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Title: List analysis
Post by: one-eyed on September 29, 2024, 11:19:30 PM
This was posted on twitter/X:

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"This is the positional breakdown. Only position I’m content with is Fullbacks"

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYpKqeLaUAAE53I?format=jpg&name=large)
https://x.com/doonie_demon/status/1840365501421134058

Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Loui Tufga on September 30, 2024, 01:35:16 PM
Looks rank  :'(
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: TigerLand on September 30, 2024, 09:30:05 PM
18th next year and Pick 1, let the top end talent rain.

The next Cotchin, Dusty, Jack, Rance, Edwards, Vlastiun are on their way.
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: the claw on September 30, 2024, 10:34:46 PM
KPD - Gibcus, Balta, Miller, Blight 23,  Young. The last three underwhelming. Numbers are fine two quality but the rest who knows.
TALL DEF - Broad 31, Bauer as a utility. Brown maybe pigs don't fly..Plays like a medium. Where is Grimes replacement in all this.
If Bauer plays forward we dont actually have a third tall defender on the list.
MED DEF - Vlastuin 30, Trezise, Brown maybe its true pigs do not fly.. Definately we could do with a quality hb here if not two.
SML DEF - Short 29, Smith.If we had a brain we would be peeing Short off. Only really Smith going fwd and who knows if he will make it. would like another hb here as well.

Take out two 30 plus year olds in Vlastuin and Broad and its getting dire.

KPF  - Lynch 32 , Lefau, Koschitzke, Gray, Fawcett, None of quality after Lynch. Need two quality KPF'S. Need to draft at least one this coming draft

TALL FWD - Bauer utility. If hes a defender then one more is a must.

MED FWD - Cumberland 24. Delist. Scary to think at 183cm he is the only medium forward we have. Talk about list deficiency.

SML FWD  - Rioli 22, Campbell 20, Mansell 24, Green 21, Clarke 21 , Coulthard 23. None of them have shown anything more than a few good signs. Where is the quality. Campbell to date the most likely but as a mid imo.

INSIDE MIDS - Taranto, Hopper, Prestia, Dow. McAuliffe. Delist Dow, Prestia retires end of 2025. No real power or burst inside mid  with speed.Give me Sid Draper and Sam Lalor.

OUTSIDE MID - Ross, Sonsie. Imo Sonsie will be gone at the end of 2025. Desperate for quick skillfull ball users who will get some ball for themselves.

It is scary scary ordinary.

WINGERS - HRS, Banks, McIntosh 30. Two have done sweet stuff all and the other if he was such a good clubman would retire because he has been so shizen. We need some quality wingers.

RUCKS - Nankervis 30, Ryan 24 will he make it???. Two freakin basketballers what are the odds ?. This coming draft or f/a  we could do with another Genuine ruckman.

The question is how do we address so many list shortcomings?

If players have serious question marks about them regardless of age then you do not have a solution to the problem at hand until someone actually consistently steps up.

Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Diocletian on September 30, 2024, 10:50:40 PM
Just remember claw you now have a specific thread to post your list analyses in so you can finally stop posting them in every other thread you contribute to..... :shh
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: MintOnLamb on October 01, 2024, 06:24:44 AM
Well I am thinking a good haul this year and with a bit of luck we could start a good core group.
At least we have 3 recent flags.

Take a look at the cliff Collingwood is about to fall off!!
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: TigerLand on October 01, 2024, 09:38:02 AM
This is how the comp is designed. Happens to all clubs bar Sydney (academy loophole) and Geelong (Cotton on loophole, luck and probably just good administration).

Only difference will be whether we do a GWS/Hawthorn or an Essendon/Crows one. North I'm convinced will be an absolute dominant side, let's not forget Melb and Lions were a basket case for 4 years each. We need to go through this and start a foundation of elite top end talent.

Apart from
B: Balta, Gibcus, Brown
M: Taranto, McAullife, Ross, HRS
F: Clarke, M.Rioli

The rest are just warming the lockers for next generation.

