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Football => View from the Outer => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 04, 2006, 02:39:53 AM
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Coaching axe looms for Denis Pagan
04 September 2006 Herald-Sun
Mike Sheahan
THE push for change at Carlton is gathering strength, with credible sources confidently tipping Barry Mitchell to replace Denis Pagan within weeks.
Pagan and Geelong's Mark Thompson both appear to have a tenuous hold on their jobs.
Full article at: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20347539%255E20322,00.html
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Coaching axe looms for Denis Pagan
04 September 2006 Herald-Sun
Mike Sheahan
THE push for change at Carlton is gathering strength, with credible sources confidently tipping Barry Mitchell to replace Denis Pagan within weeks.
Pagan and Geelong's Mark Thompson both appear to have a tenuous hold on their jobs.
Full article at: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20347539%255E20322,00.html
The Blues are broke and will receive charity from the AFL yet they want to pay out a $1.2m contract ::). They are the 21st century equivalent of us during the 80's - a totally basketcase.
I had a Carlton supporter ask me the score on the way home from the game on Saturday and he wanted Big Jack back lol. He was totally peeed off that Collo had moved them to the Dome. Not happy campers over there ;D.
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Just announced that Pagan is safe. I hate Carlton but they made the right decision.
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Just announced that Pagan is safe. I hate Carlton but they made the right decision.
As the cliche goes
With friends like the Carlton Board Denis Pagan doesn't need enemies
How foolish is Mitchell - and Gleeson for that matter - actually just make that the entire Carlton board.
What a rabble - it just warms my heart it really does :rollin
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LOL
No one could do any better with their list. The Blues are so much like we were it's scary. Pagan must really love now knowing his assistants are waiting to roll him. What a disgrace. I've got alot of time for Pagan via the old U19s. He went to Carlton to help out the club he barracked for as a kid and this is how they treat him. Yep WP a total rabble ;D.
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LOL
No one could do any better with their list. The Blues are so much like we were it's scary. Pagan must really love now knowing his assistants are waiting to roll him. What a disgrace. I've got alot of time for Pagan via the old U19s. He went to Carlton to help out the club he barracked for as a kid and this is how they treat him. Yep WP a total rabble ;D.
And loving every moment of it ;D ;D ;D
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LOL
The Blues are so much like we were it's scary.
I was thinking the same while listening to SEN on the way to work last night - really lolmorfl - whatever :thumbsup
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It just keeps getting worse for the poor old bluebaggers :lol. The Carlton president and board wanted Pagan gone but they wimped it. Now recent past players still want him gone. Basketcase Blues ;D.
Anyone passing a brown paper bag containing $600,000 under the desk? :rollin.
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Brown still in favour of Pagan exit
Stephen Rielly
September 8, 2006
FRASER Brown, the former Carlton premiership midfielder who was prepared to bankroll much of the million-dollar payout that would have been required to remove Denis Pagan as coach of the Blues, said yesterday the sacking still needed to take place.
Brown, neither committing to nor ruling out a board challenge to have Pagan's near dismissal on Tuesday night realised, also said that a consortium of former players remain behind Stephen Kernahan and Adrian Gleeson, the directors and former players who first recommended that Pagan be dismissed but who were, he says, ultimately betrayed.
After the Carlton board voted 7-3 on Monday night to remove Pagan, the coach was granted the last two years of his contract less than 24 hours later when, at a second meeting, a majority of directors opposed the appointment of assistant coach Barry Mitchell.
Brown said it was his understanding that if Mitchell had been appointed, four other former players — Brett Ratten, Peter Dean, Craig Bradley and Greg Williams — would have joined him as assistants in a coup designed to reclaim some of the identity many believe the club has lost in Pagan's time.
Brown said the first decision ought to have been kept with, even if the club did not want to appoint Mitchell, for it now condemns Carlton to what he says will be "two years of travelling in neutral, if not reverse".
"I'm not saying I'm a football expert. Kernahan and Gleeson are the blokes on the inside who know what's really going on. They came up with the decision (to remove Pagan) and I was supporting their judgement. I would back them any day, because I respect them and I respect their football credentials. The rest of the board's got no idea," Brown said.
More hilarity at: http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/09/07/1157222264618.html
and: http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/09/07/1157222264621.html
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"I'm not saying I'm a football expert. Kernahan and Gleeson are the blokes on the inside who know what's really going on. They came up with the decision (to remove Pagan) and I was supporting their judgement. I would back them any day, because I respect them and I respect their football credentials. The rest of the board's got no idea," Brown said.
