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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: MintOnLamb on June 26, 2021, 12:02:47 PM
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The Tigers have shown great composure, team spirit, steadfastness to the game plan and total belief in each over the last 4 years.
The capitulation against West Coast bought to mind the losses we used to have from seemingly unlosable situations some 5/6 years ago.
The lack of cohesion and intensity against St Kilda was, to me, very strange and did not ring “Tiger True”
Was last night a massive perfect storm against Richmond or are other forces in play?
Possible scenarios, Loss of coach? Player movement to rival club/s? Change in management?
Time will tell, BUT, I don’t like it. Something fishy is going on.
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Had a chat to my dad about this today. We went to the game last night.
We both think there's something wrong with the group mentally. He wonders if Cotchin and Hardwick have fallen out. Cotchin seemed particularly frustrated and distracted all night, just getting into scuffles and hacking the ball around etc.
Whole team looked flat and had absolutely no right to be after a bye and with the season effectively on the line.
Basically nobody wanted to be accountable. Jack going for lame taps instead if marks. Passing off to Edwards and shorty instead of kicking the damned thing. And he wasn't alone.
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There's a few like Chol and CCJ who ought to be doing better now but aren't. Also I think we're at the last gasp of this great team. They're old now a lot of over 30s. And I think they've lost the hunger a bit.
After West Coke I thought we aren't going to win this year. We are eighth and we're playing like it.
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Hard to say. Maybe there is an issue with culture.
Or maybe our key players are getting older, more inconsistent and have lost some hunger.
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Dunno but the game plan is headed down the toilet. Even the 2s didn't realize what direction the goals are! Kicking sideways.
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I hate the bombers but their fun to watch at the moment
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It's always been fun to watch Essendon lose... :shh
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The Tigers have shown great composure, team spirit, steadfastness to the game plan and total belief in each over the last 4 years.
The capitulation against West Coast bought to mind the losses we used to have from seemingly unlosable situations some 5/6 years ago.
The lack of cohesion and intensity against St Kilda was, to me, very strange and did not ring “Tiger True”
Was last night a massive perfect storm against Richmond or are other forces in play?
Possible scenarios, Loss of coach? Player movement to rival club/s? Change in management?
Time will tell, BUT, I don’t like it. Something fishy is going on.
Agree with these.
It’s the fumbling and atrocious skills under no pressure when was the last time we saw this crap?
The biggest issue is lack of collective team pressure on the ball carrier.
It’s our niche, our one wood and our Richmond way and without it we are a mid range team.
Someone has lost the one wood, unless we get back to our high pressure best we will struggle to make the eight as we aren’t that good without it.
I agree, something fishy going on.
Is it a coincidence that since he turned his back on his wife for some younger woman the team haven’t been able to recapture our normal intensity? Has he lost his voice through lack of integrity?
Who knows? But sometimes these things could even be subconscious
like if he speaks of “sticking fat” or being “players of integrity” or “don’t abandon your mates”, maybe these words just fall to the ground because they lack the same honest purity that they once did.
Who knows the psyche of the players, especially how much the leaders may have loved Mrs Hardwick.
Cotchin especially
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The fumbling and dithering has been there all season I think
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The Tigers have shown great composure, team spirit, steadfastness to the game plan and total belief in each over the last 4 years.
The capitulation against West Coast bought to mind the losses we used to have from seemingly unlosable situations some 5/6 years ago.
The lack of cohesion and intensity against St Kilda was, to me, very strange and did not ring “Tiger True”
Was last night a massive perfect storm against Richmond or are other forces in play?
Possible scenarios, Loss of coach? Player movement to rival club/s? Change in management?
Time will tell, BUT, I don’t like it. Something fishy is going on.
Agree with these.
It’s the fumbling and atrocious skills under no pressure when was the last time we saw this crap?
The biggest issue is lack of collective team pressure on the ball carrier.
It’s our niche, our one wood and our Richmond way and without it we are a mid range team.
Someone has lost the one wood, unless we get back to our high pressure best we will struggle to make the eight as we aren’t that good without it.
I agree, something fishy going on.
Is it a coincidence that since he turned his back on his wife for some younger woman the team haven’t been able to recapture our normal intensity? Has he lost his voice through lack of integrity?
Who knows? But sometimes these things could even be subconscious
like if he speaks of “sticking fat” or being “players of integrity” or “don’t abandon your mates”, maybe these words just fall to the ground because they lack the same honest purity that they once did.
Who knows the psyche of the players, especially how much the leaders may have loved Mrs Hardwick.
Cotchin especially
If that's the case players should look into a new career there there to play footy not get involved in personal issues so I'm not buying that.As for Cotch I reckon to much noise and drama from the background from the wife for me .
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Yoko Cotchin's breaking up the band.... :shh
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Whatever it is , we would be last
on the form ladder at moment, Gold Coast will think they have a good chance this week
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The Tigers have shown great composure, team spirit, steadfastness to the game plan and total belief in each over the last 4 years.
The capitulation against West Coast bought to mind the losses we used to have from seemingly unlosable situations some 5/6 years ago.
The lack of cohesion and intensity against St Kilda was, to me, very strange and did not ring “Tiger True”
Was last night a massive perfect storm against Richmond or are other forces in play?
Possible scenarios, Loss of coach? Player movement to rival club/s? Change in management?
Time will tell, BUT, I don’t like it. Something fishy is going on.
Agree with these.
It’s the fumbling and atrocious skills under no pressure when was the last time we saw this crap?
The biggest issue is lack of collective team pressure on the ball carrier.
It’s our niche, our one wood and our Richmond way and without it we are a mid range team.
Someone has lost the one wood, unless we get back to our high pressure best we will struggle to make the eight as we aren’t that good without it.
I agree, something fishy going on.
