year before COVID-19 hit, they will take a 3.5 per cent pay cut.
— For players who signed a deal after the mid-year contract freeze, there will be no wage reduction.
— For players who had a contract for 2021 and beyond before the COVID-19 break, they will cop a 3.5 per cent reduction next year, with clubs having the ability to shift their salary by a further five per cent in the later years of their contract.
It’s expected players will approve of the deal by a significant majority when the AFL Players’ Association takes each club through the details later this week.
There will also be a reduction of 10 per cent into the AFLPA’s retirement account, player development, union funding, injury account and others.
The AFL slashed each club’s soft cap by a whopping 30 per cent this year, leading to mass redundancies across the industry and dozens of assistant coaches out of work. But this relatively minor pay cut for players is a product of months of negotiations between Gillon McLachlan’s team and Paul Marsh’s team.
It’s understood that the players’ share of revenue will sore beyond 30 per cent in 2021 under this revised deal.
However, there will be a mechanism to capture any additional revenue above forecast. There will be a downside clause should COVID-19 have a significant impact on the AFL’s finances in 2021.
Put simply, there will be less money for players who are yet to find a home in 2021.
AFL player agents were briefed early on Wednesday afternoon regarding the changes.
Sources with knowledge of negotiations believe this deal is a win for players, who at one stage were facing a 15 to 20 per cent cut in salaries.
As first reported by foxfooty.com.au last Thursday, clubs will only be required to select a minimum of one player in December’s national draft, down from three.
Change in List Size numbers
2020 Total List Sizes: 38-47 | 2021 Total List Sizes: 37-44
2020 Primary List: 38-40 | 2021 Primary List: 36-38
2020 Cat A Rookies: 0-6 | 2021 Cat A Rookies: 0-6
2020 Cat B Rookies: 0-3 | 2021 Cat B Rookies: 0-2
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2020-salary-cap-list-sizes-2021-new-pay-deal-cuts-loom-for-players/news-story/d8d8a781381383f77cbb76a8cb0fa310
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Don't see Baker and Pickett remaining as rookies given they are dual premiership players. Surely they will be promoted.
That will still allow 3 National draft picks including MRJ.
So that would lead to 38 senior listed players: current 33 plus Baker, Pickett, MRJ, pick 17 and pick 36.
4 Cat-A rookies: Aarts, Chol, Stack plus rookie pick 18.
2 Cat-B rookies: Eggy, Colina.
Agree with Dio in that I wouldn't mind rookie-ing Fraser Turner.
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Don't see Baker and Pickett remaining as rookies given they are dual premiership players. Surely they will be promoted.
That will still allow 3 National draft picks including MRJ.
So that would lead to 38 senior listed players: current 33 plus Baker, Pickett, MRJ, pick 17 and pick 36.
4 Cat-A rookies: Aarts, Chol, Stack plus rookie pick 18.
2 Cat-B rookies: Eggy, Colina.
Agree with Dio in that I wouldn't mind rookie-ing Fraser Turner.
Will we be lucky enough to get MRJ without sacrificing 17 or 36 do you think?
Elsewise the rest sounds on point to me.
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If YBB was still around he'd probably be able to tell us....thanks again to whoever the lagging dog was... :thumbsdown
(though I guess there's no Club 80 function this year anyway.. :shh)
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So anyone know how many points are our current picks worth and how many would we need depending on where the bid for MJ came? :shh
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If YBB was still around he'd probably be able to tell us....thanks again to whoever the lagging dog was... :thumbsdown
(though I guess there's no Club 80 function this year anyway.. :shh)
agree top bloke.
wouldn't be hard to narrow it down :shh
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So anyone know how many points are our current picks worth and how many would we need depending on where the bid for MJ came? :shh
1,662
17 = 1,025
36 = 502
61 = 135
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If YBB was still around he'd probably be able to tell us....thanks again to whoever the lagging dog was... :thumbsdown
(though I guess there's no Club 80 function this year anyway.. :shh)
nothing to do with Club80 , the info he was apparently PM'ing around wasn't gained from a Club80 function.
We have NEVER been shown a list of the top 27 rated players as YBB said in his post.
The lagging dog (as you so eloquently put it) would probably have been from here & would have received a PM - he said himself he was sending them to all & sundry
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Yep, never been discussed at any Cub 80 functions I’ve been at .
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If YBB was still around he'd probably be able to tell us....thanks again to whoever the lagging dog was... :thumbsdown
(though I guess there's no Club 80 function this year anyway.. :shh)
nothing to do with Club80 , the info he was apparently PM'ing around wasn't gained from a Club80 function.
We have NEVER been shown a list of the top 27 rated players as YBB said in his post.
