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Every AFL club’s biggest trade target and scenarios with out-of-contract stars — Mega trade state of play
Will Faulkner
Fox Sports
June 5th, 2025
RICHMOND
Given the expectation that Richmond would be well entrenched with their rebuild this year, Punt Road hasn’t been the final destination that it once was for players on the move — but that could already be changing.
The club has done very well to lock away and extend a number of young guns early into 2025, and it could entice the future recruitment of Harley Reid.
West Coast’s number one pick from the 2023 draft has been linked to several Victorian clubs, but no doubt with plenty of money to splash and a serious amount of potential in the coming years, the Tigers could well be a point of attraction for the young gun — should he choose to move back to his home state sometime in the next 18 months.
One of the club’s most in-form players currently out of contract right now is Sam Banks, who has flourished in his role off half-back in the senior side.
Teammate Thomson Dow is without a contract beyond 2025, and while he’ll miss a substantial period due to a kneecap dislocation, it looks likely that he’s done enough to earn a new deal.
Mid-season draftee Jacob Blight has shown plenty of promise down back as well, and surely deserves a new contract.
The club will also face decisions on the future of premiership heroes Tom Lynch, Dion Prestia and Kamdyn McIntosh. Each has a genuine case to keep playing next year — and quite possibly beyond — but staying fit and healthy between now and then will be the biggest factor in their future.
The likes of Campbell Gray, Tyler Sonsie, Tylar Young, Liam Fawcett and Jacob Bauer will all be battling to continue their AFL careers at Punt Road in the coming months.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-2025-midseason-trade-state-of-play-for-every-club-trade-and-free-agent-targets-players-out-of-contract-analysis-latest-news/news-story/cf6c8470a52ab14692b98568286faeba?recommendedCount=0
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Reckon this idiot doesn't watch much footy.
Dow will get a contract but shouldn't.
Lynch will if fit. Prestia the same. Kmac not a chance.
Blight, Gray, Sonsie, Fawcett, Young will all get contracts too for better or worse.
Bauer is finito surely.
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I don’t think kmac isn’t a chance. He’s been best 22/23 all season according to match committee. Is fit as a fiddle and can’t remember the last time he was injured. Wouldn’t be surprised if they gave him another 1 year.
I think Dow and Sonsie may be moved on especially if we are picking up another 2/3 mids in the draft / trades. Sonsie I feel may seek opportunity elsewhere rather than being delisted if he doesn’t hold his place at AFL level.
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This will be just Claw still having a go at poor old Kamdyn.
If he had a brain he would just retire at seasons end. He has become the epitomy of a list clogger for me.
That is a mature player who is no longer good enough but continues to get games in front of younger players. He not only gets games but in roles he is lousy at.
He just does not have anything to offer anymore.
Retire please.
If it came down to keeping say Jack Ross or say Smith id get rid of Ross even though right atm we are likely to get more out of him but he sure as hell is not and has never been the future. Like Kamdyn he will get games in roles that should be going to kids.Smith may not be an answer either but id rather play him instead and find out we know what we are gunna get with Ross.
The worst of a clubs list cloggers are the ones that ultimately play 80 100 games but are never going to take you anywhere. They are the ones that stall or slow down rebuilds for me out Ross and in a real mid trade or free agency who can actually help the kids and improve the area.
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RICHMOND
It’s only been positive news at Punt Road in recent weeks, with the Tigers re-signing a host of young talent once again since our last club update.
Defender Sam Banks has flourished in recent weeks and earned himself a deal until the end of 2027, while Liam Fawcett has signed a one-year deal into 2026.
Given the expectation that Richmond would be well entrenched with their rebuild this year, Punt Road hasn’t been the final destination that it once was for players on the move — but that could already be changing.
The future recruitment of Harley Reid will only become more and more likely over time, however West Coast’s number one pick from the 2023 draft has been linked to several Victorian clubs. But with plenty of money to splash and a serious amount of potential in the coming years, the Tigers could well be a point of attraction for the young gun — should he choose to move back to his home state sometime in the next 18 months.
Teammate Thomson Dow is one still without a contract beyond 2025, and while he’ll miss a substantial period due to a kneecap dislocation, it looks likely that he’s still done enough to earn a new deal.
Mid-season draftee Jacob Blight has shown plenty of promise down back as well, and surely deserves a new contract too.
Seven’s Mitch Cleary reported recently that the Tigers have started early talks on a one-year extension at Punt Road for Tom Lynch, however the future is less clear for fellow veterans Dion Prestia and Kamdyn McIntosh. Both have a genuine case to keep playing next year — and quite possibly beyond — but staying fit and healthy between now and then will be the biggest factor in their future.