Is it a coincidence that since he turned his back on his wife for some younger woman the team haven’t been able to recapture our normal intensity? Has he lost his voice through lack of integrity?
Who knows? But sometimes these things could even be subconscious
like if he speaks of “sticking fat” or being “players of integrity” or “don’t abandon your mates”, maybe these words just fall to the ground because they lack the same honest purity that they once did.
Who knows the psyche of the players, especially how much the leaders may have loved Mrs Hardwick.
Cotchin especially
If that's the case players should look into a new career there there to play footy not get involved in personal issues so I'm not buying that.As for Cotch I reckon to much noise and drama from the background from the wife for me .
Agree.
Could it be mental figure?
Lucky to still be in the 8!
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Or is it just the simple fact that the oldies cannot do it anymore.
Age combined with rule changes that has significantly stopped us being able to lock the ball in the forward half. That system that allowed us to play poorly skilled players who just had to bring pressure combined with far too many sub skilled players.
We have had four years and three flags something i never thought id see again so i really dont give a stuff either way but if honest i reckon its time to look at 2025 and beyond and start the rebuild.
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"Richmond has won games this year more on talent than system".
'Where's the manic pressure? Tiger players pushed off the ball too easily (Pickett example), Dusty pointing around. Once the opposition breaks through the first line of defence there's no Rioli, Castagna and alike applying pressure. It just shows how easy the opposition can go from one end to the other.
- Matthew Lloyd.
Go to 14 min mark: https://www.afl.com.au/video/639149/winning-like-a-car-out-of-control-a-21yo-treating-rivals-like-schoolboys
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Playing group and coaches haven't handled it well this year for me.
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"Richmond has won games this year more on talent than system".
'Where's the manic pressure? Tiger players pushed off the ball too easily (Pickett example), Dusty pointing around. Once the opposition breaks through the first line of defence there's no Rioli, Castagna and alike applying pressure. It just shows how easy the opposition can go from one end to the other.
- Matthew Lloyd.
Go to 14 min mark: https://www.afl.com.au/video/639149/winning-like-a-car-out-of-control-a-21yo-treating-rivals-like-schoolboys
100% correct our basic fundamentals we're pressure and harassment seen none of it this year.
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According to Caro tonight - "All the assistant coaches are leaving and Adam Kingsley has put his hand up for the Collingwood job".
If this is true then you have to ask why?
Plus it would demotivate players immensely I would imagine
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Not sure about Leppa but the rest were all poached weren't they? It's the standard practice - take the successful team's assistants and bring what they know over.
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Matthew Rendell on SEN just now reckons the problems are:
1. Richmond are showing signs of arrogance. Getting involved in incidents of the ball giving away free kicks. Add bringing in a first gamer in Samson Ryan to play against Marshall and Ryder.
2. Richmond's smalls have gone missing. Houli and Short aren't as effective of HB as last year. The Tigers have lost that swarming small forward pressure. Butler & Higgins are at other clubs while Castagna hasn't done anything this year and Rioli is in the VFL. Bolton has moved up into the midfield but hasn't regained since returning the same form prior to his incident.
3. Richmond's system was built on role players. They've lost that. Too much reliance on Dusty doing something special.
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Matthew Rendell on SEN just now reckons the problems are:
1. Richmond are showing signs of arrogance. Getting involved in incidents of the ball giving away free kicks. Add bringing in a first gamer in Samson Ryan to play against Marshall and Ryder.
2. Richmond's smalls have gone missing. Houli and Short aren't as effective of HB as last year. The Tigers have lost that swarming small forward pressure. Butler & Higgins are at other clubs while Castagna hasn't done anything this year and Rioli is in the VFL. Bolton has moved up into the midfield but hasn't regained since returning the same form prior to his incident.
3. Richmond's system was built on role players. They've lost that. Too much reliance on Dusty doing something special.
Some of this may be true but this bloke still thinks we were scared of facing the pies in 2019
He's a clown :lol
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Jordan Lewis based on Hawthorn in 2016 reckons success gives you comfort as well as confidence. The former can become a negative as it can make you accept defeat more than you would've because you rest on that comfort on past success thinking we've done it before so it doesn't matter if we drop a game. You're not as hungry as you once were.
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Matthew Rendell on SEN just now reckons the problems are:
1. Richmond are showing signs of arrogance. Getting involved in incidents of the ball giving away free kicks. Add bringing in a first gamer in Samson Ryan to play against Marshall and Ryder.
2. Richmond's smalls have gone missing. Houli and Short aren't as effective of HB as last year. The Tigers have lost that swarming small forward pressure. Butler & Higgins are at other clubs while Castagna hasn't done anything this year and Rioli is in the VFL. Bolton has moved up into the midfield but hasn't regained since returning the same form prior to his incident.
3. Richmond's system was built on role players. They've lost that. Too much reliance on Dusty doing something special.
This is spot on
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Damien Barrett and Nat Edwards on the AFL website:
* Missing Nankervis big time. His importance to them grows by the day. Richmond have been smashed in the hitouts and clearances the past two weeks.
* Dusty down on his usual output and standards.
* Cotch down on form. 8 clangers last weeks. Barrett said he's not playing with the same aura and wonders if we'll find out post-season that Cotch has been carrying an injury. Great leaders step up and the Tigers need him to over the next 8 weeks.
* Tigers are no longer seen as invincible. Others sides believe they can beat them. Suns a "sneaky chance" tonight.
* Richmond need a "high moment". Need a reason to bring out this 'old Richmond' on the big stage but they aren't going to get that tonight against the lowly Suns.
* Barrett added that the game tonight being played at Marvel is going to be interesting after Hardwick's 5 weeks ago went on one of his "sook rants" this year.