The lagging dog would have been from here & would have received a PM - he said himself he was sending them to all & sundry
A very unfair whack at Club80 for no reason
You've made an assumption and it is clearly wrong.
Just as there were assumption made at the time that were wrong.
And out of respect to YBBB I don't really think it needed to be dredged up again.
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I don't think YBBB would kick up a stink at Dio taking a potshot at the pee weak creature who dobbed him in. You should have issued a strike or whatever to whoever it was
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I don't think YBBB would kick up a stink at Dio taking a potshot at the pee weak creature who dobbed him in. You should have issued a strike or whatever to whoever it was
So tell me oh wise one how does one do what you've suggested if one doesn't know who did it?
And also please enlighten me as to what site rules were broken?
And finally I would hope that the the fact YBBB was so respected by most of us would be a good enough reason to not dredge up something that happened 12 months ago just in case YBBB comes by here sometimes and still reads OER. Think YBBB deserves better than that
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:shh
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First list lodgment due today
Wonder if we will make anymore changes?
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As I said at the time whoever did the dog on YBB probably knows him irl.. :shh
...and for once I wasn't actually having a crack at Club 80 or whatever coterie/ members thing it was where he got his info .... :shh :shh
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First list lodgment due today
Wonder if we will make anymore changes?
So no further changes it seems at this stage.
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First list lodgment due today
Wonder if we will make anymore changes?
So no further changes it seems at this stage.
Nothing on the RFC website.
Still no new contract news either on Houli, Garth and Miller.
The 2nd list lodgement date is next Friday.
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As I said at the time whoever did the dog on YBB probably knows him irl.. :shh
...and for once I wasn't actually having a crack at Club 80 or whatever coterie/ members thing it was where he got his info .... :shh :shh
:shh :shh :shh
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AFL finally announces 2021 list sizes and salary cuts
Justin Chadwick
AAP
Saturday, 21 November 2020
A new collective bargaining agreement has been put in place for the 2021 AFL season, with primary lists to be cut to 38 and player payments also reduced.
The variation for 2021 will see a reduction in Everything Paid to Players and the AFL Player’s Association (EPP&A) of 10 per cent, which includes a decrease in the Total Player Payments and Additional Services Agreement Limits for 2021 of nine per cent.
But because list sizes will also be reduced, it means individual players who are retained will have their pay cut in the vicinity of 3.5 per cent instead of nine per cent.
The total player payments for each club will be $12.1 million for the 2021 season, and the Additional Services Agreement Limit will be $1.09 million.
Each club must have a minimum of 37 players and a maximum of 44 players on their list, taking in all categories.
The primary list must have no less than 36 players and no more than 38 players.
The maximum number of Category A rookies will be four, five, or six depending on the number of primary list players. The maximum sum across those two lists can’t exceed 42.
Each club will be allowed a maximum of two category B rookies.
Funding for programs and services supporting players, including wellbeing, player development and the injury and hardship fund, remain unchanged.
Given the uncertainty of the impact COVID-19 will have on next season, the AFL and AFLPA have also agreed to a system for 2021 where players will share in the financial upside should actual industry football revenue exceed the AFL’s current forecast.
They will also share in a reduced amount should total industry revenue be lower than the AFL forecasts.
Under the revised agreement, the AFL and AFLPA have also agreed to establish a working party to explore future revenue generation opportunities such as a revised fixture and revised rules regarding independent agreements and commercial restrictions for players.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-finally-announces-2021-list-sizes-and-salary-cuts-c-1619521
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Don't see Baker and Pickett remaining as rookies given they are dual premiership players. Surely they will be promoted.
That will still allow 3 National draft picks including MRJ.
So that would lead to 38 senior listed players: current 33 plus Baker, Pickett, MRJ, pick 17 and pick 36.
4 Cat-A rookies: Aarts, Chol, Stack plus rookie pick 18.
2 Cat-B rookies: Eggy, Colina.
Agree with Dio in that I wouldn't mind rookie-ing Fraser Turner.
Will we be lucky enough to get MRJ without sacrificing 17 or 36 do you think?
Elsewise the rest sounds on point to me.
Callum Twomey on the AFL website reckons MRJ is unlikely to receive a bid :pray.
A number of other aligned players, including father-sons – Luke Edwards (Adelaide), Taj Schofield (Port Adelaide) and Maurice Rioli Jnr (Richmond) – are unlikely to attract bids until later or potentially go through as rookies.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/525039/big-draft-questions-no-1-chances-late-bolters-how-many-picks-more
Just as aside, we may leave that last rookie spot free and use the supplementary list (a la Stack). See how kids overlooked in the draft perform when they return to playing competitive footy again.
