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Re: List analysis
« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2024, 10:54:17 PM »
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027

We only got one KPD so the backs won't be as worried as the forwards, we also only drafted a hybrid forward/undersized ruck with  Ryan contracted for three years as Nank edges towards the end with only a couple of cat B basketballers behind him and any list should have at least three rucks. Lefau can also play in the guts - Fawcett, Gray.  & Kosi  the most under pressure I'd say. :shh
Imagine Ryan as your number 1 ruck, can't say I can see it happening, hope he comes good

Last game notwithstanding his best AFL games have been when Nank was out and. he was the #1 ruck. :shh
Don't disagree on Ryan's best position but I think the draft strategy is vote of no confidence in our current crop of talls

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Re: List analysis
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2024, 11:16:26 PM »
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027

We only got one KPD so the backs won't be as worried as the forwards, we also only drafted a hybrid forward/undersized ruck with  Ryan contracted for three years as Nank edges towards the end with only a couple of cat B basketballers behind him and any list should have at least three rucks. Lefau can also play in the guts - Fawcett, Gray.  & Kosi  the most under pressure I'd say. :shh
Imagine Ryan as your number 1 ruck, can't say I can see it happening, hope he comes good

Last game notwithstanding his best AFL games have been when Nank was out and. he was the #1 ruck. :shh
Don't disagree on Ryan's best position but I think the draft strategy is vote of no confidence in our current crop of talls

Maybe so but seeing as we only just gave Ryan a 3 year extension a few month backs, I'd say, rightly or wrongly, he clearly wasn't one of the subjects of that no confidence vote.  :shh
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Re: List analysis
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2024, 11:20:23 PM »
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027

We only got one KPD so the backs won't be as worried as the forwards, we also only drafted a hybrid forward/undersized ruck with  Ryan contracted for three years as Nank edges towards the end with only a couple of cat B basketballers behind him and any list should have at least three rucks. Lefau can also play in the guts - Fawcett, Gray.  & Kosi  the most under pressure I'd say. :shh
Imagine Ryan as your number 1 ruck, can't say I can see it happening, hope he comes good

Last game notwithstanding his best AFL games have been when Nank was out and. he was the #1 ruck. :shh
Don't disagree on Ryan's best position but I think the draft strategy is vote of no confidence in our current crop of talls

Maybe so but seeing as we only just gave Ryan a 3 year extension a few month backs, I'd say, rightly or wrongly, he clearly wasn't one of the subjects of that no confidence vote.  :shh
Dammit your probably right
And Young is getting upgraded this year coming off a knee so someone is in his corner
Bad news for Gray and Kossi at least

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Re: List analysis
« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2024, 02:17:22 PM »
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027
Very true. There's a whole bunch of middle 20s mediocrity on the list. The thing is more oldies will retire so how many duds will we be able to drop? Probably 3 or 4 oldies will retire maybe more.

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Re: List analysis
« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2024, 07:39:02 PM »
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027

We only got one KPD so the backs won't be as worried as the forwards, we also only drafted a hybrid forward/undersized ruck with  Ryan contracted for three years as Nank edges towards the end with only a couple of cat B basketballers behind him and any list should have at least three rucks. Lefau can also play in the guts - Fawcett, Gray.  & Kosi  the most under pressure I'd say. :shh

Don't think the guy who is 19 and a half years old is under pressure.

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Re: List analysis
« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2024, 07:29:02 PM »
This was interesting to look at.
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/tp-richmond-tigers
18 players with 10 or less games.
12 players with 11 to 50 games
Leaving 13 with 51+ games
We can't even field an 18 with 50 games, let alone a 22, we are so screwed for 2025 and the games profile won't improve in 2026 either as we will probably move 6 players into 50+ and lose from 4 to 6 from the oldies bracket. Time to take up watching tennis for a couple of years.

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Re: List analysis
« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2024, 07:48:02 PM »
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027

We only got one KPD so the backs won't be as worried as the forwards, we also only drafted a hybrid forward/undersized ruck with  Ryan contracted for three years as Nank edges towards the end with only a couple of cat B basketballers behind him and any list should have at least three rucks. Lefau can also play in the guts - Fawcett, Gray.  & Kosi  the most under pressure I'd say. :shh

Don't think the guy who is 19 and a half years old is under pressure.

Every fringe player coming out of contract is under pressure regardless of their age. :shh
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Re: List analysis
« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2024, 09:25:08 PM »
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027

We only got one KPD so the backs won't be as worried as the forwards, we also only drafted a hybrid forward/undersized ruck with  Ryan contracted for three years as Nank edges towards the end with only a couple of cat B basketballers behind him and any list should have at least three rucks. Lefau can also play in the guts - Fawcett, Gray.  & Kosi  the most under pressure I'd say. :shh

Don't think the guy who is 19 and a half years old is under pressure.