Go to 10 min mark: https://www.afl.com.au/news/639726/listen-the-leader-who-s-lost-his-aura-a-tigers-curveball-coming
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Here's the audio of Matt Rendell's comments about us: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=846229
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“A TOUCH ARROGANT”: RENDELL CALLS RICHMOND INTO QUESTION
By Andrew Slevison
SEN
1 July 2021
Matt Rendell feels some arrogance has crept into the Richmond side of late.
The Tigers put up one of their most disappointing performances in some time against St Kilda last Friday night, kicking just two goals to go down by 40 points.
Ahead of Thursday night’s Round 16 meeting with the Gold Coast Suns, Rendell analysed Damien Hardwick’s reigning premiership outfit, believing some of the aura surrounding their dynasty has dissipated.
“Richmond, well you know I’ve been on them from day dot, I really like how they play,” he said on SEN’s Dwayne’s World.
“That’s the worst game I’ve seen them play for a long, long time.
“I can’t believe how many kicks and handballs they missed, missed targets. Their swarming offence with numbers tracking the ball, gone.
“I don’t know if they’ve got lazy.
“They look a touch arrogant to me, Richmond at the moment.
“Getting challenged by clubs and getting narky with it. Doing little sly things. I know they’ve been doing that for a while, but it seems to be getting worse.”
Rendell highlighted the debut handed to young tall Samson Ryan against the Saints as an example of that apparent arrogance.
“I just thought playing Samson Ryan, first gamer with hardly any experience, against (Paddy) Ryder and (Rowan) Marshall, I thought that’s arrogant,” he added.
“You had (Mabior) Chol and (Callum) Coleman-Jones. I don’t know what they were thinking, maybe they could expose them in the forward line with three talls. It didn’t work.
“They didn’t get it down there because Ryder and Marshall dominated.”
A “heavy reliance” on Dustin Martin, the absence of key pillars Tom Lynch and David Astbury, and the form of a handful of players including Liam Baker, Jayden Short, Daniel Rioli, Jason Castagna and Shai Bolton, in Rendell’s opinion, has led to a downturn in results for the Tigers.
“Heavy reliance on Dusty to do stuff,” he said further.
“(Trent) Cotchin’s tried his bum off, but they used to have a lot of role players who used to do their job week in, week out. Well, they’ve disappeared.
“Baker was going fantastic, he’s dropped off, as has Short. Bolton since he broke his wrist hasn’t been the same player.
“The other thing is, Lynch is crucial and he’s been missing all that time. Astbury as well, but everyone gets a few injuries.
“They used to have a great little mosquito fleet around them.
“Rioli’s been off the boil since that (nightclub) incident. He hasn’t been super anyway through the year. Castagna has been off the boil, so they’ve lost those smalls who have been really good.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/07/01/a-touch-arrogant-rendell-calls-richmond-into-question/
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Matthew Rendell on SEN just now reckons the problems are:
1. Richmond are showing signs of arrogance. Getting involved in incidents of the ball giving away free kicks. Add bringing in a first gamer in Samson Ryan to play against Marshall and Ryder.
2. Richmond's smalls have gone missing. Houli and Short aren't as effective of HB as last year. The Tigers have lost that swarming small forward pressure. Butler & Higgins are at other clubs while Castagna hasn't done anything this year and Rioli is in the VFL. Bolton has moved up into the midfield but hasn't regained since returning the same form prior to his incident.
3. Richmond's system was built on role players. They've lost that. Too much reliance on Dusty doing something special.
This is spot on
Yep I agree with the majority of it too
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gee this place turns real quick on the RFC.
Randall correct me if im wrong but didnt he get the arse from somewhere?
His opinion matters little despite one or things being right. For all we know he probably jumped on here before he wrote his article.
Randell is in the same category as Jabba for mine.
"Richmond has won games this year more on talent than system".
'Where's the manic pressure? Tiger players pushed off the ball too easily (Pickett example), Dusty pointing around. Once the opposition breaks through the first line of defence there's no Rioli, Castagna and alike applying pressure. It just shows how easy the opposition can go from one end to the other.
- Matthew Lloyd.
Go to 14 min mark: https://www.afl.com.au/video/639149/winning-like-a-car-out-of-control-a-21yo-treating-rivals-like-schoolboys
Lloyd is one of very few i actually dont mind these days, especially when compared to the rest. he is right here, pressure and intensity has dropped off. If we see the same tonight then we can safely say its been a great run but our year is cooked.
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Too many injuries and disruptions close together has stopped the new ones coming into the system from Jelling getting the confidence and understanding of the game plan and the sixth sense of what their teammates are doing around them. Then it flows through the team....
I remember watching the pre GF training in 2019, mate it was beautiful to watch the confidence and belief in each other and the system was truely amazing, i swear the ball didn't hit the ground. I just knew we were going to win the flag.
So many times Iv'e said its above the shoulders, we just need to get a bit of continuity and the talent is still there. The cohesion will return, Just got to get that happening and lookout.
This would be the sweetest of all if we can pull it off from here!
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Damien Barrett and Nat Edwards on the AFL website:
* Missing Nankervis big time. His importance to them grows by the day. Richmond have been smashed in the hitouts and clearances the past two weeks.
* Dusty down on his usual output and standards.
* Cotch down on form. 8 clangers last weeks. Barrett said he's not playing with the same aura and wonders if we'll find out post-season that Cotch has been carrying an injury. Great leaders step up and the Tigers need him to over the next 8 weeks.
* Tigers are no longer seen as invincible. Others sides believe they can beat them. Suns a "sneaky chance" tonight.
* Richmond need a "high moment". Need a reason to bring out this 'old Richmond' on the big stage but they aren't going to get that tonight against the lowly Suns.
* Barrett added that the game tonight being played at Marvel is going to be interesting after Hardwick's 5 weeks ago went on one of his "sook rants" this year.