Hmmm... Fraser would back 'em any day (Sticks & Gleeson) ....... well they decided to keep Pagan goose but you still want him (Pagan) sacked so in actual fact you cannot support Stick & Gleeson now can you? :rollin
As for the rest of the board having no idea -that's probably true but if Fraser was still playing and there was a paper bag on offer I'm sure Mr Multimillionaire would take it no questions asked :rollin :rollin
This is the best footy story going around - poor carlton and their now tragic existence :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
Certainly brings a tear to ones eyes :yep :nope :nope :nope :ROTFL :jump
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Hmmm... Fraser would back 'em any day (Sticks & Gleeson) ....... well they decided to keep Pagan goose but you still want him (Pagan) sacked so in actual fact you cannot support Stick & Gleeson now can you? :rollin
As for the rest of the board having no idea -that's probably true but if Fraser was still playing and there was a paper bag on offer I'm sure Mr Multimillionaire would take it no questions asked :rollin :rollin
That's what's so hilarious about all this. The Carlton board are taking advice from those who brought that club to its knees in the first place. Freaking idiots :stupid :rollin.
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Fraser Brown is now going to challenge Carlton's board. This is better than Days of our Lives ;D.
Carlton challenge
10 September 2006 Sunday Herald Sun
Ken Piesse and Scot Palmer
FORMER Carlton star Fraser Brown says he is considering taking part in a challenge to the Blues board at the upcoming elections.
Brown said yesterday the Blues board was a shambles and needed an immediate overhaul.
In more drama for the embattled Blues:
DENIS Pagan looked on yesterday as assistant coach Barry Mitchell, overlooked for the senior job this week, coached Northern Bullants to victory in the VFL finals.
FORMER captain Brett Ratten has put up his hand up for a return to the Blues in a coaching role next season.
CLUB vice-president Stephen Kernahan launched a stinging attack on several members of the media at the Blues' best and fairest night.
FORMER Blues onballer Daniel Harford said Mitchell had been hung out to dry by Carlton, and could fulfil Pagan's senior role "on his ear".
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20383502%255E19742,00.html
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CLUB vice-president Stephen Kernahan launched a stinging attack on several members of the media at the Blues' best and fairest night.
Saw this on After the Game. Kernahan got up and said Caro just makes things up, Jake Naihl (sp?) only wants Caro's job at the Age and Hutchy spends his time on front laws perving. Then he said "We're Carlton and eff the rest!". So much for losing that arrogant attitude that got them into a mess in the first place :wallywink.
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Threats of petitions and EGMs at the Blues too. We were trendsetters lol.
Fraser Brown plans Smorgon coup
22 September 2006 Herald-Sun
Jim Wilson and Damian Barrett
CARLTON president Graham Smorgon is under increasing pressure to step down before the Blues' December elections.
A group, which includes premiership player Fraser Brown, intends delivering Smorgon the ultimatum: resign or be hit with a no-confidence motion at an extraordinary general meeting.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,20454216%255E20322,00.html
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Ah Carlton - players leaving in droves, the coach under fire, the board flip flopping and under threat, a basket case admin, wooden spoons, etc .... Apart from that they're doing okay ;D.
Carlton 2000s = Richmond 1980s.
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Carlton 2003-2006 powerpoint slideshow ;D
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/carltonFC.pps
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Carlton 2003-2006 powerpoint slideshow ;D
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/images/other/carltonFC.pps
Priceless MT :cheers :invasion :jump :woohoo :ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL :jump :rollin
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Tickets please ;D
What a rabble :thumbsup.
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Where's Carlton getting all this money from for these development plans for Princes Park? ???
Carlton Unity, the proposed new ticket to head up the Carlton Football Club, has unveiled plans for a $106 million redevelopment of Princes Park, which will include the cost of construction ($80 million) and the value of the completed project.
"We will remove the Legends Stand - a very substantial part of the Legends Stand will come down - and then part of the Pratt Stand will come down and then you will see that we'll be able to view diagonally right across from the parkland."
"It is proposed that these new facilities will be fully accessible to the whole community.
http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=311914
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Blues: We're far worse than Fitzroy
30 January 2007 Herald-Sun
Mark Stevens
CARLTON is in a more perilous financial state than a dying Fitzroy and at risk of being merged or shipped off interstate.
