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5-day break.
AFL Round 21
Western Bulldogs vs RICHMOND
Friday, 4th August @ Marvel Stadium
Start time: 7:50 pm
Odds: (Sportsbet)
Richmond $2.38
W.Bulldogs $1.59
https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/4962
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The Dogs have lost to injury both Keith (concussion) and Bruce (ACL).
However, the Dogs in desperation for a key back may rush back Liam Jones.
"hasn't played since suffering a badly broken forearm against North Melbourne in round 14, but the Tasmanian is pressing to return ahead of schedule this weekend. The 32-year-old will need to prove his fitness ahead of a round 21 fixture that has significant September ramifications for both sides".
https://www.afl.com.au/news/992406/luckless-dogs-defender-learns-extent-of-knee-injury
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Full breakdown of round 21’s biggest games and what the results mean for the race to the top eight
A series of ‘eight-point’ games will shake up the final month of the AFL season and set the opening week of finals in motion. Who will lock in the remaining top eight spots?
Josh Barnes
HeraldSun
August 2, 2023
WESTERN BULLDOGS (8th, 40 pts, 105.7%) v. RICHMOND (11th, 38 pts, 97.9%)
Friday, 7.50pm (AEST), Marvel Stadium
Last time:
R4, 2023, MCG – Richmond 12.12 (84) def by Western Bulldogs 12.17 (89)
Last five meetings:
Western Bulldogs 1
Richmond 4.
Recent form:
The Dogs have lost three of their last four but each of those losses have come by 12 points or less. The Tigers had won three in a row before losing to Melbourne last weekend.
Player availability:
The Dogs have lost Josh Bruce to an ACL injury but are hoping Liam Jones (arm) will return and Ed Richards (illness) will be good to go. Toby Nankervis (suspension) will return for Richmond, with Jayden Short’s hamstring will be tested again.
TAB odds:
Western Bulldogs $1.62
Richmond $2.30.
Consequences:
A loss puts finals almost out of reach for Richmond, with a poor percentage meaning it has to win more games than Carlton and Geelong to get past them and into the eight. The Dogs meanwhile need to win three of their last four to reach finals, which includes games against Hawthorn and West Coast. A loss to the Tigers puts a heap of pressure on a round 24 game in Geelong and makes a home elimination final unlikely.
Prediction:
Dogs by 12.
Predicted season finishes:
Western Bulldogs - 6th (13-10 record)
Richmond - 10th (11-11-1)
https://www.codesports.com.au/afl/full-breakdown-of-round-21s-biggest-games-and-what-the-results-mean-for-the-race-to-the-top-eight/news-story/fdb501e918e77d75a8dd7069686f2af6
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Dogs or Tigers? Western Bulldogs vs Richmond: round 21 Friday night predictions
It’s a ladder-shaping clash as the Western Bulldogs host Richmond on Friday night at Marvel: do the odds like the Dogs to bite back, or the Tigers to roar?
Jaymz Clements
Codesports
August 2, 2023 - 2:45PM
WHAT WE’RE LOOKING AT
* The betting favourite has won 15 straight times at Marvel.
* Richmond hasn’t covered the line in its last seven games when playing at Marvel.
* Four straight Bulldogs games have gone under the points total mark.
THE MATCH-UP
A massive Friday clash awaits fans this week as the Western Bulldogs host Richmond in a September-shaping match up.
If the Bulldogs win, they should have no problems making the eight – with games against the Hawks and West Coast to come – while a Tigers victory would vault Richmond over the Dogs and give their finals chances a shot in the arm, despite a tough closing draw.
A loss for either wouldn’t be the end of the world, but it would put the loser behind the 8-ball in terms of playing finals.
The two teams last met in round 4 at the MCG, where the Bulldogs pulled off a ripper 89-84 win, their first in four tries against the Tigers since 2019.
The Dogs have lost three of their last four by an average of 6.3 points, while the Tigers have won three of four, but were run over by the Demons last week in losing by 32 points.
Richmond is ranked 11th and the Dogs 12th in the AFL for points per game at 82.3 and 81.1 respectively, while the Doggies defence sits 6th (conceding 76.7 an outing) and the Tigers 12th (84.1).
In its last two games at Marvel Richmond has managed 48 points against Gold Coast and 52 in a draw with Fremantle, while the past four Bulldogs games have all gone under the total points line.
CAN THE DOGS BITE BACK?
Losing Josh Bruce to a knee injury is a huge blow for the Bulldogs; they were outscored 61-27 by GWS last week in Ballarat once he went down.
The calls for this forwardline to deliver consistently have grown louder as the season has progressed and despite the midfield bulls of Marcus Bontempelli and Tom Liberatore delivering excellent seasons, Adam Treloar adding class and Jack Macrae always getting plenty of the pill Luke Beveridge’s squad as a whole have been underwhelming.
Just like an early ‘00s bar doing shot specials, they need more from their Baileys; Smith, Dale and Williams.
At least their captain is standing up. In seven straight games and in 12 of his past 13, Bont has gone for 25+ disposals while kicking 11 goals across those contests and has also booted at least one goal in his last three against Richmond at Marvel.