Go to 10 min mark: https://www.afl.com.au/news/639726/listen-the-leader-who-s-lost-his-aura-a-tigers-curveball-coming
Leppa said the same thing weeks ago. He said when he was playing at Brisbane they went downhill quickly after they lost the tag of invincible. Remark about Nank is spot on. No Soldo has hurt us as well.
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I just think it's a combination of all things.Haven’t handled the preason well and rule changes, big drop off in skills and our pressure,to much in our senior players performing badly ,injuries , coaches box hasn't been great to.
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Look at that. The sun came up. I'm sure we're all pretty flat, down & upset. I sure was.
I've come to terms with our season, we will bounce back in 2022.
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I just think it's a combination of all things.Haven’t handled the preason well and rule changes, big drop off in skills and our pressure,to much in our senior players performing badly ,injuries , coaches box hasn't been great to.
Yep, it’s a combination of many things that feed into each other - hunger, fatigue, aging players, rule changes, game plan issues and more.
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Wouldn't discount how much last year, and to some extent this year has taken out of us mentally and physically. I wouldn't be surprised if we bounced back and had another great year next year, but to do that, I reckon we need to concede that it ain't happening this year, rest some senior players, get games into some young guys and bring everyone back refreshed and fit for preseason.
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Wouldn't discount how much last year, and to some extent this year has taken out of us mentally and physically. I wouldn't be surprised if we bounced back and had another great year next year, but to do that, I reckon we need to concede that it ain't happening this year, rest some senior players, get games into some young guys and bring everyone back refreshed and fit for preseason.
#whathesaid
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I think there's definitely something wrong between the ears.
You don't see EFFORT at times. Confidence is down. Players getting frustrated and sucked into scuffles off the ball.
Does Hardwick's Mrs have anything to do with it? What about Brooke and her crap on social media affecting Cotch? Who stuffing knows but in years gone by we would chalk up wins against middling clubs like Saints and Suns with half a dozen of our best blokes out. The team ethos and system would win the easier games and we'd steam home when it mattered. Now it just looks like they have given up altogether.
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When the Coach cheats on the Captains missus good friend then yeah their are going to be problems. Pretty stuffen obvious.
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How Tigers have lost their premiership DNA
Richmond must diagnose the issues and fix them quickly to avoid missing the finals. Jon Ralph outlines the reasons for the Tigers’ demise.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/afl-2021-reasons-behind-richmonds-form-slump/news-story/3e27c2a119984aaae79d56f634f0c238
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2021 could be a blip like 2016 where we can restock and reload. I think as long as we have Dusty we should remain optimistic we have one last premiership in their somewhere.
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Dusty looks cooked too. If he's not carrying an injury then he's just as tired or over it as the rest of them. Haven't seen much of his best football this year at all.
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Id give Cotch, Dusty Toby and JR8 the rest of the season off. Houli and Astbury should retire ASAP.
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Dusty looks cooked too. If he's not carrying an injury then he's just as tired or over it as the rest of them. Haven't seen much of his best football this year at all.
Dusty has been carrying an ankle for most of the season....
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Dusty looks cooked too. If he's not carrying an injury then he's just as tired or over it as the rest of them. Haven't seen much of his best football this year at all.
Dusty has been carrying an ankle for most of the season....
Did Dimma mention that? I don't watch the press stuff.
I know he said Edwards was banged up but they usually dent Dusty is injured and then use it as an excuse later.
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Wouldn't discount how much last year, and to some extent this year has taken out of us mentally and physically. I wouldn't be surprised if we bounced back and had another great year next year, but to do that, I reckon we need to concede that it ain't happening this year, rest some senior players, get games into some young guys and bring everyone back refreshed and fit for preseason.
#whathesaid
Like +1
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Dusty looks cooked too. If he's not carrying an injury then he's just as tired or over it as the rest of them. Haven't seen much of his best football this year at all.
Dusty has been carrying an ankle for most of the season....
Did Dimma mention that? I don't watch the press stuff.
I know he said Edwards was banged up but they usually dent Dusty is injured and then use it as an excuse later.
Not this week no, but has been mentioned a number of times
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Wouldn't discount how much last year, and to some extent this year has taken out of us mentally and physically. I wouldn't be surprised if we bounced back and had another great year next year, but to do that, I reckon we need to concede that it ain't happening this year, rest some senior players, get games into some young guys and bring everyone back refreshed and fit for preseason.
#whathesaid
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Draft some quality too. We have the picks.
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Look, who knows what’s happening behind closed doors? Maybe it’s not Hardwick at all.
But for all we know Hardwick might be acting like an absolute tool now with all the success going to his head, he is human and this can happen. Unfortunately, unlike the end of 2016, he doesn’t have the cool head of Mrs Hardwick to tell him some home truths about his attitude.
I know it’s all speculation but I guess that’s all we can do at this stage. Add to that age, injuries and fatigue and we are losing to teams below us playing our worst footy since 2016 and look like a bottom four team.
The bloke has got us 3 premierships that i didn’t expect. I’m willing to cut him some slack and show some confidence is his abilities to get us playing the brand of footy we love to watch.
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Use the rest of the season with an eye to the future eg get games into Stack, Miller, Dow, RCD and Rioli Junior. Father time has caught up with great servants of this club eg Cotch, Jack, Houli and Astbury. Houli should definitely retire at season's end. This draft is critical for us. Wise decisions need to be made.
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Leigh Montagna on Fox Footy last night reckons Richmond has lost its "mojo" and the past two weeks is 'mental'. Subconsciously thinking you're trying as hard as usual when you're not. Thinks/hopes Dimma's upbeat comments pre-game that didn't eventuate may be delayed by a week. That we only hit rock bottom against the Suns and now Dimma needs to spur on the group on an upward trend.
David King said even if Richmond makes 7th/8th it will only mean an Elimination Final exit. So is it really much a benefit for the future anyway.
Ben Dixon is still sticking to his three-peat prediction from 2019 based on our run home fixture. He did add that we threw away two dead rubbers against St Kilda and Gold Coast.