The likes of Campbell Gray, Tyler Sonsie, Tylar Young, and Jacob Bauer will all be hoping to continue their AFL careers also with a new deal.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-2025-round-16-trade-state-of-play-for-every-club-trade-and-free-agent-targets-players-out-of-contract-analysis-latest-news/news-story/f55927910e4e10ffd0fb9984773b6e3a
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Who your club should be delisting or trading at season’s end
HeraldSun
31 July 2025
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/verdict-on-every-clubs-offcontract-players-and-names-that-could-shake-up-the-trade-period/news-story/a5df426ca7cedeb1ccdf7f3dae7dba5f
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Vlas is going nowhere and at no point has short been out of favour unless they mean with the fans lol
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Short maybe.
Floss a hard no from me. In fact more of a gagf
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Short is a good trdeable asset if a reasonable offer is made although I must say the combo of him and banks has been good the last few weeks. Small sample size though.
I was just disputing that he has been out of favour. Like he has played every single game other than that block where he was injured and then came back through the vfl for 1 game.
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Short is a good trdeable asset if a reasonable offer is made although I must say the combo of him and banks has been good the last few weeks. Small sample size though.
I was just disputing that he has been out of favour. Like he has played every single game other than that block where he was injured and then came back through the vfl for 1 game.
You're correct, only out of favour with the fans.
He's just not physical enough, period. Sometimes he does the odd thing but that's all. Bit like Sonsie, Brandon Ellis etc. They just aren't born with the right kahuna size.
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Dion Prestia will soon sign a one-year extension, while key back Tylar Young can expect a new deal after a strong finish to the year coming off an ACL tear.
Tyler Sonsie, Thomson Dow, Kaleb Smith, Jacob Blight and Campbell Gray are without deals so far.
Source: HeraldSun (https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-weigh-up-trading-top-pick-with-adem-yze-nearing-extension/news-story/0aa494cebec2f0fcb4c42acbb09aec2e)
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I'd almost keep all 5 tbh.
Tall depth is good.
Smith is so young still.
Sonsie and Dow shown enough that they deserve one year at least imo.
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Think alot of it will come down to who we trade or are able to trade
We need a minimum 4 spots
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Dion Prestia will soon sign a one-year extension, while key back Tylar Young can expect a new deal after a strong finish to the year coming off an ACL tear.
Tyler Sonsie, Thomson Dow, Kaleb Smith, Jacob Blight and Campbell Gray are without deals so far.
Source: HeraldSun (https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/tigers-weigh-up-trading-top-pick-with-adem-yze-nearing-extension/news-story/0aa494cebec2f0fcb4c42acbb09aec2e)
Trade or delist all please
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Think alot of it will come down to who we trade or are able to trade
We need a minimum 4 spots
^This.
Kmac has opened up 1 list spot. If we are taking our 2 picks to the draft and also intending to get kellaway then we need another minimum 2 of those to be gone.
I suspect 3 of those 5 to be delisted.
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If rumours are true re: that rosas bloke from GC then 4 need to go.
Bauer needs to go and Colina as well despite not even counting. We aren't a serious club if we see his name again.
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Blight is 💯 gone
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Short maybe.
Floss a hard no from me. In fact more of a gagf
Agree Vlastuin is the exact on field type you want leading young players not to mention he is a proven outstanding player who actually leads from the front with both actions and ability.
Short well imo he is the exact opposite of Vlastuin and has been lauded for way too long for all the wrong reasons.
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Richmond has confirmed that AFL players Jacob Bauer and Mate Colina will not be offered contracts for the 2026 AFL season.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1877401/richmond-list-update
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Richmond has confirmed that AFL players Jacob Bauer and Mate Colina will not be offered contracts for the 2026 AFL season.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1877401/richmond-list-update
Sad to see Colina go
Showed plenty
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Richmond has confirmed that AFL players Jacob Bauer and Mate Colina will not be offered contracts for the 2026 AFL season.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1877401/richmond-list-update
Sad to see Colina go
Showed plenty
Catergory B list clogger
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Blight is 💯 gone
Wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up on another list next year
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Blight is 💯 gone
Wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up on another list next year
Yep, reckon he'll get traded
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Richmond has confirmed that AFL players Jacob Bauer and Mate Colina will not be offered contracts for the 2026 AFL season.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1877401/richmond-list-update
Those are the 2 obvious ones, once the vfl season ends we’ll see what happens with smith, Sonsie, Dow, Gray and Blight.
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Richmond has confirmed that AFL players Jacob Bauer and Mate Colina will not be offered contracts for the 2026 AFL season.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1877401/richmond-list-update
Sad to see Colina go
Showed plenty
Catergory B list clogger
Sorry mate
Didnt think the sarcasm emoji was needed in this intance
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West Coast, Richmond, North Melbourne, Melbourne, Port Adelaide, St Kilda, Carlton and Sydney have all completed their exit interviews with players across recent days. – Riley Beveridge
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1403943/inside-trading-docker-to-make-call-on-future-dees-chase-tall-saint-giants-list-squeeze
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Staying or going? The latest intel and verdict on every Richmond player ahead of 2026
Full article: https://archive.md/NQ2D7#selection-645.0-645.85
According to this HeraldSun article:
Sonsie - watch this space
Blight - wait and see
Gray - wait and see
Hayes-Brown - wait and see
Smith - wait and see
Dow - wait and see
Young - likely staying
Koschitzke - likely going
McIntosh - going
Colina - going
Bauer - going
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Richmond has confirmed that AFL players Jacob Bauer and Mate Colina will not be offered contracts for the 2026 AFL season.