His midfield mate Tom Liberatore is having the best season of his career, with Libba averaging over 28 touches a game and racking up 30+ in the last three straight games.
A lot of the inconsistency of the Dogs forwardline can be attributed to Amazing Disappearing Man Aaron Naughton who can look like the best forward in the comp and go completely MIA in the same game. But he does love playing the Tigers, having booted 3+ goals in three of his last four games against the Tigers.
Jamarra Ugle-Hagan isn’t doing his team too many favours in that department either.
Ugle-Hagan managed a solitary behind in last week’s lost to the Giants, and has now kicked 26.32 for the season. Against the Tigers in round 4 he could only muster two behinds, but will relish being back under the roof at Marvel, where he has kicked 20 of those goals in 10 games.
Cody ‘The Flea’ Weightman is another Marvel specialist with 47 goals in only 23 career games under the dome, with 18 of them coming over his last five games there.
ONE LAST ROAR?
Last week’s loss to Melbourne was a big hit to the Tigers season and things don’t look to get much better as the Tigers head to the un-happy hunting ground of Marvel.
In the past five seasons the Tiges are 4-8-1 at Docklands and haven’t covered the line in seven straight games.
Richmond, however, will be looking to welcome back big ruckman Toby Nankervis from suspension and Jayden Short from injury.
If they want to turn that form line around, it will be thanks to their midfield cadre of Tim Taranto, Jacob Hopper and Shai Bolton, along with the ever-reliable Dustin Martin. The likes of Dion Prestia, Trent Cotchin and Liam Baker didn’t have enough influence late last week, and Taranto’s numbers have dropped over the past five weeks.
Taranto might have dipped a touch from his rampaging mid-season form, but still had 24 touches and a goal against the Demons last week. On top of averaging over 30 disposals a game this year, Timmy T has kicked a goal in 11 of his last 14 games.
But Bolton is thriving after having been thrust into the midfield by interim coach Andrew McQualter and averaging a career-high 22 disposals a game, while also still hitting the scoreboard, having kicked 23.23 for the season. Bolton also doesn’t mind taking on the Dogs, having snagged 2+ goals in three straight outings against the Sons of the Scray.
Dusty has been one of the constants over the past six weeks, averaging 26.5 touches a game in that stretch, and has kicked 2+ goals in Richmond’s last four games. Dusty averages over 27 disposals and a goal a game against the Dogs across his illustrious career; the Tigers will need that and more to have a hope of winning this week.
GOAL KICKER PLAYER PROP
Over his long and storied career Ol’ Faithful Jack Riewoldt has a pretty handy record against the Western Bulldogs: in 16 games, he has 45 total goals, and has kicked at least 2+ in his last seven straight against them at Marvel.
Big Jack hasn’t managed multiple goals in a game since round 15 against Freo, but under the roof (where he has 124 majors in 47 games) he should find his way to a couple.
THE PICK
Richmond’s form (and inability to score) at Marvel is tough to ignore, but they have won six of their past eight games, while the Western Bulldogs have dropped three of four and their injury woes also pose a problem. Still, the Dogs should get Liam Jones back and are 6-4 at Marvel this season; it’s hard to see the Tigers having quite enough midfield firepower to match the Bont and co.
BEST BET: Western Bulldogs 1-39:
https://www.codesports.com.au/bet/afl/tips/dogs-or-tigers-western-bulldogs-vs-richmond-round-21-friday-night-betting-tips-odds-multi-picks-and-predictions/
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Umpires tomorrow night:
Brett Rosebury (8 )
Andrew Stephens (12)
Hayden Gavine (14)
Nathan Williamson (22)
https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/4962#line-ups
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Umpires tomorrow night:
Brett Rosebury (8 )
:facepalm
Edit: Fixed: removed smiley inside my quote. OE.
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The Blowtorch: Round 21
Ben Cotton, Catherine Healey and Jono Baruch
Fox Sports
August 3rd, 2023
Bulldogs’ burning question: How does the depleted backline hold up?
The Dogs lost two of the players they could least afford to after injury setbacks sustained against GWS to Josh Bruce (ACL) and Alex Keath (concussion). Liam Jones will be back, but with Ryan Gardner in some doubt it leaves an already thin and undersized Dogs defence even more depleted when they take on Richmond on Friday night in a key area of vulnerability for Luke Beveridge’s side. The Dogs however do come up against a Richmond attack that’s lacking firepower and height without Tom Lynch, with Jack Riewoldt taking on a massive workload inside 50. No matter, how Beveridge’s back six fares without several key members will be a key watch.
Tigers’ burning question: Is this their last roll of the dice for 2023?