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Surely once it's clear we're not winning the flag we rest the old blokes and the blokes with niggles.. Cotchin needs an extended break if he's going around again, why continue to play Dusty with his supposedly sore ankle if there's nothing to be gained? Why run Nankervis into the ground or bring in Lambert & Prestia and risk them doing their hammys again? No real need to play Jack after he gets to 300/700 either if we're out of the running... :shh
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I must say we're our own worse enemy at the moment skill wise, lapses etc.I don't think it's all about teams working us out.Lucky we played 2 games of Richmond brand of footy this year lucky that the pressure and intensity etc alot of this season is on us.
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Had to laugh at Caro surmising tonight.
'I don't know if this is the reason but strong clubs are united and Dimma's marriage breakdown must have had an effect on relationships within the club'.
When she was pushed for more Caro added 'well like I said I don't know anything but I do know staff at the club were sad about what happened and Danielle [Hardwick] was part of the fabric of the club'.
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Cornes just blamed our current form on our struggling midfield being old, injured and absent:
Nankervis (4 games missed) - Still a young man but plays like a 32 year old given the load he has had to carry.
Prestia (9 games missed) - hardly plays anymore.
Lambert (7 games missed) - also not there.
Cotchin (4)
Bolton (3)
Edwards (2)
Dusty (1)
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Here's the vision of Caro and her comments:
"I know there are people at Richmond who have not enjoyed some of the things that have happened off-field as a result of Damien's personal issues."
Caroline Wilson on potential unrest behind the scenes at TIgerland.
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1412033335740731393
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I was working and had it on in the background
When they said they were going to talk about leadership at Richmond I thought I better watch this.
5-6 minutes I won't get back
First reaction was you hypocrite Caro. Starts with.. "I don't know the answer but...."
Then proceeds says to state things as facts including she stands by her opinion piece that she wrote in January which she then admits was her opinion. Then a has a sook about Dimma refusing to go on 3AW
Blah, blah.
Final thing I took out of it was perhaps she's been reading OER ;D
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Caro is truely insufferable
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I was working and had it on in the background
When they said they were going to talk about leadership at Richmond I thought I better watch this.
5-6 minutes I won't get back
First reaction was you hypocrite Caro. Starts with.. "I don't know the answer but...."
Then proceeds says to state things as facts including she stands by her opinion piece that she wrote in January which she then admits was her opinion. Then a has a sook about Dimma refusing to go on 3AW
Blah, blah.
Final thing I took out of it was perhaps she's been reading OER ;D
:clapping
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For me after the nightclub incident Bolton hasn’t been the same
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The media is now running with Caro's comments.
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Damien Hardwick’s ‘personal issues’ derailing Tigers: Caroline Wilson
news.com.au
6 July 2021
AFL journalist Caroline Wilson has suggested Richmond’s rough season can be traced back to reported unrest at the club following coach Damien Hardwick’s marriage breakdown.
The Tigers have won three of the past four flags but 2021 has been far from smooth sailing with the club sitting ninth after 16 rounds, having dropped out of the top eight following a shock loss to the Gold Coast Suns.
Footy fans have been struggling to explain the defending premiers’ struggles but Wilson believes the fall has been bubbling away all season.
It was revealed in December Hardwick had separated from his longtime wife Danielle, with whom he shares three children.
By early January, the three-time premiership-winning coach’s new relationship with a member of Richmond’s commercial sales team, Alexandra Crow, was made public.
At the time, Wilson penned an article for The Age, writing “the power imbalance between Crow and Hardwick is stark” and reported the club only became aware of the relationship when the coach was questioned by CEO Brendon Gale.
Wilson said at the time it was going to be difficult for the coach to retain authority over his players if any of them slip up, given the nature of his own personal circumstances.
Speaking on Footy Classified on Monday night, Wilson said the relationship may be “the elephant in the room” when looking at Richmond’s dire form.
“I wrote in January that he had tarnished his leadership at Richmond because of issues that had happened off-field,” she said. “We know that Damien and many at Richmond didn’t like this article but I stand by it.
“I certainly felt at the time that he had hurt the club and he had let the club down by the way he’d handled his off-field issues and the break-up of his marriage.
“I wrote at the time, would there be an issue on-field if disciplinary things took place and would his message be lost?
“I don’t know whether the off-field is affecting the on-field at the Richmond Football Club – only the players and the coach can know that. But what I do know is that great football clubs are strong and united and they hold together at every point.
“And I know that there are people at Richmond who have not enjoyed some of the things that have happened off-field as a result of Damien’s personal issues. I know it’s a tricky subject, but that’s the fact.”
Wilson said she didn’t know if the club was no longer as strong and united but that “staff members at the club have struggled with what’s taken place — we know that”.
“This is a team that has been unbelievable for four years and was threatening for finals for most of the years before that,” she continued.
“So I’m not surprised that players might have lost a bit of hunger and they’re getting older and injuries have cruelled them and maybe it’s just too hard to stay at the top for a fifth year in a row.
“As they rebuild now and leadership becomes a big issue at Richmond on and off the field, I just wonder if there’s any impact.”
Wilson also said the fallout from her story earlier in the year had seen Hardwick black-list radio station 3AW.
“I only become aware in recent weeks that he actually won’t come on 3AW at all, he’s banned the whole station, which seems extraordinary to me,” she said. “I’m only on one pre-game segment every weekend.
“I’m a football journalist – I’ve had my blues with Richmond in the past. I’ve had worse blues probably. It’s really interesting that he’s banned all of 3AW, I think that’s pretty strange.”