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First list lodgment due today
Wonder if we will make anymore changes?
Looks like I was wrong
First list ligament I'd this coming Friday 27th not lat Friday 20th
Apologies
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First list lodgment due today
Wonder if we will make anymore changes?
Looks like I was wrong
First list ligament I'd this coming Friday 27th not lat Friday 20th
Apologies
You were correct, WP. The first list lodgment was last Friday and the 2nd one is this Friday.
November 20: List Lodgment #1
November 27: List Lodgment #2
Mid-December: Final List Lodgment & TPP estimates
https://www.afl.com.au/news/498142/player-movement-dates-second-tier-next-generation-academies
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Noting the change to rules about transferring players to the Rookie List.
"The AFL advised teams on Tuesday night that up to two players could be transferred straight from their 2020 senior list to the rookie list for next season.
The move is set to help clubs looking to reduce their senior list after it was confirmed a nine per cent salary cap reduction would be in place for 2021."
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-rule-change-gives-clubs-extra-flexibility-with-list-ahead-of-draft/news-story/14b35e35a8e0ef797efc33aa5bff1df5#:~:text=The%20AFL%20advised%20teams%20on,be%20in%20place%20for%202021.
This would mean that we could move Garthwaite and Miller to the Rookie List replacing Baker and Picket without delisting them, which is the normal procedure when demoting a player.
Previously a player would be delisted prior to the draft allowing an opposition club to bid on them for their senior list before they went to the Rookie draft.
There was some talk of St Kilda enquiring about Garthwaite.
A phone call to them would see if their interest was real and if so Garth would be delisted allowing them to draft him. Otherwise direct to our Rookie List.
List lodgement will show how this stands.
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Do we want to keep Garth and Miller?
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In our first list lodgement did we remove rance from the list?
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Eggy delisted. Garth new 1 year deal. Miller new one year deal and moved to rookie list. Still no official word on Houli?
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Tigers confirm list changes
By Richmond Media - Just now
Key defender Ryan Garthwaite and versatile tall Ben Miller will remain at Richmond for the 2021 season.
Garthwaite, 22, put pen to paper on a one-year deal with the Club, while Miller has been retained via a new AFL rule which allows clubs to place up to two primary listed players straight onto the rookie list without going through the NAB AFL Rookie Draft.
The 192cm Garthwaite will enter his fifth year at the Club after originally being selected with pick No. 72 overall at the 2016 NAB AFL Draft.
Garthwaite did not appear at senior level in 2020 but has played nine AFL games across his four years at Richmond. The rugged defender has stood out with his trademark desperation, leadership, and an excellent work rate at both AFL and VFL level.
“Ryan is an extremely popular and hardworking member of our group,” said Richmond General Manager- Football Talent, Blair Hartley.
“2020 was a difficult year for players outside of the team, Ryan endured through some injuries but still played an important role in driving high standards.
“We look forward to seeing him continue to improve next year.”
Miller, 21, has spent three seasons at Richmond, playing mainly as a key defender. The utility was also used in the ruck during scrimmage matches this year, where he impressed coaches.
“Ben is a young tall continuing to develop across a number of roles.” Hartley said.
“He showed some real development this year – starting down back before showing some growth in the ruck and pushing forward during the scrimmages on the Gold Coast.
“We are excited to be able to keep him at the club and look forward to seeing him continue to progress next year.”
Richmond has also informed Derek Eggmolesse-Smith that he will not be offered a contract for 2021. Eggmolesse-Smith played eight games for the Tigers after being drafted in the 2018 Rookie Draft as a Next Generation Academy selection.
Hartley thanked Eggmolesse-Smith for his hard work and dedication. “We wish Derek well in his playing career and all of his future endeavours.”
The 2020 NAB AFL National Draft will be held virtually on December 9, with the NAB AFL Rookie Draft to follow on December 10.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/838148/tigers-confirm-list-changes
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Garthweight fmd. Hope to see us start to look for long term replacements for KPPs in the draft.
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Surely Rance will play again??
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I haven’t seen anything that says he’s been taken off the list?
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Guess even winning a tv was not enough to save the Goog when Houli wants to hobble around for another year .... :shh
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Surely Rance will play again??
Why?
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Happy with Garthwaite and Miller staying.Garthwaite can do a job for us I don't know why he cops it.
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Surely Rance will play again??
Why?
Because I'd like it
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Stack to get back to his 2019 form and take over Houlis role off half back......
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So with all the changes , does that add up to 3 picks and have we put anyone on the Rookie list or do we have enough there already
Sorry to see the Egg go, thought he showed a lot this year. I will be surprised if he doesn’t get picked up. Good luck and best wishes
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Naish probably lucky he has a more promising brother waiting in the wings...would've delisted him before the Googy... :shh
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We now currently have:
32 senior listed spots filled.