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1877401/richmond-list-update
Sad to see Colina go
Showed plenty
Catergory B list clogger
Sorry mate
Didnt think the sarcasm emoji was needed in this intance
Nor did I with mine
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Staying or going? The latest intel and verdict on every Richmond player ahead of 2026
Full article: https://archive.md/NQ2D7#selection-645.0-645.85
According to this HeraldSun article:
Sonsie - watch this space
Blight - wait and see
Gray - wait and see
Hayes-Brown - wait and see
Smith - wait and see
Dow - wait and see
Young - likely staying
Koschitzke - likely going
McIntosh - going
Colina - going
Bauer - going
"Wait and see" and " watch this space" = we have no idea what's going on
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Staying or going? The latest intel and verdict on every Richmond player ahead of 2026
Full article: https://archive.md/NQ2D7#selection-645.0-645.85
According to this HeraldSun article:
Sonsie - watch this space
Blight - wait and see
Gray - wait and see
Hayes-Brown - wait and see
Smith - wait and see
Dow - wait and see
Young - likely staying
Koschitzke - likely going
McIntosh - going
Colina - going
Bauer - going
"Wait and see" and " watch this space" = we have no idea what's going on
Blight is definitely gone.. will be traded back to WA
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Know I’ll get howled down but I would give McIntosh anther year.
AFL insurance in case of injuries and good to have around the club
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There’s only 4 premiership players left. We are gonna need all the help we can get while we transition .
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Know I’ll get howled down but I would give McIntosh anther year.
AFL insurance in case of injuries and good to have around the club
So who do you get rid of to create the space for our 2 draft picks and the Campbell upgrade?
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Know I’ll get howled down but I would give McIntosh anther year.
AFL insurance in case of injuries and good to have around the club
So who do you get rid of to create the space for our 2 draft picks and the Campbell upgrade?
Can we give him a rookie spot?
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Jon Ralph reporting Gray has signed a 2 year extension.
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There’s only 4 premiership players left. We are gonna need all the help we can get while we transition .
There’s 6: Vlas, Lynch, Prestia, Nank, Broad and Short.
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6 is still very thin on the ground
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From Jon Ralph (@RalphyHeraldSun) X (Twitter)
Campbell Gray has signed a two year deal with the Tigers but a trio of clubs are chasing Tylar Young after a strong finish to the season. Dow will have to wait on a deal, Blight hasn’t been offered one yet 👇heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/nort…
https://x.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1962429186427294112?t=KUlwgOulWtNTLSDi5B74ew&s=19
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How are we going to fit them all in our salary cap?
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How are we going to fit them all in our salary cap?
:lol :lol :lol
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From Jon Ralph (@RalphyHeraldSun) X (Twitter)
Campbell Gray has signed a two year deal with the Tigers but a trio of clubs are chasing Tylar Young after a strong finish to the season. Dow will have to wait on a deal, Blight hasn’t been offered one yet 👇heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/nort…
https://x.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1962429186427294112?t=KUlwgOulWtNTLSDi5B74ew&s=19
Young has shown strong glimpses against the game's best forwards but has been challenged to keep his spot in the senior side, with his current contract situation now said to be earning the attention of rival clubs.
According to News Corp, Young has interest from North Melbourne, West Coast and the Western Bulldogs, who are all keen to bolster their backline.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/afl/richmond-defender-linked-to-trio-of-rivals-afl-trade-news/ar-AA1LDnLL
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From Jon Ralph (@RalphyHeraldSun) X (Twitter)
Campbell Gray has signed a two year deal with the Tigers but a trio of clubs are chasing Tylar Young after a strong finish to the season. Dow will have to wait on a deal, Blight hasn’t been offered one yet 👇heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/nort…
https://x.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1962429186427294112?t=KUlwgOulWtNTLSDi5B74ew&s=19
Young has shown strong glimpses against the game's best forwards but has been challenged to keep his spot in the senior side, with his current contract situation now said to be earning the attention of rival clubs.
According to News Corp, Young has interest from North Melbourne, West Coast and the Western Bulldogs, who are all keen to bolster their backline.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/afl/richmond-defender-linked-to-trio-of-rivals-afl-trade-news/ar-AA1LDnLL
Any of Sheezel, Reid or Darcy will be fine thanks boys :lol
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Know I’ll get howled down but I would give McIntosh anther year.
AFL insurance in case of injuries and good to have around the club
So who do you get rid of to create the space for our 2 draft picks and the Campbell upgrade?
Tricky one, I hate to put anyone down but Dow seems surplus to requirements, has had a fair go and May be ready to go to another level so would be tricky to say he has more upside, and thinking about it you are probably right but I still love The KMac
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This might be the wrong spot to write, but if we traded young, that moves Balta back again, we sign blight and have just sign Gray who would be depth. obviously only worth it depending on what we would get for young!?