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/damien-hardwicks-personal-issues-derailing-tigers-caroline-wilson/news-story/c6e1eb22b9aeae2f58bc0d3043688995
https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/richmond-damien-hardwick-marriage-caroline-wilson-says-issues-could-be-affecting-tigers/ed05bfbd-f75a-44e0-a660-bd6ac102fe5f
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For me after the nightclub incident Bolton hasn’t been the same
I agree is he injured ? He was made to.pay a 20k fine to which was BS.
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Jack didn't take a step back responding to Caro's comments on 360 last night :thumbsup.
"It's not my job to talk about someone else's private life in the public eye and I don't think it's Caroline Wilson's either"
Jack shuts down rumours Dimma's personal life has impacted Richmond's performance this year. (https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f525.png)
Watch here: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1412356702662397957
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‘Absolutely zero’: Tigers star shuts down Hardwick claims, issues warning to AFL rivals
David Zita
Fox Sports
July 7th, 2021
Richmond star Jack Riewoldt has categorically refuted suggestions from veteran journalist Caroline Wilson that Damien Hardwick’s personal issues in the lead-up to the 2021 season have had an impact on the side’s performance.
Wilson wrote about earlier this year - and brought up again this week - Hardwick’s marriage breakup with wife Danielle and a new relationship with a Tigers staffer, reporting that it had tarnished his legacy as a coach and irked some at the club.
Asked to address Wilson’s comments during Tuesday night’s AFL 360, a steely-eyed Riewoldt was categorical about any impact Hardwick’s personal life has had on the club’s middling season thus far.
“Zero (impact). Zero. Absolutely zero,” he said.
“It’s not my job to talk about someone else’s private life in the public eye. I don’t think it’s Caroline Wilson’s either.
“I’ve told you now - it’s got absolutely zero to do with our performance at all.”
On Richmond’s current form, which sees the reigning premiers in ninth position with seven rounds remaining, Riewoldt said critics were always going to come for the side at any sign of an on-field lapse.
“I think people have been waiting for their opportunity to sink their boots into us because we’ve been so successful for a long time,” he said.
“But good luck if you’re playing against us in the last seven weeks, wherever we sit on the ladder. We believe we’re a bloody good football side. We’ve played really poorly the last two weeks ... but good luck if you’re playing us in the last seven weeks.”
Riewoldt acknowledged the side had been sporadic in the past three weeks and had a lot of work to do to recover, but pointed to the team’s remarkable run of three flags in the past five years as a body of work that has their belief unwavering.
“We’re lacking a little bit of confidence and a bit of soul but you don’t lose what you’ve got overnight.,” he said.
“You don’t lose it in a month. We’ve played some pretty good football when we were away for a three-week stint and played some football that’s a real Richmond brand of football that we know we can get back to.
Yes we’ve got a few injuries, yes we’ve got some young players playing but it brings opportunity and we look forward to the opportunity against arch-rivals Collingwood on Sunday.
“I believe we’re still a bloody good football side. I believe that we can beat anyone.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2021-jack-riewoldt-afl-360-interview-damien-hardwick-relationship-with-staff-member-caroline-wilson-comments-richmond-losing-record-end-of-premiership-era/news-story/0dda2b677e8ec1ab1396c93ba6cbabbf
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The sign of an on field lapse has not just been the last few weeks. Honesty compels me to say they have been ordinary all year.
As for people coming for them i think most of the time most people have been very reserved about our form its nearly always you cannot write the tiges off they will turn it around. Its only reall been the last few weeks after horrendous peerformances that people are starting to say they cannot win it.
Sporadic Jack only the last few weeks i disagree mate. You dont lose it in a month mate you have lost it most of the year and as for skills some who got regular games over the last 4 years have been devoid of them almost.
So what is wrong well its not just one thing and it certainly is not a short term thing.
Rule changes and one in particular the new kick out rule has almost single handedly stopped our ability to lock the ball in the fwd line and stopped repeat entries.To a lesser degree standing the mark and 6-6-6 has not helped us either.
Skills too many too reliant on the old system a system that is now almost impossible to maintain. These blokes have always had ordinary skills or other serious weakness that the team ethos managed to gloss over.
Age its a biggie as much as the club and supporters wan't to ignore it, the simple fact is half the side is at a point where its all down hill.
To exacerbate the age problem too few kids have come on to force them out. I also think those in charge have become too enamoured with those who played in the premierships, so there is a big reluctance to drop them when they have been poor.
Injuries have been cruel mostly to the better players and usually at the wrong time.
Hunger it has to be a factor
List management i really dont think we have got it right in several areas regarding the types we are drafting and the areas being targeted.
This has also filtered down to team selections imo.
Can anyone think of other reasons pleas add to it.
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Something is wrong at Richmond , we have lost our soul and passion to win
We might as well play every kid now as even if we made the eight we would be wasting our time
We need the best picks we can get because some older players just can’t shoulder the load any more.
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Something is wrong at Richmond , we have lost our soul and passion to win
We might as well play every kid now as even if we made the eight we would be wasting our time
We need the best picks we can get because some older players just can’t shoulder the load any more.
If we make the 8 we definitely wouldn’t be wasting our time , as we will need to win 5 from 6 minimum to make it .. but that won’t happen you wouldn’t think
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We won’t make the eight.
Season was over in Perth against WC.
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The board need to spend $$$$ get some highly rated assistant coaches all we been doing is loosing them and get fitness bloke also at swans gone.
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The board need to spend $$$$ get some highly rated assistant coaches all we been doing is loosing them and get fitness bloke also at swans gone.
I'm sure the board would love to spend plenty of $$$ in the footy department but there is this pesky little issue called the soft cap that means it is not possible
What do you want to cut?
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The soft cap is a soft cap. if you want to exceed it you will be taxed but if you are happy to pay the tax you can exceed it to the level that you can afford.
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Other clubs can afford good assistants. Why can’t we?
Dimma signed for too much?
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The board need to spend $$$$ get some highly rated assistant coaches all we been doing is loosing them and get fitness bloke also at swans gone.
