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Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« on: June 26, 2021, 12:02:47 PM »
The Tigers have shown great composure, team spirit, steadfastness to the game plan and total belief in each over the last 4 years.

The capitulation against West Coast bought to mind the losses we used to have from seemingly unlosable situations some 5/6 years ago.

The lack of cohesion and intensity against St Kilda was, to me, very strange and did not ring “Tiger True”

Was last night a massive perfect storm against Richmond or are other forces in play?

Possible scenarios, Loss of coach? Player movement to rival club/s? Change in management?

Time will tell, BUT, I don’t like it. Something fishy is going on.

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2021, 02:53:22 PM »
Had a chat to my dad about this today. We went to the game last night.

We both think there's something wrong with the group mentally. He wonders if Cotchin and Hardwick have fallen out. Cotchin seemed particularly frustrated and distracted all night, just getting into scuffles and hacking the ball around etc.

Whole team looked flat and had absolutely no right to be after a bye and with the season effectively on the line.

Basically nobody wanted to be accountable. Jack going for lame taps instead if marks. Passing off to Edwards and shorty instead of kicking the damned thing. And he wasn't alone.

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2021, 03:48:47 PM »
There's a few like Chol and CCJ who ought to be doing better now but aren't. Also I think we're at the last gasp of this great team. They're old now a lot of over 30s. And I think they've lost the hunger a bit.

After West Coke I thought we aren't going to win this year. We are eighth and we're playing like it.

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2021, 04:16:49 PM »
Hard to say. Maybe there is an issue with culture.

Or maybe our key players are getting older, more inconsistent and have lost some hunger.

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2021, 04:36:39 PM »
Dunno but the game plan is headed down the toilet.  Even the 2s didn't realize what direction the goals are! Kicking sideways. 

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2021, 08:09:56 PM »
I hate the bombers but their fun to watch at the moment

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2021, 10:26:45 PM »
It's always been fun to watch Essendon lose... :shh
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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2021, 11:01:49 AM »
The Tigers have shown great composure, team spirit, steadfastness to the game plan and total belief in each over the last 4 years.

The capitulation against West Coast bought to mind the losses we used to have from seemingly unlosable situations some 5/6 years ago.

The lack of cohesion and intensity against St Kilda was, to me, very strange and did not ring “Tiger True”

Was last night a massive perfect storm against Richmond or are other forces in play?

Possible scenarios, Loss of coach? Player movement to rival club/s? Change in management?

Time will tell, BUT, I don’t like it. Something fishy is going on.
Agree with these.

It’s the fumbling and atrocious skills under no pressure when was the last time we saw this crap?

The biggest issue is lack of collective team pressure on the ball carrier.
It’s our niche, our one wood and our Richmond way and without it we are a mid range team.

Someone has lost the one wood, unless we get back to our high pressure best we will struggle to make the eight as we aren’t that good without it.

I agree, something fishy going on.
Is it a coincidence that since he turned his back on his wife for some younger woman the team haven’t been able to recapture our normal intensity? Has he lost his voice through lack of integrity?

Who knows? But sometimes these things could even be subconscious
like if he speaks of “sticking fat” or being “players of integrity” or “don’t abandon your mates”, maybe these words just fall to the ground because they lack the same honest purity that they once did.
Who knows the psyche of the players, especially how much the leaders may have loved Mrs Hardwick.
Cotchin especially
« Last Edit: June 27, 2021, 11:18:51 AM by Tigeritis™©® »
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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2021, 01:54:53 PM »
The fumbling and dithering has been there all season I think

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2021, 02:15:46 PM »
The Tigers have shown great composure, team spirit, steadfastness to the game plan and total belief in each over the last 4 years.

The capitulation against West Coast bought to mind the losses we used to have from seemingly unlosable situations some 5/6 years ago.

The lack of cohesion and intensity against St Kilda was, to me, very strange and did not ring “Tiger True”

Was last night a massive perfect storm against Richmond or are other forces in play?

Possible scenarios, Loss of coach? Player movement to rival club/s? Change in management?