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We would get more for trading you Wazza
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We would get more for trading you Wazza
Lol. Mate if the tiges need me I'll lace up. I still have more pace than ole meatball 👍
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blight , kosi gone. Dont need them at all.
2 more spots freed up.
how does our ND picks look now. 1 more spot possible for a MSD or pre season?
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Thought Kosi was contracted? Clearly not
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Blight was a rookie wasn’t he ?
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Blight was a rookie wasn’t he ?
yes was
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I also thought kosi was contracted next year. Wasn’t it a 3 year deal when we got him from the hawks?
Anyway, strikes me that the likes of Sonsie, Dow and Smith have been told that they’d need to wait until after the trade period before a call is made on them, unless they’ve quietly re-signed.
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I also thought kosi was contracted next year. Wasn’t it a 3 year deal when we got him from the hawks?
Anyway, strikes me that the likes of Sonsie, Dow and Smith have been told that they’d need to wait until after the trade period before a call is made on them, unless they’ve quietly re-signed.
I was sure he was on 3 years too, odd.
We still need another spot I believe, so one of those 3 needs to go. I'd prefer Dow to be it.
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I also thought kosi was contracted next year. Wasn’t it a 3 year deal when we got him from the hawks?
Anyway, strikes me that the likes of Sonsie, Dow and Smith have been told that they’d need to wait until after the trade period before a call is made on them, unless they’ve quietly re-signed.
I was sure he was on 3 years too, odd.
We still need another spot I believe, so one of those 3 needs to go. I'd prefer Dow to be it.
I suspect that maybe he needed to hit a certain target to trigger the 3rd year which he didn’t do.
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I thought Blight would have some value but I guess it's not easy to negotiate a trade when the other party knows you can't or won't keep him
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Any further news regarding Young?
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Any further news regarding Young?
No, if there was it would be posted
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Richmond List Update: Koschitzke and Blight
Richmond has confirmed Jacob Koschitzke and Jacob Blight will not be offered a contract in 2026.
By Richmond Media
Sep 3, 2025, 1:25 pm
Richmond has advised players Jacob Koschitzke and Jacob Blight that they will not be offered a contract for the 2026 AFL season.
Koschitzke played 16 games for Richmond across two seasons. He booted 12 goals from 14 AFL games in 2024 but only managed two games this year.
The 25-year-old had previously played 48 games for Hawthorn where he was selected at pick No. 52 overall at the 2018 AFL National Draft and spent five seasons.
Koschitzke played at both ends of the ground this season at VFL level.
Blight, 23, played 10 games for the Tigers after being selected with the 2nd pick overall at last year’s Mid-Season Rookie Draft.
The West Australian played seven of those matches this season, including the opening five matches of the year.
Richmond Executive General Manager, Football Talent, Blair Hartley, thanked Koschitzke and Blight for their time at the Club.
“We thank both players for their hard work and application during their time at the Club,” he said.
“Jacob (Koschitzke) to his credit certainly put his best foot forward at VFL level this year and played a number of roles with minimum fuss.
“Jacob (Blight) moved across the country to play with the Club mid-way through last year and we thank him for his commitment during his 18 months with us.
“We wish them both well for their future pursuits.”
https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1884230/richmond-list-update-koschitzke-and-blight
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Richmond fans left dumbfounded as WA mid-season draftee Jacob Blight delisted by Tigers
Jake Santa Maria
The West Australian
3 September 2025
Furious Richmond fans have turned on the club after their “mind boggling” call to axe West Australian product Jacob Blight.
The mature-aged recruit was selected with pick No.2 in the 2024 mid-season rookie draft and went on to play 10 games, showing promise as he was tried as both a forward and defender.
The 23-year-old played in seven games this year, including their shock round one win over Carlton, but fell out of favour towards the end of the season, despite picking up 17 touches in his final game against Geelong.
Blight was one game away from hitting a one-year trigger in his contract, but was never named in the squad again.
Coach Adem Yze bizarrely claimed at the time he was not aware of the trigger.
One hour after confirming his delisting on social media — alongside fellow Tiger Jacob Koschitzke — all but six of 151 comments on an Instagram post were blasting the club over the decision to cut Blight.
“What the hell has Jacob Blight done other then out all effort in to stay in the team and confirm a spot in the 22,” one user wrote on Instagram.
“Why did they bother bringing Blight over from WA? A waste of his time - he was not given a chance at all!,” another said.
“Blight is going to be a great player, I’ve just lost a bit of faith in the Tigers list management team.”
“Blight revenge game will feed generations,” another wrote. “Don’t have to be dead to be stiff.”
The club did not give reasoning for his cut, only wishing him well in a brief statement.
The Tigers are eager to clear up list spots as they enter the draft with another strong hand, but many questioned letting go of Blight, with fans accusing the club of mothballing him.