Maybe/Unknowns
B: Trecize
M: Sonsie,
F; Fawcett, Campbell

Our ruck stocks look ordinary but historically our best rucks have been trade ins. Nank, Maric, Stafford, even Dear. Ottens and Soldo only ones we've drafted and developed.

Id be recommending an absolute MUST is ensuring we draft Armstrong or Shanahan. Even hope a Whitlock is available in 2nd round to snap up 2 gun key forwards. Not many premiership teams are made without one or two gun key fwds
Hawks Buddy/Rough
Cats Hawkins/Mooney/JPod
Eagles JPK/Darling
Tiges Jack / Lynch (could argue 2017 we were smallest to win one with only Jack)
Pies had Miochevk and Cox who prob are exception to rule
Dees had Brown (Coleman medalist) and McDonald. Not amazing but still had em.
And now Lions with Daniher, Hipwood and Morris.

Speaking of Morris I hope Joe goes around again. Id throw the kitchen sink at Morris. Absolute star in making.

Draft wise focus on elite mids first, then ensure we get Armstrong or Shanahan. Even both.
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Andyy on October 01, 2024, 11:06:40 AM
I'm not sold on Gibcus purely because he hasn't been able to stay fit. Hopefully he's doing a Grimes.

McAuliffe also an unknown despite good VFL showing. MRJ I'd also say is warming a locker unless he pulls a finger out. Clarke too.

Campbell has shown enough to convince me it'll take a long time to get him out of the best 23.


Probably guaranteed starters med-long term:
B: Balta
M: Taranto, Ross, HRS,
F: Campbell, Brown, Mansell (yes, even mansell)

Warmers: Bauer, Green, Smith, Hopper, Kosi, Miller, Young

TBA: Banks, Blight, Clarke, Gibcus, Gray, Ryan, Sonsie, Trezise

Everyone else is either approaching retirement or haven't even debut'd or shown enough to make me think they should be in the TBA group lol.
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: the claw on October 01, 2024, 01:08:26 PM
Im 100% sold on Gibcus. You cannot predict injury. As far as talent goes he is an absolute gem.

If unsure about him recovering from injury then it would be very prudent to get our hands on another quality kpd just in case.
No point relying on Miller or Young we have seen plenty of them and atm they are more cover than starters. Blight is probably in the same basket.
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 01, 2024, 01:12:56 PM
Saw Gibcus at the AFLW last week, asked how he was going post reco and said really well. On track for round 1 2025
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Andyy on October 01, 2024, 01:49:36 PM
Saw Gibcus at the AFLW last week, asked how he was going post reco and said really well. On track for round 1 2025

Thanks for that, finally some good news.

Did Meehan come up? Or conditioning/recovery strategies changing etc?
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: tdy on October 03, 2024, 10:04:45 PM
I think we should draft a crap load of KPD because they take the longest to develop, assuming we are buying a ruckman again some day. I really hope they take no small forwards. Take only Mids and defenders and if there is a buddy take him.
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: one-eyed on October 15, 2024, 05:15:18 PM
"I like the fact they have Taranto in their team. I think he's been a great player for them, and the injuries he has had have been outside of his control...

Hopper still has time to be a successful acquisition for them. They have the inside area covered, if they could find a McKercher and a Windsor in this draft that would be a great start."

- Josh Jenkins

https://x.com/traderadio/status/1846061801991250215
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on October 15, 2024, 09:47:08 PM
"I like the fact they have Taranto in their team. I think he's been a great player for them, and the injuries he has had have been outside of his control...

Hopper still has time to be a successful acquisition for them. They have the inside area covered, if they could find a McKercher and a Windsor in this draft that would be a great start."

- Josh Jenkins

https://x.com/traderadio/status/1846061801991250215

Agree with this.
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Diocletian on October 15, 2024, 09:54:44 PM
Should still attend centre bounces when required but I'd play Taranto forward more in the Graham's old role, he'd be a massive upgrade plus we need to start getting more midfield minutes into the younger brigade and not just the new toys but the likes of McAullife, Sonsie and even Ross....... :shh
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Francois Jackson on October 18, 2024, 06:58:07 AM
If we take 7 or 8 to the draft how many do we need to cut? Guys like  Coulthard should go and can we put guys on the rookie list that have acls?