Every fringe player coming out of contract is under pressure regardless of their age. :shh

I can't see Fawcett being under pressure at all. This is basically his first season after 2024 being cruelled by his back issues

Reckon they will give Gray every opportunity to get over his hamstring problem and time to settle into an AFL environment

Kosi most definitely
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Re: List analysis
« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2024, 09:39:36 PM »
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027

We only got one KPD so the backs won't be as worried as the forwards, we also only drafted a hybrid forward/undersized ruck with  Ryan contracted for three years as Nank edges towards the end with only a couple of cat B basketballers behind him and any list should have at least three rucks. Lefau can also play in the guts - Fawcett, Gray.  & Kosi  the most under pressure I'd say. :shh

Don't think the guy who is 19 and a half years old is under pressure.

Every fringe player coming out of contract is under pressure regardless of their age. :shh

I can't see Fawcett being under pressure at all. This is basically his first season after 2024 being cruelled by his back issues

Reckon they will give Gray every opportunity to get over his hamstring problem and time to settle into an AFL environment

Kosi most definitely

He was a pick in the  40's and we've just drafted three blokes inside the top 30 in his position in a deeper draft and could well bring in another top rated kid next year, if he doesn't make strides and others go past him he will totally be on the the chopping block short list as will Gray who was an MSD stop gap pick.... :shh
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Re: List analysis
« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2024, 09:47:49 PM »
If I was Kossi, Ryan, Lefau, Gray, Miller Blight or Young I would want to ge a kick next year, they won't all be there come 2027

We only got one KPD so the backs won't be as worried as the forwards, we also only drafted a hybrid forward/undersized ruck with  Ryan contracted for three years as Nank edges towards the end with only a couple of cat B basketballers behind him and any list should have at least three rucks. Lefau can also play in the guts - Fawcett, Gray.  & Kosi  the most under pressure I'd say. :shh

Don't think the guy who is 19 and a half years old is under pressure.

Every fringe player coming out of contract is under pressure regardless of their age. :shh

I can't see Fawcett being under pressure at all. This is basically his first season after 2024 being cruelled by his back issues

Reckon they will give Gray every opportunity to get over his hamstring problem and time to settle into an AFL environment

Kosi most definitely

He was a pick in the  40's and we've just drafted three blokes inside the top 30 in his position in a deeper draft and could well bring in another top rated kid next year, if he doesn't make strides and others go past him he will totally be on the the chopping block short list as will Gray who was an MSD stop gap pick.... :shh

Disagree. Fawcett safe as houses to be offered a new contract. Even with the influx of young talls.

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Re: List analysis
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2024, 10:01:59 PM »
I think OHB is safe. Thought he showed good enough signs as a Cat B rookie to persevere with especially when you compare him to our other Cat B rookie listed player.

Kosi is unbelievably contracted until the end of 2026 so unless he retires or the club pays out the extra year of his deal, he won’t be going anywhere either.

Fawcett, Gray, Blight and especially Bauer would want to be showing something next year to be able to keep their spots. Generally don’t see KP players delisted at the end of their first contracts so maybe being too harsh on the 1st 3.

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Re: List analysis
« Reply #41 on: November 27, 2024, 09:30:25 PM »
At the risk of sounding like a poster I think it’s going to be as important to decide who we keep as it will be who we draft.  It’s the combination of the 2 which will deliver our next flag.
Exhibit A - Dan Rioli for Josh Smillie. Whether or not you rate Smillie, it cannot be argued that Smillie’s potential ceiling is far higher than Rioli’s over the next 10 years. These are not choices with a net zero sum game. There will be a clear winner and loser from this trade. Exhibit B with Bolton - Hotton and Baker with Faull. (We can argue 23 for Norfs first rounder might make the Rioli trade the deal of the century.
Similarly, keeping Lynch give Faull, Armstrong and Sim 3 years of quality on field forward craft coaching. You might say he won’t play but he can still develop these kids. It’s beautiful.
For me, this is the art of list management. If we get this right, it will be Blair’s flag and Toce’s legacy.
If it doesn’t come off, we can’t argue it wasn’t worth a crack.


“I find it nearly impossible to make those judgments, but he is certainly up there with the really important ones, he is certainly up there with the Francis Bourkes and the Royce Harts and the Kevin Bartlett and the Kevin Sheedys, there is no doubt about that,” Balme said.

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Re: List analysis
« Reply #42 on: November 29, 2024, 12:01:54 AM »
Time will tell if we end up better than the pies who have held off rebuilding as long as they can. In 2032 we can probably say who did it right.