The Tigers stayed with Melbourne for three quarters last week before running out of a gas in an honourable loss. But unfortunately, honourable losses won’t cut it for Andrew McQualter’s side in its unlikely bid to make finals under the caretaker coach, having gone 6-3 since he took over the reins from Damien Hardwick. This week’s game is particularly crucial for Richmond in coming up against a fellow finals contender in the Bulldogs, who currently occupy eighth spot on the ladder. It’s also worth noting that Richmond’s percentage of 97.9 is clearly the worst of the side in the finals mix, so it can barely afford to step another foot wrong. “Richmond’s way in is to take the Bulldogs’ place. I feel like this is probably it for Richmond. If they lose touch with the Bulldogs and lose tomorrow night, I suspect they’re too far back,” Fox Footy AFL 360 co-cost Gerard Whateley said.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2023-the-blowtorch-round-21-preview-every-clubs-burning-question-fox-footy-commentators-tv-broadcast-guide-fixture-last-news/news-story/d7a2c43e5ee91fb9024e11d7c6440971
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Western Bulldogs vs Richmond Preview
Andrew Slevison
SEN
3 August 2023
A crunch clash between 8th (Dogs) and 11th (Tigers) which could define the season for one of these two sides.
The Western Bulldogs enter this off the back of a disastrous loss to GWS after they led by 29 points at half-time. It was their third defeat in four games which has seen them slip precariously to the edge of the eight.
Richmond had been in fairly good nick against Melbourne until they were rolled over late by the Demons. The Tigers, who had led by 20 points in the third term, conceded the last six goals to eventually go under by 32 points. Like the Dogs, it was a disappointing loss.
It presents a situation where both of these teams desperately need a victory to keep their finals aspirations alive.
The venue is a tricky one for the Tigers as they have not won there in their last six attempts, dating back to Round 9, 2021. That run includes a defeat to Gold Coast in Round 7. They’ve also lost their last four to the Dogs at Marvel, dating back to 2013.
The Bulldogs don’t mind playing under the roof, winning six times there in 2023, but have been beaten on four occasions at Marvel including three times since Round 12.
From a head-to-head perspective, the Dogs edged the Tigers by five points at the MCG earlier this year, but the yellow and black had saluted thrice on the trot prior.
With so much on the line and both sides showing glimpses of decent form last week, this promises to be some sort of footy match.
It just appears as though the Tigers have their attacking game up and running in a more free-flowing nature than the Dogs do at present.
It’s a genuine 50-50, but we’re siding with Richmond simply because their most recent form has netted more victories and they possess marginally greater depth.
Tip: Richmond by 6 points.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/08/03/who-will-win-and-why-the-predictions-and-tips-for-round-21-1/
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THE 4 CERTAINTIES FOR WESTERN BULLDOGS VERSUS RICHMOND
Hugh Fitzpatrick & Lachlan Geleit
SEN
4 August 2023
Back for another week, the SEN.com.au team gives you an insight into how every game will play out across the weekend.
Labelling something a ‘certainty’ in any sport is fraught with danger.
But we’ll attempt to find some anyway.
Here is what we consider certainties for the Round 21 Friday night clash between the Western Bulldogs and Richmond at Marvel Stadium.
Dion Prestia to have 20+ disposals
Dion Prestia has been a model of consistency in recent weeks.
While he’s averaging just 22 disposals per game this season, Prestia hasn’t dipped below the 20-touch mark since Round 10.
The inside midfielder picked up 20 touches in Richmond’s earlier clash against the Bulldogs this season, and he’ll hope to find more of it under the roof on Friday.
Up against a strong Dogs on-ball unit, a lot rests on Prestia and Tim Taranto’s shoulders to break even at the source.
Shai Bolton to kick at least one goal
Richmond half forward Shai Bolton has found some form in recent weeks.
On top of his average of nearly 25 disposals a game over the last month, Bolton has goaled in all of his last three appearances.
Last time against the Dogs Bolton booted three majors, and he’ll hope to be as potent in front of goal again on Friday night.
With Dustin Martin out, he may need to have a big game if Richmond are to get up in this clash.
Aaron Naughton to kick 2+ goals
Expect Friday night's clash to be an absolute shoot out under the roof.
Aaron Naughton has had a consistent year without dominating, I’m tipping him to get on the end of some midfield brilliance and kick at least two goals.
Backing Naughton for goals is always fraught with danger given his inaccuracy, but I’m expecting him to have at least five shots on goal tonight and put two through the big sticks.
Bailey Smith to have 20+ disposals
Bailey Smith has been slowly getting back to his best the last few weeks and I reckon he’ll dominate tonight.
The Tigers never send a run with player to opposition midfielders, they back their guns in to beat them in a head-to-head battle.
Tipping Smith will spend some time on the wing and in the guts, meaning he’ll be around the footy and will gather at least 20 touches.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/08/04/the-4-certainties-for-western-bulldogs-versus-richmond/
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From Barrett's 'Sliding Doors' column:
(https://resources.afl.com.au/photo-resources/2020/11/17/8a4c2df0-2497-41a0-85ac-8cab8feed48a/richmond.jpg?width=952)
IF ...
the losing margin was 32 points against Melbourne in round 20 ...
THEN ...
the performance was much better than that. Tigers were still leading a third of the way through the last quarter. Dusty’s absence a massive problem for Friday night lights against Bulldogs, but Tigers still a big chance.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/992516/if-it-s-been-a-rough-week-for-hawk-and-jez-then
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THE TEAMS UNDER THE MOST PRESSURE HEADING INTO ROUND 21
SEN’s Dwayne Russell has named the teams under the most pressure heading into Round 21.
