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Football => View from the Outer => Topic started by: mightytiges on September 12, 2006, 04:00:04 PM
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Announced on SEN.
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Who coaches ? Mickey McGuane ::)
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"This is about a difference in ideology."
"I didn't see this coming"
"I don't accept it, agree with it, or believe it is right" - Grant Thomas
Saints only 3 years too late with their decision. Pagan or any decent coach would have won them a flag with a forward line of Gehrig, Riewoldt, Hamill, Kosi and Milne.
Who coaches ? Mickey McGuane ::)
Danny Frawley ;) :pray
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Thomas axed by Saints
September 12, 2006 12:00am
GRANT Thomas has been sacked by StKilda. The club made the announcement a few minutes ago.
Thomas leaves Moorabbin after five frustrating years in which his richly-talented team promised far more than it was able to deliver.
A clearly disappointed Thomas said he had hoped to coach the club in 2007.
Thomas was appointed caretaker coach in 2001, replacing Malcolm Blight.
He led the Saints to the pre-season cup in 2004 and despite a solid season, finished the home and away campaign in third place, narrowly losing the Preliminary final to Port Adelaide.
In 2005, they lost another Preliminary Final, this time to eventual Premiers Sydney.
The club made the announcement four days after the Saints' season ended with the Friday night elimination final loss to Melbourne.
Thomas played 72 games for the Saints from 1978-83 and another 11 for the Kangaroos and Fitzroy.
Assistant coaches John Longmire (Sydney), Mark Harvey (Fremantle) and current Saints assistant Matt Rendell are the early candidates to take over from Thomas.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20398742-661,00.html
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Damn shame :clapping
Glad Tezza is signed and stitched up for another couple of years :thumbsup
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They were never going to win a flag with Thomas as coach.
No they wont win a flag because Thomas isn't the coach - all the players will sook :rollin
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Thomas axed by Saints
September 12, 2006 12:00am
Article from: Herald-Sun
GRANT Thomas has been sacked as coach of St Kilda.
Thomas, who took the reins at Moorabbin from Malcolm Blight in 2001, was axed only four days after the Saints were eliminated from the finals race by Melbourne.
A board meeting today decided to give Thomas his marching orders, with a falling out with close mate and club president Rod Butterss at the heart of the decision.
In an awkward press conference at Moorabbin this afternoon, the pair sat side by side before a huge media throng.
Butterss said the club had accepted Thomas' resignation.
But Thomas saw it differently, citing the move as a "mutual agreement".
"I don't have to agree with it but I'm going to have to live with it," he said.
"I'm very disappointed, obviously, because you don't put your heart and soul into something and not be disappointed.
"Next to my family, St Kilda is the most important thing to me.
"I still think I can coach this club very, very well (but) changes happen.
"We need to move on."
Thomas is the club's second-longest serving coach behind Allan Jeans.
In six years under Thomas, the Saints finished have 15th, 15th, 11th, 3rd, 3rd and 6th.
He guided the long-suffering club to preliminary finals in 2004 and 2005.
The rumour mill hit full gear in the wake of the announcement, with media identity Garry Lyon and former Brisbane Lions assistant Daryn Creswell said to be possible replacements.
Cresswell quit the Lions last week after two seasons as an assistant to Leigh Matthews, citing a desire to move to Victoria to explore greater opportunities.
Assistant coaches John Longmire (Sydney), Mark Harvey (Fremantle) and current Saints deputy Matt Rendell are the other candidates to take over.
St Kilda fans remain split by the decision.
One school of thought had Thomas as a good player manager who was unlucky with injuries and didn't deserve to be sacked.
The other is that injuries were no excuse, with the Western Bulldogs and Adelaide still alive in the premiership race despite the unavailability of key players.
He had shown in recent years he was prepared to take risks with players whose fitness has been questionable.
Captain Luke Ball and star forward Aaron Hamill both took to the field under injury clouds this year.