I'm not across this kind of stuff but I'm keen to know.
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 18, 2024, 04:14:21 PM
If we take 7 or 8 to the draft how many do we need to cut? Guys like  Coulthard should go and can we put guys on the rookie list that have acls?

I'm not across this kind of stuff but I'm keen to know.

Total list size has to be between 37-44 with 36-38 of these on your senior list. The rest made up with rookie listed players.

ATM from what I can see on the contracts list which hasn’t been updated in quite a while we have:
- 28 senior listed players
- 10 rookie listed players

So by my count, we could take all 8 picks in the national draft, but we would need to cut 2 rookies but then we’d have no room left for the PSD, SSP or mid-season draft.

It will be a lot clearer what we plan to do draft wise after they announce the delistings.
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: tdy on October 18, 2024, 07:39:15 PM
What does the Korin Gamadji academy do for us as far as players? Why don't we use it like the Sydney academy? Lobby the AFL for Sydney academy style priority access.
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 18, 2024, 08:04:45 PM
What does the Korin Gamadji academy do for us as far as players? Why don't we use it like the Sydney academy? Lobby the AFL for Sydney academy style priority access.

The Korin Gamadji institute isn't a football Academy, like the next gen academies, it isn't our  next generation academy.

It is a educational Academy for indigenous youth, yes there is some sport but predominantly an educational Academy

See https://kgi.org.au/about/

Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Tiger Khosh on October 19, 2024, 12:20:49 PM
So as far as I’m aware these are the players on our list still uncontracted for 2025:
Cumberland
Dow
McIntosh
Coulthard (cat A rookie)
Hayes-Brown (cat B rookie)
Colina (cat B rookie)

Reckon McIntosh will get a 1 year deal, we’ve lost a boat land of experience, don’t think there’s any harm in keeping him around another season.

Same with Cumberland. We just don’t have many forwards on the list, think on that basis he’ll get another year.

Dows an interesting one. He got so many games this year, you’d think Yze saw something in him, but given we’ll be drafting 4+ mids to go with TT, Prestia, Hopper, Ross, Sonsie, you’d think there wouldn’t be a spot for him.

Think OHB showed enough in the VFl to persist with him as a Cat B rookie.

All that leaves is Coulthard and Colina who I think are the only certain delistings.
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: the claw on October 20, 2024, 10:09:57 PM
So as far as I’m aware these are the players on our list still uncontracted for 2025:
Cumberland
Dow
McIntosh
Coulthard (cat A rookie)
Hayes-Brown (cat B rookie)
Colina (cat B rookie)

Reckon McIntosh will get a 1 year deal, we’ve lost a boat land of experience, don’t think there’s any harm in keeping him around another season.

Same with Cumberland. We just don’t have many forwards on the list, think on that basis he’ll get another year.

Dows an interesting one. He got so many games this year, you’d think Yze saw something in him, but given we’ll be drafting 4+ mids to go with TT, Prestia, Hopper, Ross, Sonsie, you’d think there wouldn’t be a spot for him.

Think OHB showed enough in the VFl to persist with him as a Cat B rookie.

All that leaves is Coulthard and Colina who I think are the only certain delistings.

The only one im keeping out of that lot is OHB.

By keeping Blight and Gray we need to keep cutting if we want to use 8 picks. Imo we are crazy to not use those 8 and make sure we have a look in the rookie and psd drafts with pick 1 in both.. By my calcs thats another four delistings.
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Andyy on October 21, 2024, 09:24:11 AM
So as far as I’m aware these are the players on our list still uncontracted for 2025:
Cumberland
Dow
McIntosh
Coulthard (cat A rookie)
Hayes-Brown (cat B rookie)
Colina (cat B rookie)

Reckon McIntosh will get a 1 year deal, we’ve lost a boat land of experience, don’t think there’s any harm in keeping him around another season.

Same with Cumberland. We just don’t have many forwards on the list, think on that basis he’ll get another year.