Time will tell, BUT, I don’t like it. Something fishy is going on.
Agree with these.

It’s the fumbling and atrocious skills under no pressure when was the last time we saw this crap?

The biggest issue is lack of collective team pressure on the ball carrier.
It’s our niche, our one wood and our Richmond way and without it we are a mid range team.

Someone has lost the one wood, unless we get back to our high pressure best we will struggle to make the eight as we aren’t that good without it.

I agree, something fishy going on.
Is it a coincidence that since he turned his back on his wife for some younger woman the team haven’t been able to recapture our normal intensity? Has he lost his voice through lack of integrity?

Who knows? But sometimes these things could even be subconscious
like if he speaks of “sticking fat” or being “players of integrity” or “don’t abandon your mates”, maybe these words just fall to the ground because they lack the same honest purity that they once did.
Who knows the psyche of the players, especially how much the leaders may have loved Mrs Hardwick.
Cotchin especially

If that's the case players should look into a new career there there to play footy not get involved in personal issues so I'm  not buying that.As for Cotch I reckon to much noise and drama from the background from the wife for me .

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2021, 03:53:47 PM »
Yoko Cotchin's breaking up the band.... :shh
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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2021, 05:13:21 PM »
Whatever it is , we would be last
 on the form ladder at moment, Gold Coast will think they have a good chance this week

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2021, 06:54:36 PM »
The Tigers have shown great composure, team spirit, steadfastness to the game plan and total belief in each over the last 4 years.

The capitulation against West Coast bought to mind the losses we used to have from seemingly unlosable situations some 5/6 years ago.

The lack of cohesion and intensity against St Kilda was, to me, very strange and did not ring “Tiger True”

Was last night a massive perfect storm against Richmond or are other forces in play?

Possible scenarios, Loss of coach? Player movement to rival club/s? Change in management?

Time will tell, BUT, I don’t like it. Something fishy is going on.
Agree with these.

It’s the fumbling and atrocious skills under no pressure when was the last time we saw this crap?

The biggest issue is lack of collective team pressure on the ball carrier.
It’s our niche, our one wood and our Richmond way and without it we are a mid range team.

Someone has lost the one wood, unless we get back to our high pressure best we will struggle to make the eight as we aren’t that good without it.

I agree, something fishy going on.
Is it a coincidence that since he turned his back on his wife for some younger woman the team haven’t been able to recapture our normal intensity? Has he lost his voice through lack of integrity?

Who knows? But sometimes these things could even be subconscious
like if he speaks of “sticking fat” or being “players of integrity” or “don’t abandon your mates”, maybe these words just fall to the ground because they lack the same honest purity that they once did.
Who knows the psyche of the players, especially how much the leaders may have loved Mrs Hardwick.
Cotchin especially

If that's the case players should look into a new career there there to play footy not get involved in personal issues so I'm  not buying that.As for Cotch I reckon to much noise and drama from the background from the wife for me .

Agree.

Could it be mental figure?

Lucky to still be in the 8!

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2021, 07:27:35 PM »
Or is it just the simple fact that the oldies cannot do it anymore.
Age combined with rule changes that has significantly stopped us being able to lock the ball in the forward half. That system  that allowed us to play poorly skilled players who just had to bring pressure  combined with far too many sub skilled players.

We have had four years and three flags something i never thought id see again so i really dont give a stuff either way but if honest i reckon its time to look at 2025 and beyond and start the rebuild.

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Re: Is something wrong in The Tiger Den?
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2021, 02:14:03 PM »
"Richmond has won games this year more on talent than system".

'Where's the manic pressure? Tiger players pushed off the ball too easily (Pickett example), Dusty pointing around. Once the opposition breaks through the first line of defence there's no Rioli, Castagna and alike applying pressure. It just shows how easy the opposition can go from one end to the other.

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Go to 14 min mark: https://www.afl.com.au/video/639149/winning-like-a-car-out-of-control-a-21yo-treating-rivals-like-schoolboys