1 - Richmond
vs Western Bulldogs – Marvel Stadium – Friday night
“I think it’s getting serious for the Tigers now. Are you a finals contender this season or not?” he began on SEN Afternoons.
“Andrew McQualter has done a great job of steering Richmond back into the finals race mid-race, but the whips are cracking tonight as we head to the final straight and they play a vulnerable Bulldogs who are 8th spot on the ladder.
“So they can grab that spot, Richmond. If they were playing a team that was top then it wouldn’t really matter in the context… but they’re trying to grab the Bulldogs' spot, so they can take that and the Dogs are coming off losing three of their past four.
“If McQualter wants this job, which we all think he does, and Richmond is a real deal when it comes to a finals and premiership contender, I think this one they need to win.”
2 - Western Bulldogs
vs Richmond - Marvel Stadium - Friday night
“Lost three of their last four, currently hold 8th spot and they can be out of the eight with three rounds left if they lose, that’s the bottom line for the Dogs.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/08/04/the-five-teams-under-the-most-pressure-heading-into-round-21/
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Mansell is the sub.
LATE CHANGES
Western Bulldogs: Nil
Richmond: Dylan Grimes replaced in selected side by Sam Banks
SUBSTITUTES
Western Bulldogs: Arthur Jones
Richmond: Rhyan Mansell
https://www.afl.com.au/news/992684/tigers-swing-late-change-ahead-of-must-win-bulldogs-clash-follow-live-from-7-50pm-aest
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All about the contested ball tonight. If the Dogs get on top in the guts, it's going to become very tough. We need enough inside 50s to exploit the Dogs' lack of height in defence.
If we somehow win tonight, it would be one of our best wins given our outs and having a younger team out there. Up there with that Round 4, 2019 win away over Port.
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Woeful start. Soft in the aerial contests and with the ball can we pick the wrong option any worse, Tiges :facepalm.
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Handballing straight to bontempelli 😭😭😭😭
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No organisation or pressure whatsoever. Heading for a 100 pts loss at this rate :help.
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And to think we rested martin. ….
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Too easy. Like a training drill for the Dogs ATM.
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Well done Prestia. Baker allows Ross to mark 15 out. Goal! :gotigers
Rich 1.1-7
WB 4.1-25
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First hands on the ball but fumbling again at the crucial moment :scream.
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Terrible from kamdyn. The tap on to ugle hagan….
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What was that free for? :huh3
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Totally unprepared for this game
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Worst Richmond performance I've ever seen
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Honeymoon period over for mcqualter. Surely this is a line through him as a candidate.
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MC waved the white flag mismanaging selection and it seems the team has too :help.
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Genuine witches hats.
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Great tap by Slowmo to the ground in front of a bulldogs player. :rollin :rollin :wallywink :help :banghead
What the heck are we teaching our rucks to do? :help
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English told to stand twice but kept moving = no 50 ::).
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All about the contested ball tonight. If the Dogs get on top in the guts, it's going to become very tough. We need enough inside 50s to exploit the Dogs' lack of height in defence.
Prophetic!
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Silly by Baker to play on after we had the mark.
Anyway we get it back and it's a goal to Jack.
Rich 2.1-13
WB 8.3-51
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Another first hands, fumble then turnover gifting the Dogs a goal :banghead.
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Putrid
Utter uncompetitive trash
You'd think they're tanking ffs
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Slowmo another tap to the ground in front of a bulldogs mid. Results in clearance and goal to Footscray. :rollin :help
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Broad has runs on the board but that was terrible how he lost his feet so easily
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Quarter time
Richmond 2.1-13
W.Bulldogs 9.3-57
Goals: Riewoldt, Ross
Simply uncompetitive. Making every mistake in the book with and especially without the ball. Showing my age but I have to go back to that 2007 Geelong game or even that 1990 Friday night game against Norf where we have been as much witches hats as we are tonight. Embarrassing! :help
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Gift from the Dog defender to Pickett = Goal! :gotigers
Rich 3.3-21
WB 9.3-57
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Why is Rosebury lecturing Pickett to be careful? He was simply tackling ::).
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22 inside 50s to dogs in the first qtr... Wow
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Why don't we look when we kick forward.
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Ross front and square goals :gotigers
Rich 4.3-27
WB 9.4-58
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Hopper subbed off with concussion (so he'll miss next week too).
Mansell subbed on.
ps. These umps :facepalm.
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Cumberland goal :gotigers
Rich 5.4-34
WB 11.5-71
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Bloody hell we are uncompetitive and garbage, but… what I can’t stand are the cheap cheap and virtually non-existent free kicks that get paid against us (always seem to be paid 20m in front of goal) and the blindingly obvious frees that don’t get paid to us.
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You're not allowed to run in and grab a player after a mark. That's 50 ::).