There was also question marks over Thomas' strategic ability under pressure on match day.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20398742-661,00.html
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14 coaches in 30 years. No need to invest in long service leave.
Makes our record look ok. Then again, the Aints make all clubs records look good. Except they excel like no others can in wooden spoons.
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:pray :lol Spud coaching the Sainters :outtahere
For us Richmond supporters :thumbsup :clapping
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And how amazing it was for Buttress to put a postive slant on things and say that he was the second longest serving coach( 6 years) :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :blah :blah :blah
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And how amazing it was for Buttress to put a postive slant on things and say that he was the second longest serving coach( 6 years) :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :chuck :blah :blah :blah
That actually looks okay, the all spewing at once :lol
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And how amazing it was for Buttress to put a postive slant on things and say that he was the second longest serving coach( 6 years)
Just like us saying Spud was our longest serving coach in 30 years since Hafey. It doesn't mean they were any good ;).
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Former Richmond coach Danny Frawley, the longest serving captain in St Kilda's history, declined to comment.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,20401959-23211,00.html
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Wonder if Spida will end up going back to St. Kilda?
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I'm not sure if this is good or bad news. The new coach will come in with their own ideas and an old-timer like Pagan may not have the grasp on the modern running game to take them to a flag even with the tall timber they have. Then again, they could hire another Neil Craig and be invincible.
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After they beat us the first time I came on here and said they couldnt win the flag. Everyone thinks theyve got a super super list. I dont actually think thats correct.
They are slow in the midfield and some of there top midfielders are injury prone
There real leader Hammill is injury prone and basically stuffed
They get slaughtered in the rucks
They have alot of players ready to leave the game for which theyve taken no action to replace.
They need more than a new coach for mine.
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After they beat us the first time I came on here and said they couldnt win the flag. Everyone thinks theyve got a super super list. I dont actually think thats correct.
They are slow in the midfield and some of there top midfielders are injury prone
There real leader Hammill is injury prone and basically stuffed
They get slaughtered in the rucks
They have alot of players ready to leave the game for which theyve taken no action to replace.
They need more than a new coach for mine.
:clapping :clapping
Here here RT - I've been saying for ages the Saints list is over rated.
Thomas was never the man for the job but I don't think it matters who they get now they are't going to win a premiership in the next 3
This makes me very sad crap this makes me very HAPPY ;D :whistle :birthday :santa :cheers :bow :woohoo :woohoo :woohoo
Can't stand 'em
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After they beat us the first time I came on here and said they couldnt win the flag. Everyone thinks theyve got a super super list. I dont actually think thats correct.
They are slow in the midfield and some of there top midfielders are injury prone
There real leader Hammill is injury prone and basically stuffed
They get slaughtered in the rucks
They have alot of players ready to leave the game for which theyve taken no action to replace.
They need more than a new coach for mine.
Well said Ramps.
They had a super list or at least the makings of one but Thomas didn't build on it and did a Spud doing trades like Heath Black for Fiora :rollin. They basically have the same core of players they did 4-5 years ago but are worse off now - no Penny, Jones, Black with Gehrig, Hamill, Harvey, Thompson, Hudghton, etc on their last legs.
Conrnflakes, you might have had a better side than Richmond under Spud but that's hardly something to hang your hat on :wallywink.
The only thing I'm sad about with Thomas going is we won't have the chance to shove that "we are the better side" comment down his throat when the tide turns. We can still dish it out to those cocky Saint fans though who thought a flag was in the bag ... oops! ;D
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Mick Malthouse might replace him ;)
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Mick Malthouse might replace him ;)
Wouldn't surprise me. Ex-Saint plus he and Eddie McMisinformation don't seem to be flavour of the month.
A lot of pressure on whoever takes the job. If Thomas had a year to go on his contract and was given the kyber after making the finals for the past few years then anything less would have to be failure.