Dows an interesting one. He got so many games this year, you’d think Yze saw something in him, but given we’ll be drafting 4+ mids to go with TT, Prestia, Hopper, Ross, Sonsie, you’d think there wouldn’t be a spot for him.

Think OHB showed enough in the VFl to persist with him as a Cat B rookie.

All that leaves is Coulthard and Colina who I think are the only certain delistings.

The only one im keeping out of that lot is OHB.

By keeping Blight and Gray we need to keep cutting if we want to use 8 picks. Imo we are crazy to not use those 8 and make sure we have a look in the rookie and psd drafts with pick 1 in both.. By my calcs thats another four delistings.

I'd be keeping KMac as depth, with a view to phase him out by the end of 2025. We have lost a lot of mature bodies already.

Agree on the rest. I'd really like to see who's there for PSD + Rookie 1st picks. I'm open to picking up a mature ruck as we only have Nank who will get injured or suspended, Ryan who is a pussy, OHB who is raw AF and Colina who's just using RFC for back rehab + should be cut.


Otherwise we may be forced to use Balta as our #1 ruck which might actually be interesting and just throw all of Gibcus, Miller, Blight down back.
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: one-eyed on November 21, 2024, 09:35:39 PM
"Richmond is now the land of the giants with an average height of 190cm and 19 players over 194 cm"

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gc5k0b6XYAEZa8e?format=png&name=medium)
https://x.com/RichmondDynasty/status/1859534604765430000

Missing Alger who is 183cm.
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Siberian on November 21, 2024, 09:58:38 PM
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: TigerLand on November 21, 2024, 10:17:18 PM
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027

10000% thought exactly the same thing.
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Siberian on November 21, 2024, 10:24:51 PM
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027
Seems a pretty clear statement in what was billed as a midfield heavy draft
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: taztiger4 on November 21, 2024, 10:29:26 PM
Full house

Contracted Year end   #   First   Surname
2025   41   Sam   Banks
2025   30   Tom   Brown
2025   23   Judson   Clark
2025   27   Thomson   Dow
2025   37   Liam   Fawcett
2025   18   Josh    Gibcus
2025   48   Steely   Green
2025   20   Jacob   Koschitzke
2025   19   Tom   Lynch
2025   33   Kamdyn   McIntosh
2025   3   Dion    Prestia
2025   49   Kaleb   Smith
2025   40   Tyler    Sonsie
2025   45   Tylar   Young
2026      Jasper   Alger
2026   35   Nathan   Broad
2026   31   Rhyan   Mansell
2026   46   Ben   Miller
2026   25   Toby   Nankervis
2026   13   Hugo   Ralphsmith
2026   10   Maurice   Rioli Jnr
2026   5   Jack   Ross
2026      Thomas   Sims
2026   1   Nick   Vlastuin
2027      Harry    Armstrong
2027      Jonty   Faull
2027      Taj   Hotton
2027      Sam   Lalor
2027   28   Kane   McAuliffe
2027   32   Samson   Ryan
2027   15   Jayden   Short
2027      Josh   Smillie
2027      Luke    Trainor
2029   22   Jacob   Hopper
2029   14   Tim   Taranto
2032   21   Noah   Balta
Rookie         
2025   51   Jacob   Blight
2025   36   James   Trezise
2025   43   Jacob   Bauer
2025   52   Campbell   Gray
2026   44   Seth   Campbell
2026   42   Mykelti   Lefau
Cat B         
2025   39   Mate'   Colina
2025   47   Oliver   Hayes- Brown
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Diocletian on November 21, 2024, 10:39:28 PM
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027

We only got one KPD so the backs won't be as worried as the forwards, we also only drafted a hybrid forward/undersized ruck with  Ryan contracted for three years as Nank edges towards the end with only a couple of cat B basketballers behind him and any list should have at least three rucks. Lefau can also play in the guts - Fawcett, Gray.  & Kosi  the most under pressure I'd say. :shh
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Siberian on November 21, 2024, 10:43:06 PM
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027