“Really disappointed with the decision to not offer Blight a contract extension, thought he played pretty well in my opinion but didn’t get chance,” Craig Young wrote in response to the announcement.
“Should have kept Blight and actually given him a go. Hope he finds a bright future. Sad loss,” wrote Sharon Gallaway.
“That’s a blight on the club letting Blight go…. He’s going ok!,” Stephen Ash said.
“Blight looks amazing, what are we doing?” another said.
“Letting Blight go is actually really strange. I thought he played really well at senior level and I’m surprised he wasn’t played more,” X user Mick G posted.
Many predicted Blight would find a new home back in WA particularly with West Coast looking to bolster their defensive stocks following the loss of Tom Barrass and Jeremy McGovern in the past two seasons.
“Blight looked fantastic, was there something he did to get on the club’s bad side? Because I can’t work that out. Surely he gets to another club and goes well,” Chris Lane said.
“Blight is going to get picked up by West Coast and we are going to look stupid,” Nick Ash concurred.
“I could see Blight with a WCE jumper on next year. He would be a good addition to Mini’s team. Sad to see him go but I hope he gets a run over there,” Troy Michie wrote.
“Hoping West Coast pick up blight. Waste of talent.”
https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-fans-left-dumbfounded-as-wa-mid-season-draftee-jacob-blight-delisted-by-tigers-c-19896972
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Any further news regarding Young?
No, if there was it would be posted
Sorry just being impatient and posters on here I have found to be really good at finding out news very quickly
(edited to correct quote)
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Any further news regarding Young?
With Kossie and Blight gone id say Young is still a chance to stay simply because of numbers.
Lets just say this is the senior structure
#### - Balta - Trainor
#### - Miller - ####
The mirror image in the twos
#### - Young - Gray
#### - Gibcus - ####
Thats exactly what we need as far as depth and competition goes for spots. With talls gone it gives us some scope to address other areas that badly need fixing.
Reckon as many as5 OR 6 talls could go this off season.
Kossie, Young in a trade, Bauer, Blight, Colina. and it would help greatly correcting list balance.
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Any further news regarding Young?
With Kossie and Blight gone id say Young is still a chance to stay simply because of numbers.
Lets just say this is the senior structure
#### - Balta - Trainor
#### - Miller - ####
The mirror image in the twos
#### - Young - Gray
#### - Gibcus - ####
Thats exactly what we need as far as depth and competition goes for spots. With talls gone it gives us some scope to address other areas that badly need fixing.
Reckon as many as5 OR 6 talls could go this off season.
Kossie, Young in a trade, Bauer, Blight, Colina. and it would help greatly correcting list balance.
Sounds like north have gone off him too preferring other options
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If there is a club we can learn from building our list up, it's Hawthorn.
Like or hate it, their rebuild has been nothing short of impressive.
Lessons learnt in that they got it wrong in drafting in Omeara, Wingard and Mitchell for a quick tilt after their dynasty. Like or hate it, this model backs up the idea of shopping Hopper and Taranto around for younger players currency. Hawks window is now open again and Mitchell, Wingard and Omeara are all finished. Our next tilt is so unlikely to involve Hopper or Taranto, at least one of them should be shopped around, id take a high 2nd round pick for Hopper. We can keep Tim but I'd certainly take a decent package of picks or a decent young player swap for him.
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Not a bad analogy at all.
The trick is not becoming devoid of experienced players all together. Another stumbling block for us is our mid tier are so ordinary.
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W Day pick 13
watson pick 5
newcombe rookie
impey pick 33
hardwick 44
this club has always traded well. They lost buddy and many thought the world was going to end. Yet they won more flags without him.
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Newcombe is surely the best MSD to date
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Newcombe is surely the best MSD to date
Yeah but did he win a flag in his first game……..?
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If there is a club we can learn from building our list up, it's Hawthorn.
Like or hate it, their rebuild has been nothing short of impressive.
Lessons learnt in that they got it wrong in drafting in Omeara, Wingard and Mitchell for a quick tilt after their dynasty. Like or hate it, this model backs up the idea of shopping Hopper and Taranto around for younger players currency. Hawks window is now open again and Mitchell, Wingard and Omeara are all finished. Our next tilt is so unlikely to involve Hopper or Taranto, at least one of them should be shopped around, id take a high 2nd round pick for Hopper. We can keep Tim but I'd certainly take a decent package of picks or a decent young player swap for him.
Our model is different. 5 picks from 2021, 7 last year and 2 more this year - that’s 14 top 30 picks from the last 5 drafts. Hawks barely have anyone from the top 5 apart from the little flog.
I agree we can learn from them but I also think we can learn from what we did from 2004-2013 where we blended top end draft talent with rookie picks and smart trading to round out list needs. This one has a similar feel to it
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That’s true , we didn’t have too much luck with the later draft picks but nailed some rookies in those years. Good research by our recruiters to find them.
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If there is a club we can learn from building our list up, it's Hawthorn.
Like or hate it, their rebuild has been nothing short of impressive.