That is the blunt assessment of the Blues' own finance director, Marcus Rose.
"Carlton's financial position is far worse than that of Fitzroy that was swallowed by Brisbane and sent interstate in the 1990s," Rose said.
"If the club does not make dramatic changes to improve its income generation, but continues to rely on the same things it has been doing, it runs the risk of either being amalgamated with another team or forced interstate by the AFL."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21139093%255E20322,00.html
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Fantastic! :thumbsup :lol
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The AFL should now step in and orchestrate a Merger between Carlton and North Melbourne. They can call themselves Carlton-North and have the Kangaroos as there emblem, based out of princess park. North are stuffed this is a chance for them to get a future in the game as for Carlton...well no one forced them to build stands etc. they should have purchased pubs and gaming establishments instead where you actually get a return for your money.
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Where's Carlton getting all this money from for these development plans for Princes Park? ???
They found couple of paper bags ;D
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The AFL should now step in and orchestrate a Merger between Carlton and North Melbourne. They can call themselves Carlton-North and have the Kangaroos as there emblem, based out of princess park. North are stuffed this is a chance for them to get a future in the game as for Carlton...well no one forced them to build stands etc. they should have purchased pubs and gaming establishments instead where you actually get a return for your money.
Not in Richmond's interests to create a Victorian super-club even if it's between dud sides like Carlton and North. A 40k member debt-free opposition Victorian club with Hansen at CHF fed by Murphy and Gibbs would cut into our market share both on and off field. That's why we voted against the Fitzroy-North merger in 1996. Better for us if they both relocate.
The NSW Blues based in Sydney has a nice ring to it :yep.
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I didnt think about that aspect, I believe Hansen will be a big chance of coming to us in 2 years.
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According to SEN, Graham Smorgan has been voted out in the Carlton board elections. The Blues now have a mixed board with 4 people from the opposing ticket getting in along with 6 current board members plus the two not up for election which includes Kernahan. Looks like more turmoil ahead for the bluebaggers lol.
Thank goodness we were decisive in ours.
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Richard Pratt just announced will be the new president of Carltoon
I preferred Kernahan - get bigger laughs out of him :wallywink
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Richard Pratt just announced will be the new president of Carltoon
I preferred Kernahan - get bigger laughs out of him :wallywink
Well at least they are going up market ;)
they wont have to use paper bags anymore for their "payments"
Richard can print them up some custom made cartons :thumbsup
;D
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Going by Ch 9 news the poor Bluebaggers just can't keep out of trouble :nope
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Whitnell and someone else - well done boys, great timing hahaha :clapping
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and Scotland allegedly at a Ballarat pub at 4am :wallywink
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Carlton have fined both Whitnall and Scotland along with Michael Jamison, Shaun Grigg, Kade Simpson and Brad Fisher who were also at the pub but left before the "incident" occurred.
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=314598
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Some clubs never learn ::)
BIG Jack is back at Carlton. John Elliott, the deposed former president, will chair a new coterie group on the request of new president Richard Pratt, a long-time friend.
Elliott again said the Blues should play four home games at Princes Park and move other home games from Telstra Dome to the MCG.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21222805%255E20322,00.html
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Billionaire idiot Pratt faces jail
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23892386-661,00.html
Norrie Ross
June 20, 2008 12:00am
EXCLUSIVE: BILLIONAIRE idiot Pratt faces up to four years' jail after being charged yesterday with lying about his knowledge of a price-fixing scandal.
The laying of criminal charges could force Mr Pratt to step down as president of Carlton Football Club.
The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission alleges the chief of cardboard manufacturer Visy gave false and misleading evidence before a commission hearing in 2005.
In a summons lodged in the Federal Court yesterday, the ACCC charges Mr Pratt with breaching the Trade Practices Act by denying knowledge of a plot to fix the price of cardboard boxes with Visy's rival, Amcor.
In evidence before the commission, Mr Pratt was asked by Peter Jopling, QC, if he had a conversation in the All Nations Hotel in Richmond on May 21, 2001, with Amcor's former chief executive officer, Russell Jones.
Mr Jopling said Mr Jones had told the commission they discussed the price-fixing arrangement and how it protected market share.
Mr Pratt replied: "He's lying."
Mr Jopling: "Why are you so adamant he is lying?"
Mr Pratt: "Because I would have recalled such a conversation and there never was one."