We only got one KPD so the backs won't be as worried as the forwards, we also only drafted a hybrid forward/undersized ruck with  Ryan contracted for three years as Nank edges towards the end with only a couple of cat B basketballers behind him and any list should have at least three rucks. Lefau can also play in the guts - Fawcett, Gray.  & Kosi  the most under pressure I'd say. :shh
Imagine Ryan as your number 1 ruck, can't say I can see it happening, hope he comes good
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Diocletian on November 21, 2024, 10:45:55 PM
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027

We only got one KPD so the backs won't be as worried as the forwards, we also only drafted a hybrid forward/undersized ruck with  Ryan contracted for three years as Nank edges towards the end with only a couple of cat B basketballers behind him and any list should have at least three rucks. Lefau can also play in the guts - Fawcett, Gray.  & Kosi  the most under pressure I'd say. :shh
Imagine Ryan as your number 1 ruck, can't say I can see it happening, hope he comes good

Last game notwithstanding his best AFL games have been when Nank was out and. he was the #1 ruck. :shh
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Siberian on November 21, 2024, 10:54:17 PM
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027

We only got one KPD so the backs won't be as worried as the forwards, we also only drafted a hybrid forward/undersized ruck with  Ryan contracted for three years as Nank edges towards the end with only a couple of cat B basketballers behind him and any list should have at least three rucks. Lefau can also play in the guts - Fawcett, Gray.  & Kosi  the most under pressure I'd say. :shh
Imagine Ryan as your number 1 ruck, can't say I can see it happening, hope he comes good

Last game notwithstanding his best AFL games have been when Nank was out and. he was the #1 ruck. :shh
Don't disagree on Ryan's best position but I think the draft strategy is vote of no confidence in our current crop of talls
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Diocletian on November 21, 2024, 11:16:26 PM
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027

We only got one KPD so the backs won't be as worried as the forwards, we also only drafted a hybrid forward/undersized ruck with  Ryan contracted for three years as Nank edges towards the end with only a couple of cat B basketballers behind him and any list should have at least three rucks. Lefau can also play in the guts - Fawcett, Gray.  & Kosi  the most under pressure I'd say. :shh
Imagine Ryan as your number 1 ruck, can't say I can see it happening, hope he comes good

Last game notwithstanding his best AFL games have been when Nank was out and. he was the #1 ruck. :shh
Don't disagree on Ryan's best position but I think the draft strategy is vote of no confidence in our current crop of talls

Maybe so but seeing as we only just gave Ryan a 3 year extension a few month backs, I'd say, rightly or wrongly, he clearly wasn't one of the subjects of that no confidence vote.  :shh
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Siberian on November 21, 2024, 11:20:23 PM
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027

We only got one KPD so the backs won't be as worried as the forwards, we also only drafted a hybrid forward/undersized ruck with  Ryan contracted for three years as Nank edges towards the end with only a couple of cat B basketballers behind him and any list should have at least three rucks. Lefau can also play in the guts - Fawcett, Gray.  & Kosi  the most under pressure I'd say. :shh
Imagine Ryan as your number 1 ruck, can't say I can see it happening, hope he comes good

Last game notwithstanding his best AFL games have been when Nank was out and. he was the #1 ruck. :shh
Don't disagree on Ryan's best position but I think the draft strategy is vote of no confidence in our current crop of talls

Maybe so but seeing as we only just gave Ryan a 3 year extension a few month backs, I'd say, rightly or wrongly, he clearly wasn't one of the subjects of that no confidence vote.  :shh
Dammit your probably right
And Young is getting upgraded this year coming off a knee so someone is in his corner
Bad news for Gray and Kossi at least
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: tdy on November 23, 2024, 02:17:22 PM
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027
Very true. There's a whole bunch of middle 20s mediocrity on the list. The thing is more oldies will retire so how many duds will we be able to drop? Probably 3 or 4 oldies will retire maybe more.
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: ajGreen on November 24, 2024, 07:39:02 PM
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027

We only got one KPD so the backs won't be as worried as the forwards, we also only drafted a hybrid forward/undersized ruck with  Ryan contracted for three years as Nank edges towards the end with only a couple of cat B basketballers behind him and any list should have at least three rucks. Lefau can also play in the guts - Fawcett, Gray.  & Kosi  the most under pressure I'd say. :shh