Lessons learnt in that they got it wrong in drafting in Omeara, Wingard and Mitchell for a quick tilt after their dynasty. Like or hate it, this model backs up the idea of shopping Hopper and Taranto around for younger players currency. Hawks window is now open again and Mitchell, Wingard and Omeara are all finished. Our next tilt is so unlikely to involve Hopper or Taranto, at least one of them should be shopped around, id take a high 2nd round pick for Hopper. We can keep Tim but I'd certainly take a decent package of picks or a decent young player swap for him.
Our model is different. 5 picks from 2021, 7 last year and 2 more this year - that’s 14 top 30 picks from the last 5 drafts. Hawks barely have anyone from the top 5 apart from the little flog.
I agree we can learn from them but I also think we can learn from what we did from 2004-2013 where we blended top end draft talent with rookie picks and smart trading to round out list needs. This one has a similar feel to it
Absolutely, the point was more that they've rebuilt quicker then many, if anyone back to a prelim from finishing top 4 in 2018 and then bottoming out. Since 2018 they traded back out O'Meara, Wingard and Mitchell to allow for younger crop to come in and develop. This it's worth exploring our equivalent trade ins of Hopper and Taranto.
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The 2021 draft at this stage is a bust for me.
Gibcus hasn't been on the park most of three years but may still turn this decision around.
Brown good.
Banks good enough.
Sonsie bust.
Clarke bust.
Not saying it's Gibcus and Clarke's fault as such but all things considered if we only yield 2/5 players from those picks it's a fail.
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I am not giving up on Gibcus and think that both Brown and Banks have shown enough to this point. Agree they haven’t done enough but they can’t be ruled out.
The 2006 - 2009 period yielded our premiership core and we then nailed rookie, trade and draft from 2010-2013 that delivered the list which got us into finals before the famous 2016 bounty.
To some extent, we are in a similar position as we were in 2010-2011 right now.
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I am not giving up on Gibcus and think that both Brown and Banks have shown enough to this point. Agree they haven’t done enough but they can’t be ruled out.
The 2006 - 2009 period yielded our premiership core and we then nailed rookie, trade and draft from 2010-2013 that delivered the list which got us into finals before the famous 2016 bounty.
To some extent, we are in a similar position as we were in 2010-2011 right now.
If Gibcus comes good and we end up with 3 best 23 players out of 5x top 30 picks that's probably acceptable.
If we end up with 2/5 that's a fail IMO.
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Yep. That makes sense to me
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That’s the danger with loading up on picks for a single draft, your bound to get a couple of busts
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That’s the danger with loading up on picks for a single draft, your bound to get a couple of busts
Just as big a chance to draft a bust with smaller amounts of picks spread over multiple drafts
Strength of the draft obviously plays a factor .. Eg last year was a great year to have a big draft hand
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That’s the danger with loading up on picks for a single draft, your bound to get a couple of busts
Yep and sometimes teams get lucky (or pick well) and bail every pick
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Been saying list turnover is crucial since this time last year.
We are not going to get that needed turnover and we are not going to have many nd picks. This has been an area they have had all year to come up with a plan to get if not back into the draft then target Out of contract players state league types and F/A's.
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Been saying list turnover is crucial since this time last year.
We are not going to get that needed turnover and we are not going to have many nd picks. This has been an area they have had all year to come up with a plan to get if not back into the draft then target Out of contract players state league types and F/A's.
Why do you think Sonsie, Dow and Smith haven’t received contracts ? Club is leaving those spots open in case we make deals whether it be more picks or players
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Providing we have 2 picks in this year’s draft it means 18 picks since 2021. Add maybe a rookie or 2 this year we have averaged 5 kids per year in 5 years which I think is about right.
11 first rounders in that list with 5 top 10 picks.
If we can emerge with 10-12 as our core in 3-4 years time then we will have successfully reengineered the list we previously built through 2006-2012 that delivered the last set of flags.
That part of the list rebuild will have been done so the next 3 years will be critical to finding the nuggets in the rookie drafts, discards from other clubs that can fill our list needs and then hopefully put the icing on the cake with a marquee free agents going into 2028 or 2029
All we need is the right off field support that delivers the development, strength and conditioning to get the most out of our playing group
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Cannot start at the 2021 draft. What we did in 2020 determined our picks in 2021.
We traded Higgins himself a first round pick with pick 21 and a future 4th. From the saints we got pick 17 and a future 2nd in effect we got a small upgrade on pick 21 and a second rounder. We then traded that pick 17 which had become pick 20 by the time of trade to Geelong who used it on Max Holmes. In return we got their future first that became i believe pick 17 and Tom Brown. The second rounder we got out of all that from the saints became pick 30 and Judson Clarke.
The upshot of the wheeling and dealing is we had just two nd picks in 2020 40 Ryan and 51 Green.
The bottom line in those two seasons we had 7 nd picks and lost Higgins.