In another part of the cross-examination, Mr Jopling asked: "Do you have any independent knowledge of the existence of such an arrangement?"
Mr Pratt: "No."
Mr Pratt is facing four separate charges under Section 5 of the Act.
The penalty for each charge ranges from a fine of $2200 to 12 months' jail.
The charges will bring pressure on the AFL and its chief executive, Andrew Demetriou, over Mr Pratt's role as Carlton president.
Critics said the AFL should have ended Mr Pratt's tenure when Visy was fined $36 million in the Federal Court last year after admitting price-fixing with Amcor.
In April this year, Mr Demetriou said he had been guided by the Federal Court decision not to bar Mr Pratt from being a company director.
Under pressure over the scandal, the cardboard king challenged the AFL to set the record straight "once and for all".
"If they don't have a problem, let them be unequivocal about it, then put the matter to rest," he said.
Justice Peter Heerey found Visy and Amcor had carved up the $1.8 billion cardboard box market for almost five years.
The judge said the cartel would probably still be flourishing if it had not been accidentally exposed.
Mr Pratt had profited at the expense of every man, woman and child in Australia, the judge said.
The court heard executives of both companies organised secret meetings using phone boxes and pre-paid mobile phones before their activities were discovered.
Visy admitted colluding with Amcor, so each could retain its share of the market, and collaborating to increase their prices.
The companies agreed to price rises totalling nearly 20 per cent over four years.
They also agreed to submit deliberately high quotes when asked by their rival's customers to tender for a contract.
Visy's actions cost companies such as Coca-Cola, Cadbury, Gillette and Nestle millions of dollars.
Visy is facing the prospect of a $700 million class action from customers who paid too much for cardboard boxes.
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ACCC 'charges Pratt with price-fixing lies'
http://www.theage.com.au/national/accc-charges-pratt-with-pricefixing-lies-20080620-2tq6.html
June 20, 2008 - 6:09AM
Billionaire cardboard king Richard Pratt could face up to four years in jail after being charged with lying to the corporate watchdog over his knowledge of price fixing.
In a summons lodged with the Federal Court on Thursday, the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) alleged Mr Pratt, the head of cardboard manufacturer Visy, gave false and misleading evidence to an ACCC hearing in 2005, News Limited reports.on Friday.
It has charged Mr Pratt with breaching the Trade Practices Act by denying knowledge of a price-fixing deal with rival cardboard manufacturer Amcor.
The charges relate to an alleged conversation between Mr Pratt and former Amcor chief executive Russell Jones at a Richmond hotel in 2001, raised at the hearing, which Mr Pratt denied took place.
Mr Pratt faces four separate charges, with each attracting penalties ranging from a $2200 fine to 12 months' prison.
Mr Pratt and his Visy group of companies were fined $36 million in the Federal Court last year for colluding in a price-fixing deal with Amcor.
Justice Peter Heerey found Visy and Amcor had fixed the cardboard packaging market over five years, and that Mr Pratt had profited at the expense of every Australian from it.
Visy admitted colluding with Amcor.
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Billionaire idiot Pratt stands down at Carlton as he faces jail
Norrie Ross, Matthew Schulz
June 20, 2008 01:47pm
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23893784-661,00.html
FOOTY chief Andrew Demetriou has denied that idiot Pratt's dramatic resignation from Carlton has damaged the AFL's reputation.
Mr Demetriou said he supported Mr Pratt's move to stand aside, but denied he had played any part in the decision.
"I've spoken to Greg Swann and he's advised me that Mr Pratt has stood aside pending the investigation of the charges he will face," Mr Demetriou told reporters in Adelaide.
"It is an appropriate course of action, it is a very serious matter, but like any other Australian he is entitled to the presumption of innocence."
Mr Demetriou denied Mr Pratt's actions had brought the AFL into disrepute.
"He loves the Carlton Football Club and doesn't want to do anything that will harm the club," said the AFL CEO.
Mr Pratt stepped aside from the presidency of Carlton earlier today.
Carlton chief executive Greg Swann confirmed Mr Pratt's decision and said that Stephen Kernahan would replace him.
Mr Swann described the developments as ''disappointing'' but emphasised that Mr Pratt deserved a presumption of innocence.
He also denied that the develpment were embarrassing for the club which has endured several high-profile scandals in recent times.
When asked if Mr Pratt would return as president if the charges were dropped, he answered, “the answer is yes if it happens quickly.”