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Half-time
Richmond 2.1 5.5-35
W.Bulldogs 9.3 12.5-77
Goals: Ross 2, Riewoldt, Ross, Cumberland.
At least we were competitive that quarter.
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Let me get this straight... the Dogs are allowed to throw the ball rather than handballing it, yeah? 😔
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Bloody hell we are uncompetitive and garbage, but… what I can’t stand are the cheap cheap and virtually non-existent free kicks that get paid against us (always seem to be paid 20m in front of goal) and the blindingly obvious frees that don’t get paid to us.
Pickett definitely gets umpired differently to the rest. Jack never gets those frees that headband wanker got.
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If we got paid the exact same frees we give away we’d lead the free kick ladder by a mile.
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Stats to HT:
Disposals: 152 - 218 .... ( contested: 66 - 82 :P)
Efficiency%: 70 - 74
Turnovers: 34 - 22 :P
Marks: 27 - 42
Tackles: 31 - 45 .... from the bruise free first quarter.
Clearances: 28 - 20 ..... no that's not a misprint. We're +8 up in clearances yet 7 goals down.
Inside 50s: 24 - 34 :P
In50 eff.%: 46 - 56 :P
In50 marks: 3 - 7 :P
Hitouts: 31 - 18
Frees: 13 - 12
Individual possies:
8 of the top 10 disposal winners on the ground are Bulldogs.
Treloar 22
Bontempelli 17
Liberatore 16
Taranto 12
Prestia 12
Short 11
Baker 10
Nank 10
Ross 10
Bolton 9
Banks 8
Coulthard 8
Vlastuin 8
Broad 6
Cumberland 6
Kmac 6
Soldo 6
Graham 5
Hopper 5 .... subbed off 2nd quarter (concussed)
Pickett 5
D.Rioli 4 ... he was off for a long while with that ankle.
Riewoldt 3
Bauer 2
Young 1
Mansell 0 .... subbed on 2nd quarter.
https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/4962#player-stats
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Daniels tries to fend off the tackle = no free ::).
Nank whacked across the neck in the ruck by English and no free ::).
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Geez Noah :P.
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This is disgusting.
Play the kids now.
Retire the older players.
Time to rebuild
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Banks off HB receives and hits Jack on the lead. Goal! :gotigers
Rich 6.5-41
WB 13.7-85
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This is disgusting.
Play the kids now.
Retire the older players.
Time to rebuild
We are playing mostly kids tonight.
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The difference in clean skills tonight especially by hand has been stark :P.
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Geez Noah :P.
Hopeless :shh
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If we do somehow win the last 3 are we still mathematically out of the 8?
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The lack of leadership is numbing
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Geez Noah :P.
Hopeless :shh
:lol
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Sitting here at Comic book 2 words come to mind
Insipid
Embarrassing
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Bolton with the shake and bake and goals :gotigers.
Rich 7.8-50
WB 15.7-97
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Bolton with the shake and bake and goals :gotigers.
Rich 7.8-50
WB 15.7-97
Why not kick the ones straight in front though ?
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Everything about this game, from team selection to game plan. Everything has cost mini any chance to coach anywhere. He really stuffed this one up
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Say it again standards have dropped bigtime since our flag years 100% we're not investing enough in our footy department, taking short cuts , and making poor decisions aswell as not moving on.
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Can we bulk up Bolton and make him a permanent midfielder? The dogs aren’t even a legit premiership contender and we are being absolutely spanked in the contest. We really need more flexibility in who can rotate through the coal face.
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Seasons shot now
Even if we win every game we are now relying on other results
But more than that our % is crap
Bitterly disappointed with our effort or more to the point lack of effort
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3/4 time
Richmond 2.1 5.5 7.8-50
W.Bulldogs 9.3 12.5 16.7-103
Goals: Ross 2, Riewoldt 2, Ross, Cumberland, Bolton.
:help
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It's hard to watch when so many are playing so lazy. And sadly there have been a few that have even shirked the contest. The reason why we cannot select Mini. The work rate is just not there.
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Stats to 3/4 time:
Disposals: 230 - 309 .... ( contested footy: 94 - 121 :help )
Clearances: 36 - 29
Inside 50s: 33 - 51
Tackles: 46 - 63 .... bruise free footy by us tonight.
Hitouts: 38 - 29
Frees: 18 - 18
Short 20 disposals
Taranto 18
Prestia 16
Nank 14
Baker 13
Banks 13
Floss 13
Ross 12
https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/4962#player-stats
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Didn't come to play tonight and that pretty much sums it up. Running over a loose ball and allowing the Dogs to share the ball running into an open goal :facepalm.
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Bauer kicks his first goal at AFL level :gotigers.
Rich 8.8-56
WB 18.8-116
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Baker 50 and goal :gotigers
Rich 9.8-62
WB 18.10-118
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Broad intercepts to Baker to Jack alone 15m out. Goal! :gotigers
Rich 10.9-69
WB 18.10-118
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Jack is trying to feed Bauer. Gone to him the last times even when it wasn't the best option.
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Not sure what is going on with Cumberland's disposal tonight. That's about second or third time he's taken a mark in space and stuffed up a simple disposal with a butchered 10m nothing possie :huh.