We obviously thought we had done enough as far as rebuilds go because we then traded the farm for Taranto and Hopper leaving us with just two ND picks in both 2022 and 2023. Yep they were ready to go and win another. How wrong could they have got it.We have the worst season we have ever had and win just two games.
Thank god for small mercies end of 2024 we have an exodus of players who saw the writing on the wall we win 5 games and finish second last instead of last mainly on the back of playing most of the experienced players we have.
We have not embraced the nd apart from last year through neccesity and even then we have hadly cut hard and deep.
So here we are end of 2025 and currently we have yes you guessed it just 2 nd picks again i hope they dont think the job was done last year because it was really just the beginning.
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Craw essay season has begun. May god have mercy on us all.
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Craw essay season has begun. May god have mercy on us all.
Amen brother
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It’s like my wife telling me about her day. I absorb the first 2 lines and then it becomes chocolate land thought bubbles.
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It’s like my wife telling me about her day. I absorb the first 2 lines and then it becomes chocolate land thought bubbles.
:lol
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It’s like my wife telling me about her day. I absorb the first 2 lines and then it becomes chocolate land thought bubbles.
Don't kid ya self your not capable of absorbing two lines.
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Blair Hartley discussing where Sonsie and Dow sit right now.
Go to 2:50 min mark: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1916195/hell-give-us-some-run-through-the-wing-and-the-half-back-hartley
"It's an unfortunate part of what we have to do. We have to keep spots open. So just through the next little bit while we're working through the pick swap window, we'll have to leave those spots on and that's where it sits with them [Sonsie & Dow] right now." - Blair Hartley
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It’s like my wife telling me about her day. I absorb the first 2 lines and then it becomes chocolate land thought bubbles.
Don't kid ya self your not capable of absorbing two lines.
Are we still talking about your posting?
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Blair Hartley discussing where Sonsie and Dow sit right now.
Go to 2:50 min mark: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1916195/hell-give-us-some-run-through-the-wing-and-the-half-back-hartley
"It's an unfortunate part of what we have to do. We have to keep spots open. So just through the next little bit while we're working through the pick swap window, we'll have to leave those spots on and that's where it sits with them [Sonsie & Dow] right now." - Blair Hartley
Anyone know how many players we have on our primary list and how many cat a and cat b rookies after trade period?
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Blair Hartley discussing where Sonsie and Dow sit right now.
Go to 2:50 min mark: https://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/1916195/hell-give-us-some-run-through-the-wing-and-the-half-back-hartley
"It's an unfortunate part of what we have to do. We have to keep spots open. So just through the next little bit while we're working through the pick swap window, we'll have to leave those spots on and that's where it sits with them [Sonsie & Dow] right now." - Blair Hartley
Anyone know how many players we have on our primary list and how many cat a and cat b rookies after trade period?
currently we have
34 on main list
4 on rookie list
1 on cat B list
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If that is the case then we have 4 max spots on the primary list left and 2 rookie spots left.
I’d imagine that means with 3-4 players coming in through the national draft (depending on whether a bid for kellaway comes before our last pick or not) that both Dow and Sonsie are going to be delisted.
Where the club wants to then rookie them in the preseason draft or not who knows.
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34 on main list
4 on rookie list
1 on cat B list
Which list have you included Seth Campbell in? The 34 or 4?
If he still is in your 4 then he will need to moved. Which will make it 35 and 3.
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34 on main list
4 on rookie list
1 on cat B list
Which list have you included Seth Campbell in? The 34 or 4?
If he still is in your 4 then he will need to moved. Which will make it 35 and 3.
If that's correct.
Perhaps we don't take Kellaway national draft?
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Just going based on the player list on the RFC website, this is what I’ve come up with. Is the website missing some players because I really thought we were closer to the max then what my count would suggest.
Primary List (33):
Vlastuin
Hopper
Prestia
Ross
Mansell
Miller
Ralphsmith
Taranto
Short
Smillie
Rioli
Gibcus
Lynch
Balta
Lalor
Clarke
Hotton
Nankervis
Faull
Mcauliffe
Alger
Brown
Trainor
Ryan
Armstrong
Broad
Fawcett
Sims
Banks
Campbell
Green
Smith
Retschko
Cat A Rookie List (3):
Trezise
Lefau
Gray
Cat B Rookie List (1):
Hayes-Brown
Uncontracted (2):
Dow
Sonsie
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My understanding is that although Miller was delisted in 2020 and then placed on the rookie list he was elevated back onto the senior list in 2023. And, to my knowledge, Seth Campbell is still on the rookie list. So your numbers are still correct. i.e. 34 on the senior list (including un-contracted Dow and Sonsie) plus four on the rookie A list (including Seth Campbell) and one on the rookie B list.
I think both Dow and Sonsie will be delisted leaving four senior list places and two rookie list places vacant. In the draft, use picks 3 & 4 on best available. If a bid comes in for Kellaway before 38 use it for him and if not, at pick 38 select best available (assuming it's not Kellaway). At this point trade pick 81 for last pick in the draft (just so we have something to match a bid on Kellaway post pick 38). If, subsequently, a bid comes in for Kellaway, use the late pick to match the bid but if no bids come for Kellaway use our last pick to elevate Seth Campbell making three places on our rookie list.