He then described Mr Pratt’s mood when he spoke to him this morning.
“He was obviously very disappointed with what had happened.”
Mr Pratt faces up to four years' jail after being charged yesterday with lying about his knowledge of a price-fixing scandal, an exclusive report in today's Herald Sun reveals.
But Mr Elliott, who was made bankrupt and banned for four years from company dealings with $9.2 million in debts while head of a rice-milling company, said Mr Pratt was innocent until proven guilty.
“I’ve already talked to the family this morning. But it’s a very difficult thing, but once you’re charged people think you’re guilty – that’s the problem. I had the same problem. It’s not a very nice thing hanging over your head, but you’ve just got to stand up and fight," Mr Elliott said.
"I think it's very vindicative act myself, it's typical of the tall poppy syndrome in this country. He's a fantastic man and so generous to the community."
The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission alleges the chief of cardboard manufacturer Visy gave false and misleading evidence before a commission hearing in 2005.
In a summons lodged in the Federal Court yesterday, the ACCC charges Mr Pratt with breaching the Trade Practices Act by denying knowledge of a plot to fix the price of cardboard boxes with Visy's rival, Amcor.
The ACCC released a statement today saying Mr Pratt's case would be set down for July 7, and said Mr Pratt had not entered a plea.
In evidence before the commission, Mr Pratt was asked by Peter Jopling, QC, if he had a conversation in the All Nations Hotel in Richmond on May 21, 2001, with Amcor's former chief executive officer, Russell Jones.
Mr Jopling said Mr Jones had told the commission they discussed the price-fixing arrangement and how it protected market share.
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"It is an appropriate course of action, it is a very serious matter, but like any other Australian he is entitled to the presumption of innocence."
Mr Demetriou denied Mr Pratt's actions had brought the AFL into disrepute.
"He loves the Carlton Football Club and doesn't want to do anything that will harm the club," said the AFL CEO.
Presumption of innocence for someone found guilty of price-fixing in the biggest corporate crime in Australian history. Good one Andy D :stupid.
Geez what stiff penalties they offer now ::). $8,800 is loose change for Pratt.
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"It is an appropriate course of action, it is a very serious matter, but like any other Australian he is entitled to the presumption of innocence."
Mr Demetriou denied Mr Pratt's actions had brought the AFL into disrepute.
"He loves the Carlton Football Club and doesn't want to do anything that will harm the club," said the AFL CEO.
Presumption of innocence for someone found guilty of price-fixing in the biggest corporate crime in Australian history. Good one Andy D :stupid.
Geez what stiff penalties they offer now ::). $8,800 is loose change for Pratt.
Shouldn't the same be said of Ben Cousins? Was not charged and has not been convicted. Double standards if you ask me.
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"It is an appropriate course of action, it is a very serious matter, but like any other Australian he is entitled to the presumption of innocence."
Mr Demetriou denied Mr Pratt's actions had brought the AFL into disrepute.
"He loves the Carlton Football Club and doesn't want to do anything that will harm the club," said the AFL CEO.
Presumption of innocence for someone found guilty of price-fixing in the biggest corporate crime in Australian history. Good one Andy D :stupid.
Geez what stiff penalties they offer now ::). $8,800 is loose change for Pratt.
Shouldn't the same be said of Ben Cousins? Was not charged and has not been convicted. Double standards if you ask me.
Andy D didn't use to work for Cousins :whistle
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Patrick Smith has let loose at Pratt, Carlton and the AFL in the Australian.
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Blues’ dark stain disappears
Patrick Smith
The Australian
June 21, 2008
RICHARD PRATT’s presidency at Carlton has been a dark stain on football since the moment he admitted last November to his substantial part in the Visy price-fixing scandal. The longer he stayed in charge of the club the more AFL football became increasingly tarnished and dirty.
And this in the 150th-year celebration of the birth of the indigenous game. Dark stain, darker moment. Not even a muted three cheers. The longer Pratt remained the more obvious it became that hardly anybody had the spine to tell the businessman his continued tenure was untenable.
As Pratt flaunted his position, the damage to the AFL name grew. It was apparent that the league would massage its principles according, not to what was appropriate or ethical, but what was convenient.
Standards were flexible, bend this way and that according to the size of the chequebook and bulk of the contact book.
Full article at:
http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/yoursay/index.php/theaustralian/comments/blues_dark_stain_disappears/