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Geez Noah :P.
Hopeless :shh
:lol
Never again :banghead
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Not sure what is going on with Cumberland's disposal tonight. That's about second or third time he's taken a mark in space and stuffed up a simple disposal with a butchered 10m nothing possie :huh.
Unfortunately he is not good enough. No IQ at all which was again on show tonight. He isn’t the great white hope some on here think he is :lol
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Final Score
Richmond 2.1 5.5 7.8 10.11-71
W.Bulldogs 9.3 12.5 16.7 19.12-126
Goals: Riewoldt 3, Ross 2, Cumberland, Bolton, Pickett, Baker, Bauer.
Insipid slop. Played like a team coming off a 5-day break. Up there with the Brisbane loss.
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It’s been a year of learning for Young but he needs a spell. Play Miller as a key back for the last 3 games.
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The top 10 possessions winners might give you an indication of why we are struggling tonight
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Not sure what is going on with Cumberland's disposal tonight. That's about second or third time he's taken a mark in space and stuffed up a simple disposal with a butchered 10m nothing possie :huh.
Unfortunately he is not good enough. No IQ at all which was again on show tonight. He isn’t the great white hope some on here think he is :lol
Did some really disappointing things that just make you scratch your head
Kicked a great goal
More than you did all night Fridge
Shouldn’t be throwing stones when you had 5 possessions into the third quarter
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Did he play? :shh
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Did he play? :shh
He multi tasked
Posting on here and playing .. in saying that , he wasn’t seen much at Marvel
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Would probably play better if he just put away his phone. :shh
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Would probably play better if he just put away his phone. :shh
Valid point
I’ll give that
Less phone , more football
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Team stats:
Disposals: 301 - 409 .... ( contested: 114 - 152 ; uncontested: 186 - 257 ) :help
Efficiency%: 73 - 74
Kicks: 181 - 222
Handballs: 120 - 187
Turnovers: 59 - 48 :P
Marks: 76 - 87 .... ( contested: 5 - 8 )
Tackles: 56 - 76 :P
Clearances: 41 - 37 .... ( centre: 14 - 16 ; stoppages: 27 - 21 )
Inside 50s: 46 - 64 :P
In50 eff.%: 52 - 61 :P
In50 marks: 10 - 18 :P
In50 tackles: 12 - 11
Hitouts: 54 - 34
Bounces: 6 - 9
One %ers: 51 - 48
Frees: 20 - 22
Individual possies:
Short 25
Taranto 25
Prestia 21
Baker 18
Floss 17
Balta 15
McIntosh 15
Nankervis 15
D.Rioli 15
Ross 15
Banks 13
Broad 13
Cumberland 13
Bolton 12
Coulthard 12
Pickett 12
Graham 11
Soldo 9
Riewoldt 8
Young 6
Hopper 5 .... subbed out in the 2nd quarter
Bauer 4
Mansell 2 .... subbed on in the 2nd quarter.
https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/4962#player-stats
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Mansell and Graham combining for the same amount of disposals as Cumberland with an extra 2 quarters is a tremendous achievement
Can’t wait to ask them how they did it at the next function
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No mention of just how soft Short was. Pushed around by the smallest man in the comp just one tackle and zero physical presence.Yet blokes like Cumberland cop it in the neck.
The usual suspects fail to stand up when you need them to.How long do people expect the old codgers to keep carrying us.
The bottom line is battlers are battlers and without good players around them playing well they fail dismally.
Good old mini mime won what now 6 of nine but belted every time we play a top 8 team. He has done nothing new at all in fact has probably backed oldies in even more than Dimwit.
If they cannot even work out where we are at then they are definately not the right person for the job.
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Short looked rusty coming back from injury and off the pace of the game. For me
He has more than enough runs on the board to turn it around just like how Balta was solid after his belting last week
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Gotta agree with claw for once - while there may have been mitigating circumstances re:Short it was a typical gutless display you get from him whenever the oppo turns up the heat - invariably one of the first to wilt & go missing...also hilarious to see his biggest cheerleaders here giving it to Cumberland for ducking his head ...the same who'll swear up & down that Short doesn't do shyte like that nearly every game...... :shh
EDIT: LMAO just saw his biggest fanboy apologist gave the softy 3 votes....and it's same clown crying the loudest over Cumberland being soft..... :biglaugh
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If I recall , Mini did say when he took over there would be minimal changes this season as you can’t change on the run(I’m paraphrasing somewhat here)
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Its a running joke but I'm still amazed at how often the Dogs get away with blatant throws ...
It wouldn't change the outcome, but those slick rapid fire 'hand balls', actually too often weren't even that. The two handed shovel from ground level up into a team mates hands is a throw. The over the head hand ball is a throw. The reflex sideways hand ball is a flick pass & also a throw.
Did any of these throws get called last night? I can't even think of one case ... :help
They have a reputation & its a bad one, but they thoroughly deserve it ...