In the rookie draft, pick Kellaway at our first pick, find a VFL ruck (I think we are in loads of trouble if Nank goes down) and place Dow or Sonsie on the rookie list.
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If Dow and Sonsie are delisted that will leave us with 6 spots on the primary list and 2 rookie list spots. Let’s assume both of Miller and Campbell are either already on the primary list or will be elevated ahead of the new season, that leaves 5 spots on the primary list and 3 rookie list spots.
Then your presumably adding pick 3, pick 4, pick 38 and kellaway, leaving 1 spot to either leave open or retain Dow or Sonsie and then 3 rookie spots for the preseason draft / SSP period / midseason draft.
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Miller is on the primary list
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The maximum list size is 42 players on the primary and rookie A list plus up to two on the rookie B list. The minimum on the primary list is 36, the maximum is 38. To get to the maximum of 42 on the primary and rookie A list you can have (i) 36 on the primary list plus six rookie A's; (ii) 37 on the primary list plus five rookie A's; or (iii) 38 on the primary list plus four rookie A's. For some years now, Richmond has opted for 36 on the primary list plus six rookie A's. I can't see that changing in 2026. As of now we have 34 on the primary list (including un-contracted Dow and Sonsie) and four on the rookie A list which means, if we keep the 36/6 option we currently only have two places on the primary list and two on the rookie list. That's why I think we'll delist Dow and Sonsie to make room for four places on the primary list. That means we draft picks 3, 4, 38 and Kellaway or pick 3, 4, 38 and elevate Seth Campbell. If the former, we have two picks in the rookie draft; if the latter we have three pick in the rookie draft to pick up Kellaway there.
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Miller is on the primary list
Thanks WP. I’ve edited my above post to put miller under the primary list. Still not 100% on Campbell but given he extended until 2029 and you can only be on the rookie list for a max of 4 years, I would think he has been or will be elevated by the time lists are submitted to the afl ahead of the 2026 season.
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The maximum list size is 42 players on the primary and rookie A list plus up to two on the rookie B list. The minimum on the primary list is 36, the maximum is 38. To get to the maximum of 42 on the primary and rookie A list you can have (i) 36 on the primary list plus six rookie A's; (ii) 37 on the primary list plus five rookie A's; or (iii) 38 on the primary list plus four rookie A's. For some years now, Richmond has opted for 36 on the primary list plus six rookie A's. I can't see that changing in 2026. As of now we have 34 on the primary list (including un-contracted Dow and Sonsie) and four on the rookie A list which means, if we keep the 36/6 option we currently only have two places on the primary list and two on the rookie list. That's why I think we'll delist Dow and Sonsie to make room for four places on the primary list. That means we draft picks 3, 4, 38 and Kellaway or pick 3, 4, 38 and elevate Seth Campbell. If the former, we have two picks in the rookie draft; if the latter we have three pick in the rookie draft to pick up Kellaway there.
Yup! You’re right it’s 42 total btw primary and rookie A listed players - thanks for clarifying!
I do think right now our list is most likely 33-3-1 as posted above as I can’t imagine Campbell stayed on the rookie list after his 4 year extension.
Assuming that is the case, 99% sure Sonsie and Dow are being delisted. Maybe they are waiting until after draft night just incase we trade out some picks. Don’t really think it’s fair to those boys to be left hanging that long, would only give other clubs 1 day to consider them before the rookie draft.
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34 on main list
4 on rookie list
1 on cat B list
Which list have you included Seth Campbell in? The 34 or 4?
If he still is in your 4 then he will need to moved. Which will make it 35 and 3.
He is on the rookie until we promote him at list lodgement time so thats where he is on my list / numbers
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Just going based on the player list on the RFC website, this is what I’ve come up with. Is the website missing some players because I really thought we were closer to the max then what my count would suggest.
Primary List (33):
Vlastuin#
Hopper
Prestia#
Ross#
Mansell
Miller
Ralphsmith#
Taranto
Short#
Smillie
Rioli#
Gibcus
Lynch#
Balta
Lalor
Clarke
Hotton
Nankervis
Faull
Mcauliffe
Alger
Brown
Trainor
Ryan#
Armstrong
Broad#
Fawcett
Sims
Banks
Campbell
Green#
Smith
Retschko
Cat A Rookie List (3):
Trezise#
Lefau #
Gray
Cat B Rookie List (1):
Hayes-Brown#
Uncontracted (2):
Dow#
Sonsie#
# = goneski in coming seasons for sure. I have been kind there are others who may be gone as well but may salvage a career as well.
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34 on main list
4 on rookie list
1 on cat B list
Which list have you included Seth Campbell in? The 34 or 4?
If he still is in your 4 then he will need to moved. Which will make it 35 and 3.
He is on the rookie until we promote him at list lodgement time so thats where he is on my list / numbers
:thumbsup