I'm sure the board would love to spend plenty of $$$ in the footy department but there is this pesky little issue called the soft cap that means it is not possible
What do you want to cut?
It is “possible” WP, the richer clubs that do it just have to pay a tax on the extra spend.
If we want we can spend the extra money and make sure the players are looked after like they have been in previous years.
In the end I think it’s the fatigue of playing grand finals year after year has taken its toll. Timing is everything in this game and this year the timing of injuries and FatherTime catching up to the seniors has proven our downfall.
Pull the pin and look to the future. I would’ve done this after Stkilda game.
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Other clubs can afford good assistants. Why can’t we?
Dimma signed for too much?
something has gone wrong
lnness gone
leppa gone
caracella gone
truck gone
who is taking up all the cash?
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Other clubs can afford good assistants. Why can’t we?
Dimma signed for too much?
something has gone wrong
lnness gone
leppa gone
caracella gone
truck gone
who is taking up all the cash?
Mrs Hardwick and the new GF :rollin
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The board need to spend $$$$ get some highly rated assistant coaches all we been doing is loosing them and get fitness bloke also at swans gone.
How do other clubs do it then yet we got record membership etc this that I can understand one assistant, but 3 of them slowly this has been affecting us.
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The board need to spend $$$$ get some highly rated assistant coaches all we been doing is loosing them and get fitness bloke also at swans gone.
I'm sure the board would love to spend plenty of $$$ in the footy department but there is this pesky little issue called the soft cap that means it is not possible
What do you want to cut?
Hence why club weren't happy about cuts.
We had built up a Footy dept that other clubs could only aspire to have.
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The board need to spend $$$$ get some highly rated assistant coaches all we been doing is loosing them and get fitness bloke also at swans gone.
I'm sure the board would love to spend plenty of $$$ in the footy department but there is this pesky little issue called the soft cap that means it is not possible
What do you want to cut?
Hence why club weren't happy about cuts.
We had built up a Footy dept that other clubs could only aspire to have.
Exactly,
People wanted Emma Murray to remain. She has but something else or someone else had to go
Think People are also forgetting the fine from the CCJ/Stack COVID breach last year also impacted on our soft cap. It was another 100k out of our cap
So while other clubs had to cut 3 million or whatever it was our cut was even more...
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BARRETT: Forget a fourth Tigers flag
Mathematics says Richmond is still alive in 2021, but footy logic says otherwise, writes Damian Barrett
By Damian Barrett
afl.com.au
12 July 2021
THE CUMULATIVE toll of defying odds, fatigue, scandal, injuries, form and maybe even footy karma now seems insurmountable.
And while I am too-wedded to the mantra that Richmond remains alive in the 2021 premiership battle until mathematics proves it isn't, football logic says it is dead.
Richmond sits 12th after another loss, this time to Collingwood at the MCG on Sunday, and has Brisbane and Geelong in its next two assignments.
Since leading West Coast by four goals with half a quarter to play and then conceding those four goals to record a dismal loss, the Tigers have seemed shot. They then managed just two goals – again, absorb that slowly, the team which has won three of the past four flags scored only two goals in a match – against St Kilda in round 15, then lost to Gold Coast the following week.
Against the Pies at three-quarter time, they were 20 points clear, but managed one goal to seven thereafter.
In the 2020 COVID-19 impacted season, Richmond drew extraordinary power from self-inflicted adversity, including behavioural breaches which deeply angered the AFL and rival clubs.
But mounting a premiership charge one more time now appears a task too great. Richmond just doesn't have the aura that played more with the minds than bodies of opponents.
Even making finals seems beyond the Tigers right now.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/646569/barrett-forget-a-fourth-tigers-flag-a-new-contender-rises
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The board need to spend $$$$ get some highly rated assistant coaches all we been doing is loosing them and get fitness bloke also at swans gone.
I'm sure the board would love to spend plenty of $$$ in the footy department but there is this pesky little issue called the soft cap that means it is not possible
What do you want to cut?
Hence why club weren't happy about cuts.
We had built up a Footy dept that other clubs could only aspire to have.
Exactly,
People wanted Emma Murray to remain. She has but something else or someone else had to go
Think People are also forgetting the fine from the CCJ/Stack COVID breach last year also impacted on our soft cap. It was another 100k out of our cap
So while other clubs had to cut 3 million or whatever it was our cut was even more...
Let's be honest we have been loosing staff before the fine and covid kicked in I'm not buying that.
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People need to chill out and get some perspective. This team is knackered after winning 3/4 flags. An unbelievable achievement. The cliff comes for all great teams.
I’m feeling philosophical about where we are at this morning. Still enjoyed being at the footy yesterday despite the loss. Keen to go this Friday.
It’s all about finding the next gen now. No for me on Cerra. We would have to overpay and he’s not that good. Play kids for the rest of the year, finish as low as possible, hit the draft and get the best pure mid available at our pick (no more flankers). Retire a few champs and give the players a proper rest and preseason this summer.
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People need to chill out and get some perspective. This team is knackered after winning 3/4 flags. An unbelievable achievement. The cliff comes for all great teams.
I’m feeling philosophical about where we are at this morning. Still enjoyed being at the footy yesterday despite the loss. Keen to go this Friday.
It’s all about finding the next gen now. No for me on Cerra. We would have to overpay and he’s not that good. Play kids for the rest of the year, finish as low as possible, hit the draft and get the best pure mid available at our pick (no more flankers). Retire a few champs and give the players a proper rest and preseason this summer.
Agree they are playing like they need a break. Maybe the club worked out that 2021 is a lost cause and is now eyeing a low finish this year with a strong draft hand. Especially with Brisbane and Geelong to come in the next two weeks.
Send everyone to get the surgeries done that need them. Play the kids like RCD and Dow right through now.
The players can have September/October off. We go to the draft and the AFL hands us an easier draw for 2022.