Don't think the guy who is 19 and a half years old is under pressure.
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: tdy on November 26, 2024, 07:29:02 PM
This was interesting to look at.
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/tp-richmond-tigers
18 players with 10 or less games.
12 players with 11 to 50 games
Leaving 13 with 51+ games
We can't even field an 18 with 50 games, let alone a 22, we are so screwed for 2025 and the games profile won't improve in 2026 either as we will probably move 6 players into 50+ and lose from 4 to 6 from the oldies bracket. Time to take up watching tennis for a couple of years.
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Diocletian on November 26, 2024, 07:48:02 PM
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027

We only got one KPD so the backs won't be as worried as the forwards, we also only drafted a hybrid forward/undersized ruck with  Ryan contracted for three years as Nank edges towards the end with only a couple of cat B basketballers behind him and any list should have at least three rucks. Lefau can also play in the guts - Fawcett, Gray.  & Kosi  the most under pressure I'd say. :shh

Don't think the guy who is 19 and a half years old is under pressure.

Every fringe player coming out of contract is under pressure regardless of their age. :shh
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: WilliamPowell on November 26, 2024, 09:25:08 PM
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027

We only got one KPD so the backs won't be as worried as the forwards, we also only drafted a hybrid forward/undersized ruck with  Ryan contracted for three years as Nank edges towards the end with only a couple of cat B basketballers behind him and any list should have at least three rucks. Lefau can also play in the guts - Fawcett, Gray.  & Kosi  the most under pressure I'd say. :shh

Don't think the guy who is 19 and a half years old is under pressure.

Every fringe player coming out of contract is under pressure regardless of their age. :shh

I can't see Fawcett being under pressure at all. This is basically his first season after 2024 being cruelled by his back issues

Reckon they will give Gray every opportunity to get over his hamstring problem and time to settle into an AFL environment

Kosi most definitely
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Diocletian on November 26, 2024, 09:39:36 PM
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027

We only got one KPD so the backs won't be as worried as the forwards, we also only drafted a hybrid forward/undersized ruck with  Ryan contracted for three years as Nank edges towards the end with only a couple of cat B basketballers behind him and any list should have at least three rucks. Lefau can also play in the guts - Fawcett, Gray.  & Kosi  the most under pressure I'd say. :shh

Don't think the guy who is 19 and a half years old is under pressure.

Every fringe player coming out of contract is under pressure regardless of their age. :shh

I can't see Fawcett being under pressure at all. This is basically his first season after 2024 being cruelled by his back issues

Reckon they will give Gray every opportunity to get over his hamstring problem and time to settle into an AFL environment

Kosi most definitely

He was a pick in the  40's and we've just drafted three blokes inside the top 30 in his position in a deeper draft and could well bring in another top rated kid next year, if he doesn't make strides and others go past him he will totally be on the the chopping block short list as will Gray who was an MSD stop gap pick.... :shh
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: ajGreen on November 26, 2024, 09:47:49 PM
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027

We only got one KPD so the backs won't be as worried as the forwards, we also only drafted a hybrid forward/undersized ruck with  Ryan contracted for three years as Nank edges towards the end with only a couple of cat B basketballers behind him and any list should have at least three rucks. Lefau can also play in the guts - Fawcett, Gray.  & Kosi  the most under pressure I'd say. :shh

Don't think the guy who is 19 and a half years old is under pressure.

Every fringe player coming out of contract is under pressure regardless of their age. :shh

I can't see Fawcett being under pressure at all. This is basically his first season after 2024 being cruelled by his back issues

Reckon they will give Gray every opportunity to get over his hamstring problem and time to settle into an AFL environment

Kosi most definitely

He was a pick in the  40's and we've just drafted three blokes inside the top 30 in his position in a deeper draft and could well bring in another top rated kid next year, if he doesn't make strides and others go past him he will totally be on the the chopping block short list as will Gray who was an MSD stop gap pick.... :shh

Disagree. Fawcett safe as houses to be offered a new contract. Even with the influx of young talls.