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Umpires are either completely useless or willfully ignorant -probably both- you don't even need to look at their hands you can tell by the speed & flight of the ball they're throws a mile away...it's more obvious on tv but you can even see it sitting in stands....it's as blatant as stuff....and they've been getting away for it for at least 7 seasons in which time they've won a flag & made another granny on the back of it...it's a complete farce... :thumbsdown
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Yeah a few people pointed out the throwing to me last night I wasn’t aware just thought it was slick hands but nope
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LMAO just saw his biggest fanboy apologist gave the softy 3 votes....and it's same clown crying the loudest over Cumberland being soft..... :biglaugh
Very nice cheapshot there with a blatant attack on another poster but I'll let it slide
And it would appear you have either selected reading skills or you only pick up on the bits that suit you narrative
In your cheapshot you conveniently forget to mention I clearly stated that Cumbersland wasn't alone in refusing to put his body on the line, pulled out of contests and refused to attack contest.
My votes are based on what I saw at the game. Short along with Prestia, Balta and Taranto were just OK the rest were pitiful on a night were the entire Club should be embarrassed by what they dished up.
But whatever... just take a cheapshot and ridicule because I dare to have an opinion different to yours and others ::)
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lmao - your trademark Jayden Short Beer Goggles sure got a work out last night. :shh
The bloke pretty much gave up once we were 4 goals down then shat himself all night. :shh :shh
Cumberland on the other hand by no means had a great game and did some poor things but he was also our most dangerous forward all night despite Jack's goals when it no longer mattered. He was also one of the few still cracking in and trying to win the ball back and make things happen right until the end, even if it did backfire on him on the night. :shh :shh :shh
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For me the club has been diluted with this finals crap never was going to happen our season was gone with the poor start and only of late we started playing for the future been forced , but dropping Banks was stupid. Will see who's going to take the rapt for this loss.
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Jack is useless now and never kicks goals when they are needed. Cumberland,although he looks like he tries is just an average vfl player at best. No one played well yesterday, no one. Not even Balta. Yes he took some intercept marks, rebounded , bla bla bla, but he also didn't stop his opponent from kicking goals. Our defence was getting belted, but no one in defence won last night. No one in our midfield won, and no one in attack won. It was an all-round failure by everyone
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Watched Cheltenham vs Springvale today, better standard umpiring than AFL, great vibe/food/beer, compared to last Sunday at the G.
Thoroughly enjoyable day
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lmao - your trademark Jayden Short Beer Goggles sure got a work out last night. :shh
The bloke pretty much gave up once we were 4 goals down then shat himself all night. :shh :shh
Cumberland on the other hand by no means had a great game and did some poor things but he was also our most dangerous forward all night despite Jack's goals when it no longer mattered. He was also one of the few still cracking in and trying to win the ball back and make things happen right until the end, even if it did backfire on him on the night. :shh :shh :shh
This is some of the biggest dribble i have ever read :lol
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Finally - confirmation Machine doesn't proof read his own posts.... :shh
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Finally - confirmation Machine doesn't proof read his own posts.... :shh
Don’t talk about Fridge like that
He’s doing his best
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Wasn't sure where to post this but seeing we just played against them i thought this as good a place as any.
Does anyone rate JUH. So far ive been underwhelmed and there has been a lot of hype about this kid.
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Wasn't sure where to post this but seeing we just played against them i thought this as good a place as any.
Does anyone rate JUH. So far ive been underwhelmed and there has been a lot of hype about this kid.
He'll be a good player IMO
Probably next year will show plenty with some years in him
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Big blokes take a few years to develop, I remember the likes of Jack, buddy , roughy all at sea in their early days , I think he will come on in a big way in a year or two.
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AFL Report Card: Round 21
Ben Waterworth, Ben Cotton, Catherine Healey and NCA NewsWire
Foxsports
7 August 2023
RICHMOND
It was an underwhelming showing from the Tigers on Friday night, comprehensively outplayed in all facets of the game and at no stage did they look even close to the Bulldogs’ level. That sentiment was echoed by an evidently flat Andrew McQualter post-match, although the caretaker coach was adamant that Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin weren‘t managed. With it, Richmond’s season is all but over as it dropped down to 13th on the ladder with just three rounds remaining, while Jacob Hopper will miss next week with concussion.
In the votes
Jack Riewoldt continues to battle hard in attack and do the brunt of the heavy lifting with no Tom Lynch, with the veteran kicking 3.2 in a strong display. Tim Taranto and Jayden Short each registered 25 touches, but probably didn‘t have their usual impact, while Noah Balta had some bright moments in defence.
Room for improvement
It started in the midfield, and sure, the Dogs‘ on-ball unit is always hard to even just match. But the Tigers were comprehensively smashed in contested possessions (-38) as it was constant one-way traffic. Richmond otherwise was on the backfoot early – conceding nine goals in the first term – and simply couldn’t match the Dogs’ intensity all around the field nor get the game on its term for any meaningful stretch.