Get Hardwick some new assistants and get a new game plan worked out.
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Whateley on AFL360:
“They coughed up the game against West Coast getting overrun and we pondered, out of respect and good faith, could they run the table and make a run at it? Well they‘ve lost to the teams that have been in 13th, 16th and 16th in those three weeks since the bye,” AFL 360 co-host Gerard Whateley said.
“If you‘re holding on, you’re holding on to an old idea now. We joked the time of death was declared, it was 6.41 (on Sunday) … for this season.
Richmond’s most recent loss to Collingwood came after Hardwick and vice-captain Jack Riewoldt launched passionate defences of their club’s position.
A fired-up Riewoldt said Richmond was still a “bloody good football side”, declaring: “Good luck if you’re playing against us in the last seven weeks.” Hardwick said Richmond was “still in the hunt” for a fourth premiership in five seasons, saying pundits that were critical of Richmond were “after big headlines”.
Despite the duo’s strong words in the lead up to the game, Whateley said the Tigers were “listlessly overrun by a team who is not a power-scoring team”.
“The words were there. I watched Jack and the ferociousness in his voice and the look in his eye of ‘good luck playing us’ in the way home – and Damien Hardwick, who ridiculed and pilloried the idea and that ‘people were just searching for headlines’. Nope,” Whateley said.
“For the words that you‘re putting forward, the will is no longer there.
“It was telling that Damien Hardwick, in his press conference, stepped away from the front line and spoke of the future and blooding young players.
“The truth will only be told in hindsight as to when he knew, but he knows – like we all know. You can‘t give up on the fight with six (games) to go, but he knows precisely.
“It is dramatic that this team, which has defined the past four years, is staring at missing the finals.”
Source: Foxsports (https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/richmond-tigers/afl-news-2021-trent-cotchin-richmond-contract-retirement-new-position-tigers-losing-streak/news-story/376a47ec2cc278cadfdd6b1d9bfbe0a4)
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Leppitsch's view today on SEN:
Leppitsch believes a downturn in form for a successful side is always bound to happen, especially when list depth becomes an issue.
“I feel for them. Their list profile has changed considerably over the last three years,” he added.
“Their depth players leaving like (Oleg) Markov, (Brandon) Ellis, so on and so forth. We see it now. When you see their defence and it’s (Ryan) Garthwaite and (Rhyan) Mansell, it’s just not even close to what you’d picture a Richmond team looking like.
“It’s one of the most important parts of the ground, your back half, because if you’re strong in your back 50 the game is always a chance to be won in my opinion.
“They’ve got too many personnel issues at this point in time. They used to bat down to maybe 26 players, but they probably only bat to 22 now, just, and eight of those are on the sidelines.
“They’ve got their own things in the back ground, and you know what? It’s just life. It’s footy life, it happens to every team.
“You’ve had pick 18 for the last four years, you haven’t had pick one, two or three, it’s not your fault, it’s not like Matt Rowell didn’t want to come to your footy club, so don’t take it personally.
“It’s just what the game does to you.”
Regarding another flag tilt, Leppitsch concluded: “I think they’ve got the best 22 to have a crack at it (again), but the best teams have 26, not 22.
“It’s an interesting time, it’s a difficult time. Not many teams have got it right after the dynasty within a short period of time, it’s very hard to do.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/07/13/form-slump-or-end-of-the-road-leppitsch-analyses-tigers-captain-cotchin/
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There are many reasons why we are struggling this year, but I do think the "stand" rule has affected us more than most teams. The rule hasn't actually done what the AFL hoped it would do - scoring has actually decreased and it has become a blight on the game as everyone stops to wait for the umpire to set the mark and call 'stand', but it has made it easier for teams to pick their way through our defensive structure by foot, thus controlling the ball and taking away our 1 wood - pressure on the contested ball and carrier.
We have continued to back our players and our 'system' - fair enough, it's been successful, but players like Castagna, Rioli, Aarts, Baker etc have become less of a factor as teams chip out of defence and thus avoid front half pressure from these guys. We just struggle to turn the ball over in the front half, which has been the centrepiece of our premiership-winning game plan.
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Well said Foo
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In my view the team has become lazy from success. Pure and simple and it starts with our leaders. If they are going to put their hand up and continue to take big money then they should either turn up to play or hang up the boots if the cannot compete or be competitive anymore.
Thank you for the good times but it's time to go if the desire to win is gone.
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Damning stat on Fox Footy tonight. Our pressure rating since round 8 overall and in the forward half is now bottom 2 in the comp.
Rd 1-12 Rd 8-17
Pressure rating #7 #17
Forward half pressure rating #5 #18
No wonder we're playing like a bottom side.
Nick Riewoldt and Garry Lyon both said Richmond need to do an audit on themselves and face the reality of now and admit to themselves we're an ordinary team right now. Rather than keep telling yourself you're a good side based on the past and it's all just going to turnaround by itself. It's not. You have to put in the work.
Nick added that there can be a lag in the realisation of that. You think you're training and doing everything the same as before but in reality you've lost that edge and you're a step behind, a yard off, and are a fraction slower in your decision making.
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Our average metres gained has halved over the past month.
Avg metres gained
R1-13 429 #1 in the AFL
R14-17 211 #5 in the AFL
Source: Ch 7.
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For me a win like this just goes to show how quick everyone is to overreact. Yeah we looked like dog poo the last few weeks but the core group of players is still there and there is no way they have lost belief just from a few weeks. Not saying we are world beaters this year but the culture and belief is still there and this was a huge win against a top 4 team and we are still missing quality players
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Our average metres gained has halved over the past month.
Avg metres gained
R1-13 429 #1 in the AFL
R14-17 211 #5 in the AFL
Source: Ch 7.
Apparently to someone one here metres gained is an overrated stat. :shh :rollin