Looks a good size now too
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Tiger Khosh on November 26, 2024, 10:01:59 PM
I think OHB is safe. Thought he showed good enough signs as a Cat B rookie to persevere with especially when you compare him to our other Cat B rookie listed player.

Kosi is unbelievably contracted until the end of 2026 so unless he retires or the club pays out the extra year of his deal, he won’t be going anywhere either.

Fawcett, Gray, Blight and especially Bauer would want to be showing something next year to be able to keep their spots. Generally don’t see KP players delisted at the end of their first contracts so maybe being too harsh on the 1st 3.
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: Hard Roar Tiger on November 27, 2024, 09:30:25 PM
At the risk of sounding like a poster I think it’s going to be as important to decide who we keep as it will be who we draft.  It’s the combination of the 2 which will deliver our next flag.
Exhibit A - Dan Rioli for Josh Smillie. Whether or not you rate Smillie, it cannot be argued that Smillie’s potential ceiling is far higher than Rioli’s over the next 10 years. These are not choices with a net zero sum game. There will be a clear winner and loser from this trade. Exhibit B with Bolton - Hotton and Baker with Faull. (We can argue 23 for Norfs first rounder might make the Rioli trade the deal of the century.
Similarly, keeping Lynch give Faull, Armstrong and Sim 3 years of quality on field forward craft coaching. You might say he won’t play but he can still develop these kids. It’s beautiful.
For me, this is the art of list management. If we get this right, it will be Blair’s flag and Toce’s legacy.
If it doesn’t come off, we can’t argue it wasn’t worth a crack.


Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: tdy on November 29, 2024, 12:01:54 AM
Time will tell if we end up better than the pies who have held off rebuilding as long as they can. In 2032 we can probably say who did it right.
Title: Re: List analysis
Post by: one-eyed on February 05, 2025, 08:39:15 PM
AFL mega list state of play

Dylan Bolch, Will Faulkner and Jack Jovanovski
Fox Sports
February 5th, 2025


The 2025 season hasn’t started yet, but planning for 2026 and beyond is well and truly underway inside AFL clubs.

Foxfooty.com.au runs through every team’s list state of play and identifies their biggest free agent and contract priorities entering the 2025 season.

RICHMOND

State of play:

The Tigers, who enter the season with the least expectation of any club after finishing the 2024 campaign dead-last, welcomed eight tantalising draftees into the fold to kickstart a youthful new era at Punt Road under Adem Yze. Outgoing, in turn, were a plethora of premiership players: Liam Baker, Shai Bolton, Jack Graham, Dylan Grimes, Dustin Martin, Marlion Pickett and Daniel Rioli.

Biggest free agency priorities:

Just the two names on this list for the Tigers — midfielder Dion Prestia and key forward Tom Lynch. Spearhead Lynch will be the biggest retention priority for Richmond. The dual premiership goalkicker had his name floated in trade rumours last year and will again be mentioned in movement speculation this year, particularly for sides in the flag window. Hard-nosed ball-winner Prestia, depending on how his body fares, should be in the frame for another go-around.

Biggest contract priorities:

With fewer higher-profile players remaining on the list, 2025 will be key in determining the futures of the club’s middling youngsters. Medium forward Jacob Bauer has flashed his athleticism and forward craft but will be hoping to consistently stay on the park. Emerging half-backers Tom Brown and Sam Banks aren’t likely going anywhere, while pressure forward Steely Green has shown enough glimpses to inspire confidence he will earn another contract. Half-forward Judson Clarke is coming off an ACL tear and should earn a reprieve, while a promising season for key backman Jacob Blight would ensure the 2024 mid-season draftee will remain beyond 2025. Important campaigns await Thomson Dow, Tyler Sonsie and Tylar Young, while this might be two-time flag-winner Kamdyn McIntosh’s final year.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2025-list-and-trade-state-of-play-free-agents-and-contracts-out-of-contract-priorities-at-every-club-analysis-latest-news/news-story/09835334eb8b9eb12f9535dddf418611