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Mick Malthouse might replace him ;)
Danny Frawley to the Pies then lol :pray
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If Lindsay Fox is still involved at the saints, you might find that Spud will have some role. along with Ken Sheldon ;)
Directors of Footy etc
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Growing up as a kid...I loved the week we'd play the saints. They were a rabble then and theyre a brothel now. It wont matter who coaches them, unless they fix there list they wont get the prize any time soon. Infact if they dont rectify the problems theyve got in the next 2 years, youll find clubs like ours and hawthorn will go past them in a hurry.
Thomas missed the boat on where the game was heading, and sadly a young kid like Ball was mismanaged- he'll be stuffed by the time hes 27-28.
Nevertheless Thomas sorted them out on a whole host of issues and for that they should be grateful. Weve had coaches who came to Punt Rd and left the place worse of than when they arrived. Atleast Thomas left the Sts better than what he found and for mine, thats actually a big part of analysing a persons work performance. Coaches, players, administrators...they all need to have that as a basic principle...lets leave the place better than what we found! End of Rant!
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Mick Malthouse might replace him ;)
Danny Frawley to the Pies then lol :pray
oh yes i like the sound of that :pray :clapping
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If Lindsay Fox is still involved at the saints, you might find that Spud will have some role. along with Ken Sheldon ;)
Directors of Footy etc
Sounds like Sheldon has been in the pipeline for a while to take on a footy director role but seriously they'd have to be mad to want Spud overseeing their footy department. Good for us though if it happens lol.
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Thomas missed the boat on where the game was heading, and sadly a young kid like Ball was mismanaged- he'll be stuffed by the time hes 27-28.
Nevertheless Thomas sorted them out on a whole host of issues and for that they should be grateful. Weve had coaches who came to Punt Rd and left the place worse of than when they arrived. Atleast Thomas left the Sts better than what he found and for mine, thats actually a big part of analysing a persons work performance. Coaches, players, administrators...they all need to have that as a basic principle...lets leave the place better than what we found! End of Rant!
Northey left us in better shape than when he arrived but as we found out it can quickly all disappear if the culture at the club is crook. As far as Thomas goes IMO yes they are better off than when he took over reigning wooden spooners but they are worse off than say this time 2 years ago.
The public spat by some of the players doesn't bode well for the Saints future if there is deepseated resentment towards the board and admin. A new coach especially one who is a debutant coming into that environment could easily be taking over a poison chalice.
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You'd think now their chances of a premiership are real :lol
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The public spat by some of the players doesn't bode well for the Saints future if there is deepseated resentment towards the board and admin. A new coach especially one who is a debutant coming into that environment could easily be taking over a poison chalice.
Argh yes my mate Nick Reiwoldt - sooking again. "We are hurt and we're angry" - Who cares - you are paid to play footy (very well I might add) concentrate on that
This is better than the circus going on down at Princess Park :rollin :rollin
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The public spat by some of the players doesn't bode well for the Saints future if there is deepseated resentment towards the board and admin. A new coach especially one who is a debutant coming into that environment could easily be taking over a poison chalice.
Argh yes my mate Nick Reiwoldt - sooking again. "We are hurt and we're angry" - Who cares - you are paid to play footy (very well I might add) concentrate on that
This is better than the circus going on down at Princess Park :rollin :rollin
It isn't us for a change so I'm absolutely loving it ;D ;D :lol
Suck s**t sainters! :wallywink
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It's all our fault lol.
The Saints board was also unimpressed by the club's failure to lure Troy Simmonds from Fremantle as part of the Heath Black trade two seasons ago. Thomas' team could not agree to terms with Simmonds and the Saints finished up with Aaron Fiora, while Richmond signed Simmonds to a controversial five-year deal.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/09/18/1158431645504.html
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It's all our fault lol.
The Saints board was also unimpressed by the club's failure to lure Troy Simmonds from Fremantle as part of the Heath Black trade two seasons ago. Thomas' team could not agree to terms with Simmonds and the Saints finished up with Aaron Fiora, while Richmond signed Simmonds to a controversial five-year deal.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/09/18/1158431645504.html
What are they whinging about, they got Aawon :lol
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It's all our fault lol.