Grade
F
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2023-round-21-report-card-highlights-grades-analysis-every-club-reviewed-best-and-worst-players-video-stats/news-story/904a5b059687bbe74be1b8d09d5f27e2
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Coaches' votes: (McQualter & Beveridge)
Western Bulldogs v Richmond
10 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)
6 Adam Treloar (WB)
6 Jamarra Ugle-Hagan (WB)
6 Tom Liberatore (WB)
1 Liam Jones (WB)
1 Bailey Dale (WB)
https://www.afl.com.au/news/997368/coaches-votes-r21-five-perfect-10s-as-gap-to-daicos-tightens
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POSITIVES & NEGATIVES FOR ROUND 21
Andrew Slevison
SEN
7 August 2023
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The Key Takeaway: Waved the white flag
Did Richmond just surrender its season?
If the season was actually on the line, somebody forget to tell the players.
The Tigers were battered by the Bulldogs from the outset. When Caleb Daniel, at 171cm, took a contested mark for the first goal of the game, you just knew it was not going to be their night.
The entire first quarter certainly didn’t feel like finals were on the line. And the club certainly didn’t act like there was everything to play for by managing Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin at the same time, then pulling co-captain Dylan Grimes out late.
Perhaps the club isn’t keen on pushing for finals, which is fine because they probably wouldn’t do any damage, but at least show a bit more care because that was a pathetic performance.
The Positive: Kids getting experience
Getting games into kids is a plus.
Tylar Young, Sam Banks, Matt Coulthard and Jacob Bauer are all getting some valuable minutes.
The Tigers need to be able to fall back on some youth in the coming years so having some younger players pushing through is a bonus.
The Negative: Lack of respect shown
As mentioned earlier, it was just a poor effort from the Tigers. Yes, the five-day break didn’t help, but what they dished up wasn’t good enough.
They showed zero respect to Marcus Bontempelli and Adam Treloar while Tom Liberatore bullied the Richmond midfield.
Jamarra Ugle-Hagan did as he pleased in the first quarter when kicking four goals from seven disposals. He touched the ball just three times in the second and third terms combined after the Tigers did put some work into him.
But the damage had been done and the game was quickly taken away from the Tigers.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/08/07/overreactions-positives-negatives-and-undroppables-for-all-18-afl-teams-in-21/
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Wasn't sure where to post this but seeing we just played against them i thought this as good a place as any.
Does anyone rate JUH. So far ive been underwhelmed and there has been a lot of hype about this kid.
He manhandled and push aside broad in a few 1vs1 which was hard to watch. I don’t think he will be the next buddy but he definitely has class.
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Wasn't sure where to post this but seeing we just played against them i thought this as good a place as any.
Does anyone rate JUH. So far ive been underwhelmed and there has been a lot of hype about this kid.
He manhandled and push aside broad in a few 1vs1 which was hard to watch. I don’t think he will be the next buddy but he definitely has class.
Same was underwhelmed but having watched a few of his games live I think he has it
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"It was really disappointing."
- Jack Riewoldt recounts Richmond's horror first quarter against the Western Bulldogs.
WATCH HERE: https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1688854729684553728
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I hate to break it to Jack but our destiny is not in our own hands now (re finals)
Yes we must win all 3 games but we are also reliant on other results falling our way, which is highly unlikely.
I posted earlier 3 games this year have cost us finals. So it is a wasted season
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Yep 3 shocking results
Bulldogs game in the wet (rested Prestia), criminal umpiring as well
Losing to Suns at Etihad
Essendon game bottled at end
Inexcusable poor losses when we should have won.
Add the Lions and Dogs away performances were just uncompetitive.
Add the Carlton draw that good teams win that, albeit round 1.
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Yep 3 shocking results
Bulldogs game in the wet (rested Prestia), criminal umpiring as well
Losing to Suns at Etihad
Essendon game bottled at end
Inexcusable poor losses when we should have won.
Add the Lions and Dogs away performances were just uncompetitive.
Add the Carlton draw that good teams win that, albeit round 1.
My 3 are:
Round 1 v Carlton.
Round 4 v Bulldogs. No excuses for losing that game, reeked of arrogance
Dreamtime - still shake my head we coughed up the lead and the game :banghead
GC game .. sadly I wasn't surprised by the result
And for good measure the other week against the Demons. Unacceptable
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Yep 3 shocking results
Bulldogs game in the wet (rested Prestia), criminal umpiring as well
Losing to Suns at Etihad
Essendon game bottled at end
Inexcusable poor losses when we should have won.
Add the Lions and Dogs away performances were just uncompetitive.
Add the Carlton draw that good teams win that, albeit round 1.
My 3 are:
Round 1 v Carlton.
Round 4 v Bulldogs. No excuses for losing that game, reeked of arrogance
Dreamtime - still shake my head we coughed up the lead and the game :banghead
GC game .. sadly I wasn't surprised by the result
And for good measure the other week against the Demons. Unacceptable
Lions game ? The list starts to get longer and longer
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Lions game ? The list starts to get longer and longer
I don't include that one
I was talking sbout 3 games early in the year that have cost us finals IMHO. Narrow losses and the draw where we coughed up winning positions. Win those 3 and we have 12 wins and needing only one more to lock in finals
The Brisbane game should never have been as crucial game as it became