6 category A rookies.
1 category B rookie.
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=30409.msg683333#msg683333
Houli is the only one remaining still without a new contract.
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We would need to add four draftees to get to 36 senior listed players. I don't see us using 4 draft picks so one or two of our rookies like Baker and/or Pickett will need to be promoted.
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Is Baker a rookie still? Dual premiership player who almost got norm Smith votes Baker?
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Is Baker a rookie still? Dual premiership player who almost got norm Smith votes Baker?
so is Marlion
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RICHMOND
Current contracted for 2021: 39
The Tigers will carry one Category B player at this stage after committing to ruckman Mate Colina. Derek Eggmolesse-Smith was delisted off the same list on Wednesday. While Bachar Houli's new deal is yet to be publicised, he's locked and loaded for 2021 at Punt Road. The Tigers have committed to retaining Ben Miller as a rookie after three seasons on the senior list. Liam Baker has been promoted off the rookie list leaving the Tigers with five current rookies – Miller, Sydney Stack, Marlion Pickett, Jake Aarts and Mabior Chol. Alex Rance is officially retired and has been removed from the list.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/525574/locked-and-loaded-what-your-club-s-list-will-look-like-in-2021
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Surprised that delisted Eggy.
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Im not, very skillful but thats about it.
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Surprised that delisted Eggy.
Like Chuck17
I wasn't surprised at all
Everyone keeps using his game against N0rt where he got 3 brownlow votes and won the TV as a guide to his improvement. IMHO, I reckon most of on here could won a TV playing against N0rt, they were beyond pathetic
My counter argument is move forward to the Eagles game and that is why his de-listing was no surprise. His awareness, decision making and skills fell away dramatically when the pressure went up a notch. Against poor sides that couldn't maintain pressure for longer (in N0rt's case) 15 minutes and the Egg looked like a star. Against top opposition, where there is constant intense pressure he sadly wilted. Even his strength (his kicking) went pear shape when the pressure went up.
Same thing happened in 2019. GC game and star, again against the Eagles he was found wanting and lost
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Surprised that delisted Eggy.
Bloke looked scared of his own shadow out there.
I suspect Dimma figured out pretty quick that he would never feature in a finals campaign for us unless we had 10+ blokes on the injury list.
Brandon Ellis has more kahunas.
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Brandon Ellis, Bachar and Shorty all say Hi. One is x3 premiership player and others x2. x3 runner up Norm Smiths also. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses.
DES was a talent and surprised he wasn't kept given Markov departed and Bachar is on his last legs. A list management decision that I don't agree with
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Every AFL club’s list analysed — and what they need to do before 2020 ends
Max Laughton
November 27, 2020
FOX SPORTS
Richmond (39) upgraded their first selection in the Jack Higgins trade, and will hope to add more quality with picks 17 and 36, but may not do much else.
Delisting Derek Eggmolesse-Smith this week - who polled two Brownlow votes in just his fourth AFL game this past season - suggests space is at a premium.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-offseason-afl-draft-free-agency-what-every-club-still-must-do-academy-prospects-trades-analysis-latest-news/news-story/0d693588b2157adfecd7738be099849d
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Irate AFL clubs have warned there will be “18 Collingwoods” forced into back-ending contracts to get under the reduced salary cap next year.
Clubs are angry the league has palmed off applying the cut to the salary cap to the clubs and the league’s best answer for getting under the cap was to back end contracts.
The AFL has mandated the total player payments and additional services agreement for next year will be cut by 9 per cent, while the players will take a 3.5 per cent pay cut on average.
List sizes have been cut by two players, which means the reduced salary cap is slightly spread across fewer players.
The AFL has not applied a flat across the board percentage cut to player salaries next year but instead passed it back to clubs to renegotiate player contracts.
The league has begun visiting and briefing clubs about the cut to the salary cap and has told clubs it was up to them how they got under the salary cap and that they should back end contracts to fit under the cap next year.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-create-18-collingwoods-telling-clubs-to-back-end-contracts-20201127-p56ime.html
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Garthwaite :lol
I don’t really care as long as I don’t have to watch him play.
Waste of a spot big time IMO.
Not surprised about Egg- showed he could get the footy but was eventually found out in the end.
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The Tigers have picks 17, 36, 61, 79 and 97 in the upcoming draft but could keep a rookie spot open to add a player via the rookie draft or pre-season supplemental selection period.
Source: The Age (https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/coleman-jones-and-sydney-stack-to-return-to-punt-road-in-early-december-20201128-p56is3.html)