The Saints board was also unimpressed by the club's failure to lure Troy Simmonds from Fremantle as part of the Heath Black trade two seasons ago. Thomas' team could not agree to terms with Simmonds and the Saints finished up with Aaron Fiora, while Richmond signed Simmonds to a controversial five-year deal.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/09/18/1158431645504.html
What are they whinging about, they got Aawon :lol
I still can't believe we pulled that trade off :rollin.
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It's all our fault lol.
The Saints board was also unimpressed by the club's failure to lure Troy Simmonds from Fremantle as part of the Heath Black trade two seasons ago. Thomas' team could not agree to terms with Simmonds and the Saints finished up with Aaron Fiora, while Richmond signed Simmonds to a controversial five-year deal.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/09/18/1158431645504.html
What are they whinging about, they got Aawon :lol
I still can't believe we pulled that trade off :rollin.
Maybe someone was pulling Thomas off? :whistle
Why else would anyone want Fiora?
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It's all our fault lol.
The Saints board was also unimpressed by the club's failure to lure Troy Simmonds from Fremantle as part of the Heath Black trade two seasons ago. Thomas' team could not agree to terms with Simmonds and the Saints finished up with Aaron Fiora, while Richmond signed Simmonds to a controversial five-year deal.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/09/18/1158431645504.html
What are they whinging about, they got Aawon :lol
I still can't believe we pulled that trade off :rollin.
Maybe someone was pulling Thomas off? :whistle
Why else would anyone want Fiora?
Ummmmmmmmmmmmm
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Geez Riewoldt looked a happy chappy at the Saints press conference today lol. He's taken over his old mentor's role as Mr Grumpy going by the Ch 10 news footage :rollin
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Seems the fall out from Grant Thomas' sacking is starting to boil at Moorabbin.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2007/01/11/1168105117737.html
As we know all too well off-field infighting eventually effects every level of a footy club.
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Hmmmm Imagine how we would feel if Frawley was offered a job on the board of AFG?? :scream :scream :help
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Writ submitted to Supreme Court. It's over a $1.14m loan Thomas received.
Butterss and Thomas after falling out in early 2004 didn't speak to each other personally for the last 3 years Thomas was coach :o.
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Here's the Herald-Sun article on Butterss/Thomas
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21669516%255E19742,00.html
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This club is the biggest group of losers of all time :thumbsup
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This club is the biggest group of losers of all time :thumbsup
:yep
Makes the stuff-ups that happen at Punt Rd look like nothing.
Getting more bitter by the day too. Butterss won't meet Thomas in private because he fears Thomas will punch his lights out yet Thomas says he wouldn't hit him because he knows Butterss can't fight. Both are acting like :wallywink.
Thomas could end up president if he gets the top gig at the Saints major sponsor Bill Express and then challenges Butterss.
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Got the boot from The Age after his comments on Caro! saying she wrote lies and innuendo as opposed to him writing the truth :rollin
:wallywink
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Hope he didn't get a loan from her while he was there.
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absolute gold :lol
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L-OOOOOO-S-E-R :rollin
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Scary part was Thomas was getting paid a $1000 :gobdrop (reported on Ch7) a week for writing his article
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Hope he didn't get a loan from her while he was there.
:lol :thatsgold
Thomas was half right. Caro often writes innuendo but she doesn't make stuff up herself. Blame her sources that feed her info especially when it comes to the RFC ::). As for Thomas telling the truth = :wallywink.
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Thomas to take Saints to court
Stephen Rielly | January 30, 2008
LIKE sands through the hourglass, so are the days of Moorabbin.
The saga that the sacking of Grant Thomas has become for St Kilda is now destined for the courts, with the former coach declining a third offer to settle his claim against the club for more than $270,000.
A three-day civil trial is set to begin in the County Court on May 14.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/thomas-to-take-saints-to-court/2008/01/29/1201369135194.html